How do STS-beings meditate?

[BridgesToLight]

It feels like we are assuming a whole lot here.

How do STO beings meditate? Can anyone truly answer this is anyway other than their personal experience? I'm going to bet I don't meditate the same as other Wanderers, other humans. I am me and I bloom differently from all others, so do "they".

The veil is so thin now that everyone is receiving messages, all the time, and thoughtforms come from both higher density STO and STS, my job is is to quit labeling, judging, worrying about others and the ills of the planet, and fine-tune my own heart and my own path without falling captive to thinking there is a right, wrong, dark, light way to do it.

Our need to simplify and categorize everything has made our psyches extraordinarily chaotic.

I'm not either or, I bam both.
Lucky for me Ra said I only have to tip that scale to a tiny bit more loving, than afraid.

Everyday I get a little closer by letting go of worrying about others and what they are doing.

[kristina]

It feels like we are assuming a whole lot here.

How do STO beings meditate? Can anyone truly answer this is anyway other than their personal experience?  I'm going to bet I don't meditate the same as other Wanderers, other humans. I am me and I bloom differently from all others, so do "they".

The veil is so thin now that everyone is receiving messages, all the time, and thoughtforms come from both higher density STO and STS, my job is is to quit labeling, judging, worrying about others and the ills of the planet, and fine-tune my own heart and my own path without falling captive to thinking there is a right, wrong, dark, light way to do it.

Our need to simplify and categorize everything has made our psyches extraordinarily chaotic.

I'm not either or, I bam both.
Lucky for me Ra said I only have to tip that scale to a tiny bit more loving, than afraid.

Everyday I get a little closer by letting go of worrying about others and what they are doing.

The veil is so thin now

To go along with what you are conveying here, others complain that the veil is too thick.

I'm not either or, I bam both.

And do you find it a far stretch to see yourself as the murderer, the thief or the manipulator?

[Alexis]

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Curiosity here, how do you know what path another self is truly on? And if really an STS entity, wouldn't they lie to manipulate your light?

And by judging another that we cannot possibly fully understand, aren't we tipping our own balance to STS?
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Are you concerned about the entities that I interacted with? I actually asked the one I mostly connect with, what it gained from our interactions.  Their response was they have a desire to understand empathy and emotions, as from their stand point, those things are consider weak and undesirable traits to the STS but have become a more common occurrence within themselves.

I'm choosing to explore this and as far as it being some sort of manipulation, all interactions regardless of the other's polarity is an exchange of energy.

[Kaaron]

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Curiosity here, how do you know what path another self is truly on? And if really an STS entity, wouldn't they lie to manipulate your light?

And by judging another that we cannot possibly fully understand, aren't we tipping our own balance to STS?

Are you concerned about the entities that I interacted with? I actually asked the one I mostly connect with, what it gained from our interactions.  Their response was they have a desire to understand empathy and emotions, as from their stand point, those things are consider weak and undesirable traits to the STS but have become a more common occurrence within themselves.

I'm choosing to explore this and as far as it being some sort of manipulation, all interactions regardless of the other's polarity is an exchange of energy.

I think it depends on which kind of STS they are.
I feel like it's the same for them, as STO.
STO feel like loving others as self, makes the most sense...because unity is the target. They may never consider looking out for themselves and become martyrs.
Some are on a path of betterment of self. They may not have even considered that there is a path that can lead to unity. Hence emotion is just weakness.

There is a balance of BOTH.
THIS IS THE AIM!
Not positive positive positive...this leads to a snap back effect.
There is a reason Ra are almost monotone with their responses...I believe that they understand too much of either, is counterproductive.

[AnthroHeart]

Someone may have said it (I think they did) that there are probably no truly STO or STS beings in 3D.
So we can't classify anyone as a STS or STO being.

The ways an entity meditates are most likely infinite.

Some people love great intensity of the Light.
Some people are burned by the Light.

[Sacred Fool]

Carla: I’ll go ahead and ask the other question that L asked. She wanted to know how the service-to-self path can use the light, and what role this path plays in the drama of creation. That’s not word-for-word, but I did read the question, so it’s in the instrument’s mind more specifically.

I am Q’uo, and we feel that we have a grasp of this query and shall begin. The path of service to self is one which intensifies the illusion of separation which is inherent in all of creation, for when the one Creator divided Itself in order that It might further know Itself, the division which took place became likened unto an illusion, for the result was the creation and is moment by moment the creation as you know it and far beyond what you know.

As the Creator, which is simplicity itself, became that which seemed complex, the possibility of two means of traveling through the creation or each portion of the creation became apparent. That which moved in resonance with unity became that which you know as the service-to-others path, that which is radiant and expresses the light of the one Creator to all about it, for all is seen the same as self, that is, the one Creator.

The service-to-self path became possible when the first division in third-density consciousness occurred due to the placement of what you have called the veil of forgetting between the conscious and the unconscious minds. This intensification of the illusion of separation provided to the Creator a more intense and purified means for that portion of Itself which may be seen as magnetic to function. Thus, the service-to-self path is one which draws unto itself the light of the Creator in all portions of the creation about the entity which has chosen this means of knowing itself and of evolving towards the same Creator.

Thus, it is the same light which powers both paths in opposite fashion, or so it would seem within the saga of polarity, for as those of the service-to-others path give forth the light to all about them, it would seem that this action is in opposition to the service-to-self path which absorbs the light and uses it for its own purposes. Yet, in truth, it is the Creator which provides the light for both paths, and the same Creator which receives the light as a result of the action that is potentiating upon each path.

May we answer in further detail, my sister?

Carla: I’m sure that L will let us know if she wishes further answer. Thank you very much.

I am Q’uo and we are filled with gratitude at the opportunity to speak in response to this query. May we attempt another query?

Carla: I was wondering, what is the purpose of incarnating as a man and as a woman repeatedly? Is it necessary to know both male and female energies or to become balanced between those energies?

I am Q’uo, and we find that in essence you have begun to answer your own query. This is the nature of learning in general. The excellent query will draw forth from the questioner that which is sought, for indeed all entities are that unity which contains all things.

The incarnational patterns of experience within the third, the fourth, the fifth, and the sixth-density illusions offer an entity the opportunity of experiencing the dual nature of the one Creator which is found in all creation, that nature of which we have just spoken in the query preceding this one. The male and female principles of radiance and magnetism, of light and dark, of wisdom and of love, are those qualities which in dynamic tension provide all catalyst for experience to each seeker of truth, as you would call it. Thus, the giving and the receiving are means by which the Creator, shall we say, dances with Itself. Each seeker, then, reproduces this movement, and when done in an intelligent fashion this movement becomes an evolutionary journey which continues to gather together portions of the one Creator in accelerating frequencies for each seeker to glean those parts for which it has need in its own pattern of growth. Thus, within …

(Side one of tape ends.)

(Jim channeling)

I am Q’uo, and we shall continue with our response.

Within each evolutionary journey, within each density of illusion, within each incarnational pattern, each moment and each thought, there is the interaction and interplay of the positive and the negative polarity that is the fabric of all creation. Thus does each seeker recapitulate the essence of the one Creator, and when accomplished in a directed fashion, this process presents to each seeker the ever-expanding opportunity to grasp more and more of its nature as the one Creator.

The overarching view seems to be that (a) separation is a necessary component for Creation to exist in multiplicity.  (b) STS practitioners magnify this and thereby express this component in a more pure form and © this further refines the texture of the entire mosaic of the Creator's self-knowledge.

So, how would an STS dude meditate?  Just as an STO-type might seek to refine its capacity to radiate light, the STS other-self would find means to focus its will and purify its capacity to absorb light in order to more deeply know and experience self.
  
  

[rinzler]

Carla: I’ll go ahead and ask the other question that L asked. She wanted to know how the service-to-self path can use the light, and what role this path plays in the drama of creation. That’s not word-for-word, but I did read the question, so it’s in the instrument’s mind more specifically.

I am Q’uo, and we feel that we have a grasp of this query and shall begin. The path of service to self is one which intensifies the illusion of separation which is inherent in all of creation, for when the one Creator divided Itself in order that It might further know Itself, the division which took place became likened unto an illusion, for the result was the creation and is moment by moment the creation as you know it and far beyond what you know.

As the Creator, which is simplicity itself, became that which seemed complex, the possibility of two means of traveling through the creation or each portion of the creation became apparent. That which moved in resonance with unity became that which you know as the service-to-others path, that which is radiant and expresses the light of the one Creator to all about it, for all is seen the same as self, that is, the one Creator.

The service-to-self path became possible when the first division in third-density consciousness occurred due to the placement of what you have called the veil of forgetting between the conscious and the unconscious minds. This intensification of the illusion of separation provided to the Creator a more intense and purified means for that portion of Itself which may be seen as magnetic to function. Thus, the service-to-self path is one which draws unto itself the light of the Creator in all portions of the creation about the entity which has chosen this means of knowing itself and of evolving towards the same Creator.

Thus, it is the same light which powers both paths in opposite fashion, or so it would seem within the saga of polarity, for as those of the service-to-others path give forth the light to all about them, it would seem that this action is in opposition to the service-to-self path which absorbs the light and uses it for its own purposes. Yet, in truth, it is the Creator which provides the light for both paths, and the same Creator which receives the light as a result of the action that is potentiating upon each path.

May we answer in further detail, my sister?

Carla: I’m sure that L will let us know if she wishes further answer. Thank you very much.

I am Q’uo and we are filled with gratitude at the opportunity to speak in response to this query. May we attempt another query?

Carla: I was wondering, what is the purpose of incarnating as a man and as a woman repeatedly? Is it necessary to know both male and female energies or to become balanced between those energies?

I am Q’uo, and we find that in essence you have begun to answer your own query. This is the nature of learning in general. The excellent query will draw forth from the questioner that which is sought, for indeed all entities are that unity which contains all things.

The incarnational patterns of experience within the third, the fourth, the fifth, and the sixth-density illusions offer an entity the opportunity of experiencing the dual nature of the one Creator which is found in all creation, that nature of which we have just spoken in the query preceding this one. The male and female principles of radiance and magnetism, of light and dark, of wisdom and of love, are those qualities which in dynamic tension provide all catalyst for experience to each seeker of truth, as you would call it. Thus, the giving and the receiving are means by which the Creator, shall we say, dances with Itself. Each seeker, then, reproduces this movement, and when done in an intelligent fashion this movement becomes an evolutionary journey which continues to gather together portions of the one Creator in accelerating frequencies for each seeker to glean those parts for which it has need in its own pattern of growth. Thus, within …

(Side one of tape ends.)

(Jim channeling)

I am Q’uo, and we shall continue with our response.

Within each evolutionary journey, within each density of illusion, within each incarnational pattern, each moment and each thought, there is the interaction and interplay of the positive and the negative polarity that is the fabric of all creation. Thus does each seeker recapitulate the essence of the one Creator, and when accomplished in a directed fashion, this process presents to each seeker the ever-expanding opportunity to grasp more and more of its nature as the one Creator.

The overarching view seems to be that (a) separation is a necessary component for Creation to exist in multiplicity.  (b) STS practitioners magnify this and thereby express this component in a more pure form and © this further refines the texture of the entire mosaic of the Creator's self-knowledge.

So, how would an STS dude meditate?  Just as an STO-type might seek to refine its capacity to radiate light, the STS other-self would find means to focus its will and purify its capacity to absorb light in order to more deeply know and experience self.
  
  

Does that mean that focusing one's will during meditation is a thing that only beings towards the negative pole do? Or can it be used for good purposes as well?
I can imagine having a stronger will would be good to resist worldly temptations and desires that drag one down and be used to better help others in need.

[Sacred Fool]

The use of will is a big topic.  

If one accepts that the arc of consciousness bends towards our knowing self as the Creator, then perhaps the most significant applications of will are towards seeking and service.  I.e., the more one discovers within self the will to seek and the will to serve, and cultivates these, the more quickly one may come into alignment with pathways towards far deeper knowing of self.  Presumably, then, if one's will wavers, one's pathway is more indistinct.

I might add: in this sense, will is a form of power, and power must needs be balanced with love....at various points along the way.
 
 

[rinzler]

I think I finally figured it out guys.
Ra said that that acceptance is the way of the positve and control that of the negative polarity.
I've been having a lot of trouble meditating and today I tried to just accept my thoughts and feelings. It worked and for a couple of hours I felt a bit better.
I've found out that controlling my thoughts is exponentially harder than accepting them in fact I tend to get tired quickly in meditation because of that. I also lose myself in a downward spirale, thoughts tend to get worse and I lose all control. It also shows you that too much meditation can be harmful because the rate of change is too quick.
I think this is the main difference in meditation for beings in different polarities. That speaks volumes about how hard it actually is for beings to go down the negative path. I can only recommend trying it out at least once. It really shows you how much 95% really is. Impressive for sure but also sad that people go that way despite all the resistance.
The Law of One blinks neither at the light or the darkness.

[kristina]

I think I finally figured it out guys.
Ra said that that acceptance is the way of the positve and control that of the negative polarity.
I've been having a lot of trouble meditating and today I tried to just accept my thoughts and feelings. It worked and for a couple of hours I felt a bit better.
I've found out that controlling my thoughts is exponentially harder than accepting them in fact I tend to get tired quickly in meditation because of that. I also lose myself in a downward spirale, thoughts tend to get worse and I lose all control. It also shows you that too much meditation can be harmful because the rate of change is too quick.
I think this is the main difference in meditation for beings in different polarities. That speaks volumes about how hard it actually is for beings to go down the negative path. I can only recommend trying it out at least once. It really shows you how much 95% really is. Impressive for sure but also sad that people go that way despite all the resistance.
The Law of One blinks neither at the light or the darkness.

That is so excellent! I have been wondering about you! Glad to see you are ok! Lots of love to ya Rinzler

[flofrog]

rinzier,
definitely it is excellent to let come and accept the thoughts, as if you try to suppress any, your mind is then focused on that effort. With time thoughts just pacify and disappear. You will find perhaps very quickly that they do vanish. Just relaxing is the best thing and letting them come and go, you then start to step back till the mental really quiets down. Best wishes and lots of love..

[Reaper]

I've walked the dark path in the past, and have interviewed many other highly crystallized dark adepts, and I assure you the principles utilized in meditation are basically the same. The goal is inner silence. This is a platform for the generation of discipline, awareness and the reification of those energy currents one has chosen to adorn themselves with. Visualization and the projection of will are done in the same way, too, with only the desired result being different. Indeed, when you consider the practices of the adept about 80% of it is exactly the same on both sides, because the mechanics of consciousness are the same regardless of your intent. The gateway to Intelligent Infinity is blind to the polarity of those who access it. The differences are largely aesthetic in nature, and, having been involved in both extremely positive and extremely negative practicing groups over the course of my life, it is humorous to watch them vilify each other while engaging in what amounts to the same basic practices.

** I would also note that most of the more public "Left Hand Path Orders" one may easily research and join are actually very mixed in their polarity, and many of the bizarre and somewhat silly practices that emerge from them are not indicative of what you would see in a functional negative order.

[EvolvingPhoenix]

So how do those practicing black magick in an effective negative order vilify the highly positive? Just curious? Like, what kind of s*** do they say and how does it compare and contrast to how extremely positive groups vilify the negative?

[Reaper]

So how do those practicing black magick in an effective negative order vilify the highly positive? Just curious? Like, what kind of s*** do they say and how does it compare and contrast to how extremely positive groups vilify the negative?

They say that the concept of white magic is hollow; that those who claim to act with a pure intent of service are only serving because it makes them feel good, self-righteous, validated, etc. In the end everyone is just chasing after one carrot or another. And they're not wrong from a certain perspective. How many people here would be so committed to being STO if they didn't have the thought of fourth density (or some alien home world) to motivate them? Is serving in expectation of a reward really selfless? It takes true self-awareness to give a decent answer to that question.


There is also the thought that the positive path is spawned our of sheer weakness and an incapacity to cultivate discipline and accept challenge. The negative path does not tolerate excuses, and it despises those who coddle the incapable. They believe that New Age thought stems out of a desire to dissociate, project and live out a fantasy reality instead of taking personal responsibility and dealing with the harsh truths of life. 

Positive groups tend to be a little less creative and just go with the "black magic is the devil" sort of mentality, which I think is born out out of the fact that the negative mentality is somewhat alien in regards to conventional modern thought. Unless you've really studied their philosophy it's just hard to understand why anyone would do those things, yet it's very easy to project your own ideas onto a shadowy scapegoat. Usually those ideas crest at, "Because they're stupid/confused/evil." In actuality both sides do this equally to some extent, in which every unpleasant thing is unceremoniously swept over to the other side in a way that the individual doesn't have to question themselves. 

In any grouping there is always the danger of the herd mentality, with the desire for stability and security raising unconscious blinders. Suggesting similarities between oppositely polarized groups can wreak havoc within that comfortable infrastructure, whose inhabitants would much rather believe that everything they despise lies with the other instead of in the mirror.

[kristina]

They say that the concept of white magic is hollow; that those who claim to act with a pure intent of service are only serving because it makes them feel good, self-righteous, validated, etc. In the end everyone is just chasing after one carrot or another. And they're not wrong from a certain perspective. How many people here would be so committed to being STO if they didn't have the thought of fourth density (or some alien home world) to motivate them? Is serving in expectation of a reward really selfless? It takes true self-awareness to give a decent answer to that question.

I am also sure that the motivation is of being absolutely exhausted from living in a 3rd density world full of ppl who live in the sinkhole of indifference and those of which wish to polarize negative. We have our motivations but I do not think every seeker wishes to serve The Creator does so in order to feel good, validated, etc...some come with a pure heart. And I might add that everyday within this illusion there is a choice of entering in the fourth density, the green ray, the heart and not in the supposed furture as some hope for. A positive/adept lives within this ray on a daily basis and this becomes who he is and lives closer and closer to who he is. There becomes no longer the carrot to chase, in fact there is nothing to chase at all. I see their perspective however, white magick serves the all and not the one.
"Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well. The devils also believe — and tremble."

[EvolvingPhoenix]

So how do those practicing black magick in an effective negative order vilify the highly positive? Just curious? Like, what kind of s*** do they say and how does it compare and contrast to how extremely positive groups vilify the negative?

They say that the concept of white magic is hollow; that those who claim to act with a pure intent of service are only serving because it makes them feel good, self-righteous, validated, etc. In the end everyone is just chasing after one carrot or another. And they're not wrong from a certain perspective. How many people here would be so committed to being STO if they didn't have the thought of fourth density (or some alien home world) to motivate them? Is serving in expectation of a reward really selfless? It takes true self-awareness to give a decent answer to that question.


There is also the thought that the positive path is spawned our of sheer weakness and an incapacity to cultivate discipline and accept challenge. The negative path does not tolerate excuses, and it despises those who coddle the incapable. They believe that New Age thought stems out of a desire to dissociate, project and live out a fantasy reality instead of taking personal responsibility and dealing with the harsh truths of life. 

Positive groups tend to be a little less creative and just go with the "black magic is the devil" sort of mentality, which I think is born out out of the fact that the negative mentality is somewhat alien in regards to conventional modern thought. Unless you've really studied their philosophy it's just hard to understand why anyone would do those things, yet it's very easy to project your own ideas onto a shadowy scapegoat. Usually those ideas crest at, "Because they're stupid/confused/evil." In actuality both sides do this equally to some extent, in which every unpleasant thing is unceremoniously swept over to the other side in a way that the individual doesn't have to question themselves. 

In any grouping there is always the danger of the herd mentality, with the desire for stability and security raising unconscious blinders. Suggesting similarities between oppositely polarized groups can wreak havoc within that comfortable infrastructure, whose inhabitants would much rather believe that everything they despise lies with the other instead of in the mirror.

I LOVE what you just said there, Reaper! Yes! To sufficiently love oneself is to sufficiently love the self one sees in another!

And another thing I have learned recently that I think the negatives don't always perceive and neither do the positives: Show me where you have judgement and/or condemnation for another-self and I will know where you are weak. I of course have weaknesses, but I at least am willing to face them, although it's not fun. But I choose to be positive because honestly, they're right: it IS self serving!What's wrong with that? Oh no! I'm having my cake and eating it too! With all this gay ass joyousness and love that's worthless because it's unconditional! LAME! Why have your cake and eat it too when you can shank a guy for shitting in your cake because he didn't want you to enjoy it? Joy is for pussies!

LOL

Okay I'm obviously just goofing, I can seriously get where they're coming from like that though.

Here's my reason for STO: STO path finds meaning in being satisfied, STS finds it's meaning in being dissatisfied. I would rather be satisfied. I know it's simple, but I feel it's enough.

And the truth is, any individual who wants to be TRULY sTO must ALSO take responsibility.

So in the case of this criticism, it is probably more self projection.

Like I said, what you judge and/or condemn another for shows your own weaknesses.

Thank you for your insight. I honestly believe sharing this philosophy without evangalizing it is of positive service to us all, because it helps us look into the mirror and take in the other-self. So thank you.

[kristina]

So how do those practicing black magick in an effective negative order vilify the highly positive? Just curious? Like, what kind of s*** do they say and how does it compare and contrast to how extremely positive groups vilify the negative?

They say that the concept of white magic is hollow; that those who claim to act with a pure intent of service are only serving because it makes them feel good, self-righteous, validated, etc. In the end everyone is just chasing after one carrot or another. And they're not wrong from a certain perspective. How many people here would be so committed to being STO if they didn't have the thought of fourth density (or some alien home world) to motivate them? Is serving in expectation of a reward really selfless? It takes true self-awareness to give a decent answer to that question.


There is also the thought that the positive path is spawned our of sheer weakness and an incapacity to cultivate discipline and accept challenge. The negative path does not tolerate excuses, and it despises those who coddle the incapable. They believe that New Age thought stems out of a desire to dissociate, project and live out a fantasy reality instead of taking personal responsibility and dealing with the harsh truths of life. 

Positive groups tend to be a little less creative and just go with the "black magic is the devil" sort of mentality, which I think is born out out of the fact that the negative mentality is somewhat alien in regards to conventional modern thought. Unless you've really studied their philosophy it's just hard to understand why anyone would do those things, yet it's very easy to project your own ideas onto a shadowy scapegoat. Usually those ideas crest at, "Because they're stupid/confused/evil." In actuality both sides do this equally to some extent, in which every unpleasant thing is unceremoniously swept over to the other side in a way that the individual doesn't have to question themselves. 

In any grouping there is always the danger of the herd mentality, with the desire for stability and security raising unconscious blinders. Suggesting similarities between oppositely polarized groups can wreak havoc within that comfortable infrastructure, whose inhabitants would much rather believe that everything they despise lies with the other instead of in the mirror.

I LOVE what you just said there, Reaper! Yes! To sufficiently love oneself is to sufficiently love the self one sees in another!

And another thing I have learned recently that I think the negatives don't always perceive and neither do the positives: Show me where you have judgement and/or condemnation for another-self and I will know where you are weak. I of course have weaknesses, but I at least am willing to face them, although it's not fun. But I choose to be positive because honestly, they're right: it IS self serving!What's wrong with that? Oh no! I'm having my cake and eating it too! With all this gay ass joyousness and love that's worthless because it's unconditional! LAME! Why have your cake and eat it too when you can shank a guy for shitting in your cake because he didn't want you to enjoy it? Joy is for pussies!

LOL

Okay I'm obviously just goofing, I can seriously get where they're coming from like that though.

Here's my reason for STO: STO path finds meaning in being satisfied, STS finds it's meaning in being dissatisfied. I would rather be satisfied. I know it's simple, but I feel it's enough.

And the truth is, any individual who wants to be TRULY sTO must ALSO take responsibility.

So in the case of this criticism, it is probably more self projection.

Like I said, what you judge and/or condemn another for shows your own weaknesses.

Thank you for your insight. I honestly believe sharing this philosophy without evangalizing it is of positive service to us all, because it helps us look into the mirror and take in the other-self. So thank you.

hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!! Raw

[kristina]

EP you're such a little s***. I love your words they literally kill me

[EvolvingPhoenix]

LOL thanks

[EvolvingPhoenix]

Hey Reaper, I have another question about the STS types:

What do they think about the fact that all 6th density negatives have so far abandoned the negative polarity and opened their hearts in this octave?

Do they believe this is what awaits at the end of the road for them? Or do they believe they alone will be the first to successfully graduate 7D negative?

Or do they have a different outlook? Just curious.

[Reaper]

Hey Reaper, I have another question about the STS types:

What do they think about the fact that all 6th density negatives have so far abandoned the negative polarity and opened their hearts in this octave?

Do they believe this is what awaits at the end of the road for them? Or do they believe they alone will be the first to successfully graduate 7D negative?

Or do they have a different outlook? Just curious.

I've never met one who has even heard of the Ra Material, therefore they do not concern themselves with such things. They have their own dark sources giving them techniques and philosophies and couldn't care less about some new age channeling book. 

In general they do not have any notion of ever having to change. If they did then they would merely see it as a personal challenge to be conquered. In such a solipsistic viewpoint one's own awareness is literally all that matters, so they wouldn't give a damn if everyone before them had failed. Surely they will be the ones to succeed.

The specific group I worked with had personified the One as a tyrannical entity that devours souls to feed its own awareness, and believed it was their task to either conquer or trick this entity, therefore allowing them to pass into personal godhood. One of them even believed that he could transform himself into such an entity and devour the souls of others. Thus the base concepts are similar but the mentality is wholly different. 

[EvolvingPhoenix]

Oh wow! That goes eight in line with what another user said: He said that the STS view green ray opening as assimilation into the borg and sought to kill it or something. He wasn't far off the mark, it seems. Other than that, most of what ypu said is kinda what I expected, actually.

[Moonfox]

Do they just do the mindfulness meditation in order to open the gateway to intelligent infinity?
I'm really curious, perhaps they're meditating on hatred instead of compassion?

I am a person of negative polarity who operates to create awareness through the illumination of problems. I don't know if you could call me STS. I operate for the good of humanity and for the problems and heart break that there is here in this density.
I meditate on issues my heart recognizes as problems and ask myself, "how can i fix this?"

My meditations are not peaceful. They are an exercise in logic and an exploration of complex issues. I can get lost for hours on my searches and sometimes I chase the rabbit down the burrow and never ever find him but sometimes I emerge out the other end as the rabbit itself.

It's beautiful for me. It's of great pleasure. I love what I do even though I do take damage from my polarity.

[Moonfox]

Do they just do the mindfulness meditation in order to open the gateway to intelligent infinity?
I'm really curious, perhaps they're meditating on hatred instead of compassion?

I am a person of negative polarity who operates to create awareness through the illumination of problems. I don't know if you could call me STS. I operate for the good of humanity and for the problems and heart break that there are here in this density.
I meditate on issues my heart recognizes as problems and ask myself, "how can i fix this?"

My meditations are not peaceful. They are an exercise in logic and an exploration of complex issues. I can get lost for hours on my searches and sometimes I chase the rabbit down the burrow and never ever find him but sometimes I emerge out the other end as the rabbit itself.

It's beautiful for me. It's of great pleasure. I love what I do even though I do take damage from my polarity.

[EvolvingPhoenix]

Do they just do the mindfulness meditation in order to open the gateway to intelligent infinity?
I'm really curious, perhaps they're meditating on hatred instead of compassion?

I am a person of negative polarity who operates to create awareness through the illumination of problems. I don't know if you could call me STS. I operate for the good of humanity and for the problems and heart break that there is here in this density.
I meditate on issues my heart recognizes as problems and ask myself, "how can i fix this?"

My meditations are not peaceful. They are an exercise in logic and an exploration of complex issues. I can get lost for hours on my searches and sometimes I chase the rabbit down the burrow and never ever find him but sometimes I emerge out the other end as the rabbit itself.

It's beautiful for me. It's of great pleasure. I love what I do even though I do take damage from my polarity.

You meditate on logic? I don't get it. Isn't that just THINKING?

[Black Dragon]

Do they just do the mindfulness meditation in order to open the gateway to intelligent infinity?
I'm really curious, perhaps they're meditating on hatred instead of compassion?

I am a person of negative polarity who operates to create awareness through the illumination of problems. I don't know if you could call me STS. I operate for the good of humanity and for the problems and heart break that there is here in this density.
I meditate on issues my heart recognizes as problems and ask myself, "how can i fix this?"

My meditations are not peaceful. They are an exercise in logic and an exploration of complex issues. I can get lost for hours on my searches and sometimes I chase the rabbit down the burrow and never ever find him but sometimes I emerge out the other end as the rabbit itself.

It's beautiful for me. It's of great pleasure. I love what I do even though I do take damage from my polarity.

You meditate on logic? I don't get it. Isn't that just THINKING?

This. The intellect by itself is a rather blunt and lacking tool, as much as it can seem so important and powerful. As somebody that's extremely intellectually oriented, I can say that the mind will be a drawback if you let it dominate you. The mind will run into some walls it just can't penetrate and then make you obsess over finding the answers. I've been down so many rabbit holes that it all starts to lose meaning and I realized I just want to be happy and be myself.

[Black Dragon]

This was a double post, haven't found where to straight up delete my posts yet so edited.

[EvolvingPhoenix]

Do they just do the mindfulness meditation in order to open the gateway to intelligent infinity?
I'm really curious, perhaps they're meditating on hatred instead of compassion?

I am a person of negative polarity who operates to create awareness through the illumination of problems. I don't know if you could call me STS. I operate for the good of humanity and for the problems and heart break that there is here in this density.
I meditate on issues my heart recognizes as problems and ask myself, "how can i fix this?"

My meditations are not peaceful. They are an exercise in logic and an exploration of complex issues. I can get lost for hours on my searches and sometimes I chase the rabbit down the burrow and never ever find him but sometimes I emerge out the other end as the rabbit itself.

It's beautiful for me. It's of great pleasure. I love what I do even though I do take damage from my polarity.

You meditate on logic? I don't get it. Isn't that just THINKING?

This. The intellect by itself is a rather blunt and lacking tool, as much as it can seem so important and powerful. As somebody that's extremely intellectually oriented, I can say that the mind will be a drawback if you let it dominate you. The mind will run into some walls it just can't penetrate and then make you obsess over finding the answers. I've been down so many rabbit holes that it all starts to lose meaning and I realized I just want to be happy and be myself.

Yeah, I totally getcha. I'm a navel gazer too. There's a reason why Ra and Q-uo and all them say to seek love before wisdom: First off, without imbuing it with meaning through meaningful action, wisdom is just masturbation. Secondly, without unconditional love, wisdom essentially becomes an escape from truth about yourself that you do not want to accept unconditionally. Hell, even if it's true, the s*** you ponder becomes a drug.

EDIT: I should say the s*** you ponder becomes a drug, because there is comfort and control in pondering. Notice that the STS self project all these fucking criticisms onto the STO?

"Don't wanna leave their comfort zone" "Just wants to feel good" "Just wants validation" "Self Righteous" "Self Serving" "stems out of a desire to dissociate, project and live out a fantasy reality instead of taking personal responsibility and dealing with the harsh truths of life." etc.

STO do it too, but notice how to graduate STO, you only gotta be A LITTLE more STO than STS to graduate? STS need to be almost entirely STS, and they STILL do that s***. Do you think a being of almost pure STO orientation would be so focused on self projection? The whole point of their path is HEALING and learning to LIKE the true self, however mysterious that is. STS want to CONTROL that s***, because even at a point of almost pure STS orientation, they STILL don't like the truth.

How do the STS know that the reason STO adepts are like that is cause they're STO? Maybe it's because there's still some negativity in 'em and THAT is what they are having to learn how to slowly accept and THAT is the part of them that can't handle the truth. THE PART STILL BASED IN EGO. STS NEVER want to accept that s***. They want to FIX it. To CONTROL it. Because they don't like the TRUE self. They prefer the ILLUSORY self.

So you just sit there, navel-gazing so you can avoid FACING s***. And if you do that for too long, I guess you eventually lose the opportunity to enter your heart willingly, and the call to adventure comes in it's shadow form and drags you out of your comfort zone, kicking and screaming, and FORCES you upon the call to adventure, which at that point becomes brutal and dark. And the adventure is based in egoistic illusion rather than truth, because the illusion can hurt, but to those not willing to meet it with faith and love, the TRUTH can hurt even more. At least that's what I'm gleaning in my non-expert opinion.

The ego is based in mental constructs that serve the purpose of avoiding scary truth by replacing it with convincing falsehood, which can still be immensely painful, but at least it's digestible... AND CONTROLLABLE. So is the path of STS seeking, it seems.

Keyword: SEEMS.

As in, I don't pretend to REALLY know what I am talking about, SO PLEASE TAKE IT WITH A GRAIN OF SALT.

[Black Dragon]

Hey Reaper, I have another question about the STS types:

What do they think about the fact that all 6th density negatives have so far abandoned the negative polarity and opened their hearts in this octave?

Do they believe this is what awaits at the end of the road for them? Or do they believe they alone will be the first to successfully graduate 7D negative?

Or do they have a different outlook? Just curious.

The question is, have ALL of them abandoned it? If their main thing is not wanting to change, maybe they couldn't move up, but instead of having to repeat could just sustain themselves in mid 6d indefinitely somehow by keeping the spiritual entropy at bay, perhaps by feeding on misery and fear or some s*** in a vampiric manner as some suggest? Also, what about beings from other octaves/universes? Do they have to play by the same rules of polarity

[Moonfox]

You meditate on logic? I don't get it. Isn't that just THINKING?
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This. The intellect by itself is a rather blunt and lacking tool, as much as it can seem so important and powerful. As somebody that's extremely intellectually oriented, I can say that the mind will be a drawback if you let it dominate you. The mind will run into some walls it just can't penetrate and then make you obsess over finding the answers. I've been down so many rabbit holes that it all starts to lose meaning and I realized I just want to be happy and be myself.
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This.

If I don't exercise my mind, it will find ways to dominate. The meditations provide relief for me, believe it or not.