Unity=Truth=Non-Illusion=Infinity

[AnthroHeart]

I think these concepts are similar.
I believe to reach truth, you need to be past the illusion.
And only the infinite is real.
Only the infinite is unity.

What do others think? Do you have to be at infinity to no longer be in illusion?

[anagogy]

I think these concepts are similar.
I believe to reach truth, you need to be past the illusion.
And only the infinite is real.
Only the infinite is unity.

What do others think? Do you have to be at infinity to no longer be in illusion?

Well, you are always in infinity, because there is no other place to be, but as you intend the question, I think there are degrees of being in the illusion, just like there are degrees to being lucid in a dream.

Occasionally a master will come along like Buddha or Christ or others, and they are lucid dreaming. They are in the illusion, and also out of it too. They know they are dreaming. They walk on water, turn water into wine, heal people. They do what we would consider magic, because to them this world is just a dream.

The ultimate reality is that there is infinite unity. Truth. An absence of distortion. "I am that I am". The purpose for being is contained in the action itself.

An act of will can create an illusion where the unity is seemingly distorted. This allows unity to express itself in novel ways. That is the purpose of the illusion. If there was no desire to express, or know itself, we would just perceive the unity forever, undistorted, and that would be all we would ever experience. It would be infinite bliss, and infinite harmony, but we wouldn't be able to recognize it, or appreciate it. The white light must move through the prism of distortion to create the rainbow.

So extending into illusion, was the ultimate extension, because it gave us, or the creator, the capacity to appreciate that which is (unity). Only in contrast can you appreciate light. The illusion of separation is the ultimate prelude to the ultimate spiritual orgasm (the coming together of mind, body, and spirit). So that which is not is the ultimate magnetic dynamic tension on being.

The well prepared meal tastes much better when you are hungry for it. The warm shower feels better when you haven't had one for a while. And never do you appreciate unconditional love more than when you've experienced the illusion of lack of it for a while.

[AnthroHeart]

The well prepared meal tastes much better when you are hungry for it. The warm shower feels better when you haven't had one for a while. And never do you appreciate unconditional love more than when you've experienced the illusion of lack of it for a while.

At Infinity, there would be no you.

[anagogy]

At Infinity, there would be no you.

There is a you of sorts. There is not a "you" in the sense of a limited earthly ego. A "person". But there is Beingness. It does not identify with the particular, therefore its identity is infinite unity. But there is experience, or perception. It isn't a black void of nothingness, since nothingness is a fictional concept we invented. Even in infinity, there is a mind, body, and spirit. They are just integrated and don't manifest in separate ways. There is not a "personal perspective", but there is a "cosmic perspective".

The Self is eternal. The little self, which is an aggregate of various qualities is not. But words are almost always misleading, unfortunately.

[AnthroHeart]

And when we rejoin Creator at the end of 7th density, will we individuate again after that after eons?

Is the whole of 7th density infinite? Or is that 8th density of which you speak of?

[Infinite Unity]

All there is, is you. The One and only. The description of any kind, from Infinite Unity to Infinite Energy. Is describing usually a portion or aspect with in the complete whole. In truth all there is, is one. This one could be said to be immersed/creating/manifesting Infinite Unity. This description is describing the state of Infinity at a certain threshold of referencing, units, and energy acting or cooperating in certain fundamental ways. Beyond any circumstance, energy, illusion, 0r any description. All there is, is the identity. All descriptions are descriptors of this identity.

No matter what is being created, it is still an expression. The One, even when creating, can not escape from its own essence, its own "motif of spirit". All thought-forms are an expression. More then the concrete/subtle thought-forms defining the creator, the essence of what is being created and why, does more defining then the actual thought-forms themselves. Think about the essence of service/sacrifice. Kind of like a "reading between the lines" essence.

A lot of people think its damning or completely crazy to think the creator is like a human at all. I highly disagree. Now don't get me wrong I don't believe the human processing power, fundamental energy, or creative abilities are directly on par with The Creators. However I cant think that we are completely unlike The Creator at all. I believe we are a lot like The Creator in fundamental ways. Such as Thinking, Memory, Learning. The great over-arching aspects of our experience, I do believe is "in the image of God", as there is no escaping who you are.

[anagogy]

And when we rejoin Creator at the end of 7th density, will we individuate again after that after eons?

Is the whole of 7th density infinite? Or is that 8th density of which you speak of?

7th density is essentially joining with the creation as it is potentiated, or activated, right now. So it is potentiated intelligent infinity.

8th density is the process of the Logos transitioning into a new crystallization of itself. That is unpotentiated intelligent infinity.

The painter is done with the first painting, and sets the painting down, and puts a new blank canvas up to paint on. He or she may use some of the ideas from the last painting in the new one, and maybe not.

And then, as Ra said, the 8th density becomes the 1st density of the next octave. The entire octave is created in time/space first (because all time is simultaneous), and then we enter the space/time illusion in first density. The individuation process then takes place in a similar manner as it did in this octave, with whatever refinements the painter decided to include this time around.

But that is so far away from where we are now, I don't think it is something we can properly appreciate at this time.

[Infinite Unity]

I would agree 7th density is like finishing the game, and having access to any/all experiences, that were potentiated/generated with in the current octave.

8th density is like taking those harvested ideas/thoughts/experiences, and pouring out from The Great Creator all the refinements, and possibilities that are thought up, using new ideas, and those harvested to generate and all new experience. With completely new potentials, new experiences, and new things to explore. However nothing is lost, and One can see that the new experiences, are generated using the same epitome of techniques/thoughts that were put in place since the "beginning" of Creation. Just as 0-9 create all the multitudes of numbers.

[AnthroHeart]

I bet there are some wanderers here from the next Octave.
Maybe some enlightened masters.

Someone or something is channeling the huge 4D energies coming into our planet at this time.

[anagogy]

I bet there are some wanderers here from the next Octave.
Maybe some enlightened masters.

Someone or something is channeling the huge 4D energies coming into our planet at this time.

Ra said that there were beings who transited between octaves. Both the one before, and from the one to come, from our perspective in time. I wish they had asked more questions about them.

I think they are portions of the creator that were curious to see if they could travel between octaves. They were probably some type of sub-logoi. They like to experiment.

[flofrog]

A lot of people think its damning or completely crazy to think the creator is like a human at all. I highly disagree. Now don't get me wrong I don't believe the human processing power, fundamental energy, or creative abilities are directly on par with The Creators. However I cant think that we are completely unlike The Creator at all. I believe we are a lot like The Creator in fundamental ways. Such as Thinking, Memory, Learning. The great over-arching aspects of our experience, I do believe is "in the image of God", as there is no escaping who you are.

I totally agree Infinite Unity, I think we can't escape

We are a parcel of Creator but we are all of that parcel, and He is all of that parcel. We may manifest on another planet with a different aspect from our present human aspect but we are Creator's part as well. So Creator as a human will have any other appearance we will take. It' pretty wild and beautiful.

It's difficult to accept because we think ourselves not perfect while we are only and just under the veil, just as we keep evolving and
it's like being in third grade and another entity is in sixth grade and yet there is a nothing wrong with a child being in third grade compared to a child in sixth.

[AnthroHeart]

And when we rejoin Creator at the end of 7th density, will we individuate again after that after eons?

Is the whole of 7th density infinite? Or is that 8th density of which you speak of?

7th density is essentially joining with the creation as it is potentiated, or activated, right now. So it is potentiated intelligent infinity.

8th density is the process of the Logos transitioning into a new crystallization of itself. That is unpotentiated intelligent infinity.

The painter is done with the first painting, and sets the painting down, and puts a new blank canvas up to paint on. He or she may use some of the ideas from the last painting in the new one, and maybe not.

And then, as Ra said, the 8th density becomes the 1st density of the next octave. The entire octave is created in time/space first (because all time is simultaneous), and then we enter the space/time illusion in first density. The individuation process then takes place in a similar manner as it did in this octave, with whatever refinements the painter decided to include this time around.

But that is so far away from where we are now, I don't think it is something we can properly appreciate at this time.

Am I, the larger Self the painter? Or is Creator/everyone the painter?
I don't think I can appropriately call the next Octave mine.

[Nau7ik]

What speaks to me about being a child of the Infinite One: we have the same desire. What is the ultimate desire of the seeker? To know thyself. It’s exactly what our Father is doing. To know the the self fully is to know God. and even then, our Lord is ever seeking, and so shall we, because we are One.

“Your quest for wisdom and understanding is mine own quest for myself.”
A quote from a meditation I did recently.

[AnthroHeart]

I don't usually get whole sentences in my meditations like you do.
I meditated on my wolf family and got the word "protector"
like they are my protector. It's good cause I'm scared at times.

[Nau7ik]

I don't usually get whole sentences in my meditations like you do.
I meditated on my wolf family and got the word "protector"
like they are my protector. It's good cause I'm scared at times.

It wasn’t a psychic impression. It’s from The Book of Tokens. It was particularly resonant to me.
I’ll read one or two of the chapters per week in the meditative state, and I’ll just say I highly recommend reading spiritual material in the meditative state.

[kristina]

And when we rejoin Creator at the end of 7th density, will we individuate again after that after eons?

Is the whole of 7th density infinite? Or is that 8th density of which you speak of?

No

[AnthroHeart]

And when we rejoin Creator at the end of 7th density, will we individuate again after that after eons?

Is the whole of 7th density infinite? Or is that 8th density of which you speak of?

No

Which one are you saying No to?

[Infinite Unity]

A lot of people think its damning or completely crazy to think the creator is like a human at all. I highly disagree. Now don't get me wrong I don't believe the human processing power, fundamental energy, or creative abilities are directly on par with The Creators. However I cant think that we are completely unlike The Creator at all. I believe we are a lot like The Creator in fundamental ways. Such as Thinking, Memory, Learning. The great over-arching aspects of our experience, I do believe is "in the image of God", as there is no escaping who you are.

I totally  agree Infinite Unity, I think we can't escape  

We are a parcel of Creator but we are all of that parcel, and He is all of that parcel. We may manifest on another planet with a different aspect from our present human aspect but we are Creator's part as well.  So Creator as a  human will have any other appearance we will take.  It' pretty wild and beautiful.  

It's difficult to accept because we think ourselves not perfect while we are only and just under the veil, just as we keep evolving and
it's like being in third grade and another entity is in sixth grade and yet there is a nothing wrong with a child being in third grade compared to a child in sixth.

Your right, and in my opinion, it's absolutely the contrary. We need all the portions or parcels, they are each into our own a part of the building blocks of life/experience. All things are alive, and conscience. The ground we walk on, the air we breath, and food we eat, are all aspects of The Creator, and none of it works, one without the other.

The differentials/uniqness of each aspect is comparable to a contrast, that allows for the units themselves to have enough separation to be different, to exist.

[Infinite Unity]

And when we rejoin Creator at the end of 7th density, will we individuate again after that after eons?

Is the whole of 7th density infinite? Or is that 8th density of which you speak of?

No

Every density is Infinite due to unity or the connectedness, or lack of true separation, from one aspect to another. Infinity is all united, all is apiece of the whole, all is Infinite.

[flofrog]

Your right, and in my opinion, it's absolutely the contrary. We need all the portions or parcels, they are each into our own a part of the building blocks of life/experience. All things are alive, and conscience. The ground we walk on, the air we breath, and food we eat, are all aspects of The Creator, and none of it works, one without the other.

The differentials/uniqness of each aspect is comparable to a contrast, that allows for the units themselves to have enough separation to be different, to exist.

Oh Infinite Unity. So exactly !!!
When I was like four and walking alongside my mother on a sidewalk I thought the sidewalk loved me and was my friend and talked to me.

[Infinite Unity]

I have had similar experiences When I was young, I could feel love for pencils, to the concrete basically for everything.,

[AnthroHeart]

I loved foxes as a kid. I didn't really believe in ETs though.

[kristina]

And when we rejoin Creator at the end of 7th density, will we individuate again after that after eons?

Is the whole of 7th density infinite? Or is that 8th density of which you speak of?

No

Which one are you saying No to?

16.21 ▶ Questioner: Can you give me some kind of history of your social memory complex and how you became aware of the Law of One?

Ra: I am Ra. The path of our learning is graven in the present moment. There is no history, as we understand your concept. Picture, if you will, a circle of being. We know the alpha and omega as infinite intelligence. The circle never ceases. It is present. The densities we have traversed at various points in the circle correspond to the characteristics of cycles: first, the cycle of awareness; second, the cycle of growth; third, the cycle of self-awareness; fourth, the cycle of love or understanding; fifth, the cycle of light or wisdom; sixth, the cycle of light/love, love/light, or unity; seventh, the gateway cycle; eighth, the octave which moves into a mystery we do not plumb.

[Infinite Unity]

I loved foxes as a kid. I didn't really believe in ETs though.

Well I dont believe aliens actually exist, in the form, that most humans think of aliens. The Universe is unimaginably huge, while at the same time being microcosmically small, and interrelated. If you were to "zoom" out, and trace the lineage of the units of what makes up a human. All life on Earth, I believe that you would find that they inter-junction and are "related" to off world counterparts.

That is to say, that the universe is actually literally, one big family. I honestly believe the thought form 'divine' is originally intended to express similiar thoughts/ideas.