key aspects to penetrating the Veil

[Infinite Unity]

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This topic of two seekers is something I'm not so clear about. For instance, if you think you're balanced, try dating someone that is very different than you. There is huge potential for growth because the two of you are highly polarized..as in there is a lot of potential difference. That's what I was talking about in the thread below about green and blue ray. Your blockages manifest clearly and you see yourself.

In a relationship with someone where absolute harmony is immediate, how much growth is really occurring? And how much is there to serve? I'm not opposed to it, just throwing that out there.

There is another saying that goes something like: if you think you're enlightened, go and spend some time with your family.

But my belief is that it is in harmony that the potential for work is the most. It is in acceptance and love that we grow. Not shadow and disharmony. Shadow and disharmony provides potential for growth too of course, but in its own way. As Ra said that "Lucifer" is a true Light-bringer in a sense, but would you want to have a mated relationship with him? In other words, I believe that in mated relationship, it is of most benefit to be like-minded, so that both desires to proceed and go in the same direction, and the acceptance of each other, and love is the foundation upon which the rest of the work has a most potential to be done. But to each its own, and there are infinite possibilites.

This reminds me of a conversation that we had in the Choice thread in the Archetypes sub-forum, where service to self vs. others was discussed. And specifically if service to self is also service to others or not; which I believe it is, but in its own way.

Otherwise, I also think that an absolute harmony is almost impossible to find behind this thick veil in this society, even between two wanderers who even might be of the same social memory complex. It is how it is here, but if you find someone where most harmony, acceptance and love can be found, and if you two are even like-minded, I'd say - this provides most potential for growth.
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There's levels to every portion of this logos. At one level the growth and occuring energy exchanges would appear extremely complex. Viewed from another level, it would seem far more simpler. Two beings will need some degree of harmony for the work, However beings with the greatest gaps in configuration to harmony parallels. Will have the greatest growth potential. In other words, two beings that are magnetically attracted to each other, and to a minimal degree do the harmony. But still have energy centers/understanding lacking in harmony, will attract catalyst along the experiences needed for growth to occur. There are even certain pairings of entities with particular blockages in a certain way compared to there partner. That bring about a synergistic propellant of catalyst and learning if they can be understood and crystalized. Or learning and being able to actually put the knowledge to use.

[loostudent]

I think it's better to keep a company of like-minded people (partner, friends).

"Birds of a feather flock together."

If you are exposed to too much negativity you can get pulled into it:

The entity which incarnates into negative space/time will not find it possible to maintain any significant positive polarity as negativity, when pure, is a type of gravity well, shall we say, pulling all into it. (70.23)

[Infinite Unity]

the so-called Veil has led to many consequences:

* it prevents us from absolute control of bodily functions (being able to numb out pain at will, for example, controlling blood pressure through choice etc)

* it created the partition between the conscious and unconscious mind

* it led to loss of memories

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however, the key feature of the Veil (in my opinion) is that it created the 3rd density illusion of separated beings.  That there are separate conciousness, and we go about our business in a separate fashion, with only the physical aspects of things impinging upon each other.

of course, beings on these forums, and being sympathetic to the spiritual side of things, we tend to think there is more than this!

Session 83 offers some interesting thoughts about the penetrating of the veil of separateness:

the most important aspect is this:

Within the adept is the potential for dismantling the veil to a greater or lesser extent that all may be seen again as one.

there are many tools which one may draw upon to reach this point.

* meditation, dreaming, and polarised interactions

The various unmanifested activities of the self were found to be productive in some degree of penetration of the veil. In general, we may say that by far the most vivid and even extravagant opportunities for the piercing of the veil are a result of the interaction of polarized entities.

* two seekers seeking together

83.17 Questioner: Could you expand on what you mean by that interaction of polarized entities in piercing the veil?

Ra: I am Ra. We shall state two items of note. The first is the extreme potential for polarization in the relationship of two polarized entities which have embarked upon the service-to-others path or, in some few cases, the service-to-self path. Secondly, we would note that effect which we have learned to call the doubling effect. Those of like mind which together seek shall far more surely find.

at some level, we know that all things are One; it is another thing to live this day by day, or experience it moment by moment.

peace, plenum

Just a little question to stimulate thought: Do you believe/think that penetrating the veil, and collapsing the illusion of other(s)(and to an large extent your own current "self"), is there any pain/sadness to this?

You have went to a very far extent to create other(s). I had full realization that the characters known as other(s) is purely always painted/embellished in my own thoughts/mind. (for lack of words)

I believe the very existence of creation impends on a veil, a veil that has always been since the beginning, however I believe it had/has been redesigned and used in more and more techniques or applications imbedding on the physical. Largely how "free-will" was brought to sub-sub logos. Instead of a mind complex that was neatly organized, and practically always in tandem with the physical and spiritual complex, I believe the veil at its current state: causes the mind, body, and spiritual complex to become "complex" or in such a way that its possible to get out of synch with the other complexes.

Mainly due to the compartmentalization and resulting information/data being fed to the mind/body/spirit complex. Its as if the complexes were keyholes that when lined up or in synch, infinite energy flows much more freely.

[AnthroHeart]

Someone once said that it's called the veil, not the down comforter, so it's pretty thin.
Though I haven't penetrated it yet.

[Infinite Unity]

I've skimmed and peaked, but no full penetration as to cause the full dissolution of the veil, thankfully.

I dont believe its applicable to have one standard thick, or thin rating or measurement of the veil. The veil and its modus operandi, in my opinion, differs greatly per entity. I also believe the veil can be used in a useful manner. I dont believe or see it as a malovent thing to be "penetrated" and moved beyond. Anything I have designed, was on purpose, and serves a very useful service.

[flofrog]

I agree.

I think the veil makes for a really interesting experience, Ra said it much better than I do... and even though while we will be one day after  incarnation in time/space with so many things explained, and  so many things to study from our just past incarnation, the great mystery will stay with us anyway , and after all, thank God or we would never have to seek more...  

an ongoing study for ever and ever till we all melt in the One for good !