Human beings are plenty loving

[redchartreuse]

Here is a quote from the second session of the Brown Notebook, which is a precursor to the later contacts transcribed by L/L:

Saturday, September 20, 1958

Greetings. Light and love are the basis of a true understanding of the Creator. This, my brothers, will only be found by sincere effort. We of the Confederation intend to help you. Seeking is a prime requisite for a beginning. Love and understanding will come later.

Here, in this inaugural contact, the Confederation gave us a simple formula:  Light + Love = Understanding

By the time we reach the early days of the Ra contact, we can see a shift in this message to the asserting that "Understanding is not of this density."

Ra says that 4th density is the dimension of love or understanding, which are equal.  

20.36 ▶ Questioner: You use the same nomenclature for fourth-density negative as for fourth-density positive. Both are called the dimension of love or understanding. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. Love and understanding, whether it be of self or of self towards other-self, is one.

In other words, they are saying Love = Understanding which is actually quite different from the original formula given by the Confederation.

Perhaps it might seem a small point to some, however I find it to be quite central in that it is obviously quite possible to love another self, without really understanding them at all.

In order to achieve understanding, we need to add light into the equation.  Which can often be difficult.  Because in order to do so, we must be willing to question ourselves, and what we have been taught by society, down to its very core.  We must be willing to admit to ourselves that what we perceive with our physical senses, and what we feel in our emotional bodies, may not be an accurate portrayal of the world as it actually exists around us.

It takes dedication and commitment... i.e. sincere seeking... to bring the higher light into our consciousness.  It also requires reasoned thinking and an ability to discern between falsity and truth.

Love, on the other hand, actually comes quite easy to humans.

Indeed, it would appear the further we get away from the Ra contact, into Q'uo and some other channels claiming the Confederation as their source, there appears to me to be a continuation of this trend of taking "light" out of the equation, and shifting the message more fully to humanity's supposed "need" to be more loving.

We are constantly told that we need to love more.  That we have chosen suffering in order to learn love.  That we need to just love, love, love our way into fourth density.   But whatever happened to the light side of the equation?

A few others here have openly wondered if I have a "bone to pick" or an "axe to grind" or a "chip on my shoulder" about something.

The answer is: Yes, I do.  And here it is.

I believe that human beings are plenty loving.

When I think about all the different people I've encountered in my life, and all the different kinds of relationships I've had with them, there is something that strikes me as very odd, when taken in the context of all these messages from the Confederation.

The odd thing is that nearly all of the people I've ever encountered in life are already very loving people.

When I look around the earth, I actually see love everywhere.  I see people being loving toward their families.  Loving toward their country.  Loving toward their co-workers.  Loving toward their pets.  Loving toward their favorite sports teams.  People all around the earth love life even despite in many cases living in what we might consider to be deplorable conditions.

Love, love, love.  I see love everywhere!  

And yet... we do not appear to be any closer to "understanding" each other, than we were back in 1958.

Why?  Could it be that there is *something else* missing from the equation? Could it be that what is actually needed is... more light?

Don't think so?  Let's look at it from another angle.  Do you know what is the easiest way to manipulate a human being into doing what you want them to do?

Of course you know.  Everybody knows.  The way to do that is to "pull at their heart strings."

It's such an easy thing to do, really.  All one really need to do to get most people to follow a particular agenda is to suggest to them that they are not being loving enough.

Wanna sell somebody something they don't need?   Pull at their heart strings.

Want somebody to give you something they have, but really can't afford to lose?  Pull at their heart strings.

Want to get somebody to stay in an abusive relationship with you?  Pull at their heart strings.  Go ahead- make it their fault you abuse them.  Tell them they aren't "loving enough".  Works every time.

Want to get people to star warring with each other?  Pull at their heart strings.

Might at first glance seem counterintuitive, but the #1 tactic of despots and dictators trying to foment war among people is to get them to believe that something they love is under attack.

Still skeptical?  Not to worry, the programming runs very deep.

All you need to do is turn on the television set, and see for yourself.  "Somebody, somewhere" is very intent on making sure that every single "hateful" act that occurs on the planet is immediately broadcast into our brainstems.  Meanwhile, every day acts of love and kindness are rarely deemed "newsworthy" enough to even bother mentioning.

Day after day.  Moment by moment.  We are constantly reminded that, supposedly, humans are not loving enough.  

Yet this is a big, fat, bald-faced lie.  It's just simply not true.  And personally, I find it offensive (and HIGHLY manipulative) for some off-planet entity to suggest otherwise.

And yet, so many channeled sources seem quite eager to align themselves with this lie.  They are "right there with us" to reinforce how unloving we are, and constantly suggesting we need to be "more loving" and that every bit of suffering on the planet is there in order to teach us to "be more loving."

I call bullshit.  Look into the eyes of any newborn baby, and tell me that they "need to be more loving."

They don't.  And neither do you.  And neither do I.

No.  What is actually lacking from this equation of "understanding" are those things on the "light" side.  Not the least of which is the ability to rationalize.  To intellectualize.  To use logic and reason.  To be skeptical of one's own "knee-jerk" perceptions and reactions, and to consciously seek a higher perspective.

To be sure, it would be equally unwise to stick only to the "light" side of things while ignoring the "love" side.  Fortunately for the vast majority of humans, it is nearly impossible to ignore the impulse to love, and the want to be loved.

What IS easier to ignore is reason and the intellect.

Yet, it almost seems these days that there is some kind of hidden war on reason.  And many channeled entities again appear all too eager to get on the bandwagon.

Spiritual communities are full of people who have some sort of problem with people who reason.  Reasoning and logic is deemed a threat.  Only feelings and emotions are to be trusted.  Nevermind that these often change at the drop of a pin.  They are "safe".  Because feelings can never be questioned.  And therefore somebody who is using their emotional/feeling nature as the sole driver of their vehicle doesn't ever have to explain themselves.  Whatever it is they did, must be right.  Because it felt right.  End of story.

So there you have it, and there it is.  My so-called "secret agenda" in all its glory.

Human beings are plenty loving, and we can see the evidence for this all around us.  What humans largely lack is the ability to reason.  The ability to clearly see through a bullshit argument.  And most definitely the ability to resist having their heart strings pulled in order to be manipulated into following somebody else's agenda.

Adonai.

[Merrick]

I don’t have time to do a full response right now, but let me just say that your reasoning is extremely flawed. We are already love/light (notice the slash there), we have only forgotten.

Edit: Light =/= Reasoning and Ra frequently spoke of the importance of using your own discernment.

[Jade]

The problem is, light without love is a detriment, it's absorptive and not radiant, which is why it's important to know for sure that we are truly loving before we try to "reason". For instance, and I don't mean this as a personal attack, red, but I don't feel a lot of love, acceptance, or understanding coming from your OP. I feel judgement, resentment, and frustration. Maybe I'm misinterpreting your energy, but for me, this is why your attempts at offering "light" fall flat - there is no support from the heart chakra of true unconditional love of others. If you still see people as needing to be fixed in some rote way, your heart chakra is not unblocked.

[34.9]There are some few whose desires to aid society are of a green-ray nature or above. These entities, however, are few due to the understanding, may we say, of fourth ray that universal love freely given is more to be desired than principalities or even the rearrangement of peoples or political structures.

What wanderers usually do not realize is that that which is so obvious and easy from the other side of the veil is impossible to read and difficult to bear within the thick veiling of the third density of Earth, with its free will and its extremely thick veil. The danger always is that the wanderer will not wake up, or, if it is partially awake, that it will awaken only to complain that it is not comfortable, that it wants to go home, that it must leave this place that is so polluted and dirty.

To those who feel these things, we would suggest that it is precisely because this planet is so in need of higher vibrations that you came to serve at this time, to help lighten the vibrations of Planet Earth. And you could not do this without incarnating and becoming one of the tribe of humankind. Your love was so great that you took that step. And now you have awakened and you know how difficult a step it was to take. We encourage you to take hold of the honor and the duty of being a wanderer.

That which you know of the higher planes, that which you remember in a dim or not so dim way, bring into your heart and let it bless the environment that you see before you, just as it is. You are not here to clean it up. You are not here to make it right. You are not here to fix it. For all of the outer world is an illusion. You are here to love it. Take the world in your arms and embrace it. This is how you came to serve. This is your glory and your crown. Wear it well and rejoice in being here.

https://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/i..._0731.aspx

And if you want to build your philosophy on the belief that the conscious trance channeling done in the 50s was a more pure and accurate contact than the Ra material, that is absolutely fine, I just doubt you will find many people to agree with you.

The veil plays many tricks. Nobody is totally unveiled while in a human body, even when we pierce the veil we are still seeing it with a third density bias. Speaking with surety is a thin line to walk, trust me I know. If you are too arrogant or seeing things from a limited viewpoint, reality will find a way to humble you. That is why when one speaks surely of having wisdom, I know there is a layer of self deception there - because there are many layers of self deception. The true self has true sight, and the true self uses the veil to obscure that. The whole point of being a wanderer is to be confused and stumble in the dark. The lessons in a third density incarnation are not supposed to end, and I feel like the lessons of love here are endless. I'm not an expert, but I'm of the opinion that it's this type of frame of mind that allows us to "generate wisdom": Specifically, openness to a change in viewpoint, and a conscious focus on love. This is how we serve infinity - by constantly changing. When we are holding too rigidly to something, this is a hint to where our work lies. I might read any one of my posts tomorrow and feel that I was wrong somewhere, and that's absolutely okay, and in fact absolutely welcomed, in my experience. True magic is having a change in consciousness. Any change of consciousness that allows us to see more love and unity and divinity is well earned!

[David_1]

   “Human beings are plenty loving.”
   Of course they are.  The question is, are they loving of themselves or loving of others?  That produces the difference of service-to-self or service-to-others.  In what direction is the love focused?  (The thief is loving itself by interfering in the free will of another by taking what is theirs.)
   Am I confused?  I see “light” as sort of resulting from “love”.  Do actions of love for others brighten my light, and do actions of love-only-for-me and hate-for-them diminish my light?  It’s kind of like when loving others I share my light with them, and when taking advantage of others I soak up their light.  If I want to be able to live in a situation where the light is bright, I need to focus on others.  When you hear “we need to be more loving”, the intent is loving toward others.

[AnthroHeart]

I'm not sure if you're talking about having enough love to harvest. But it's more about how balanced we are. How much we accept.
Rather than the STO/STS paradigm, I go by how much I can accept.

[ada]

I also think humans are plenty loving, but it feels that we came here for this shortwhile to do more, to be more. You could travel to an unveiled planet or stay in time/space and enjoy existance/consciousness for eternity, because in essence we are love. It is your free will to choose what you want to be or do.

[Infinite]

It's a complex question.

Ra said that understading is not from third density because here there's the veil of forgetting (which I suposse you know the concept). In 4D there's no this veil and is the first density with self-awareness without the forgetting of spiritual reality. I believe this is the meaning of "understanding".

About love, you probably (and me too) don't know the real love. This is the unconditional love which only can be experiencied with the kundalini seated on the heart chakra. That's the requisite to harvest. In hindu sources is said that when kundalini reaches the heart chakra occurs the first spirtual awakening. Because the truth that we are one become obvious to the entity. Many others things occurs with the entity. So, I really believe this state is the begining of the "understanding".

For this reason, the Confederation and the vast majority of spirtual sources talks about love: because you need reach the vibrational characteristic of the next density to become able to the quantum leap to it. The fourth density is about love and so, we need reach the love to experience it.

[speedforce131]

Here, in this inaugural contact, the Confederation gave us a simple formula:  Light + Love = Understanding

That is incorrect. Light and love are the BASIS of an understanding of the CREATOR. You took out a lot of words there to make up that formula.

In other words, they are saying Love = Understanding which is actually quite different from the original formula given by the Confederation.

Again it is incorrect. Love does not equal understanding. It is love AND understanding.

Perhaps it might seem a small point to some, however I find it to be quite central in that it is obviously quite possible to love another self, without really understanding them at all.

The Confederation has said before that love is not the human love that they are talking about.

It takes dedication and commitment... i.e. sincere seeking... to bring the higher light into our consciousness.  It also requires reasoned thinking and an ability to discern between falsity and truth.

Yes this is correct. I feel that you just randomly stumbled onto the answer lol

Yet, it almost seems these days that there is some kind of hidden war on reason.  And many channeled entities again appear all too eager to get on the bandwagon.

You couldn't be any more incorrect. One of the requirements is your ability to reason. Reasoning is needed for understanding. Only in doing so can you impress the wisdom of what you gained with compassion.

Spiritual communities are full of people who have some sort of problem with people who reason.  Reasoning and logic is deemed a threat.  Only feelings and emotions are to be trusted.  Nevermind that these often change at the drop of a pin.  They are "safe".  Because feelings can never be questioned.  And therefore somebody who is using their emotional/feeling nature as the sole driver of their vehicle doesn't ever have to explain themselves.  Whatever it is they did, must be right.  Because it felt right.  End of story.

I agree with you. But the reason why I agree is because so many people (including you) have no understanding of the material and instead what they're doing is picking and choosing what they want to hear, not see what's actually there.

[redchartreuse]

The problem is, light without love is a detriment

And love, without light, is an equal and opposite detriment.  It takes both together to achieve balanced growth, and understanding.

Is there something scary or offensive about light to you? Because it seems you are quick to caution about light unbalanced with love, but even quicker to give a pass to love unbalanced with light.

Do you know how many wars have been fought "in the name of love"? How many people have sacrificed their lives thinking they were "doing good" when all they were actually doing was lining the pockets of warmongers? How much suffering and death could have been averted if people possessed a modicum of sensibility to discern they were being manipulated into a dark agenda?

Love does not protect us from being manipulated by the dark. Light does. Awareness. Knowledge.

it's absorptive and not radiant,

I'm afraid you've gone through the looking glass, Alice.   Light radiates outward.  Love attracts inward.  This should be self-evident, and if it isn't, then I might suggest it is a signal to dig deeper into your programming so as to discern why you would so blithely repeat tropes that are demonstrably incorrect.

which is why it's important to know for sure that we are truly loving before we try to "reason". For instance, and I don't mean this as a personal attack, red, but I don't feel a lot of love, acceptance, or understanding coming from your OP. I feel judgement, resentment, and frustration. Maybe I'm misinterpreting your energy, but for me, this is why your attempts at offering "light" fall flat - there is no support from the heart chakra of true unconditional love of others. If you still see people as needing to be fixed in some rote way, your heart chakra is not unblocked.

Why would you "feel" anything from words that you read on a screen?  You don't know me, or have any personal experience of me.  The only thing you "feel" when reading my words are energies which emerged from your own self.

It has become commonplace for people in this forum to publicly assess others spiritual status.  It seems, whenever something "disagreeable" is said, that the typical response is to pretty much ignore what was said, and instead start assessing the person's so-called lack of "heart chakra" activity.

BTW- Telling somebody that their "heart chakra is blocked" is the same thing as saying they "are not loving enough".  Do you see the pattern here?

I won't hold my breath, because B4 moderators have been complicit in permitting members to conduct public analyses of others' spiritual status long before you ever came around here.  It's sort of a "thing" here. And it's totally inappropriate, and absolutely not "of the heart."

I just doubt you will find many people to agree with you.

I'm not here to pander to my own ego and win a popularity contest, or the most "likes."  I am here to share my awareness and experience.  

And I've been around here long enough to know that there are plenty of readers lurking in the background who likely agree with what I am saying.   They are just afraid to speak up, because they know what will happen.

The veil plays many tricks.

No doubt.  And thus we are told that we "need" to be tricked, in order to "learn" how to love.

Honestly, if it hadn't been beaten into your head over and over again... if you looked at that statement with fresh eyes, would it make ANY sense to you?  

And perhaps more importantly, does it speak of love?

When we are holding too rigidly to something, this is a hint to where our work lies.

Exactly.  And I always, and continue to be, willing to discuss (here in a *discussion* forum) about anything that I post.

Yet whenever the discussion comes up against a trope so "rigidly held" by certain members of this community, they are quick to jump in and start derailing threads with public assessments of the poster's spiritual status.

I wonder, Jade, do you have children?  I press because, once again, you looked straight past the actual words I wrote so that you could blindly repeat some tropes you once learned.

Do you have children?  And if so, did you find that they needed to "learn" how to love?  Did you observe that their "heart chakras were too blocked" the moment they emerged from your womb?

My son was born fully loving, kind, caring, and generous, with his heart chakra burning brightly.  And I'm gonna "go out on a limb" and say so was everybody else's baby.

What my son needs to learn is how to reason, and how to discern when he is being manipulated by others.  Unfortunately, it has already begun in pre-K with classmates trying to manipulate him into their personal agendas, and then saying he is "being mean" or "not being a good friend" (i.e. pulling on his heart strings) when he doesn't go along with what they are wanting him to do.

[Merrick]

I have a child and he’s very loving. That doesn’t mean he’s polarized STO though.

[Glow]

RC - if this place is so bad, always has been, and every one so ignorant and of poor character why do you come here?

What is the point of your rants and nonstop attacks of people who dare not buy your version of the truth?

To be on topic this is my attempt at wisdom. Let’s cut through the bs we are all one no one hates anyone so conflict isn’t the draw I assume from anyone here. So why why have the last 10 threads you have started all complaining about LOO what is fails at, what it gets wrong, how we interpreted it wrong, what we here fail at ect

Do you have an overall intention in these topics? Make no mistake I empathize and do love you as anotherself but I can’t see what we are to offer you unless just a place to rant. That’s good but tell us so we don’t think we can potential offer anything else.

Are you angry and frustrated perhaps needing prayer or healing or divine intervention(which can be had) more that conversation based in debate.

I’m sure you are a great person no doubt but what is it you truely seek from this place. Maybe if we knew we could give it to you.

[speedforce131]

What my son needs to learn is how to reason, and how to discern when he is being manipulated by others.  Unfortunately, it has already begun in pre-K with classmates trying to manipulate him into their personal agendas, and then saying he is "being mean" or "not being a good friend" (i.e. pulling on his heart strings) when he doesn't go along with what they are wanting him to do.

Or maybe because he's actually being mean and not being a good friend lol! You as the parent are biased and you are looking at what you want to believe and not actually what is the truth of the matter.

[redchartreuse]

The problem is, light without love is a detriment

And love, without light, is an equal and opposite detriment.  It takes both together to achieve balanced growth, and understanding.

Is there something scary or offensive about light to you?  Because it seems you are quick to caution about light unbalanced with love, but even quicker to give a pass to love unbalanced with light.

Do you know how many wars have been fought "in the name of love"?  How many people have sacrificed their lives thinking they were "doing good" when all they were actually doing was lining the pockets of warmongers?  How much suffering and death could have been averted if people possessed a modicum of sensibility to discern they were being manipulated into a dark agenda?

Love does not protect us from being manipulated by the dark.  Light does. Awareness.  Knowledge.

War is never reasonable. It is only enabled by the inflaming of emotions that occurs when people are told that something they love is under attack. Reasonable people do not make war on others.  At worst, they convince themselves that war is a "necessary evil" that other people should fight on their behalf.

it's absorptive and not radiant,

I'm afraid you've gone through the looking glass, Alice.   Light radiates outward.  Love attracts inward.  This should be self-evident, and if it isn't, then I might suggest it is a signal to dig deeper into your programming so as to discern why you would so blithely repeat tropes that are demonstrably incorrect.

which is why it's important to know for sure that we are truly loving before we try to "reason". For instance, and I don't mean this as a personal attack, red, but I don't feel a lot of love, acceptance, or understanding coming from your OP. I feel judgement, resentment, and frustration. Maybe I'm misinterpreting your energy, but for me, this is why your attempts at offering "light" fall flat - there is no support from the heart chakra of true unconditional love of others. If you still see people as needing to be fixed in some rote way, your heart chakra is not unblocked.

Why would you "feel" anything from words that you read on a screen?  You don't know me, or have any personal experience of me.  The only thing you "feel" when reading my words are energies which emerged from your own self.

It has become commonplace for people in this forum to publicly assess others spiritual status.  It seems, whenever something "disagreeable" is said, that the typical response is to pretty much ignore what was said, and instead start assessing the person's so-called lack of "heart chakra" activity.

BTW- Telling somebody that their "heart chakra is blocked" is the same thing as saying they "are not loving enough".  Do you see the pattern here?

I won't hold my breath, because B4 moderators have been complicit in permitting members to conduct public analyses of others' spiritual status long before you ever came around here.  It's sort of a "thing" here. And it's totally inappropriate, and absolutely not "of the heart."

I just doubt you will find many people to agree with you.

I'm not here to pander to my own ego and win a popularity contest, or the most "likes."  I am here to share my awareness and experience.  

And I've been around here long enough to know that there are plenty of readers lurking in the background who likely agree with what I am saying.   They are just afraid to speak up, because they know what will happen.

The veil plays many tricks.

No doubt.  And thus we are told that we "need" to be tricked, in order to "learn" how to love.

Honestly, if it hadn't been beaten into your head over and over again... if you looked at that statement with fresh eyes, would it make ANY sense to you?  

And perhaps more importantly, does it speak of love?

When we are holding too rigidly to something, this is a hint to where our work lies.

Exactly.  And I always, and continue to be, willing to discuss (here in a *discussion* forum) about anything that I post.

Yet whenever the discussion comes up against a trope so "rigidly held" by certain members of this community, they are quick to jump in and start derailing threads with public assessments of the poster's spiritual status.

I wonder, Jade, do you have children?  I press because, once again, you looked straight past the actual words I wrote so that you could blindly repeat some tropes you once learned.

Do you have children?  And if so, did you find that they needed to "learn" how to love?  Did you observe that their "heart chakras were too blocked" the moment they emerged from your womb?

My son was born fully loving, kind, caring, and generous, with his heart chakra burning brightly.  And I'm gonna "go out on a limb" and say so was everybody else's baby.

What my son needs to learn is how to reason, and how to discern when he is being manipulated by others.  Unfortunately, it has already begun in pre-K with classmates trying to manipulate him into their personal agendas, and then saying he is "being mean" or "not being a good friend" (i.e. pulling on his heart strings) when he doesn't go along with what they are wanting him to do.

[redchartreuse]

What my son needs to learn is how to reason, and how to discern when he is being manipulated by others.  Unfortunately, it has already begun in pre-K with classmates trying to manipulate him into their personal agendas, and then saying he is "being mean" or "not being a good friend" (i.e. pulling on his heart strings) when he doesn't go along with what they are wanting him to do.

Or maybe because he's actually being mean and not being a good friend lol! You as the parent are biased and you are looking at what you want to believe and not actually what is the truth of the matter.

No, it's actually just two little girls who have learned to be catty in school because their home lives are a wreck. Emotional manipulation is what they learned from their parents. I'm sure they emerged as little balls of love, just as any other child.

My son's teachers say that he is very "sweet, kind, generous, and conscientious". I'll take their word over the two little girls who wanted him to literally follow them around and bark like a dog, TYVM.

You're seriously stretching, dude.

[speedforce131]

You're seriously stretching, dude.

Am I? Their parents would say the same exact thing that you're saying. That their kids are in the right and yours is in the wrong.

[redchartreuse]

You're seriously stretching, dude.

Am I? Their parents would say the same exact thing that you're saying. That their kids are in the right and yours is in the wrong.

No, they wouldn't.  And haven't.  They just look exasperated, make a weak apology, and mention that they are having "tough times" at home as if that is reason enough to allow their personal problems to bleed over into the community.

One little girls' mother has separated from her father, so she can spend her nights out drinking, attending all night music festivals, tripping on hard drugs, and having sex with young surfer boys.  I don't know much about what's going on with the dad, other than he looks sad and depressed.

No judgement, of course.  Just the facts, ma'am.  

[speedforce131]

No, they wouldn't. And haven't.

But in general that IS what most parents would say. You have to be mindful of that. Look at it from a balanced perspective and not from a biased one-sided one.

[redchartreuse]

No, they wouldn't. And haven't.

But in general that IS what most parents would say. You have to be mindful of that. Look at it from a balanced perspective and not from a biased one-sided one.

In general, yes. And I am actually very mindful of that.

Your point actually aligns with mine perfectly. The average person, acting from love unchecked by rationality, will mercilessly defend their "loved ones" until the bitter end. You can't really blame them for this behavior, because that it exactly what is pounded into their heads at every turn.

For every single rapist, pedophile, murderer, terrorist, there is typically a throng of other friends and family members who genuinely feel it is their duty to "protect" the ones they love, by offering excuses and making cover-ups and otherwise enabling bad behavior.

Did you know that studies into "radicalized" and other destructive people has revealed they generally have *higher* levels of empathy than average?

What most typically happens is they somehow end up connected with a "community" that takes advantage of their empathic nature, and feeds them lies and false reasonings to goad them into taking action. And they almost invariably believe that their harmful acts are born of "love." And yes, even pedophiles.

To be clear, love isn't the problem. It is love unchecked by light. Love that is steeped in ignorance and lies until it morphs into hatred. And typically it could all have been averted if the person had learned how to reason, and think for themselves.

[Glow]

Something is off here

[Merrick]

Applying love to an in group and hate to an out group would suggest a blockage in a lower chakra.

[speedforce131]

No, they wouldn't. And haven't.

But in general that IS what most parents would say. You have to be mindful of that. Look at it from a balanced perspective and not from a biased one-sided one.

In general, yes.  And I am actually very mindful of that.

Your point actually aligns with mine perfectly.  The average person, acting from love unchecked by rationality, will mercilessly defend their "loved ones" until the bitter end.  You can't really blame them for this behavior, because that it exactly what is pounded into their heads at every turn.

For every single rapist, pedophile, murderer, terrorist, there is typically a throng of other friends and family members who genuinely feel it is their duty to "protect" the ones they love, by offering excuses and making cover-ups and otherwise enabling bad behavior.

Did you know that studies into "radicalized" and other destructive people has revealed they generally have *higher* levels of empathy than average?

What most typically happens is they somehow end up connected with a "community" that takes advantage of their empathic nature, and feeds them lies and false reasonings to goad them into taking action.  And they almost invariably believe that their harmful acts are born of "love." And yes, even pedophiles.

To be clear, love isn't the problem.  It is love unchecked by light.  Love that is steeped in ignorance and lies until it morphs into hatred.  And typically it could all have been averted if the person had learned how to reason, and think for themselves.

You're right and I completely agree with your statement. Thank you for this service.

[redchartreuse]

RC - if this place is so bad, always has been, and every one so ignorant and of poor character why do you come here?

What is the point of your rants and nonstop attacks of people who dare not buy your version of the truth?

To be on topic this is my attempt at wisdom. Let’s cut through the bs we are all one no one hates anyone so conflict isn’t the draw I assume from anyone here. So why why have the last 10 threads you have started all complaining about LOO what is fails at, what it gets wrong, how we interpreted it wrong, what we here fail at ect

Do you have an overall intention in these topics? Make no mistake I empathize and do love you as anotherself but I can’t see what we are to offer you unless just a place to rant. That’s good but tell us so we don’t think we can potential offer anything else.

Are you angry and frustrated perhaps needing prayer or healing or divine intervention(which can be had) more that conversation based in debate.

I’m sure you are a great person no doubt but what is it you truely seek from this place. Maybe if we knew we could give it to you.

Why thanks for asking, Glow! I'm sure it will prove more fruitful for all to *ask* me about where I am coming from, rather that openly speculating about my malintent, or making blind projections into my words.

Refreshing.

I appreciate your sincerity, and will respond more thoroughly when I have time to do so. Hopefully later today.

[redchartreuse]

Something is off here

Ah, you sense it also? Finally we're getting somewhere...

[RitaJC]

So much confusion... So much pain... So much misused catalyst...

I am sorry. Please forgive me. Thank you. I love you, each and everyone

[Cyan]

The OP really got me, this is 95% what I feel, enough for 4th D negative graduation even! Ha, maybe I should form a dual complex with him and rule this place like venus! HAHAHAHAHA... oookay, moving on.

You nailed it right on the head and feel like you could do a better job only if there was more activity here and you would post more, but as the activity is kind of low posting more would result in my place, feeling left out becuase you talk too much, blue ray activity indeed.

The original channeling was interesting, do you have a link to more?

[Nau7ik]

The Confederation says that “seeking is a prime requisite for a beginning. Love and understanding will come later.”

We must first begin seeking the lessons of love, service to others or service to self. Understanding will come later, in the 4th density. “Love and Light.” Light = Wisdom, Which will come after 4th density.

Love and Light are indeed the the basis for a true understanding of the Creator. Love and Light are harmonized and Unity is the realization. God is Unity, the basis of which is love and Light. Which is began by the seeking of Love and Light.

The message from the Confederation seems to be consistent throughout all the years.

[Jade]

Sorry red, but we just disagree on way too many points, it would be exhausting for me to counter each of your arguments with an attempt at clarifying where I see things differently. Also, the energy from your replies to me is so confrontational, that I can hardly even read them, given that most of my energy today on Bring4th is taken up by another thread. So, we can hopefully be content to agree to disagree. I think most people here know where I stand on this side of the discussion at this point, anyway. I don't have anything new to say, replying to you would just be an exercise in contradiction. But, the fact is, we are a service to others focused Law of One forum. If you don't like the Ra material or the way the Ra material suggests for us to serve, then as Glow said, it begs the question, why are you here? You are not chained here. It's your choice if you want to pursue wisdom over love, I'm not here to change your mind. I'm here to talk with and moderate a service to others group of people. Unfortunately, it is against the rules to only push a negative version of the philosophy, and to me it seems that most of the other posters really don't want to see this type of stuff either. So what is currently motivating your dopamine pump here?

[Diana]

I would agree that most humans can be loving. But as David_1 pointed out, to whom. And why?

I imagine "light" to be "awareness." A person who is closer to 2D awareness may have "love" for a progeny or family (tribe/herd). But as the person grows in awareness, this light expands to include love for more of existence (other herds, peoples, all living things, the planet, etc.).

So you see gradations of love based on the envelope of awareness. If the envelope of awareness is based on survival, the person may make judgments about other life forms while fiercely protecting its "own." As awareness/light expands love becomes more universal and inclusive, and less personal (nesting, carrying on the species {procreation}, herding for protection against predators). Along this trajectory, awareness may expand to realize all life forms are necessary to the bigger picture of survival—but here we are still in the personal stake of survival, and as humans we are apt to try and control it to that end.

When the envelope of awareness grows beyond survival and the need to control existence to ensure survival, it moves toward acceptance, but at the same time individual accountability and responsibility. It begins to resemble detachment, but at the same time inclusion. 

I see love as an energy and light as the medium through which it moves—something like that. I don't think love changes, but the application of love does though the channels made available by light/awareness.

[Glow]

Light being translated to the word awareness actually seems to be much clearer than calling it wisdom.
Thank you for that!

[redchartreuse]

Sorry red, but we just disagree on way too many points, it would be exhausting for me to counter each of your arguments with an attempt at clarifying where I see things differently. Also, the energy from your replies to me is so confrontational, that I can hardly even read them, given that most of my energy today on Bring4th is taken up by another thread. So, we can hopefully be content to agree to disagree. I think most people here know where I stand on this side of the discussion at this point, anyway. I don't have anything new to say, replying to you would just be an exercise in contradiction. But, the fact is, we are a service to others focused Law of One forum. If you don't like the Ra material or the way the Ra material suggests for us to serve, then as Glow said, it begs the question, why are you here? You are not chained here. It's your choice if you want to pursue wisdom over love, I'm not here to change your mind. I'm here to talk with and moderate a service to others group of people. Unfortunately, it is against the rules to only push a negative version of the philosophy, and to me it seems that most of the other posters really don't want to see this type of stuff either. So what is currently motivating your dopamine pump here?

Jade- I can see that it is really important for you to characterize me as being on the negative path, and seeking to "push a negative philosophy" for you to feel good and justified in your mismanagement of the forum.  

I don't blame you for it though, as it's likely too scary and overwhelming for you to face the truth about your own deep biases and need to be right in your mischaracterizations of my intent and purpose here, while also having to "deal" with anybody else here that questions your "authority" on all things Ra.  

That you would come back into this thread and continue to make highly disparaging remarks about me, while simultaneously shielding yourself from being held accountable by "exiting" the thread, is sad and disheartening, but unfortunately par for the course around here.

Not to worry.  After I give a thoughtful reply to Glow's earnest attempt at understanding where I am coming from, I will once again be taking my leave of this forum.  And it will be permanent.

Best wishes to you on your journey.