is it unethical to kill bugs?

[schubert]

i hate dealing with bugs in general and really dont like killing them so i try to get them to move into a container or something to take them outside but some bugs will avoid anything you put near them and the only option to get them out of a room is to kill them or wait however long until they disappear. i cant sleep in a room when i know theres a bug around so the second option doesnt work for me, i know it might sound silly to some people but i really dont like bugs in my personal space.

i wonder if theres any insight to this question in the Law of One? i never have an evil intention i just want to be able to have peace of mind and not have to sleep in a different room for multiple days but maybe i am not valuing the bug's life enough? if im being straightforward it feels unwise for me to let bugs upheave my life that much. we're always going to be killing microorganisms just from walking around or driving a car so nobody is perfect and i wonder how far you should go in avoiding killing 2nd density life before it becomes unwise and counterproductive.

[EvolvingPhoenix]

I've stopped killing bugs since discovering the LOO. I've found it's actually not hard. If you can't control a bug and make it leave, just wait patiently. Usually, they either f*** off or go to a part of the room where they don't bother you. I haven't had to kill a bug yet so far. Even mosquitoes haven't been an issue so far.

[schubert]

thats nice to hear that u changed ur approach!

If you can't control a bug and make it leave, just wait patiently. Usually, they either f*** off or go to a part of the room where they don't bother you.

yeah i cant do that. like tonight (what inspired this post) there was a medium sized spider in my room that i was unable to move outside. not a chance that i can just wait patiently for it to run off to a corner and then sleep in here tonight. i'll know its still around and could crawl into my bed when i lay down and i'll be very paranoid. maybe this is just something i should work on, to not be afraid of bugs crawling on me when i sleep and waking me up and freaking me out, but thats a tall order...

[EvolvingPhoenix]

Well, it works for me. I doubt the spider will be an issue for you if you leave it alone. But you know, whatever.

[schubert]

Well, it works for me. I doubt the spider will be an issue for you if you leave it alone. But you know, whatever.

i mean ur right, the chances of it crawling into my bed are small, but just knowing its there and there is a chance really irks me

[ada]

Try and consider that these are the bugs that you so happen to notice, usually you aren't aware and so it doesn't bother you. I would imagine there being many bugs, spiders etc all over our houses and rooms, and so we are fine and not bothered. I think this is a nice lesson to go through. I have always had problems with finding hair in my food, my mum would cook delicious meals and I would just throw the entire plate if I happened to find a single hair. And it's funny because I have cats, so I imagine I swallow much hair everyday just that I am not aware of it thus it doesn't bother me. Having learned this lesson and rethinking the appreciation I wanted to have back then, if I notice hair as of now I would still eat the meal. I think if the bug/spider isn't venomous then there is little need to kill it, yet everyone are at their own phase and lessons so no one act is right or wrong. If it bothers you then perhaps there is something to learn there for you. When I was a child I would love to sit inside bushes and play with the spiders, I wasn't afraid of them at all, until one time a tiny spider bit me, I barely felt it but it starteled me and since then I didn't try and hold one again. Now days I try and connect with my child self and try and let a spider crawl on me to heal this fear and set it aside, usually to some dark corner of the room, they eat other bugs and that's awesome really. And they have intelligence in them, the webs that they make, it's like a print of infinity within something so small, I always used to be amazed by that beauty. So you are right, we kill many living creatures just by our daily existence, but if you have a chance to allow the creature to go on it's way, why not? It can feel quite appreciative. So thank you for brining this topic and sharing with us.

[Stranger]

I have no problem killing mosquitoes. With larger bugs, I use a cup and a piece of paper. Put the cup over the critter, slide a piece of paper underneath (or if that's too thin for you, use a sheet of thicker material). Then you can pick up the whole thing, take it outside, and with a swinging movement of the cup, launch your ex-roommate with an unfortunately large number of legs into the next chapter of its second density journey.

[Stranger]

I generally think of spiders as friendly, since they catch other bugs. But then there's this, which was literally the next thing I saw after posting the preceding...
https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/bb...have_been/

[AnthroHeart]

I don't kill bugs, but I did flick a junebug that was dive bombing me at night. It landed on the bed, and then I flicked it. It hit the wall, and bounced back, and then I flicked it again.
I probably hurt it, but it landed on the floor between my bed and the wall. It probably ended up dying. But I don't like things flying at me and hitting me.

[Diana]

Blossom is correct. Whether you know it or not, there are insects all around going about their business. 

I live rurally and have more insects around than when i lived in the city. When I did live in the city, I lived in an area of high concentration of scorpions. Because I would never use pesticides, my backyard had a lot of them. They only come out at night generally, and they glow if you shine a black light on them. One would occasionally get into the house, but they mostly stayed outdoors doing their thing. Yes, there is a "creep" factor with scorpions, but there is also an incredible beauty, and they are just trying to survive like all other creatures. 

Suggestions for sleeping:

1. Keep your house/room uncluttered and clean (I don't mean to suggest you don't), with stuff put away in drawers and cupboards.

2. Pull bed away from the wall.

3. Put your bed frame legs in glass jars. Insects won't be able to climb up the glass.

4. Don't use a bed skirt (so insects can't crawl up the material).

I take out insects with a glass and piece of paper as Stranger suggested. But I don't throw them when I take them outside which can kill or hurt them. Spiders are fragile for instance. You can just let them gently go. 

Before you let the insect go, turn the glass upright. Insects won't be able to crawl out. Then look at the insect. Notice how beautiful it is. Because they all are. I love looking at scorpions because their structure is so elegant and stunning. I saw an old scorpion a few years back on an outside wall of my house, who had learned to chirp like a cricket. That scorpion was at least 4 inches long. The awe I felt at the majesty of that creature, who had lived so long it figured out how to attract its prey with cricket chirps, was amazing.

I agree with Blossom—find the beauty. Aside from the idea of not killing another living entity, and living amicably with the other beings we share this planet with, humans have been conditioned to think insects and some animals are pests. Resist this brainwashing, and open up your mind to the idea that there is more to this existence than what we have been conditioned to think. I'm sure you can look at a butterfly and find the beauty of it, but I can assure you this is possible with other insects as well. Think about the idea of compassion and kindness extending to all living things, not just humans, pets, and cute, furry animals.

I don't intentionally kill anything. Why kill? There are solutions that don't involve taking life.

[AnthroHeart]

I got stung in bed by a scorpion on my root chakra (tailbone) and then on my front side. It got in my shorts at night. I sent it flying, but I didn't kill it.

[EvolvingPhoenix]

I got stung in bed by a scorpion on my root chakra (tailbone) and then on my front side. It got in my shorts at night. I sent it flying, but I didn't kill it.

Wow! Ouch. That's gotta really hurt! Well, I wouldn't blame you if you did kill it, but I think it's a good thing you didn't.

[Cyan]

Is it ethical that our immune system kills trillions of bacteria and small bugs throughout our life and we do nothing to prevent that. Should we strive for a digestive and immune system that simply expells living bacteria as they are, I would prefer that, it would be a bit messy as everyone is breathing bacteria but maybe it wouldn't be different from toilet use, I feel bad for those bacteria, that being said, I tend to avoid killing bugs and sometimes have long conversations with them and they sometimes bring me new information, they are very sentient once you get to know them, a being with 250.000 neurons is very similar to a general with 250.000 people to command, so the leap was for me a no brainer, they are like respected generals doing their business. Hope that helps.

[Diana]

Is it ethical that our immune system kills trillions of bacteria and small bugs throughout our life and we do nothing to prevent that. 

That is not intentional. There is no conscious choice involved. It's the way this system works, and you can take issue with that (I do). 

I think that if you live with the intention of not doing harm, and follow through with your actions, you are adding light into the system. 

[AnthroHeart]

[flofrog]

That is just beautiful Wolf !!!

About fifteen years ago a night cricket came into my home an started to chirp. In France, they say that crickets will only chirp in a happy home, there you go, I thought oh we have a happy home after all

So I left that night some lettuce on the floor, and when I came late like eleven pm he was there eating the lettuce leaf, so I put a tiny saucer with water. I would keep seeing him. so I would leave a lettuce leaf each night. After three months, I came late one evening and they were like six crickets, and I felt really happy that I was sheltering his friends. They would all disappear when Iwoudl step into the kitchen but he wouldn't move so we had this sort of night conversation.

After one year it turned out that I had about 25 crickets at night in the kitchen, and my hubby was like, whoa, this is sort of wild country.

After several years, it sort of stayed at 25 to 30 crickets, off and on. My son loved them, he is an artist too. My daughter who is in finance thought I was nuts and this had to stop. Then one day I came in and there was none, and then for a few weeks there was none. Then One night I came in, and there was Frantz, Frantz is the lizard who comes to watch me when I paint. I paint in a corner of a room which is next to the kitchen, and I hadn't seen Frantz for like some weeks. Frantz was a green lizard pretty elegant and quiet and skinny. But when I came into the kitchen that night I was shocked, Frantz had a huge huge belly and had grown like an inch. So this is where you are torn between your love for crickets and your love for Frantz, what can I say, life is complex.

[Cyan]

Not gonna lie, flofrog had me in the first half!

[Diana]

So this is where you are torn between your love for crickets and your love for Frantz,  what can I say, life is complex.

Beautiful, Flofrog. I love it that you fed the crickets. I, too, have a "pet" lizard who hibernates in the winter and comes back to live on my patio in the summer. His name is Shorty (because when I first saw him his tail had fallen off—this was several years ago). He loves watermelon. He brings friends sometimes.  

I also feed mule deer as everyone here knows. Last year Spot, one of the young does, was killed by a cougar. She left two new fawns, who were taken care of by the herd. I found her half-eaten body in the wash next to my house. It was incredibly sad. But the cougar has to eat as well. So I totally get being torn.

[hounsic]

That is just beautiful Wolf !!!

About fifteen years ago a night cricket came into my home an started to chirp.  In France, they say that crickets will only chirp in a happy home, there you go, I thought oh we have a happy home after all

So I left that night some lettuce on the floor, and when I came late like eleven pm he was there eating the  lettuce leaf, so I put a tiny saucer with water.  I would keep seeing him.  so I would leave a lettuce leaf each night.   After three months, I came late one evening and they were like six crickets, and I felt really happy that I was sheltering his friends. They would all disappear when Iwoudl step into the kitchen but he wouldn't move so we had this sort of night conversation.

After one year it turned out that I had about 25 crickets at night in the kitchen, and my hubby was like, whoa, this is sort of wild country.  

After several years, it sort of stayed at 25 to 30 crickets, off and on. My son loved them, he is an artist too.  My daughter who is in finance thought I was nuts and this had to stop.   Then one day I came in and there was none,  and then for a few weeks there was none.  Then One night I came in, and there was Frantz,  Frantz is the lizard who comes to watch me when I paint. I paint in a corner of a room which is next to the kitchen, and I hadn't seen Frantz for like some weeks. Frantz was a green lizard pretty elegant and quiet and skinny. But when I came into the kitchen that night I was shocked,  Frantz had a huge huge belly and had grown like an inch.  So this is where you are torn between your love for crickets and your love for Frantz,  what can I say, life is complex.

Love this story, life can be so magical.

[schubert]

Try and consider that these are the bugs that you so happen to notice, usually you aren't aware and so it doesn't bother you. I would imagine there being many bugs, spiders etc all over our houses and rooms, and so we are fine and not bothered. I think this is a nice lesson to go through. I have always had problems with finding hair in my food, my mum would cook delicious meals and I would just throw the entire plate if I happened to find a single hair. And it's funny because I have cats, so I imagine I swallow much hair everyday just that I am not aware of it thus it doesn't bother me. Having learned this lesson and rethinking the appreciation I wanted to have back then, if I notice hair as of now I would still eat the meal. I think if the bug/spider isn't venomous then there is little need to kill it, yet everyone are at their own phase and lessons so no one act is right or wrong. If it bothers you then perhaps there is something to learn there for you. When I was a child I would love to sit inside bushes and play with the spiders, I wasn't afraid of them at all, until one time a tiny spider bit me, I barely felt it but it starteled me and since then I didn't try and hold one again. Now days I try and connect with my child self and try and let a spider crawl on me to heal this fear and set it aside, usually to some dark corner of the room, they eat other bugs and that's awesome really. And they have intelligence in them, the webs that they make, it's like a print of infinity within something so small, I always used to be amazed by that beauty. So you are right, we kill many living creatures just by our daily existence, but if you have a chance to allow the creature to go on it's way, why not? It can feel quite appreciative. So thank you for brining this topic and sharing with us.

hi blossom . thanks for sharing ur perspective! thats true if a bug poses no real psychical threat theres little need to kill it. its interesting to me that u used to play with spiders because i find spiders absolutely repulsive. i even try not to look at them and instead use my peripheral vision if i have to deal with them . i do think from a rational mind that they are very unique creatures and their webs are intriguing but on an instinctual/animalistic level i abhor them. one of my parents grew up in a buggy house and is kind of scarred of a certain kind of bug and also had an experience of waking up with a big spider right on their face which freaked them out. i think this is the cause for my dislike of bugs because theres studies that suggest the experiences of parents influence the neurology and genetics of subsequent generations.

I have no problem killing mosquitoes.  With larger bugs, I use a cup and a piece of paper.  Put the cup over the critter, slide a piece of paper underneath (or if that's too thin for you, use a sheet of thicker material).  Then you can pick up the whole thing, take it outside, and with a swinging movement of the cup, launch your ex-roommate with an unfortunately large number of legs into the next chapter of its second density journey.

this strategy sounds very effective thank u for sharing it! ive been using stuff like buckets and putting it in front of the bug then tapping behind them with a fly swatter to usher them in but some bugs just run around the bucket. this sounds more foolproof and is still peaceful which is perfect!

[schubert]

Blossom is correct. Whether you know it or not, there are insects all around going about their business. 

I live rurally and have more insects around than when i lived in the city. When I did live in the city, I lived in an area of high concentration of scorpions. Because I would never use pesticides, my backyard had a lot of them. They only come out at night generally, and they glow if you shine a black light on them. One would occasionally get into the house, but they mostly stayed outdoors doing their thing. Yes, there is a "creep" factor with scorpions, but there is also an incredible beauty, and they are just trying to survive like all other creatures. 

Suggestions for sleeping:

1. Keep your house/room uncluttered and clean (I don't mean to suggest you don't), with stuff put away in drawers and cupboards.

2. Pull bed away from the wall.

3. Put your bed frame legs in glass jars. Insects won't be able to climb up the glass.

4. Don't use a bed skirt (so insects can't crawl up the material).

I take out insects with a glass and piece of paper as Stranger suggested. But I don't throw them when I take them outside which can kill or hurt them. Spiders are fragile for instance. You can just let them gently go. 

Before you let the insect go, turn the glass upright. Insects won't be able to crawl out. Then look at the insect. Notice how beautiful it is. Because they all are. I love looking at scorpions because their structure is so elegant and stunning. I saw an old scorpion a few years back on an outside wall of my house, who had learned to chirp like a cricket. That scorpion was at least 4 inches long. The awe I felt at the majesty of that creature, who had lived so long it figured out how to attract its prey with cricket chirps, was amazing.

I agree with Blossom—find the beauty. Aside from the idea of not killing another living entity, and living amicably with the other beings we share this planet with, humans have been conditioned to think insects and some animals are pests. Resist this brainwashing, and open up your mind to the idea that there is more to this existence than what we have been conditioned to think. I'm sure you can look at a butterfly and find the beauty of it, but I can assure you this is possible with other insects as well. Think about the idea of compassion and kindness extending to all living things, not just humans, pets, and cute, furry animals.

I don't intentionally kill anything. Why kill? There are solutions that don't involve taking life.

thank u very much for these suggestions! i especially like the put your bed legs in glass jars, that might look a bit silly but we have some spare mason jars and this sounds effective! and i'll be trying the cup and paper method to move them outside and i'll be gentle. "then look at the insect." hmmm no thanks! i understand where ur coming from but i seem to have an instinctual dislike of bugs, i think this was passed on to me from one of my parents who has had very unpleasant experiences with bugs.

Is it ethical that our immune system kills trillions of bacteria and small bugs throughout our life and we do nothing to prevent that. Should we strive for a digestive and immune system that simply expells living bacteria as they are, I would prefer that, it would be a bit messy as everyone is breathing bacteria but maybe it wouldn't be different from toilet use, I feel bad for those bacteria, that being said, I tend to avoid killing bugs and sometimes have long conversations with them and they sometimes bring me new information, they are very sentient once you get to know them, a being with 250.000 neurons is very similar to a general with 250.000 people to command, so the leap was for me a no brainer, they are like respected generals doing their business. Hope that helps.

u have long conversations with bugs?????? i saw in one of ur posts that u do some channeling so i suppose this skill transfers and ur able to interface with insects? i would not think that communicating with them is possible, i assumed that tiny bugs have an undeveloped intellect and are more mechanical/reactionary with no personality? could u describe more about what they communicate or what u learn from them?

[AnthroHeart]

I've seen a fly and a ladybug climb up a glass window, so I don't know about putting jars around bed legs to keep bugs out.

[Diana]

I've seen a fly and a ladybug climb up a glass window, so I don't know about putting jars around bed legs to keep bugs out.

It works with spiders and all insects I've ever had in my house. In Arizona that is one of the techniques to keep scorpions away from a bed. The insects just slide trying to crawl out of a glass. However, in the case of a ladybug I would just take it outside by hand   and flies can be let out the window. The reason flies are on the window in the first place is because they want to be outside. 

[Minyatur]

Well the Law of One would state that there is no separation. You are all the things, right?

Picture that a giant found you so small and insignificant it would see squashing you as without great consequences.

Life and death are big players within the cycles, they go hand in hand. You can't kill something outside yourself either, you are the squashed bug.

[kristina]

i hate dealing with bugs in general and really dont like killing them so i try to get them to move into a container or something to take them outside but some bugs will avoid anything you put near them and the only option to get them out of a room is to kill them or wait however long until they disappear. i cant sleep in a room when i know theres a bug around so the second option doesnt work for me, i know it might sound silly to some people but i really dont like bugs in my personal space.

i wonder if theres any insight to this question in the Law of One? i never have an evil intention i just want to be able to have peace of mind and not have to sleep in a different room for multiple days but maybe i am not valuing the bug's life enough? if im being straightforward it feels unwise for me to let bugs upheave my life that much. we're always going to be killing microorganisms just from walking around or driving a car so nobody is perfect and i wonder how far you should go in avoiding killing 2nd density life before it becomes unwise and counterproductive.

Carpenter Bees are destroying my deck. I let one family live there now I have too many families living in my wood. So yes, I kill them and I kill spiders if they are inside my home. Especially hobo and brown recluse. If I see them, they are dying. Do I feel bad? I am not a martyr. Not for bugs. Especially cockroaches, poisonous spiders, fleas, bugs that destroy structures like Capenter Bees, Termites and Carpenter Ants.

[ZW929]

bad joke removed*

[ada]

19.3 ▶ Questioner: When this transition from second to third density takes place, how does the entity, whether it be animal, tree, or mineral, become enspirited?

Ra: I am Ra. Entities do not become enspirited. They become aware of the intelligent energy within each portion, cell, or atom, as you may call it, of its beingness.

This awareness is that which is awareness of that already given. From the infinite come all densities. The self-awareness comes from within given the catalyst of certain experiences understanding, as we may call this particular energy, the upward spiraling of the cell or atom or consciousness.

You may then see that there is an inevitable pull towards the, what you may call, eventual realization of self.