Are you afraid of death?

[AnthroHeart]

In the Seth material, Seth talks about guides, volunteers, a welcoming team (can't recall what he calls them specifically) on the "other side" who set up a stage show for those who need it when they die. For instance, a devout Christian would see Jesus or other biblical characters in a heaven-like setting, to ease them into the idea that they have died and everything is okay.

If they know me, I'll be crying from feeling so humbled about all of it, if it's anything like I imagine.

[Ashim]

return to the time/space vibration of your current position in the 3rd density spiral but without the opportunity to affect change. The reason for this is, I believe, karma. I think this can be worked off to achieve 'heaven on earth' by following the path of tolerance, acceptance and forgiveness whilst incarnate.

But you don't *have* to end up that way. If you want, you can create your own astral frequency based upon your old vibrations, and position it in such a way that it takes cues from the "real" world via vibrational overlap, causing you to experience an alternate timeline.

If you are sufficiently displaced from causality, you can have basically any effect.

Yeh and if you're so removed from reality you can make up any old bunk that will pass for 'truth'.
You are full of it.
I've never heard such a bunch of bullshit.

[Mahakali]

basically nothing

Well, you could offer a counter-point, or you could be an ass and use personal insults without explaining yourself, as usual. I have missed my arguments with you, though.

I don't see what's wrong with anything I said. If you learn how to generate light on the astral plane, you can create an environment to go to after death. If you can accidentally end up in a private alternate universe due to extreme trauma, or relive the things you're used to in the human world, or be dragged by ghosts into the ether and join a giant reality-thoughtform created by the souls of the damned, there's no reason why you can't create an environment that you like and go there.

Since it's also well-know that vibrational overlap between astral realities can occur, I see no reason why you couldn't also create a thoughtform that reads info from the "real" world and updates your program in real time.

[Glow]

No, I really could use a rest from all the drama that occurs here.
It's lovely in many ways but the lack of harmony makes me look forward to a rest somewhere less chaotic.

[Ashim]

basically nothing

Well, you could offer a counter-point, or you could be an ass and use personal insults without explaining yourself, as usual. I have missed my arguments with you, though.  

I don't see what's wrong with anything I said. If you learn how to generate light on the astral plane, you can create an environment to go to after death. If you can accidentally end up in a private alternate universe due to extreme trauma, or relive the things you're used to in the human world, or be dragged by ghosts into the ether and join a giant reality-thoughtform created by the souls of the damned, there's no reason why you can't create an environment that you like and go there.

Since it's also well-know that vibrational overlap between astral realities can occur, I see no reason why you couldn't also create a thoughtform that reads info from the "real" world and updates your program in real time.

Yeh, sorry about being insulting. I need to drink less and get with it.
I have to read and digest what you say with a clear head.
My apologies.

[Nicholas]

If not then please let us know your reasons.

We are all doomed to die, Ashim, that is inevitable. A reasonably educated mind would surely recognise this.

My first experience with death was when I was 12. I was in the bath tub and wanted to time how long I could hold my breath under water. I started my stop watch, took a deep breath and submerged myself. I lasted for 1:24 minutes before I gasped for air. The notable thing about that experience was that I came back up for air because I did not want to die. I had learned that if you calmed your mind and practised deep breathing you could slow your heart's rhythm down. A few seconds before I thrust my head out of the bath water, I had expelled all the air from my lungs, and I felt a deep, momentary sensation of peace. It was a moment of treasure, but then I realised that I would die if I did not come up for air, and so I thrust my head out of the water. I was mildly shocked because I did not instinctually come up for air. It was a conscious decision. I had slowly blown all the air from my lungs and felt really peaceful for a few moments. This was my first experience with death.

The second occasion was when I was 24 years old and I had a mental breakdown, a pretty full on kind of breakdown. The psychiatric nurse said I was "pretty bad". I simply wanted to die because I could no longer live with myself. The experience I had then is similar to what Eckhert Tolle had. I was truly tired of living by this point and the self diagnosed contempt and angst reached a critical point. Anything but living with my own thoughts was a better deal to me. The memory of that sense of peace, 12 years previous made the desire to walk into the sea (a 5 minute walk away) very much easier. At that time I had lost my girlfriend, who was diagnosed with schizophrenia and we were separated due to our co-dependency. I blamed myself for the situation, she was only 16, and I could not reconcile in my head why she had become insane instead of me. I was the drug addict, not her. Oh why her! Anybody but her!! I had always tried to control her drug use and we argued over it many times. But she was soo sensitive and I had no idea at all what the consequences were. Death turned from a curiosity to an open door and my cry for help resulted in me hitting myself with a pint glass. And so, while in shock, I stopped smoking dope and stopped my weekend behaviour of amphetamine, coke and methylenedioxy-n-methylamphetamine. That's when I became psychotic, and heart broken.

What is "death"?

You know the answer to that, Ashim. Remember that film you shared on bring4th several years ago? "Defending Your Life"? That's a pretty cool analogy! Descriptively speaking though, Ra say it best...

104.26 - We leave you in appreciation of the circumstances of the great illusion in which you now choose to play the pipe and timbrel and move in rhythm. We are also players upon a stage. The stage changes. The acts ring down. The lights come up once again. And throughout the grand illusion and the following and the following there is the undergirding majesty of the One Infinite Creator. All is well. Nothing is lost

Back when I was 24 I had realised that all was well and nothing was lost. For some reason my mental breakdown resulted in a type of satori. I guess I needed a pick me up, because to kill myself at the time was the only noble action I could think of. Whenever somebody cries, or feels sad in some way, it all comes flooding back to me, and I can relate to that type of sorrow. The emotional type of not wanting to be here.

So from my experience, death is a liberation, a release from the pain. Looking back on that part of my history, death is equal to freedom

How can it be seen as positive in the grand picture of things?

Well, you simply detach yourself from the not so grand picture. It happened to me, I did not consciously decide it, but there was no where else to go. I did not want to be here and death had a sense of peace to it. Like I said, when I was 12 and realised there was a warm feeling in dying. Ra literally spoke my own thoughts when they said there is no ending to who we are. That was really comforting to me, at the time that I read it. I still have my fears, they certainly do exist! But at the same time I only have to remind myself of that time when everything melted away and I found peace in my heart, without having to kill myself.

I guess that is part of my mission. Please do not kill yourself, stick at it, I am still here and I can share with you how painful it was for me to remain here, I would love to go, right now, but it's a long queue to return, because we have to wait for others to say yes to life and procreate it. We are a long time dead in that regard.

[Mahakali]

I also wanna point out, to whoever's reading this, that I absolutely do not consent to any type of medical, psychological, or occult experimentation, and I don't consent to any damage done to my body, or to any type of physical or psychological torture, training, or conditioning, and that I want to be left alone.

I never intentionally consented, and in cases where I didn't consent, and was attacked regardless, I want to make that clear, as well as in all future cases.

I want to be left alone, and to leave others alone. Keep it up and I'll make sure you regret it.

But don't keep it up. Stop and leave me alone.

[Nicholas]

I also wanna point out, to whoever's reading this, that I absolutely do not consent to any type of medical, psychological, or occult experimentation, and I don't consent to any damage done to my body, or to any type of physical or psychological torture, training, or conditioning, and that I want to be left alone.

I never intentionally consented, and in cases where I didn't consent, and was attacked regardless, I want to make that clear, as well as in all future cases.

I want to be left alone, and to leave others alone. Keep it up and I'll make sure you regret it.

But don't keep it up. Stop and leave me alone.

Hey Mahakali,

I understand the feeling of being backed into a corner all too well. I have no idea what you are going through but it sounds like you are being overly subjective.Your attempts to convey it through written words, via this medium, really does not touch base with your actual experience. I get that. I was attacked with a wood chopping axe in my sleep many years ago so I understand being in total shock and trauma

You can contact me via pm if you want to, whatever you prefer, it's just that I know it is therapeutic to share personal stuff without being judged. My mom is beyond reach at the moment (totally paranoid) and she has nobody else in her life but me. I am going to give her a call tomorrow, but it might be another draining experience.

Mahakali, this is a safe place to park your baggage. This world, the carnage, the insanity, can become weary. On the one hand we are all innocent, yet on the other, every single one of us has blood on our hands in the wider picture. Literally next door to our flat  I was standing outside our local Indian restaurant and I wondered what my Karmic responsibilities were. I immediately looked across the road and on a telegraph pole I noticed this sign.



"Oh s***"

I kid you not, that was my first reaction. We were having a meal at the Indian restaurant next door to our flat (I was smoking a cigarette outside while waiting for the main meal) and my curiosity led me to looking at this image on a telegraph pole on the other side of the road. "Who did I kill?" This was my interpretation of it.I have no clue to be honest, anyway, I just wanted to share that with you. I have blood on my hands, too.

Anyways, another attempt to identify with you is that my peers were travelling Gypsies and I grew up with them in Waltham cross, Greater London. It was a pretty run down council estate and the only way to be accepted was to scrap (fight). They were Irish gypsies and scrapping was how you earned respect. I used to scrap with a kid called Scott, he was the same age as me and I kept on beating him up. We were pushed into it and if you showed fear you would be bullied for it. One day his brothers wanted retribution and they grabbed hold of me and held me against the railings on a bridge, so Scott could duff me up. I got lucky and escaped, but a few years later we met again in high school (Scott got the better of me that time so it felt like closure on the issue ). 

You know what I am on about here, you have to survive, right? I did not want to fight, but in order to be accepted you had  to do something that was entertaining.

Through and beyond high school I realised that I would get attention by being seemingly ballsy, when it was just silly and cowardly really. Real courage is to push the energy higher and resist the fight/flight mindlessness. And so folks used to dare me to do stuff, and usually I would do it. I climbed to the top of a pylon as one example, as I identified with being the entertainer. Anyway that's enough of my anecdotes. You get what I am trying to say.

This is a safe place. As well as a place to explore non physical phenomena, nobody here wishes you any harm, bad lack or anything that does not promote healing. What we wish for you is quite the opposite! But I have seen what happens with my own eyes to folks who refuse to heal. The paranoia, the mistrust, the distrust, the isolation, the biting at people who care about them because of the paranoia. It's not easy to keep your heart open (to remain unafraid and non judgemental) when dense projections are being aimed at you, but the only way to heal is to accept the buck of responsibility and not put out into the world what belongs to us. What we planned on the other side of the veil made sense, where we were born and to whom, our skill set. As for the negative creations in time space, it does not exist in my world because that just feeds it. We always have a choice what to think upon, and we can visualise nice warm chicken soup and a cosy room by the ocean after we die. That's the power of our thoughts as that is what we will create for ourselves if that is our preference. So neggie leaning discarnate others can keep their seeds of fear and falsity. I just turn them into magic love dust and blow it towards them wishing them well. You have that power within you, too, to turn any of your reality into a positive and reject what does not promote your healing. 

As I said, you can chew my ears off in private, if you prefer. Or we can just let it all hang out in public, in this safe place  

You have joined Bring4th, Mahakali, therefore you qualify as an equal member, and of course you are just as free to depart. But as you have chosen to remain I feel it is worthwhile to share a little of myself, and to offer you confidence that there are too many kind and self aware souls here for any rotten eggs to get past our collective armoury of L/L. Even if they did, we can soon turn it into a golden one!

Be well and rest safely.



P.S. The fluffy heart emoticon equates to a hug, btw. No fluff intended. 

[Agua del Cielo]

I'm not afraid of Death on a conscious level, not at all.
then, on the other hand, when observing myself honestly, i can at least figure there must be a lot of fear.
I encountered this (usually not perceivable) Fear of Death in a couple of healing sessions, when i came to re-experience various traumatic experiences.
The ego lives in constantly fear of Death by design i would say.
And i would further say the fear of death is hidden to our everyday consciousness but plays an important part in many life patterns.

[Diana]

I'm not afraid of Death on a conscious level, not at all.
then, on the other hand, when observing myself honestly, i can at least figure there must be a lot of fear.
I encountered this (usually not perceivable) Fear of Death in a couple of healing sessions, when i came to re-experience various traumatic experiences.
The ego lives in constantly fear of Death by design i would say.
And i would further say the fear of death is hidden to our everyday consciousness but plays an important part in many life patterns.

I agree with this. There are many layers to life here in 3D. We cannot completely override survival instincts, which surface when the body is threatened. Intellectually we may not be afraid of death, but there is an abyss of the unknown which resides in our human consciousness regarding death. This abyss is the driving force behind all religions, and because of this force religions gain control over people via their fears. In the new age community there are myths and philosophies and stories to relate that act to demystify and sugarcoat death.

It still must be admitted, however much we read or feel or align with in terms of existence, that we don't really know because we are under the veil.

I suspect that once released from the veil it will be very different from anything we can imagine. But until then, our fears, unacknowledged or acknowledged, get in the way of accepting the cycle of 3D birth, life, death we are in. It's helpful, in my opinion, to try and not construct beliefs around death, and endeavor to stay open and accepting to whatever is.  

[AnthroHeart]

So old people who are dying and yet still smiling in the hospital are afraid of death when they welcome it?

[Aion]

Nah, me and death are old buds.

[Agua del Cielo]

So old people who are dying and yet still smiling in the hospital are afraid of death when they welcome it?

Not necessarily,no!
I think it's possible to reach a point where one can embrace and accept death.
it's probably "easier" once its inevitable.

I am relating more to a lot of unconscious patterns that are ultimately driven by fear of death.
For example, when really suffering, many people (including me) prefer to continue suffering instead of allowing the ego to "die".
Or life patterns that result out of traumatic experiences, which in my opinion are all deeper life patterns; i'm talking about those "Defensive" patterns we have here.
An example would be the unwillingness to really fully incarnate and fully accept living here on 3D earth.
At least in my case and quite some people i know, this could be tracked down to "i wont survive here" issue in the end, which was the result of a life threatening situation in early incarnation stages.
This old fear of death was still present subconsciously and the basic "Drive" of the avoidance pattern.

I also had the experience that people are afraid of overwhelming Love because they fear they wont "survive" it.

Still its perfectly possible to embrace this fear.

[AnthroHeart]

That's kind of funny because if the ego experienced "ego death", the mind/body would experience a great amount of unconditional love that might be hard to handle.

Climbing the steps of light at harvest time might be a little scary. I'm more concerned with how glaring the Light will be rather than how powerful is the Love.

I didn't experience once overwhelming Love, and wasn't afraid. But it was just the right amount to let me know that I am loved.

My mom tells me a story about how when I was a young kid, she heard a voice in the kitchen telling me "Tommy, you're a good boy." But when she came in from the other room there was nobody there. I don't remember it, but my mom said it was a female voice.

I think I am becoming good, at least compared to growing up. I am better now than I was even 5 years ago. And just in the last week or so I have strived to polarize positively.

I agree with you Agua about people being able to accept death.

The universe still shows me things around the concept of Hell, even though I don't believe in it. I guess there's always lessons to learn. Most of the time my fears are irrational.

[Diana]

So old people who are dying and yet still smiling in the hospital are afraid of death when they welcome it?

I didn't mean to insinuate that there actually IS something to be afraid of.

Those folks you mention may have seen the veil drop or thin since they were so close to leaving 3D.  

[Coordinate_Apotheosis]

I think...We all start out fearing Death.

The grim reaper with scythe in hand to harvest the plant of life, you.

When we stop fearing the reaper, we stop fearing the mystery of death.  The unknown, the perceived loss of life.

Instead, then comes the other fears to cover that now exposed base called Death.  It has Pain.  Pain of others, pain of self.

I lie, I say I am not afraid of death, but of the pain that comes with death to myself and others.  In truth, I fear death and dying.

I fear it for the change to me it incites.  I fear it for the pain.  I fear it for its inevitability.  But I fear it most of all, because I love myself...And I don't want to die and become who I was, I don't want to die and go away, despite at times wanting to in order to stop the suffering.  I don't want to change.

Hopefully by the time I die, I'll be so loving and caring, that I won't be able to distinguish myself from my self in death.  I'll just be myself, and enjoy, and continue on, if I'll be anything at all.

I think people who say they don't fear death but the pain of death, are hiding their true human feelings on the matter.  Death and dying are the same.  Even peaceful death brings pain to others, pain you'll know of as if it were your own.

I fear death, yet I'd die for what I believe in, I just would be estranged and greatly in turmoil as to what to do.  To die for something greater than I, or to live to be more as I already am?

Is there really a wrong choice?

[AnthroHeart]

I've read a few sources that say if you die from an accident, your spirit will leave the body just before the accident to spare the pain. And that what is seen as writhing in pain is the body itself.

[Coordinate_Apotheosis]

I so incredibly strongly heavily recommend and suggest to you, Gemini, the following books:

Journey of Souls

Destiny of Souls

Life Between Lives Hypnotherapy

Memories of the Afterlife

[AnthroHeart]

I so incredibly strongly heavily recommend and suggest to you, Gemini, the following books:

Journey of Souls

Destiny of Souls

Life Between Lives Hypnotherapy

Memories of the Afterlife

I've read the first two, but could use reading them again. Thanks for the input.

I'm reading "The More Beautiful World Out Hearts Know is Possible" now.