Meeting yourself in this life

[buket]

In one of Q'uo sessions someone asked if we can meet ourselves in another personality in this life. Q'uo answered it is possible. Your portions can have simultaneous incarnations in this life from different time rivers moving from one point to another.
I wonder what portion of yourself means here. And also what form is us that incarnates simultaneously in? Spirit form?

[AnthroHeart]

Probably a parallel life. Sometimes our spirit incarnates into several people I believe.

Even now, part of us is still on the other side.

[buket]

Probably a parallel life. Sometimes our spirit incarnates into several people I believe.

Even now, part of us is still on the other side.

Is the term portions of yourself which are incarnated to this life means the spirit part of us? Are they the portions of our higherself which are in form of spirit?

[AnthroHeart]

You should read "education of oversoul seven" or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Overso...en_Trilogy

It talks about oversouls.

[buket]

You should read "education of oversoul seven" or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Overso...en_Trilogy

It talks about oversouls.

Yes but I would like to know about what Q'uo or Ra says anout this issue..

[Agua]

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[buket]

You could use role playing games (computer games) as an analogy:

you could play multiple characters.

the character itself doesnt know it is "you" and doesnt know his "world" is a computer game, just as you dont know your real self and believe in this world as a reality.

In the game analogy, the character wouldnt know he meets himself or is even fighting himself.
In "real" life, you wouldnt recognize the other person as a manifestation of your "real self", since you (probably) dont know your "real self".

Is that real self love?

[Agua]

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[buket]

Is that real self love?

Well, I only have an answer that will not satisfy your curiosity, sorry for that

It can not, absolutely not be put into words!
You could say many things about it and many would be true, to a more or lesser degree.
The problem is, it is way beyond words. Words can only "describe" aspects of it.
Words will even be the obstacle.
Each word, each concept has limitations. By saying something is "like this", you exclude "that".
As long as you exclude something, you cannot experience something that has infinite potential.

But the crucial thing is, it is closer to the truth to say it has no aspects.
You are one whole, undivided, undividable being, eternal, immortal, of a vastness that makes the whole planet look like a waterdrop.

It has no identity but an "I-ness" that exceeds your understanding and your imagination what "I" can be.
If you want, you could say that, although it has no identity, the sense of "I" is stronger infinite times.

The intellect is an instrument designed to work inside the illusion, it can neither understand nor describe something outside of the illusion.
You cannot describe wholeness by fragmentizing it, you cannot describe infinity using means of finity.

You can however experience it!

To say it is love would surely be correct, but then you run into our limited concept of love, if you know what i mean.

It had no identity but the sense of I is stronger infinite times. I couldn't ynderstand it. Isn't there a contradiction here?

[Agua]

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[buket]

It had no identity but the sense of I is stronger infinite times. I couldn't ynderstand it. Isn't there a contradiction here?

I cannot say, what that was that you experienced, maybe with more details, I dont know.
If it was your true self, you would have experienced an enormous expansion of consciousness and the dissolving of the material illusion.
But then you probably wouldnt have posted a thread like this in the first place...

There is no contradiction in having no identity and having a sense of "I".
Identity is a concept, "I" is the real thing.
Sticking to a concept is what prevents the experience of the real thing.

In other words, as long as you cling to your identity, this is what makes experiencing of your true self impossible.

I don't think love has a sense of I. Sense of I is a human sense. Are these your own thoghts or did you experience it?

[AnthroHeart]

Is that real self love?

Well, I only have an answer that will not satisfy your curiosity, sorry for that

It can not, absolutely not be put into words!
You could say many things about it and many would be true, to a more or lesser degree.
The problem is, it is way beyond words. Words can only "describe" aspects of it.
Words will even be the obstacle.
Each word, each concept has limitations. By saying something is "like this", you exclude "that".
As long as you exclude something, you cannot experience something that has infinite potential.

But the crucial thing is, it is closer to the truth to say it has no aspects.
You are one whole, undivided, undividable being, eternal, immortal, of a vastness that makes the whole planet look like a waterdrop.

It has no identity but an "I-ness" that exceeds your understanding and your imagination what "I" can be.
If you want, you could say that, although it has no identity, the sense of "I" is stronger infinite times.

The intellect is an instrument designed to work inside the illusion, it can neither understand nor describe something outside of the illusion.
You cannot describe wholeness by fragmentizing it, you cannot describe infinity using means of finity.

You can however experience it!

To say it is love would surely be correct, but then you run into our limited concept of love, if you know what i mean.

Agua, I loved how you describe the sense of "I".

It reminds me of this chart:



From TrinfinityAcademy.com

[Agua]

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[buket]

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I don't think love has a sense of I. Sense of I is a human sense. Are these your own thoghts or did you experience it?

First, welcome to the forum
I'm sorry I didnt realize earlier you're new to this place!

I'm speaking from experience.
Are you sure, a sense of "I" is limited to humans?

Thanks for welcoming me I am new to this forum yes..
What else has the sense of I? Animals?
Also if you experinced it through meditation then I believe you must have a way to go because you should lose the sense of I to live the wholeness. Identities melt in that experience I believe..correct me if I am wrong

[Agua]

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[Minyatur]

In one of Q'uo sessions someone asked if we can meet ourselves in another personality in this life. Q'uo answered it is possible. Your portions can have simultaneous incarnations in this life from different time rivers moving from one point to another.

It's how we're many at all I think, because we're not ever really many either.

[buket]

In one of Q'uo sessions someone asked if we can meet ourselves in another personality in this life. Q'uo answered it is possible. Your portions can have simultaneous incarnations in this life from different time rivers moving from one point to another.

It's how we're many at all I think, because we're not ever really many either.

In wgat form are we in to incarnate? In spirit form?

[Minyatur]

In one of Q'uo sessions someone asked if we can meet ourselves in another personality in this life. Q'uo answered it is possible. Your portions can have simultaneous incarnations in this life from different time rivers moving from one point to another.

It's how we're many at all I think, because we're not ever really many either.

In wgat form are we in to incarnate? In spirit form?

From a higher density mind/body, the spirit is focused into a lower density mind/body..

[Foha]

This reminds me of this one time I was talking with someone online and synchronicity was escalating during the conversation.

I randomly asked, "are you me?"
And she responded with yes.

No just kidding or winky faces.
That started a chain of events that night I'll never forget.

[buket]

In one of Q'uo sessions someone asked if we can meet ourselves in another personality in this life. Q'uo answered it is possible. Your portions can have simultaneous incarnations in this life from different time rivers moving from one point to another.

It's how we're many at all I think, because we're not ever really many either.

In wgat form are we in to incarnate? In spirit form?

From a higher density mind/body, the spirit is focused into a lower density mind/body..

Could not understand

[Agua]

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[Minyatur]

In one of Q'uo sessions someone asked if we can meet ourselves in another personality in this life. Q'uo answered it is possible. Your portions can have simultaneous incarnations in this life from different time rivers moving from one point to another.

It's how we're many at all I think, because we're not ever really many either.

In wgat form are we in to incarnate? In spirit form?

From a higher density mind/body, the spirit is focused into a lower density mind/body..

Could not understand

Incarnating I think is a lot like just being focused here, looking through the eyes of here, immersed by your own will to look and live through them.

Spirit is reflected through the usage of a mind and can realize itself and change this way, but as above so below, and so even above it is the same and spirit is reflected by a mind and realizes itself this way also. Think of it like when you incarnate you start looking into the VR headset of your earthly mind and body, and begin to experience yourself as them, in the thickness of forgetting yourself as otherwise and what you have been, or fundamentally are.

What you are talking about is that from without the timeful thought-form of this world, your focus would, from multiple moments of itself, enter the same reality of here to meet itself from these different states. I think this is exactly how the individualization process work at the Octave level, there is a ticking like a clock, a cycle if you will, where the One's focus comes to intersect with itself entering the same thought-form. Everything you can see as part of without then is your own self (Creator) in a different moment of focus relative to your own.

[xise]

It depends on how many different lives there are between you and your other self.

It's really not all that much different from meeting a random joe who came into this life with a similar energy configuration/similar set of life lessons.

I say this because supposedly my mother and I share the same higher self and we're simultaneous incarnations, but we have at least a few thousand different past lives, maybe more. The simultaneous incarnation info we've gotten repeatedly from multiple psychics who don't know each other.

So basically, we both came into this life with a big heart and self-love issues. But you wouldn't know there is any similarity between us except for that. We are completely different in terms of how we cope/don't cope with our life lessons, how our life lessons manifest, and how our personalities and interests form. She believes highly in Indian culture and thinks American culture is corrupt, sex is mostly for procreation only, that unproductive people are not worthy of anything, is only somewhat interested in understanding the energy centers, and believes that one cannot achieve anything spiritually without a guru (this is also slowly changing), and believes that regular meditation can evolve someone without any sort of thinking or conscious direction, wasting money is one of the greatest sins possibly, marriages are meant to last forever, and when stressed she blames outward rather than goes inward (also slowly changing). She also believes very strongly in the concept of obligation to culture or family.

I'm pretty different. I think all culture is BS, sex is about the creator and not just for procreation, productivity is large distortion of a work/slavery-oriented culture and its better just to think in terms of raw love/fear, energy centers are very important to consciously understand, that gurus only slow you down or totally derail you as you have the power to everything on your own and evolve fastest that way, meditation is a tool that is only useful when properly used and it doesn't automatically do anything for people who don't use it conciously to evolve, wasting money is neither here nor there as money is an artifical construct and its more just about fear/love, marriages are just a social construct and them lasting forever or a short while is fine either way, and when I am stressed I always go inward and look for the inner problem. I think cultural or familial obligations are one of the most nonpolarizing distortions out there that really sets your evolution back.

Assuming the information that my mother and I share the same higher self is true, if anything it's a more telling statement about how we are all one - because really my mother and I are pretty different, rather than some sort of indication that meeting yourself would reveal some sort of mirror identity. It's nothing at all like that.

[buket]

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It depends on how many different lives there are between you and your other self.

It's really not all that much different from meeting a random joe who came into this life with a similar energy configuration/similar set of life lessons.

I say this because supposedly my mother and I share the same higher self and we're simultaneous incarnations, but we have at least a few thousand different past lives, maybe more. The simultaneous incarnation info we've gotten repeatedly from multiple psychics who don't know each other.

So basically, we both came into this life with a big heart and self-love issues. But you wouldn't know there is any similarity between us except for that. We are completely different in terms of how we cope/don't cope with our life lessons, how our life lessons manifest, and how our personalities and interests form. She believes highly in Indian culture and thinks American culture is corrupt, sex is mostly for procreation only, that unproductive people are not worthy of anything, is only somewhat interested in understanding the energy centers, and believes that one cannot achieve anything spiritually without a guru (this is also slowly changing), and believes that regular meditation can evolve someone without any sort of thinking or conscious direction, wasting money is one of the greatest sins possibly, marriages are meant to last forever, and when stressed she blames outward rather than goes inward (also slowly changing). She also believes very strongly in the concept of obligation to culture or family.

I'm pretty different. I think all culture is BS, sex is about the creator and not just for procreation, productivity is large distortion of a work/slavery-oriented culture and its better just to think in terms of raw love/fear, energy centers are very important to consciously understand, that gurus only slow you down or totally derail you as you have the power to everything on your own and evolve fastest that way, meditation is a tool that is only useful when properly used and it doesn't automatically do anything for people who don't use it conciously to evolve, wasting money is neither here nor there as money is an artifical construct and its more just about fear/love, marriages are just a social construct and them lasting forever or a short while is fine either way, and when I am stressed I always go inward and look for the inner problem. I think cultural or familial obligations are one of the most nonpolarizing distortions out there that really sets your evolution back.

Assuming the information that my mother and I share the same higher self is true, if anything it's a more telling statement about how we are all one - because really my mother and I are pretty different, rather than some sort of indication that meeting yourself would reveal some sort of mirror identity. It's nothing at all like that.
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I don't understand how you can have the same higherself. You are a mind body spirit complex and you have onehigher self in the 6th density. Your mother is another mind body spirit complex so she must have another higher self in the 6th density. Is it lije to originate in the same soul?

[xise]

You are a mind body spirit complex and you have one higher self in the 6th density. Your mother is another mind body spirit complex so she must have another higher self in the 6th density. 

Though line of thought sounds reasonable, but I'm not sure it's clearly established in the Ra material that every mind/body/spirit complex has to have a unique higher self. 

It also sounds reasonable that simultaneous incarnations share one higher self despite each simultaneous incarnation having a different mind/body/spirit complex than the other.

I will say I've experimented with making requests of my higher self to see if it affects my mother/just test things out, and it does not. Maybe that's evidence that we don't share a higher self, or maybe it's evidence that the higher self-does not wish to impinge on the free will of another simultaneous incarnation.

[buket]

You are a mind body spirit complex and you have one higher self in the 6th density. Your mother is another mind body spirit complex so she must have another higher self in the 6th density. 

Though line of thought sounds reasonable, but I'm not sure it's clearly established in the Ra material that every mind/body/spirit complex has to have a unique higher self. 

It also sounds reasonable that simultaneous incarnations share one higher self despite each simultaneous incarnation having a different mind/body/spirit complex than the other.

I will say I've experimented with making requests of my higher self to see if it affects my mother/just test things out, and it does not. Maybe that's evidence that we don't share a higher self, or maybe it's evidence that the higher self-does not wish to impinge on the free will of another simultaneous incarnation.

For simultaneous incarnations to occur we should be duplicated, right? What parts of us are duplicated?

[xise]

For simultaneous incarnations to occur we should be duplicated, right? What parts of us are duplicated?

Well even if there is a full duplication of the mind/body/spirit, my understanding would be they would instantly start to diverge due to the operation of free will and eventually have significant divergence due to different life experiences.

[buket]

For simultaneous incarnations to occur we should be duplicated, right? What parts of us are duplicated?

Well even if there is a full duplication of the mind/body/spirit, my understanding would be they would instantly start to diverge due to the operation of free will and eventually have significant divergence due to different life experiences.

We are love. That's our essence. Which 'you' is quo talking about that incarnates simultaneously in this life? That't not you in the 3rd density for sure. So which you is he talking about? Do you have any idea?

[AnthroHeart]

1.7 Questioner: [The question was lost because the questioner was sitting too far from the tape recorder to be recorded.]

Ra: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, that the universe is infinite. This has yet to be proven or disproven, but we can assure you that there is no end to your selves, your understanding, what you would call your journey of seeking, or your perceptions of the creation.

That which is infinite cannot be many, for many-ness is a finite concept. To have infinity you must identify or define that infinity as unity; otherwise, the term does not have any referent or meaning. In an Infinite Creator there is only unity. You have seen simple examples of unity. You have seen the prism which shows all colors stemming from the sunlight. This is a simplistic example of unity.

In truth there is no right or wrong. There is no polarity for all will be, as you would say, reconciled at some point in your dance through the mind/body/spirit complex which you amuse yourself by distorting in various ways at this time. This distortion is not in any case necessary. It is chosen by each of you as an alternative to understanding the complete unity of thought which binds all things. You are not speaking of similar or somewhat like entities or things. You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation. You are unity. You are infinity. You are love/light, light/love. You are. This is the Law of One.

[buket]

1.7 Questioner: [The question was lost because the questioner was sitting too far from the tape recorder to be recorded.]

Ra: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, that the universe is infinite. This has yet to be proven or disproven, but we can assure you that there is no end to your selves, your understanding, what you would call your journey of seeking, or your perceptions of the creation.

That which is infinite cannot be many, for many-ness is a finite concept. To have infinity you must identify or define that infinity as unity; otherwise, the term does not have any referent or meaning. In an Infinite Creator there is only unity. You have seen simple examples of unity. You have seen the prism which shows all colors stemming from the sunlight. This is a simplistic example of unity.

In truth there is no right or wrong. There is no polarity for all will be, as you would say, reconciled at some point in your dance through the mind/body/spirit complex which you amuse yourself by distorting in various ways at this time. This distortion is not in any case necessary. It is chosen by each of you as an alternative to understanding the complete unity of thought which binds all things. You are not speaking of similar or somewhat like entities or things. You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation. You are unity. You are infinity. You are love/light, light/love. You are. This is the Law of One.

How about each of us being the unique portion of the Creator?