Can you accept being a loser in this world?

[flofrog]

That's so great Diana...

rinzler in that endless cycle of violence there's a ton of really nice quiet people who are not interested in a game of power, don't give up, as infinite says there are no losses

[Glow]

I’m not sure I have anything useful to ad but I feel like a winner.

The world is very confused and suffering. The collective couldn’t find happiness that lasts if they had to. Their map leads to self judgement, judgment of others, superficialities over depths, selfishness and fear over unity and and love.

That’s not the game I’m playing.
Move towards compassion and deep understanding if you want off that ride. All judgement comes from not knowing/understanding of self/other. We all suffer in life but the healed or healing can be compassionate to self and other and also drop the game.

Take each moment and seperate the worlds ideas from the truth of unity, and security of the infinite.

I have won because I can sit on my simple wooden stool and watch the birds and need nothing more in that moment. I have won because I can feel the warmth of a blanket and be grateful, eat food and feel lucky to taste and be nurished. Meet with people in the world and see their beauty through their scars and sometimes triggered behaviour.

If you feel like a loser maybe you are playing the wrong game.

There is no winning the worlds game. I work with very wealthy, often attractive to the extent modern plastic surgery and extreme luxury life can give them. I don’t see much true happiness, or completed healing in them. I see ever changing desires for more, insecurity and loneliness. The worlds way is not the way. Do your best to provide for yourself but the big win is the inner work.

Inner work makes the outer world work better. Love to you.

[Seb2466]

Let's be real here. You can not win in the physical world by acting in a way that resonates with higher densities. We know that's true for worldy things. Of course there are two kinds of winning. One is winning in this world and one is winning in the other. You can not tell me it is possible to have both. Even the disciples of Jesus constantly asked him how to turn the illusion in their favor. But to live in the illusion is not the right way. We are in this world but not of it. This seems rather  hard to accept. In fact probably the hardest to accept and I have had trouble doing that all my life.
This might be the hardest to accept. If we do not fight against those who rules us who stops them? I am aware of what Jesus said about handling occupation.
He said: "He advises his followers to overcome Roman oppression with creativity and kindness. If a Roman soldier conscripts you into carrying his bags, don’t just take them the legally required limit, carry them the extra mile."
This didn't work obviously. As you know, Rome eventually captured Jesus and crucified him . It seems that the executioners had a lot of vicious fun with him, as they mocked him with a crown of thorns, a robe, and a “coronation walk” where he was forced to carry the cross he would be crucified on.
And now look, Jesus teachings have been peverted and the Vatican/Jesuits are one of the most powerful organizations of the world(I mean that in a bad way).

Why bother? with anything. Nothing in this world matters. It might matter for the world after this one but not here. All you do here is fight against ebb and tide. An endless cycle of violence.

The only problem I seem to have with this is if you are with your family and friends.I can handle not having the gold of this world but can they? As the common saying goes pyrite is fools gold.
I'm not sure I'd be able to see people I love suffer because they refuse to take part in a corrupt system.I know we only have to be 51 % STO but you know in my opinion it's just as hard as being 95%. There's no point trying to live from your heart if you are willing trampling on others in order to get a comfortable life. We live with riches because we take from others. Don't try to sell me anything. This is the matrix we're talking about, not some fantasy.

Okay let's take an extreme example. Say you are in a post apocalyptic scenario and you and your family come across a bunch of thieves and worse....you know the only way to get trough this is to take your guns and use them in a lethal manner. It's a one way street. Either you do it or you get enslaved. What do you do?


25.5 Questioner: You spoke of an Orion Confederation and a battle being fought between the Confederation and the Orion Confederation. Is it possible to convey any concept of how this battle is fought?

Ra: I am Ra. Picture, if you will, your mind. Picture it then in total unity with all other minds of your society. You are then single-minded and that which is a weak electrical charge in your physical illusion is now an enormously powerful machine whereby thoughts may be projected as things.
In this endeavor the Orion group charges or attacks the Confederation arms with light. The result, a stand-off, as you would call it, both energies being somewhat depleted by this and needing to regroup; the negative depleted through failure to manipulate, the positive depleted through failure to accept that which is given.

25.6 Questioner: Could you amplify the meaning of what you said by “failure to accept that which is given?”

Ra: I am Ra. At the level of time/space at which this takes place in the form of what you may call thought-war, the most accepting and loving energy would be to so love those who wished to manipulate that those entities were surrounded, engulfed, and transformed by positive energies.
This, however, being a battle of equals, the Confederation is aware that it cannot, on equal footing, allow itself to be manipulated in order to remain purely positive, for then though pure it would not be of any consequence, having been placed by the so-called powers of darkness under the heel, as you may say.
It is thus that those who deal with this thought-war must be defensive rather than accepting in order to preserve their usefulness in service to others. Thusly, they cannot accept fully what the Orion Confederation wishes to give, that being enslavement. Thusly, some polarity is lost due to this friction and both sides, if you will, must then regroup.
It has not been fruitful for either side. The only consequence which has been helpful is a balancing of the energies available to this planet so that these energies have less necessity to be balanced in this space/time, thus lessening the chances of planetary annihilation.

Defending yourself in this world....what would that turn you into?

This might be an extreme example but you can apply it into all areas of life. As you can quickly see this isn't a way to live in this world. To be of service to others is to be a loser in the physical ascpects of life.  Or does being STO allow you to defend yourself everytime you are attacked?
Then you'd have to carefully pick your battles so that you may win them. This quickly goes into STS-thinking.
Buddha once said that if you are given a gift and do not accept it it goes back to the one who bought it for you. Similary you can repel attacks and insults.  Does that mean you should just let yourself get beaten down? I know you can control your emotional response but still. How could you allow your body to endure such suffering? It is just as much a part of you as is your soul.
Do any of you accept that like Jesus did? I doubt it.

I'm not sure if I'm capable of accepting that.

This line of thought i think is ridiculously important. Achieving polarity and simply trying to live in a state of peace on earth right now feels nearly impossible. We need some basic things to live, like food, water and shelter, but even attaining these using the monetary system warrants pollution, habitat destruction, and labour exploitation. On top of that, every cent you spend helps some capitalist get even richer, which further strengthens the grip of negativity on the planet. It's insane. Then, let's talk about the social schema. I'm in first year university and I can tell you for sure that if I wanted to completely avoid negative behaviour, I would be a hermit. We devour media, we relish over styles and aesthetics, we criticize ourselves, we criticize others, and we are devoting years of our life to the pursuit of money. University can hardly be seen as something of positive polarity, given that the sole purpose is to ensure that life is stable and I am able to afford the luxuries myself and my future wife and family may desire. And food! How to afford healthy, low impact food on a university student finance. I fill myself with plastics and toxins and have developed wonderful addictions to sugars, fats and carbs, due to the unavailability (and my unwillingness) to purchase high frequency foods that actually nourish. God forbid if i were to be attacked or robbed; would I fight, would I stand and take it? It's a lot. Thus, the difficulty in achieving 51% STO.

I don't have a solution, but I have considerations. There's no way around it, all these things are negatively oriented. However, this is the choosing density and not the density of knowing, and you're gonna make choices. I'd say my first consideration is why you should preserve yourself, or make decisions to create your comfort. Self preservation is inherently negative, but is also undeniably necessary to compound lessons in third density. A connoisseur knows wine and judges wine better than an amateur, in the same way a seasoned individual in third density with a developed mind complex will process lessons in a way that fits their developed theory of truth far better than a newborn child may (it is also important to note that there is a negative skew here as well, given that positivity would likely dictate the individual learn patiently and not worry about time crunch ideas like efficacy or efficiency). Regarding comfort, it may seem negative to sit and treat yourself to things such as movies, casual sex, social drinking, and the like, but there is observably a difference in one's interpretation of lessons when under stress, and when relaxed. If you happen to be accompanied by the loyal opposition, much damage can be sustained simply by feeling fear, stress, anger, frustration, dispair, etc. The opposition works upon these distortions as though they were chinks in the armour, jabbing the knife where they can. In this light, for self preservation, it becomes necessary to be comfortable and in an occasional state of peace (difficult with the awareness gained in seeking).

To get to the point, we can think of our positive polarity as our spiritual health. We are not perfect, and are not going to be perfectly positive, hence the requirement for 51% as opposed to 100%. It might be useful to think about the dance of negative and positive, and their energies within us. If you think back to any particularly positively polarizing experience of yours, you can almost certainly find subtle negativities that may have lead you to that circumstance. My faith is in the idea that if one sets their sights on the positive polarity, and truly seeks it and attempts to become it, then that is what will be. Keep in mind, this really really is a function of faith. I think we are all absolutely making negative decisions, and will continue to do so. I consider it a part of shadow work to acknowledge and accept this necessity, and to work through the feelings of frustration, confusion, and fear that are associated Ra clearly says one should not be afraid to choose, and should not be afraid to fail. So uh, that's my take. I'd love some feedback if someone's got it.

[flofrog]

Seb, welcome here...

just a small thing : "Self preservation is inherently negative," it is in fact not. Ra is the first one to ask us to first take care of us, otherwise we will not be able to polarize anyway... The issue is of course in a tough world to be able to do so, but I just wanted to say that it is not inherently negative but definitely our first responsablitiy, otherwise we won't be able to give love, or in case of the negative way, conquer others. We can look at it a different way as, we are privileged to have been given a body and incarnate, however difficult 3D is !! lol

And I truly think like you about faith and the focus on the positive polarity...

Again welcome here !

[Diana]

just a small thing :    "Self preservation is inherently negative,"  it is in fact not.  Ra is the first one to ask us to first take care of us, otherwise we will not be able to polarize anyway...  The issue is of course in a tough world to be able to do so, but I just wanted to say that it is not inherently negative but definitely our first responsablitiy, otherwise we won't be able to give love, or in case of the negative way, conquer others.  We can look at it a different way as,  we are privileged to have been given a body and incarnate, however difficult 3D is !!  lol

Yes.

Taking care of self is inherent in STO, because self IS an other, otherwise there is separation between self and others. And I also agree with flofrog in that our bodies are a gift to honor while we have them in order to be in this realty; additionally, the body is a collection of beings—others—in our care.

[Diana]

...
 So uh, that's my take. I'd love some feedback if someone's got it.

Just make decisions one by one—the best choices as they come. Stay focused on your path, mission in this life (if you don't know what that is, think about it and declare it with the understanding that it may evolve as you gain experience), and conscious choices, and that is what you can do here for yourself and the whole planet. If you are faced with a choice of two not-ideal things, choose the one less harmful to the best of your current knowledge and ability.

As Ra talks about, try not to get caught up in the maelstrom. I know how difficult that is given the state of things. Personally, I seek to balance the difficulty with a lot of time alone in my own environment where I can rejuvenate. I've worked at home most of my adult life so that is easy for me. But you can make your environment a sanctuary wherever you may be, if you have even a small private space.

And, let these things surface and these forums are a good place to discuss them.

[Seb2466]

Seb, welcome here...  

just a small thing :    "Self preservation is inherently negative,"  it is in fact not.  Ra is the first one to ask us to first take care of us, otherwise we will not be able to polarize anyway...  The issue is of course in a tough world to be able to do so, but I just wanted to say that it is not inherently negative but definitely our first responsablitiy, otherwise we won't be able to give love, or in case of the negative way, conquer others.  We can look at it a different way as,  we are privileged to have been given a body and incarnate, however difficult 3D is !!  lol

And I truly think like you about faith and the focus on the positive polarity...

Again welcome here !

That's definitely an important point that I sort of forgot about I suppose. The dilemmas that linger in my head concern how someone goes about caring for themselves and what to do in a situation where you are opposed physically by another self, be them negative in orientation or perhaps second density or undecided. Regarding self-care, I understand that it would be prudent to try and achieve this using methods that are as ecologically and socially friendly as possible, but what about situations of financial and locational restriction where say I might only have access to commercially produced foods, or clothes that were produced in a way that exploits labourers? I suppose there's the forgiveness and acknowledgement of what negativity is involved, but there is a consistent discomfort while the negatively procured goods are used. And in a lethal situation, there's always the choice of martyrdom, but is that the road that should be taken if one wishes to polarize positively? Ra does not comment on a positively polarized entity harming another self. The favourable decision would be to escape while doing as little harm as possible, but we do live on a vicious planet, and situations as such arise. If it's uncomfortable to answer of course don't bother, and it is hypothetical, but my mind has a difficulty with inconsistency, and I don't have an answer for this one. Martyrdom is the only response I've got, other than polarizing negatively. It's really uncomfortable, and I think most of us would avoid imagining ourselves in this situation as much as we possibly could, but I'd appreciate thoughts on this if anyone has em.

[flofrog]

Seb, welcome here...  

just a small thing :    "Self preservation is inherently negative,"  it is in fact not.  Ra is the first one to ask us to first take care of us, otherwise we will not be able to polarize anyway...  The issue is of course in a tough world to be able to do so, but I just wanted to say that it is not inherently negative but definitely our first responsablitiy, otherwise we won't be able to give love, or in case of the negative way, conquer others.  We can look at it a different way as,  we are privileged to have been given a body and incarnate, however difficult 3D is !!  lol

And I truly think like you about faith and the focus on the positive polarity...

Again welcome here !

That's definitely an important point that I sort of forgot about I suppose. The dilemmas that linger in my head concern how someone goes about caring for themselves and what to do in a situation where you are opposed physically by another self, be them negative in orientation or perhaps second density or undecided. Regarding self-care, I understand that it would be prudent to try and achieve this using methods that are as ecologically and socially friendly as possible, but what about situations of financial and locational restriction where say I might only have access to commercially produced foods, or clothes that were produced in a way that exploits labourers? I suppose there's the forgiveness and acknowledgement of what negativity is involved, but there is a consistent discomfort while the negatively procured goods are used. And in a lethal situation, there's always the choice of martyrdom, but is that the road that should be taken if one wishes to polarize positively? Ra does not comment on a positively polarized entity harming another self. The favourable decision would be to escape while doing as little harm as possible, but we do live on a vicious planet, and situations as such arise. If it's uncomfortable to answer of course don't bother, and it is hypothetical, but my mind has a difficulty with inconsistency, and I don't have an answer for this one. Martyrdom is the only response I've got, other than polarizing negatively. It's really uncomfortable, and I think most of us would avoid imagining ourselves in this situation as much as we possibly could, but I'd appreciate thoughts on this if anyone has em.

Seb there are interesting responses by Ra on martyrdom. Ra doesn't 'promote' martyrdom in the sense that it shortens your life, and then shortens the actions you might have while being still on Earth.

Perhaps, thinking outside of the Fact of viciousness of the world, we just then think, what does my heart tell, what does it lead me today to do ? And it may lead us then to feel, I am not going to be able to change this state of 3D negatively produced goods, right, not in one day, not by myself alone, right ? So then if I need to buy a tee shirt to replace one, I shall look around for perhaps something done by a responsible manufacturer, right, but I amy not find it, and I may end by buying a tee shirt that was not made the way I think it should be done. But if I buy this tee shirt, I may comfort a company I dont approve of, but somewhere there was a worker who made it, and that worker, somehow I support. I might even send that worker I shall never know, love and the visualisation that his/her life will get easier, better. And you never know or see the power of this one thought but I have a feeling this one thought changes much.

I have many other thoughts about this too as , like you, ponder about how to help a bit, even if in small way... pm me if you like

I think, taking the lead of your heart will never fail you, but it starts with small steps so we do not feel the pressure of not responding to a major large issue that feels so out of our reach.. you know it's the butterfly effect...

[Black Dragon]

I feel for you dude, I really do, and I'm honestly not that far from the place you are as far as confusion on a lot of issues. You are in a shitty place, but rather than laying your stuff on the table and then asking "now how do I move forward from here and get myself out of it", it is like you simply want to keep justifying all the things that keep you in that shitty place, and shooting down any help or perspectives that others share with you. For me, dwelling on all my own justifications for not changing just became and endless, solipsistic echo chamber, so my reasons for coming here were to get some fresh perspectives from others that challenged rather than reinforced my distortions.

Wouldn't you like to break free of your prison rather than continuing to reinforce the walls? You don't have to be a martyr to be STO. You don't have to get stepped on or give your time and energy away to STS people or institutions in order to be STO. Many have told you this, and you've found many more quotes yourself in the material that say the same thing, but you keep "beating the subject like a dead horse" for some reason. You can use discernment, and dare I say a healthy amount of separation(in some respects and on some levels) between yourself and these energies(be in the world but not of it so to speak) without resentment and hatred, or feeling you need to fight against them or some such (in the traditional sense of the term. there's ways to "fight the fight" and co-create events and situations in a way that's quite tricky and effective, and nothing to do with being pushed over. These are avenues I wish to study further myself.). Hating and dwelling on them so much actually empowers those things and strengthens the connections between those negative morphic fields and your own.

It's almost impossible to describe coming from a heart-centered, green ray perspective to somebody who hasn't experienced much or any major openings in that area(I don't know your full story, and whether or not this applies to you). I've had some of these green ray openings and experienced these states and perspectives before in my own life, but in a rather inconsistent manner and was unable to sustain or hold this perspective very consistently or through what most would call the dark night phase, where the shadow side begins to surface the strongest(in which I still find myself). There's a really simple and common factor that makes sustaining that state(and even getting there at all) a lot more difficult, and that's problems in the lower triad of energy centers. Most if not all of the concerns you seem so focused on stem from these centers(as do a number of my own issues, though not all of them). This is generally where I intend to start looking/working. Maybe this is where you might want to start as well(just a friendly suggestion, you are ultimately your own authority).

[888]

Consider this and see if it resonates with you.

You have up to 49% of thoughts and actions available to serve yourself.

This isn't a call to become completely selfish, it's acknowledging that you have room to advocate for your own well-being and possibly make 'mistakes' in doing so (although apparently, "There are no mistakes").

Spend daily time in silent meditation. If you end up inadvertently harming someone or something while trying to take care of yourself, seek to vibrate in harmony and allow your intuition (higher self) to guide you to the road where you can balance as much as possible.

I see the percentages as more of guideposts than hard guidelines. Ra said the only true requirement to be harvested for 4D positive is an evenly balanced violet chakra. Maybe you'll cause some apparent imbalances in the outer illusion while working on your lower 3 energy centers, finding your self esteem, and so on. That's ok, because there are no mistakes. Keep meditating and let it lead you to balance and fix these things, and learn.

This line of thought might be slightly controversial, and I'm aware it can be a slippery slope. But sometimes people have perceptions of being positive as being a doormat, and I think it's important to recognize that's not always the case. The paths of martyrdom and asceticism aren't for every positive entity. You don't have to give up on every little worldly thing (which is still part of The Creator). Just take a balanced approach to it and develop the discipline to not overindulge.

Positivity permits the free will of all, including yourself. If deep down you believe something is 100% necessary, having examined it in meditation, pursue it, even if it seems transient or superficial. It's still of The Creator. If it turns out it wasn't necessary in the way you had believed, you'll learn something important from it.

This is just my stance on it, and I might be incorrect. I'm still sorting this out myself.

[AnthroHeart]

Consider this and see if it resonates with you.

You have up to 49% of thoughts and actions available to serve yourself.

This isn't a call to become completely selfish, it's acknowledging that you have room to advocate for your own well-being and possibly make 'mistakes' in doing so (although apparently, "There are no mistakes").

Spend daily time in silent meditation. If you end up inadvertently harming someone or something while trying to take care of yourself, seek to vibrate in harmony and allow your intuition (higher self) to guide you to the road where you can balance as much as possible.

I see the percentages as more of guideposts than hard guidelines. Ra said the only true requirement to be harvested for 4D positive is an evenly balanced violet chakra. Maybe you'll cause some apparent imbalances in the outer illusion while working on your lower 3 energy centers, finding your self esteem, and so on. That's ok, because there are no mistakes. Keep meditating and let it lead you to balance and fix these things, and learn.

This line of thought might be slightly controversial, and I'm aware it can be a slippery slope. But sometimes people have perceptions of being positive as being a doormat, and I think it's important to recognize that's not always the case. The paths of martyrdom and asceticism aren't for every positive entity. You don't have to give up on every little worldly thing (which is still part of The Creator). Just take a balanced approach to it and develop the discipline to not overindulge.

Positivity permits the free will of all, including yourself. If deep down you believe something is 100% necessary, having examined it in meditation, pursue it, even if it seems transient or superficial. It's still of The Creator. If it turns out it wasn't necessary in the way you had believed, you'll learn something important from it.

This is just my stance on it, and I might be incorrect. I'm still sorting this out myself.

I believe it's the heart that needs balanced rather than violet ray for harvest.
And I don't believe meditation is selfish. When you change, it changes others
by radiating more Light and Love.

Check out my very first post: Is meditation a STS act?

[888]

I believe it's the heart that needs balanced rather than violet ray for harvest.
And I don't believe meditation is selfish. When you change, it changes others
by radiating more Light and Love.

Check out my very first post: Is meditation a STS act?

Yes, the heart and all the other energy centers require balancing for harvest, the violet ray being the combined total of all the energy centers. Ra has some other quotes on this clarify it, but for brevity's sake I'll post two.

(14.14)Ra: ...the heart of self... which resides clearly in the violet-ray energy field will determine the harvesting of each mind/body/spirit complex.

(41.19) Ra: I am Ra. Each energy center has a wide range of rotational speed or as you may see it more clearly in relation to color, brilliance. The more strongly the will of the entity concentrates upon and refines or purifies each energy center, the more brilliant or rotationally active each energy center will be. It is not necessary for the energy centers to be activated in order in the case of the self-aware entity. Thusly entities may have extremely brilliant energy centers while being quite unbalanced in their violet-ray aspect due to lack of attention paid to the totality of experience of the entity.
The key to balance may then be seen in the unstudied, spontaneous, and honest response of entities toward experiences, thus using experience to the utmost, then applying the balancing exercises and achieving the proper attitude for the most purified spectrum of energy center manifestation in violet ray. This is why the brilliance or rotational speed of the energy centers is not considered above the balanced aspect or violet-ray manifestation of an entity in regarding harvestability; for those entities which are unbalanced, especially as to the primary rays, will not be capable of sustaining the impact of the love and light of intelligent infinity to the extent necessary for harvest.

And I didn't mean that meditation was a service to self act. My post was meant to convey that it's okay to be 'selfish' sometimes, as long as we're making a thorough effort to balance and alleviate it. We have all the light and dark in us, and we're here to balance them rather than completely repress the negativity that is also a part of us. There's no need to try to strain ourselves to be perfect when all is already perfect, even in its apparent imperfection. We just need to refine ourselves while wading through the illusion of time.

[Navaratna]

when I saw the title of this thread I literally just laughed aloud and like couldn't fall asleep because of how f****** funny the idea mentioned here is just from the title. and it made me think of this video I watched because there's some very deep spiritual Concepts that this man developed over decades and decades at the association for research and Enlightenment. it's funny to me because they talk about what you're discussing and part of the conversation goes along the lines of books that have been written about the Power of now or the present moment. But then they say how about the tomorrow or the power of holding off something until tomorrow or next year. it made me think of how in sahaja yoga a very pure spiritualist movement that is all about Kundalini meditations..doesn't want their members to dwell upon their past lives because the logic is very simple, that's in the past why does it matter. so here you have these ideas and I think about how people I know would give a flying s*** about what I did two and a half days ago so why does it matter or why would anybody at all care about who I was 200 years ago. or maybe the day after tomorrow I could be better than I was 200 years ago it's funny https://youtu.be/BFYP4xeYy9Q because I've gone through thinking like this. I can think back to the times when I was younger people didn't understand me and people would always just look at me and say "what the f*** is the point of you having the kind of knowledge that you are seeking if you can't do anything with it". I think that's a very simple-minded way to think because that's saying that a humans value is measured by the objects that they own instead of Their Own mental well-being. I think we are more than just this contest of who has more objects than whoever else. just because somebody is wealthier than you doesn't mean that they're better than you. I think our society looks at wealthy people like they're demigods when they're just people. Or any tribe. They're just people so f****** what that's the conclusion I've reached I mean I really don't care where anybody's from theyre just as much of a person as me. if they're in some secret society and they want money to join then I have to question why are they so needy? I think simple minded people have this idea that their wealth makes them Superior to other people. I can think of homeless people and I think of how few of them would actually be homeless if they just had money. I don't care about what anybody says about mental health because if you ask me there would be probably like 1% as many homeless people if each of them were just given a ton of money. Then suddenly in the eyes of everybody we'd have cured mental illness because those people wouldn't be visible on the street anymore. I can see how maybe some people wouldn't like my attitude but at the end of the day whether or not I'm a loser or the most successful person on Earth I'm still just as human as either classification

[dexter101]

I believe it's the heart that needs balanced rather than violet ray for harvest.
And I don't believe meditation is selfish. When you change, it changes others
by radiating more Light and Love.

Check out my very first post: Is meditation a STS act?

Yes, the heart and all the other energy centers require balancing for harvest, the violet ray being the combined total of all the energy centers. Ra has some other quotes on this clarify it, but for brevity's sake I'll post two.

(14.14)Ra: ...the heart of self... which resides clearly in the violet-ray energy field will determine the harvesting of each mind/body/spirit complex.

(41.19) Ra: I am Ra. Each energy center has a wide range of rotational speed or as you may see it more clearly in relation to color, brilliance. The more strongly the will of the entity concentrates upon and refines or purifies each energy center, the more brilliant or rotationally active each energy center will be. It is not necessary for the energy centers to be activated in order in the case of the self-aware entity. Thusly entities may have extremely brilliant energy centers while being quite unbalanced in their violet-ray aspect due to lack of attention paid to the totality of experience of the entity.
The key to balance may then be seen in the unstudied, spontaneous, and honest response of entities toward experiences, thus using experience to the utmost, then applying the balancing exercises and achieving the proper attitude for the most purified spectrum of energy center manifestation in violet ray. This is why the brilliance or rotational speed of the energy centers is not considered above the balanced aspect or violet-ray manifestation of an entity in regarding harvestability; for those entities which are unbalanced, especially as to the primary rays, will not be capable of sustaining the impact of the love and light of intelligent infinity to the extent necessary for harvest.

And I didn't mean that meditation was a service to self act. My post was meant to convey that it's okay to be 'selfish' sometimes, as long as we're making a thorough effort to balance and alleviate it. We have all the light and dark in us, and we're here to balance them rather than completely repress the negativity that is also a part of us. There's no need to try to strain ourselves to be perfect when all is already perfect, even in its apparent imperfection. We just need to refine ourselves while wading through the illusion of time.

hmmm seems like you have given up on the positive path...if i compare this posts to your recent ones. i can understand why. :/ it really seems like these posts from OP struck a nerve with a lot of people. i wonder why....

[J.W.]

rinzler, 3 things I am going to leave here for you, it's your choice to pick them up or not.

1. Seek psychological therapy, don't be ashamed for seeking help. There is something deeply seeded in you and I don't know if that is STS doing, or yourself. But first step is seeking help. (This is for your Mind Complex)

2. Exercise and work out, your energy, it feels distorted from a physical level... are you a smoker? drinker? Give your body complex what it needs. I can almost feel like it is begging you to. (This is for your Body Complex)

3. Meditate, that is all. Reach out to your higher self. (This is for your spiritual complex)

For everyone that participated, be careful, this post has a lot of loathing in it, not that rinzler is aware of what he is doing, but as some members pointed out, a lot of things he/she said has an immediate "defeated" or "permanent" outlook, and something just doesn't "feel" right here.

On the surface... this post comes off as that we are trying to help out a fellow soul, but beneath it reeks something....

Last but not least, this has nothing to do with you rinzler, I understand you are struggling, but the responsibilities of others for your own choices and your mentality can only goes so far. You need to, and you will take the reins at some point in your incarnations.

I highly suggest that everyone that got involv should do a meditational cleansing, and a physical Lavender and salt bath/shower. From reading a few posts, some of you guys shook your own vibrational frequencies and heart at this. Just be careful. (I care about you guys, but it's your choice)

I am going to do a quick meditation for this post on top of this, I pray for you rinzler and pray for the goodness of the light, and the infinite creator to keep us true and to let the love flows through you all and I.

As always, with love, and with the light of the creator.

[Patrick]

 
Interesting take.  Being a loser.  I saw it as accepting to be just weird or even crazy to most people.  And yes ok maybe even a loser from the point of view of some others.

So YES I can accept being a loser! 

Especially if the rules of the game were somehow inverted.   Because from my point of view, it's the world that is crazy.  Because it accepted the rules to win given by STS, which are completely the reverse of the real rules to actually win this game...

[Patrick]

...I highly suggest that everyone that got involv should do a meditational cleansing, and a physical Lavender and salt bath/shower...

I've already got to cleanse everyday from doing spiritual work with others on forums like this one.  It brings so many influences within our sphere of influence.

[flofrog]

 
Interesting take.  Being a loser.  I saw it as accepting to be just weird or even crazy to most people.  And yes ok maybe even a loser from the point of view of some others.

So YES I can accept being a loser! 

Especially if the rules of the game were somehow inverted.   Because from my point of view, it's the world that is crazy.  Because it accepted the rules to win given by STS, which are completely the reverse of the real rules to actually win this game...

Lol. Patrick, yes, but what a catalyst ..

[Cainite]

Among followers of Yeshoa, only st john was not martyred. he had mastered his fate
The others had chosen martyrdom preincarnatively, or fate itself had chosen it for them
Seeing that it's the most appropriate path onwards on their path to maturity. that would make
them harvastable very quickly. also their inner desire for kingdom of heaven must have been greater than their desire for material comfort, etc
they could also take another path.. master the fate the way john had done. but they weren't ready for that according to their own judgement too probably

I'm not saying that the other paths beside martyrdom of 4d are easier. so sometimes a person who has mastered the illusion chooses difficult things to go through, not usually because of their own growth, but to help. doing their particular mission may have bad consequences for them. they are still allowed to drop the mission or to nobly carry it out. knowing what's to come.

Yeshoa himself had the ability to not be harmed at all as john did.
But yeshoa had chosen and crafted that outcome to make a prophecy come true. step by step he played the role in the prophecy.

[Ymarsakar]

Rin wrote this in march 12 th 2020. That was near the height of fear as world tilted towards sts dark matrix. Rin also asked for aid in the healing forums.

Evolving dragon, because his energy triggered what you disliked about yourself when you first came here, this was the weakness exploited. By reacting, you fed orion during the 2020 take over. They were starving for energy power to manifest a cabal timeline.

You soon realized this because you regained root access to mind heart.

All these shifts had to be neutralized with the group meditations in april. Otherwise we really would have entered a timeline where millions or billions died and cabal took over.

This is why spiritual power tests humans to see if they are worthy.

But everyone is tested same time but at different levels.

The more and more tests you fail for your chosen polarity, the farther back in the q you get. Seniority of vibration so to speak. These tests get harder the more you pass initiations.

As for me on a personal note, i feek back then as now.

Cabal will not win. Compassion is more important than winning via dark matrix rules. I am not playing to win. I am here to burn it down, even the veil itself. Thus when people as in march were freaking out, i felt no need to argue or fight. I merely told them world was not ending.

They merely have to survive to 2021

[houtje]

Rin wrote this in march 12 th 2020. That was near the height of fear as world tilted towards sts dark matrix. Rin also asked for aid in the healing forums.

Evolving dragon, because his energy triggered what you disliked about yourself when you first came here, this was the weakness exploited. By reacting, you fed orion during the 2020 take over. They were starving for energy power to manifest a cabal timeline.

You soon realized this because you regained root access to mind heart.

All these shifts had to be neutralized with the group meditations in april. Otherwise we really would have entered a timeline where millions or billions died and cabal took over.

This is why spiritual power tests humans to see if they are worthy.

But everyone is tested same time but at different levels.

The more and more tests you fail for your chosen polarity, the farther back in the q you get. Seniority of vibration so to speak. These tests get harder the more you pass initiations.

As for me on a personal note, i feek back then as now.

Cabal will not win. Compassion is more important than winning via dark matrix rules. I am not playing to win. I am here to burn it down, even the veil itself. Thus when people as in march were freaking out, i felt no need to argue or fight. I merely told them world was not ending.

They merely have to survive to 2021

Yeah I think I'm starting to realise this. I'm often contemplating if I should speak up if I see someone else doing something sketchy. There is no right thing, but for me it is becoming increasingly important to keep my mouth shut. And if I would decide to say something, it would have to be the gentlest of actions; barely noticeable.

If I go off on someone, I feel depleted afterwards. And all I'm doing is judging other-self. Which is not forgiveness.

I guess I should only speak if asked for, specifically. And I'm talking for me, not you or anyone. Just wanted to share the insight/hunch, dunno why.

Then again; I'm not sure. If I'm honest and I see some really messed up ideas/rhetoric/doctrine/behaviour, I have this burning inside of me and I want to fight! But I also really don't because I don't want to hurt anyone. But daaaaaaamn, I get so angry... but angry while I'm frantically laughing. I cannot, for the life of me seem to understand what this feeling is.

It's like.... something inside me just wants to kick those people's (often "spiritual" people) asses. Exactly the same energy as RisingPhoenix.

I don't get ANYTHING out of it. It costs me time and energy. It depletes me. And yet, If I hold it in, it feels like I'm ignoring something vitally important.

Jesus man... I don't want be the warrior. But I HAVE to be the warrior. This paradox! It's killing me with laughter, I swear to God, I'm gonna die laughing!

[BrotherInWaiting]

Time for you all to act. Stop wringing your hands — now. Now is it. Do something!

A serpent coils itsef around your throat and slithers into your ear: “Never let your anger do anything but simmer, forever. Anger could NEVER be good for the others at all...”

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[Ohr Ein Sof]

rinzler, 3 things I am going to leave here for you, it's your choice to pick them up or not.

1. Seek psychological therapy, don't be ashamed for seeking help. There is something deeply seeded in you and I don't know if that is STS doing, or yourself. But first step is seeking help. (This is for your Mind Complex)

2. Exercise and work out, your energy, it feels distorted from a physical level... are you a smoker? drinker? Give your body complex what it needs. I can almost feel like it is begging you to. (This is for your Body Complex)

3. Meditate, that is all. Reach out to your higher self. (This is for your spiritual complex)

For everyone that participated, be careful, this post has a lot of loathing in it, not that rinzler is aware of what he is doing, but as some members pointed out, a lot of things he/she said has an immediate "defeated" or "permanent" outlook, and something just doesn't "feel" right here.

On the surface... this post comes off as that we are trying to help out a fellow soul, but beneath it reeks something....

Last but not least, this has nothing to do with you rinzler, I understand you are struggling, but the responsibilities of others for your own choices and your mentality can only goes so far. You need to, and you will take the reins at some point in your incarnations.

I highly suggest that everyone that got involv should do a meditational cleansing, and a physical Lavender and salt bath/shower. From reading a few posts, some of you guys shook your own vibrational frequencies and heart at this. Just be careful. (I care about you guys, but it's your choice)

I am going to do a quick meditation for this post on top of this, I pray for you rinzler and pray for the goodness of the light, and the infinite creator to keep us true and to let the love flows through you all and I.

As always, with love, and with the light of the creator.

Although I can appreciate this easy 1,2,3 step list I find that in the case of some it is not that easy, yet, with others it is. We do not always have to offer advice. We can simply understand, or like what you said, at the end of your comment, offer a prayer of Love and send the individual Light. Most of the time, the list that worked so well for us does not even apply to another MBS because of their unique distortions and possibly their own lack of understanding of what is happening within them, to them or their environment. We have never lived as them, as they do.
This individual is completely within their free will to loathe themselves and others if they so wish even though we may love them and love the pieces out of others.

[jafar]

25.5 Questioner: You spoke of an Orion Confederation and a battle being fought between the Confederation and the Orion Confederation. Is it possible to convey any concept of how this battle is fought?

Ra: I am Ra. Picture, if you will, your mind. Picture it then in total unity with all other minds of your society. You are then single-minded and that which is a weak electrical charge in your physical illusion is now an enormously powerful machine whereby thoughts may be projected as things.
In this endeavor the Orion group charges or attacks the Confederation arms with light. The result, a stand-off, as you would call it, both energies being somewhat depleted by this and needing to regroup; the negative depleted through failure to manipulate, the positive depleted through failure to accept that which is given.

25.6 Questioner: Could you amplify the meaning of what you said by “failure to accept that which is given?”

Ra: I am Ra. At the level of time/space at which this takes place in the form of what you may call thought-war, the most accepting and loving energy would be to so love those who wished to manipulate that those entities were surrounded, engulfed, and transformed by positive energies.

Thank you for pointing this segment.. I haven't read this before..
But yes.. it concur with my own personal experience...
The 'negs', at least the 'lower rank' or the 'noobs' can be transformed to positive.
Many of them felt somehow being 'trapped' inside the structure, trapped by fear.

The 'higher' the rank of the negs, the 'scarier' their presence is, the stronger the 'fear/hate' energy and sometimes makes it more difficult to 'accept' them. In response we resorted to 'fight back' (thus emitting hate / fear / anger energy ourselves), which is actually their objective.
It's difficult to love the 'unlovable'.

Defending yourself in this world....what would that turn you into?

Fighting back, through intention of dominating / destruction, by sending hate / fear / anger energy ourselves will turn us closer into 'Negs frequency'..

STSes and STOs are basically the same consciousness, the same 'raw material', just like the negs can be transformed to positive so does the positives can be transformed to become the negs.

This might be an extreme example but you can apply it into all areas of life. As you can quickly see this isn't a way to live in this world. To be of service to others is to be a loser in the physical ascpects of life.  

Yes, from STS perspective the STOs are weak and loser.
That's why I often named STS path as the winner path, the victorious path or the glorious path.
In order to win there need to be a 'loser', only possible within the mindset of separation.

STOs supposed to be to do not have any win or lose mentality, as by viewing the other selves as my own self (Unity), there is no foundational framework where 'win and lose' mentality can stand upon. If they win, I also win, if they lose I also lose. That's why 100% STOs is a rarity, and that's why as mentioned by Ra even 51% of STO's characteristics is enough to graduate to 4th density STOs, that mean he/she still have 49% of STS characteristics.

Or does being STO allow you to defend yourself everytime you are attacked?

It's not about 'allowed' or 'not allowed', it's about your own choosing.. to which path that you gravitate yourself upon.
Allowed and not allowed is STS mindset, if you do something that is 'not allowed' (by your master / authority) then you will be punished!!

Buddha once said that if you are given a gift and do not accept it it goes back to the one who bought it for you.

I agree...

There's a Zen story about a warlord who attack and raid a village, once he and his band arrived at the village he found that the village is already empty, all the populace has run away for safety. He and his band can then easily loot anything that they wishes from the village.
Until one of his man report back about a presence of a monk within the temple, who did not run away and sit still in meditation posture.
Enraged, the warlord come to the temple and approached the monk, draw his sword pointing it at the monk's head and said:

Warlord: You stupid monk! Why you don't run away like everybody else, don't you know who I am??? I can easily split you in half!
Monk: And don't you know who I am?? I can easily split MYSELF in half.

I'm not sure if I'm capable of accepting that.

Just take the option that is natural for you..
STS or STO, the path of victory or the path of losers in the end shall arrived at the same destination.

[Sacred Fool]

  
What is actually won by the winners?  What are we fighting for, exactly?  Please remind me.


Below is one view of this.  If you make it to the end of the excerpt, you'll see that the path forward for some is the way of the heart.  Why would that be, I wonder?

Tonight we desire to share with you a tale of two cities, so to speak. The first was a city of no great size, possessed of no great abilities, neither powerful in war nor in learning, yet a place of calm and of repose for the soul. For it was the nature of these people to seek that which cannot be acquired upon the physical plane. The other city, in contrast, was composed of individuals, of people who sought and fought, who pursued their ambitions, people who attempted much and accomplished less, for in truth, their conflicts interrupted the efforts of each to acquire that which he sought or to gain that which he pursued.

At the time in which these cities existed, for this was within the realm of the physical plane and time was faithfully observed, a struggle arose between those who occupied the city of seekers of the physical realm. For in finding themselves unable to subdue one another, they turned their vision outward and began to plan, to make alliances and truces and treaties so as to turn their energies to the conquest of the city of those who sought within the spiritual realm.

The day came; the banners were unfurled; the marchers went forward; the troops were formed for the assault, and in great excitement they stormed that city, only to find that this city was unoccupied. The treasures they sought were present but seemed somehow tarnished in that no struggle occurred, no fear was sparked, no cowardice displayed, only the treasures of the physical world remained behind in this strangely abandoned city. In their dismay, they scouted throughout the area, attempting to find any of the former occupants of the city that they might question them or perhaps abuse them in some manner so as to make this conquest somehow more appropriate or enjoyable. Yet they found no one.

Finally, they began to argue among themselves. The arguing became more bitter, more angry, and the anger sparked the violence which had been delayed too long. And so they fought and, for the most part, slew one another with pleasure, with satisfaction, and those who remained after the battle, loaded what treasure they could remove from their fallen enemies, their former allies, and returned to their homes.

And, my brothers, each in the story was able to achieve that which he had sought. For those who followed this path of taking and of violence managed to attain the violence which they had sought and to take, each from another in satisfaction. Those of the abandoned city also found fulfillment, for they were able, as was their wont, to peacefully offer what gifts, what possessions they possessed, to their brothers of the more violent city by simply leaving behind that which they themselves no longer could value but knew would be of value to the invaders. And each, my friends, followed their path successfully.

The difference, then, would lie simply in the direction of their paths, for those of that city which might be termed service to self chose a circuitous path which would circle repeatedly back in upon itself, rebounding from its contact with others as they would progress outward, find their pain, acquire their minor treasures and return whence they came, while those of the city which might be termed service to others acquired those gifts which had been provided, made use of those gifts to the extent which they were useful, then left them behind for their brothers and proceeded outward on a path which had no return, only progression.

My brothers, we are of the path of service to others. It is of our choice. It is apparent to those who seek to follow this path that others more readily accept a different path, that of service to self. It is appropriate to be of what assistance one may to our brothers of the service-to-self polarity, for as you know, such service can only be of assistance to both you and they. Yet, it is not necessary for all to lay down their lives for the whims of those who seek pleasure in the taking of life and the destruction of that which we call good.

My brothers, in times ahead, travails will come to each of you and difficult choices will need to be made. In your illusion, there are many examples of what may be termed nobility, common sense, or even “the right thing to do.” But, my brothers, remember that confusion might be termed the dominant theme within your illusion and that nobility which stems from confusion may not always be the most beneficial choice for those concerned. Therefore, my friends, look to your heart for guidance and not to conventional wisdom, for it is within your heart and not your mind that the course of your desire will be revealed.

 
   
   

[Patrick]

^^^^ I like this new Fool !  ^^^^

[confusedseeker]

I don't even know what a loser is anymore. I know so many people who got rich, got laid a bunch, and are now depressed... Shrug.

[AnthroHeart]

I don't know if being called a fraud, delusional, hippie, incompetent and useless makes you a loser.
In any case, I find life phenomenal and try to share that with others.

[jafar]

What is actually won by the winners?  What are we fighting for, exactly?  Please remind me.

The 'winning' (thus it's opposite implication 'losing') is an STS thought framework.
Winning = gaining superiority, gaining dominance over the losers, enslaving the losers.

Below is one view of this.  If you make it to the end of the excerpt, you'll see that the path forward for some is the way of the heart.  Why would that be, I wonder?

Thank you for pointing the citation from Hatton, it correlate well and very similar with the Zen story..

Let me repeat the zen story:

There's a Zen story about a warlord who attack and raid a village, once he and his band arrived at the village he found that the village is already empty, all the populace has run away for safety. He and his band can then easily loot anything that they wishes from the village.
Until one of his man report back about a presence of a monk within the temple, who did not run away and sit still in meditation posture.
Enraged, the warlord come to the temple and approached the monk, draw his sword pointing it at the monk's head and said:

Warlord: You stupid monk! Why you don't run away like everybody else, don't you know who I am??? I can easily split you in half!
Monk: And don't you know who I am?? I can easily split MYSELF in half.

The probable result are the following:

1. The monk decided to fight the warlord, the monk won the battle gaining dominance over the warlord.
The monk has polarized himself one notch closer to STS path, the warlord failed to polarize further on STS path as he failed to gain dominance.
If the monk continue this pattern, continue seeking and fighting another warlords, he will be on his 'highway to STS' and potentially polarizing much further than the warlord himself on STS path, becoming more war mongering than the warlord, although he dressed like a monk.

2. The monk decided to fight the warlord, the warlord won the battle gaining dominance over the monk. (the 'loser' scenario)
The warlord has polarized further on STS path, the monk has polarized himself one notch closer to STS path. If the monk did not accept the 'losing' event and vow for revenge, the monk will grow further in his bitterness and anger, the monk will polarize further and further to STS.

3. The monk decided to fight the warlord, but the battle ends in a draw, none of them could dominate over the other.
The warlord fail to polarize further on STS path, the monk has polarized himself one notch closer to STS path and failed to polarize further on STO path.

4. The monk decided to let the warlord split him in half without resistance and the warlord split him in half. (the 'loser' scenario)
The warlord has polarized further on STS path, the monk has polarized himself further on STO path.
So both are polarizing further on their respective path.

5. The monk decided to let the warlord split him in half without resistance, but the warlord amazed by the courage of the monk, as 'splitting myself in half' is something that the warlord is not able to do, he then decided to learn more on how the monk is able to do that.
The warlord has starting to polarize himself towards STO path.

[Sacred Fool]

What is actually won by the winners?  What are we fighting for, exactly?  Please remind me.

The 'winning' (thus it's opposite implication 'losing') is an STS thought framework.
Winning = gaining superiority, gaining dominance over the losers, enslaving the losers.

Well, I think one point of the Hatonn story is that it's the framework of both parties if both parties choose to engage.  Then it's a mutual standoff (as in your tall tale).

It seems to me it all depends upon the level of catalyst one is vibrating to in one's own little holodeck bubble.  If one needs to explore confrontation leading to capitulation or self-surrender or whatever (see your list of possible outcomes), then those possibilities are available for you to experience.  If one is ready to move beyond the "thought framework" of confrontation, then that experience is likewise available for your experiential pleasure, as it were.  In my personal case, I find in my heart movement slowly passing by the self-revelation-through-conflict model of earthly life.  And, parenthetically, that feels quite salubrious.

Therefore, my friends, look to your heart for guidance and not to conventional wisdom, for it is within your heart and not your mind that the course of your desire will be revealed.