Personal Experience of "Mind Control"

[Aion]

I think what troubles me most about the contact is how accepting Ra is of the Orion interference and they just seem to 'let it happen' as it were.

I'll admit for myself personally that this aspect of the Ra Material is what makes me most suspect. Some take it as a sign that it was pure, but to me it raises a whole slew of questions as to the 'actual identity' of Ra and whether or not there was two different entities or merely one playing at both sides or what. There being two entities accounts for the 'fluctuation' I experience when reading the material. The more transient, the darker the light. However, that could also be a function of one entity fluctuating, or rather the tuning of the instrument according to the questioning.

The great concern and question is thus - why did it succeed? What lesson do we take from the suggestion? That to pursue the light is ultimately dangerous? I don't think it's an unreasonable caution to question it. Did the group simply make a deleterious mistake? Was it just 'chance' or was it programmed together by their higher selves? If it was, was the negative entity 'in contract' with them? Or did the negative entity appear as 'random' catalyst? The Creator always approaches itself...

What ultimately is the relation between Ra and the negative entity? Ra claimed they are aware of nearly the entire galactic octave except for some of the upper reaches of seventh density so surely they knew 'who' the entity was. However as protection they offered it is better to not have names and instead to focus in on the Creator and loving. Was it Don's difficulty in doing this that made him vulnerable or was it when he took on Carla's accepting that he embraced the negative to his detriment?

Thanks for including some more resources to read on it, might gain some insight through their writings.

[Aion]

Family life was becoming difficult, conversation between myself and my wife more robotic and beginning to turn from a simple lack of  mutual empathy to bouts of outright hostility. I was not fulfilling my role, in her eyes, as breadwinner for the family. She had long attributed my increasing withdrawal  from everyday life to depression, caused by the loss of my business several years ago, but although this had been somewhat of a factor in the past this was not the true reason for my aloofness. I was leading a double life. Despite my wife’s nominal interest in things paranormal it was no longer possible to discuss or even attempt to explain what was happening to me. Any attempt was met by a lack of empathy and a painful reminder of the bills we had to pay and the fact that I was, in her eyes and in those of her family, especially her father, a total loser. He was without doubt the most negative person I had ever encountered in my whole life. If it was a gorgeous sunny day he would be depressed and miserable because bad weather was surely on its way. A man whose sole enjoyment in life was predicting bad news and then being proven right. Since our most recent confrontation at Sunday lunch, where, fueled by red wine and an awful mood, he accused me of being a useless drug addict, I had become his public enemy number one and all channels of communication had been closed. I had replaced the incumbent "worst person on the planet", the guy who lived on the top floor of the flat, who gained this position of such aggravated contempt by making the fatal mistake of depositing a few pieces of his garbage in my father-in-law’s rubbish bin.

My wife and I had no meaningful intimate relations and had not had sex for years. She was never interested, whilst at the same time I could have made the Olympic team for horniness. It was unbearable. I had such a pent up reserve of sexual energy but would not for a moment consider an act of unfaithfulness. I had my principles and this one I was not about to break. I slipped further and further into fantasy worlds with blue skinned alien girls and cosmic teenage orgies.
The channeling however was becoming a more natural and comfortable exercise. I had long accepted the fact that for every positive contact there would be a negative and that actively attempting to block those of negative polarity was an act motivated by fear. When you can overcome fear to a certain extent then you are able to learn and I knew that true wisdom could only be reached by balancing, or  working off this electrical charge. I had become proficient in entering the trance state and could keep the reactive mind silent for increasingly longer periods. I was aware that I should be truly thankful for the efforts of the negative and that through their work I would be able to grow as a spiritual being, but I was, at this stage not able to feel the affection that I thought I ought to have for them. I cleansed and charged my crystals, performed my rituals and became more and more the magic personality that I remembered from my times in Atlantis and Lemuria. 

I became interested in the plight of groups that had developed technologically but not spiritually and made contact with beings who claimed to hail from the Zeta Reticuli system. You may know them as the “greys”. I initially was somewhat fearful of their energies, not to mention their appearance but sensed a willingness to communicate openly and honestly. Likewise I believe they respected my bravery and genuine concern about their existence. They are approaching the end of a path that has seen the evolution of a technically advanced but spiritually weary societal group. I asked them about the abductions and if these were carried out without consent of the abductees. They said no, this was not possible; however humans could be tricked into these scenarios by their own free will. There was a difference, albeit one that was akin to a sleight of hand.  The also explained that there had been negotiations with incarnate humans who had consented to parenting Zetan children. Despite the majority of the social group being of the negative polarity the elders with whom I had made contact had realized that the only conceivable way of averting their  extinction  was a leap of faith in a, for them, totally unexpected direction.

That evening I found myself in trance marveling at a sky full of stars. The brightest of the stars began to descend,  slowly  taking the shape of a jeweled Chrysanthemum. As it approached me, seemingly only a few hundred feet overhead I felt almost overwhelmed as I stared at what I now recognized as being the Mothership from Close Encounters of the Third Kind. It was the Zetans and they were teleporting me on board!
I found myself in what appeared to be a laboratory, lying face up on a flat table. There were several of them in the well illuminated white room. I could sense the presence of the hosts but could not see them. The other operating tables seemed to be empty. I was to be the only guest that night.
Then there was a telepathic communication. My reason for being there was twofold; firstly I was to receive an implant. This would improve my ability for “on demand” telepathic contact with both the Zetans and “machines”.  Secondly I was to be shown how to create “bodies”. I would find this very helpful in respect to completing my mission.  The next thing I remember  was a series of tones, like a bunch of sine waves. I felt in that moment like a snake shedding its skin. There was a pulse, a wave of energy and suddenly I had left the table and was “stuck “to the ceiling of their spacecraft.


"Aha", I recall thinking, “ they just raised my frequency. “


To be continued...
 
 
 

My understanding is that the Zetans were enslaved but there are 'rebel' groups which still operate outside the 'empire'. Some of them are great folk, very helpful but often also seeking assistance in some way, always an exchange.

[Kaaron]

I don't mean to offend, but I am moved greatly into sadness by hearing Don be called crazy.  Could you please elucidate on why you describe him as having gone crazy?  Was he eating bugs or looking into radically irrational ways to do things?

You don't have to speculate. Carla spent many years writing about her experiences after the fact. Jim took over her blog in 2010 after he back surgery, but prior to that she has a lot of writings. Not to mention, Book 5 goes in to a bit of detail as to what happened with Don, and if any of you actually want to know where I make a lot of points about Don/Carla/Jim's life and where I learned nuances, you should also read the almost 600 page book that Gary created with interviews about specific parts of their life. There is plenty of information in there.

Towards the end of the Ra contact (a little over a year before it ended?), Don, Carla, and Jim's landlord was selling the house they were renting. They, at first, were going to buy the house from him, but the owner and Don began to quibble over a $5,000 difference in the asking price. Don wouldn't budge. So, they began looking for houses elsewhere - houses closer to where Don worked, at the airport in Atlanta, since his commute was so long (included driving to an airfield in KY and flying to Atlanta in a puddle jumper). They found a house nearby that was perfect, just a few miles from the airport, but apparently used to be a "party house" for some of the local athletes, so it needed some metaphysical cleaning, and maybe new carpeting, which Don didn't want to pay for. (he was stingy with money according to Carla) After they had visited the house they "should have bought", when they got home a hawk had landed on their porch and then flew away. Jim and Carla saw this as a good sign. Don saw this as a bad sign, because according to him, if they had received NO sign, they would have bought the house. But the hawk seemed like a "wrench" so they kept looking.

Finally they found a house in north Atlanta to which they moved. However, driving from north Atlanta to the airport in south Atlanta in heavy traffic was a worse commute than Don had before, so this was very stressful for the group. Jim told the story in his blog just the other day about how his brakes went out when he was moving their stuff up there - which he regrets not taking as a sign! I think the "hawk" incident, though, is really when Don's paranoia began to creep in. He also began to get more paranoid about Jim and Carla's relationship (as Don began to withdraw more, Jim and Carla spent more time together - but essentially Don was always Carla's everything). And the house in north Atlanta was horrible. As things progressed along, he got more and more paranoid, even telling Carla which chairs she was able to sit in because he was sure the others were bugged. He grabbed Carla once so hard to hug and kiss her that he bruised her arm - which is extra weird because he wasn't ever physically affectionate with her, but this was a function of his paranoia telling him that he was "losing her to Jim". He stopped eating. Jim and Carla knew he was going to die, he had lost like 60lbs, and he was extremely paranoid, so they called the police to try to have him committed. When the police got there, they took over the situation and wouldn't let Jim and Carla help calm down - all they were worried about was that he had a gun, and they had to stop the crazy man with the gun. So they wouldn't let Carla talk to him, she had to wait at the neighbor's house, and eventually Don gave up, because he didn't want to go die in a hospital, or have the police shoot him, so took his own life and died in his home.

Jim also hints to a story that it's possible that Don willingly gave himself to the negative 5th density entity who was primarily targeting Carla. Ra mentioned that Don and Carla had a "deleterious energy transfer" in which Don became the "weak and foolish one".

Don always had guns. Don was a military guy and also a trick shooter, so he always had guns, even when it made Jim and Carla uncomfortable. I think, even, the story goes that Carla tried to remove most of the guns from the house, but this one remained either unbeknownst to her or with her okay that "one was fine/necessary for protection".  

Don became increasingly more and more paranoid before he died. Carla talks about this quite openly. It's a very sad story. After Don died, Carla was bed ridden for like, 8 years? Something like that? So she basically almost died too. The efforts the group sustained to receive this information were no joke.

My apologies if my use of "crazy" offends anyone or anything. I'm just trying to make a point. Don devolved into pretty heavily onset paranoid schizophrenia, at least it seems from my perspective that he would have been diagnosed that way. Then he killed himself. Do I believe he would followed this life pattern if they hadn't had the Ra contact? No, I emphatically do not. I think his suicide was a function of the Ra contact, of the deliberate workings of the 5th density negative entity, and even a warning to others about attempting this work.

All along, Don had a lot of trouble opening his heart chakra. I think this was his true weakness. He had made a personal decision as a young man to look at everything objectively and to not be swayed by emotions. By the time he was in his 60s, opening his heart was so painful and scary to him. He wasn't prepared at all. Carla said after their energy transfer, he became so soft hearted he began crying while watching commercials. He was not prepared to begin looking at the world from this new angle.

Anyway, this is the recitation of events to the best of my knowledge. I probably left some stuff out. But according to the indepth descriptions Carla gives of Don in Tilting At Windmills, he doesn't seem like the type who would have committed suicide in a regular set of occurrences. Don had lots of friends, and enjoyed working greatly. He was social and gregarious, and everyone loved him. But, they had a 5th density negative entity who was INTENT on removing the lives of at least one of the group, to stop the contact, according to Ra at least. And it succeeded.

I'm going through the EXACT same thing right now.
I think we're connected. My partner even had the vision that changed her life on 7 November, the day Don passed.

[Coordinate_Apotheosis]

Jade, I feel like it's an understatement to call you helpful.

You deserve a Jade Star, thank you for your help

[Kaaron]

I'm sorry SMC. I have been in the darkest place I've ever been in for a while now. I shouldn't give the darkness a voice. I should meditate and find a balanced perspective before typing. I've been really blunt n apologize for that. I wish you healing energy and love.

[Coordinate_Apotheosis]

Kaaron, SMC, please know I love you both for all you've been and done

And to all the pain you both know, I wish it healing, and I give to it my light.

This is a great thread.  Ashim, you really know how to move people

I have questions for Jade but I want to not impede on Ashim's thread, so Jade, I can't find a word to describe an extremely helpful person, so I'll just attach it to you urban dictionary style:
'Jade': An extremely thoughtful and helpful person full of humility to all the jerks encountered;
A humble person who offers as much as receives, ie, "That person is a total Jade, did you see how helpful they were to that rude customer, just taking their attitude and being humble and thoughtful anyway!"

Back on topic, if I may suggest, Ashim, maybe edit each post or chapter into your OP so those newly tuning in don't need to sift through the off topic distractions from your shared experiences~

[Verum Occultum]

I have questions for Jade but I want to not impede on Ashim's thread, so Jade, I can't find a word to describe an extremely helpful person, so I'll just attach it to you urban dictionary style:
'Jade': An extremely thoughtful and helpful person full of humility to all the jerks encountered;
A humble person who offers as much as receives, ie, "That person is a total Jade, did you see how helpful they were to that rude customer, just taking their attitude and being humble and thoughtful anyway!"

I like this very much.

[Infinite Unity]

Aw, naw it's okay.

I like the idea of a like/dislike system, but some part of me feels like it plays into the ego for some people, such as thinking 'will people like this post?' which might effect and change the way people would naturally openly and spontaneously express themselves.

I don't personally feel like anyone has ganged up on me, I was more infringingly speaking for Smc.  Just know, when I read Kaaron's remark, the one smc pointed out in:

I see many people have 'liked' your opinion of me being "arrogant".

Many forum members have 'liked' this:

And of which included a remark:

You wanna cast insults and get personal...lets go...I got nothing but time.

I literally in my mind just saw this:



So my interpretation of the situation was apparently way off.

I apologize for this!  Sorry!

I don't know beyond that much more going on regards the social interacting dynamics in this thread, I was just pointing out in that post that there was a conflict in this thread, and it was a good opportunity for people like Kaaron and smc, and all of us emotionally effected by each other's words, to connect and provide love to one another.  You know, forgive, understand!  Love

Yes sir or mam I do! Forgive, understand, love.

[Infinite Unity]

No your definitely right coordinate.

[APeacefulWarrior]

I think what troubles me most about the contact is how accepting Ra is of the Orion interference and they just seem to 'let it happen' as it were.

I'll admit for myself personally that this aspect of the Ra Material is what makes me most suspect. Some take it as a sign that it was pure, but to me it raises a whole slew of questions as to the 'actual identity' of Ra and whether or not there was two different entities or merely one playing at both sides or what. There being two entities accounts for the 'fluctuation' I experience when reading the material. The more transient, the darker the light. However, that could also be a function of one entity fluctuating, or rather the tuning of the instrument according to the questioning.

The great concern and question is thus - why did it succeed? What lesson do we take from the suggestion? That to pursue the light is ultimately dangerous? I don't think it's an unreasonable caution to question it. Did the group simply make a deleterious mistake? Was it just 'chance' or was it programmed together by their higher selves? If it was, was the negative entity 'in contract' with them? Or did the negative entity appear as 'random' catalyst? The Creator always approaches itself...

What ultimately is the relation between Ra and the negative entity? Ra claimed they are aware of nearly the entire galactic octave except for some of the upper reaches of seventh density so surely they knew 'who' the entity was. However as protection they offered it is better to not have names and instead to focus in on the Creator and loving. Was it Don's difficulty in doing this that made him vulnerable or was it when he took on Carla's accepting  that he embraced the negative to his detriment?

Thanks for including some more resources to read on it, might gain some insight through their writings.

Ra doesn't interfere for the same reason Congress doesn't dictate Game Of Thrones plotlines, or compel GRRM to reveal who survives.

I'm sorry if that sounds harsh, but there's a reason Ra consistently used words like "illusion" and "dream" to describe the 3D realms.  There's a reason that, in the very first session, Ra said that "there is no polarity" and referred to it thereafter as a distortion.  There's a reason Ra, over and over, tried to discourage questioners from focusing too heavily on "transient" matters relating solely to 3D life, conspiracy theories, and similar topics.

Fundamentally, the battles between positive and negative are just games.  Stories.  Dreams.

These dreams serve useful purposes.  They give entities a chance to learn and grow and experience things.  They allow the Creator to continue exploring itself to the fullest possible extent.  They give folks something to do to pass time in infinity.  But at the end of the day, every entity no matter how "good" or "bad" is still on a road that will eventually lead them to abandon such pastimes and rejoin the Creator in Oneness.

Not to mention, of course, that Intelligent Infinity is there and equally accessible to all entities, positive or negative, without any prejudice.

Ra wanted those hearing\reading his words to try to look beyond such things.  For them to at least comprehend how little the outcome of any particular "battle" means in the grand scheme, even if they weren't ready to abandon such games yet.  After all, even the worst and most horrific possible 3D life is an eyeblink in the totality of experience an entity will accumulate in its journey from second to seventh density.  And either way, at the end of each incarnated veiled life, the veil lifts and -even at worst- it's more or less like waking up from a bad dream.

Withholding the name of the negative entity and encouraging the group (and everyone else) to focus on loving/oneness was entirely consistent with his basic goal of teaching The Law of One.  And, on the other hand, giving the name of that entity -besides potentially infringing on its own free will- would entirely run counter to the LOO.  Because that negative entity is still part of Oneness, and encouraging\enabling an escalation of hostility between the group and it would undermine the entire point of his teachings.

[Infinite Unity]

Exactly so just sit back, and enjoy the type of picnic you enjoy.

[Aion]

I like to question things.

[Nía]

I am Ra. (...) We could not speak to this and shall not guide you, for the nature of this contact is such that the purity of your free will must, above all things, be preserved. Thus you wend your way through experiences discovering those biases which may be helpful.

-`ღ´-

[Nía]

This is lagging behind the discussion a fair bit now (sorry), but as I've been re-reading the books, I might as well, in addition to the one Jade posted, paste some of the other relevant quotes in regards to Ra's requirements for a channel and support group (in chronological order):

I am Ra. (...) We have searched for an instrument of the proper parameters of distortion in mind/body/spirit complex and supporting and understanding group of mind/body/spirit complexes to accept this information with minimal distortion and maximal desire to serve for some of your years. The answer, in short, is yes. However, we wished you to know that in our memory we thank you.

I am Ra. We shall. Firstly, the choosing of this group to do some work to serve others was of an intensive nature. Each present sacrificed much for no tangible result. Each may search its heart for the type of sacrifice, knowing that the material sacrifices are the least; the intensive commitment to blending into an harmonious group at the apex of sacrifice. Under these conditions we found your vibration. We observed your vibration. It will not be seen often. We do not wish to puff up the pride, but we shall not chaffer with the circumstances necessary for our particular contact. Thus you have received and we willingly undertake the honor/duty of continuing to offer transmissions of concepts which are, to the best of our abilities, precise in nature and grounded in the attempt to unify many of those things that concern you.

I am Ra. (...) The unique characteristic of the workings which the social memory complex Ra and your group have begun is the intent to serve others with the highest attempt at near purity which we as comrades may achieve.
(...)
We may say once again two notes: Firstly, we searched long to find an appropriate channel or instrument and an appropriate support group. If this opportunity is ended we shall be grateful for that which has been done, but the possibility/probability vortices indicating the location of this configuration again are slight. Secondly, we thank you for we know what you sacrifice in order to do that which you as a group wish to do.

71.21 Questioner: When you say you searched for this group what do you mean? What was your process of search? I ask this question to understand more the illusion of time and space.

Ra: I am Ra. Consider the process of one who sees the spectrograph of some complex of elements. It is a complex paint sample, let us say for ease of description. We of Ra knew the needed elements for communication which had any chance of enduring. We compared our color chip to many individuals and groups over a long span of your time. Your spectrograph matches our sample.

In response to your desire to see the relationship betwixt space/time and time/space, may we say that we conducted this search in time/space, for in this illusion one may quite readily see entities as vibratory complexes and groups as harmonics within vibratory complexes.

I am Ra. (...) There is a turning point, a fulcrum which swings as a mind/body/spirit complex tunes its will to service. If this will and desire is for service to others the corresponding polarity will be activated. In the circumstance of this group there are three such wills acting as one with the instrument in the, shall we say, central position of fidelity to service. This is as it must be for the balance of the working and the continuance of the contact. Our vibratory complex is one-pointed in these workings also and our will to serve is also of some degree of purity.

[Infinite Unity]

As him its been over a week. Plan on continuing? If you no longer wish to post it publicly, I would ask that you tell it to me by pm. I am very interested in your story good sir. Please continue, or send it to me by pm. If you don't wish to do either, I understand.

[flofrog]

I think what troubles me most about the contact is how accepting Ra is of the Orion interference and they just seem to 'let it happen' as it were.

I'll admit for myself personally that this aspect of the Ra Material is what makes me most suspect. Some take it as a sign that it was pure, but to me it raises a whole slew of questions as to the 'actual identity' of Ra and whether or not there was two different entities or merely one playing at both sides or what. There being two entities accounts for the 'fluctuation' I experience when reading the material. The more transient, the darker the light. However, that could also be a function of one entity fluctuating, or rather the tuning of the instrument according to the questioning.

The great concern and question is thus - why did it succeed? What lesson do we take from the suggestion? That to pursue the light is ultimately dangerous? I don't think it's an unreasonable caution to question it. Did the group simply make a deleterious mistake? Was it just 'chance' or was it programmed together by their higher selves? If it was, was the negative entity 'in contract' with them? Or did the negative entity appear as 'random' catalyst? The Creator always approaches itself...

What ultimately is the relation between Ra and the negative entity? Ra claimed they are aware of nearly the entire galactic octave except for some of the upper reaches of seventh density so surely they knew 'who' the entity was. However as protection they offered it is better to not have names and instead to focus in on the Creator and loving. Was it Don's difficulty in doing this that made him vulnerable or was it when he took on Carla's accepting  that he embraced the negative to his detriment?

Thanks for including some more resources to read on it, might gain some insight through their writings.

Ra doesn't interfere for the same reason Congress doesn't dictate Game Of Thrones plotlines, or compel GRRM to reveal who survives.

I'm sorry if that sounds harsh, but there's a reason Ra consistently used words like "illusion" and "dream" to describe the 3D realms.  There's a reason that, in the very first session, Ra said that "there is no polarity" and referred to it thereafter as a distortion.  There's a reason Ra, over and over, tried to discourage questioners from focusing too heavily on "transient" matters relating solely to 3D life, conspiracy theories, and similar topics.

Fundamentally, the battles between positive and negative are just games.  Stories.  Dreams.

These dreams serve useful purposes.  They give entities a chance to learn and grow and experience things.  They allow the Creator to continue exploring itself to the fullest possible extent.  They give folks something to do to pass time in infinity.  But at the end of the day, every entity no matter how "good" or "bad" is still on a road that will eventually lead them to abandon such pastimes and rejoin the Creator in Oneness.

Not to mention, of course, that Intelligent Infinity is there and equally accessible to all entities, positive or negative, without any prejudice.

Ra wanted those hearing\reading his words to try to look beyond such things.  For them to at least comprehend how little the outcome of any particular "battle" means in the grand scheme, even if they weren't ready to abandon such games yet.  After all, even the worst and most horrific possible 3D life is an eyeblink in the totality of experience an entity will accumulate in its journey from second to seventh density.  And either way, at the end of each incarnated veiled life, the veil lifts and -even at worst- it's more or less like waking up from a bad dream.

Withholding the name of the negative entity and encouraging the group (and everyone else) to focus on loving/oneness was entirely consistent with his basic goal of teaching The Law of One.  And, on the other hand, giving the name of that entity -besides potentially infringing on its own free will- would entirely run counter to the LOO.  Because that negative entity is still part of Oneness, and encouraging\enabling an escalation of hostility between the group and it would undermine the entire point of his teachings.

Peaceful Warrior, I feel so much this too. There are definitely once in a while questions by Don that are going slightly sideways and Ra always very kindly redirects to what the more important thing is, and it always feels good when he does so.

I am not like you all here, a long time student of the books, but I am done now with the last one, and I find it such a remarkable studying material...

[smc]

(Infinite Unity) Well I know a couple people on here, not naming names, but do not like how SMC seems to think she is the Grand Minister or Guardian of the forums.  She is always sticking her nose in on threads and acting as if she was the only one with grand wisdom. Just like this thread there are many threads she has derailed on her ideologies of what is. The op of this thread stated originally this is a story, he does not proclaim it to be absolute truth. Yet here we are with this thread all derailed and off track from her personal ideologies. Whicare find to have, but you can't go around projecting them as if they were the ultimate representation.

Infinite Unity - It wasn't me that "derailed" this thread:

the first query to Ashim was from Nía:

Ashim, that's an interesting and fascinating story of yours. However, and this is absolutely not to doubt or belittle your experiences, but just a warm suggestion to take care: Are you sure about Ra being the source of your channeled information (you will be aware that it is extremely rare that Ra are even able to verbally communicate to someone in 3D; see their own explanations in the LOO Book I/The Ra material)? What you have reported here, does not sound like Ra at all. Are you aware of that? Have you been challenging the source of your information thoroughly (see A Channeling Handbook)?

-`ღ´-

the second was from Aaron:

Many people wish to speak for Ra. This is because Ra is seen as trustworthy. Some would seek to misplace that trust for personal gain.

It is well to keep in mind the prerequisite circumstances of the Ra contact, and the tremendous effort needed to produce the Law of One material. It required 3 incarnate entities, 2 of which being wanderers from Ra social memory complex. It required preincarnational planning by those 3 entities and many more discarnate entities. Once Carla, Jim, and Don were born and grown and in a position to make the contact, it required cooperation and teamwork from those 3 entities and the many discarnate entities. It required absolute purity (ALL ego aside) to maintain the tuning of the contact day to day.

It is also pertinent to maintain the distinction between communication that is coming from the veiled 3rd density egoic mind, and communication that is coming directly from the 6th density higher self through the subconscious mind.

We should not take the words of anyone who comes along and claims to be speaking for Ra at face value. What begins as simple suspension of disbelief progresses to harmless entertainment and before you know it, confusion and disinformation gains credibility.

the third Nía again:

I cannot verify the truth content of this, and I surely don't want to say this is the case for anyone here, but this text might be interesting to read (at least the summary on the bottom of the start page), especially as the text has been written with the Ra contact in mind: (link) When Negative Entities Are the Source of Channeled Information(link)
-`ღ´-

the fourth from Jade:

I'm personally always skeptical when someone channels Ra because Carla was CONSTANTLY in danger of being "duped" by the 5th density entity who mimicked Ra. When she was conscious channeling Q'uo once, and desired to contact Ra, that was one time the entity almost got her. So, conscious channeling Ra always seemed like a bad idea to me, especially considering there are infinite other entities out there who can be contacted who will tell the same story, if you really want to channel. I always thought it was safest to just work on being a channel for my higher self.

I'm skeptical of this story because it involves a channeled entity encouraging the use of synthetic chemicals that I've only heard terrible things about and have seen terrible things happen to people who take them regularly.

But I still look forward to hearing the rest of the story.

and it wasn't until many posts after that --> in fact the 25th post to the thread
that I wrote my first post agreeing with Nia, Aaron and Jade.

so, Infinite Unity - I did not "derail" this thread....
or - as you put it:

"all derailed and off track from her personal ideologies"

Next:

Your unkind (and inaccurate) words: "SMC seems to think she is the Grand Minister or Guardian of the forums.  She is always sticking her nose in on threads and acting as if she was the only one with grand wisdom. Just like this thread there are many threads she has derailed on her ideologies of what is. The op of this thread stated originally this is a story, he does not proclaim it to be absolute truth. Yet here we are with this thread all derailed and off track from her personal ideologies."
have been "liked" by 7 members.

Fortunately this doesn't hurt as most members are faceless strangers who I don't know and have never met

- but it is an instance of a very unkind personal assessment of me, and I'm very disappointed that the mods have allowed it to remain for all to see.

Anyhoo - I've avoided recent participation to examine this "catalyst" - instead, rereading a lot of my B4 posts for self reflection/self examination.

Results?
I can see I have a very 'firm', intense and didactic manner.  I'm mostly diplomatic - but I do write in a very 'direct' way a lot of the time.

Explanation?
I don't have time in my life to always phrase my words in an acceptably 'gentle' way. If I did, it might help some members feel less defensive, and more open to my ideas.
But I just don't have the time these days; and I've noticed that when I've been more 'gentle' I'm still disrespected by certain members anyway.

In my assessment (over a few years) when posting here, there usually feels a need to meet a dominant egregore with equal strength.
ie: - these forums require an overly assertive 'tone' and this is innate to interactions on B4 long before I came along.
So I've come and gone and come back again and this time found myself more detached from the negativity that comes my way when I assert myself and my ideas.

I respect myself; and I don't allow passive-aggressive disrespect from others towards me.

If you'd survived what I have, you'd totally understand why. But people don't know my story as I've never trusted this forum enough to share it. A Catch 22.

As well as refusing to be disrespected; I've had decades of complex discussion with friends, relatives, at universities, forums, conferences etc, about politics and metaphysics - so though younger B4 members ideas and beliefs are very important and interesting to me; a fair bit of discussion here is "been there - done that".
(Or better said: "been there - researched that for a decade, looked into that, experienced that, felt that, suffered that, survived that, questioned that, disproved that, proved that, etc etc etc.)

But I do need to learn to back away and look at what I don't know - return my focus to what I still need to learn.
In my daily life I'm doing this - but as I've said before - these forums can create much defensiveness in participants - me included.

What else?  
It's very worrying to read threads that show
- that there isn't support (as a matter of course) for the equality for women
- that white people don't understand that we have (an automatic) privilege in life (to varying degrees)
- homophobia

~

Apotheosis Coordinate.... no - I'm not becoming "a monster"... the intensity and strength required to 'go into battle' with negative thought forms requires a very strong energy  - and yes you were projecting and not being able to view me independent from your self-referential perspective. (Olive branch accepted and much appreciation of your openness, your caring and your new energy in posting on B4.)

~

Infinite Unity - where does this leave us?

What we can agree on is that Ashim has stopped sharing what matters to him... he's currently silent on this thread, and all of Bring 4th should care about where he is 'at' with his story, this thread, and all this feedback to him.

I don't renege on feeling that the feedback for Ashim was needed... but it concerns me that the situation seems to now be at a stalemate.

I've said I have strong views on hallucinogens - not that they can't be useful and enlightening in supportive environments in measured doses - but that spiritual seekers in such a stressful harsh world - using known toxic and randomly created chemicals to "blow open the upper energy centres" are putting their sanity and spiritual safety at great risk.

So, though delivered sternly, my contribution on this thread agreeing with people who posted before I did - comes from LOVE.
Why else would I take the time? (I could be surfing instead of sitting here typing!)

It's also love for Carla/Don/Jim and Ra... and for Ashim too ! I want him to be safe, and happy, and to share with us spiritual/metaphysical  experiences that he's experienced through safe methods.

~


Kaaron - your apology is lovely; thank you for it, I feel the good intentions in it


~


I sincerely hope we all find interpersonal benefit from teach/learning here on B4.

I'm very willing to look at myself if people are respectful - not hostile.

Additionally, I'm an empath/clairvoyant... so when I read people's posts I feel your energetic state/s and it can be very overwhelming and painful for me. If you dislike me or hate me that is your issue - but to feel your dislike of me (and often - yourselves) is very intense for me (psychically) - and this is also why my responses are so intense in reply.

I'm reacting to the energy within your posts.

~

[Coordinate_Apotheosis]

I too feel kind of bad for interceding Ashim's thread...

I can't say I've recently noticed any threads that show
- that there isn't support (as a matter of course) for the equality for women
- that white people don't understand that we have (an automatic) privilege in life (to varying degrees)
- homophobia

Although I can certainly say these things ARE ALL RAMPANT in some areas of society, if you're one of the people fighting them, please, take my strength with you!

And just know, it's in those intense energies that one can lose track of the line they tread.  The line does blur, and sometimes no gentleness or firmness can change how people view someone standing upon that blurred line.  We all might be wrong, you might be wrong, everyone might be wrong, we don't know and have the ironic duty of determining this for ourselves with or without the help of others.

I have many thoughts and remarks regards some of the openness the moderation team has, but overall it's up to them.  I appreciate what they do but ponder if a more firm stance might not be more helpful, but I've always felt some firmness is needed yet with a fine balance for discussions such as these.  I'm not much better than I was SMC, I just have the mistakes prior to help me not repeat them now...  Could you imagine how messed up it'd be if I met you with what I perceived to be the energies I saw in your posts?  It'd be me attacking Monica all over again! I do not want that!

BUT, I do just want you to know I love you and your posts, as I do everyone and their posts, and hope you don't stop posting.  As someone called me, 'stimulating' to the forums, I think you fit this description too and are needed here for us all to reflect on our perceptions of ourselves and others more clearly.  I'm happy you took some punches and shook it off like a bad ass, I would not be as strong as you in that position.

Anyway, with all of that said, I do want to hear the rest of the experiences had!  Ashim, won't you continue your story? Please?
(Won't we, everyone???)

[flofrog]

SMC and C A. I just love you both. I so love that there is so much intense work, by each one here, on the Ra material, and so much desire to talk about ideas, one's path, and feelings.

Ashim, I hope you come back,

[anon_guy24526]

Next:

Your unkind (and inaccurate) words: "SMC seems to think she is the Grand Minister or Guardian of the forums. She is always sticking her nose in on threads and acting as if she was the only one with grand wisdom. Just like this thread there are many threads she has derailed on her ideologies of what is. The op of this thread stated originally this is a story, he does not proclaim it to be absolute truth. Yet here we are with this thread all derailed and off track from her personal ideologies."
have been "liked" by 7 members.

This.
What you got here is typically why Ra would never even try to fight any battles with negative entities, as soon as he started to instruct people how to act out, he would be dragged into the battle and the material would have lost its unbiased nature.
Any of you trying to "win" this debate will be doomed to the same failure, hence why after a certain spiritual development the battle between the polarities ceases ( it is basically a stealthy attempt of the negative polarity to gain/steal strength/energy/power from positive ones ).

[Ashim]

Ok, I have more or less completed the first third of the story. I would like, with your kind permission, to start again. The story is called "The Channel".
I will be making my way to the Elephant House this week to perhaps make some slight amendments and upload the files.
What format would you all prefer? How should I post my story? I really like the fact that members can add their comments chapter by chapter.
This is something that I just have to do. I don't care if folks don't like my tale but I sure would be excited if they did, or found it entertaining in some way.

I'm really happy that this thread has stimulated so much productive conversation.
Brace yourself for the continuation.

[Ashim]

1./

Lemuria had been smoldering for days or even weeks. The city taking in most of the valley floor seemed dead. Dusted with a layer of grey ash and lit only by sporadic fires you could not imagine a less hospitable place. Survivors of the last wave had made their way up into the barren nature-less hills. No one spoke. The futility of the situation had dampened all remaining spirit. There was nowhere to escape to. Everyone knew that they were doomed.

The Court knew that the Queen had been fighting a losing battle for some time and had been denying the true severity of matters.
The arrival of the Horsemen left them all gutted. They bolted into town with the most incredible display of horsemanship ever witnessed. Physically excellent “Alpha” males, it was not easy not to be impressed by their presence. The Queen fainted as we all arrived at the court. All Royal Family knew the prophecy and the significance of these events. A list of names was shown, the identity of the horsemen made known before the party started. The horsemen appeared to have the most fun, drinking, raping and generally making fun of the Queen and her entourage. Rubbing in the proverbial salt. Each horseman made a speech but nobody listened.
I left the party, deciding to be on the move rather than sticking it out with them.

There was no transport so I walked into the hills. I had managed not to lose my handbag. I felt a little proud of this achievement. After several hours I overtook a couple, arguing, making little progress. They kept close behind me for the rest of the afternoon, but with no communication. People had been programmed to communicate only in certain ways. A normal cordial discourse being impossible.

I felt saddened that I had failed in my mission to offer Service. My thoughts were with my lovers and family.
The unchanging bland scenery and permanent twilight allowed me to enter the dream state and work with Intelligent Energy.
I recall a certain “paying of debts” and “settling of old issues”.

People were resting. Looking back at the burning city.
Suddenly I remembered something about “The Game”. There are a few cheats.
There was hardly any time left. I fumbled around in my bag looking for the communicator device. It worked! I could sent just one message. I knew I must choose wisely. I sent it.

Minutes before the detonation you could sense the fear in the air.
It’s funny because I remember thinking, “duck and cover” and how futile that was, before jumping off the side of the path into a ditch. And then it happened. The flash in the sky that I had seen time after time.
There was no fear, for I knew of the One Creator, the continuity of consciousness and that whatever happened, that all would be well.

[Coordinate_Apotheosis]

Ok, I have more or less completed the first third of the story. I would like, with your kind permission, to start again. The story is called "The Channel".
I will be making my way to the Elephant House this week to perhaps make some slight amendments and upload the files.
What format would you all prefer? How should I post my story? I really like the fact that members can add their comments chapter by chapter.
This is something that I just have to do. I don't care if folks don't like my tale  but I sure would be excited if they did, or found it entertaining in some way.

I'm really happy that this thread has stimulated so much productive conversation.
Brace yourself for the continuation.

This inspires me to consider posting my own stories.

If you upload this you should consider rich text format (.rtf) alongside .doc or .docx formats.  But I feel .rtf format is a good safe bet.

[Aion]

/eatspopcorn

I think this is one of the best threads I've seen in awhile. Lots of nitty gritty and loving 'real' emotions coming out.

[Infinite Unity]

(Infinite Unity) Well I know a couple people on here, not naming names, but do not like how SMC seems to think she is the Grand Minister or Guardian of the forums.  She is always sticking her nose in on threads and acting as if she was the only one with grand wisdom. Just like this thread there are many threads she has derailed on her ideologies of what is. The op of this thread stated originally this is a story, he does not proclaim it to be absolute truth. Yet here we are with this thread all derailed and off track from her personal ideologies. Whicare find to have, but you can't go around projecting them as if they were the ultimate representation.

Infinite Unity - It wasn't me that "derailed" this thread:

the first query to Ashim was from Nía:

Ashim, that's an interesting and fascinating story of yours. However, and this is absolutely not to doubt or belittle your experiences, but just a warm suggestion to take care: Are you sure about Ra being the source of your channeled information (you will be aware that it is extremely rare that Ra are even able to verbally communicate to someone in 3D; see their own explanations in the LOO Book I/The Ra material)? What you have reported here, does not sound like Ra at all. Are you aware of that? Have you been challenging the source of your information thoroughly (see A Channeling Handbook)?

-`ღ´-

the second was from Aaron:

Many people wish to speak for Ra. This is because Ra is seen as trustworthy. Some would seek to misplace that trust for personal gain.

It is well to keep in mind the prerequisite circumstances of the Ra contact, and the tremendous effort needed to produce the Law of One material. It required 3 incarnate entities, 2 of which being wanderers from Ra social memory complex. It required preincarnational planning by those 3 entities and many more discarnate entities. Once Carla, Jim, and Don were born and grown and in a position to make the contact, it required cooperation and teamwork from those 3 entities and the many discarnate entities. It required absolute purity (ALL ego aside) to maintain the tuning of the contact day to day.

It is also pertinent to maintain the distinction between communication that is coming from the veiled 3rd density egoic mind, and communication that is coming directly from the 6th density higher self through the subconscious mind.

We should not take the words of anyone who comes along and claims to be speaking for Ra at face value. What begins as simple suspension of disbelief progresses to harmless entertainment and before you know it, confusion and disinformation gains credibility.

the third Nía again:

I cannot verify the truth content of this, and I surely don't want to say this is the case for anyone here, but this text might be interesting to read (at least the summary on the bottom of the start page), especially as the text has been written with the Ra contact in mind: (link) When Negative Entities Are the Source of Channeled Information(link)  
-`ღ´-

the fourth from Jade:

I'm personally always skeptical when someone channels Ra because Carla was CONSTANTLY in danger of being "duped" by the 5th density entity who mimicked Ra. When she was conscious channeling Q'uo once, and desired to contact Ra, that was one time the entity almost got her. So, conscious channeling Ra always seemed like a bad idea to me, especially considering there are infinite other entities out there who can be contacted who will tell the same story, if you really want to channel. I always thought it was safest to just work on being a channel for my higher self.

I'm skeptical of this story because it involves a channeled entity encouraging the use of synthetic chemicals that I've only heard terrible things about and have seen terrible things happen to people who take them regularly.

But I still look forward to hearing the rest of the story.

and it wasn't until many posts after that --> in fact the 25th post to the thread
that I wrote my first post agreeing with Nia, Aaron and Jade.

so, Infinite Unity - I did not "derail" this thread....
or - as you put it:

"all derailed and off track from her personal ideologies"

Next:

Your unkind (and inaccurate) words: "SMC seems to think she is the Grand Minister or Guardian of the forums.  She is always sticking her nose in on threads and acting as if she was the only one with grand wisdom. Just like this thread there are many threads she has derailed on her ideologies of what is. The op of this thread stated originally this is a story, he does not proclaim it to be absolute truth. Yet here we are with this thread all derailed and off track from her personal ideologies."
have been "liked" by 7 members.

Fortunately this doesn't hurt as most members are faceless strangers who I don't know and have never met

- but it is an instance of a very unkind personal assessment of me, and I'm very disappointed that the mods have allowed it to remain for all to see.

Anyhoo - I've avoided recent participation to examine this "catalyst" - instead, rereading a lot of my B4 posts for self reflection/self examination.

Results?
I can see I have a very 'firm', intense and didactic manner.  I'm mostly diplomatic - but I do write in a very 'direct' way a lot of the time.

Explanation?
I don't have time in my life to always phrase my words in an acceptably 'gentle' way. If I did, it might help some members feel less defensive, and more open to my ideas.
But I just don't have the time these days; and I've noticed that when I've been more 'gentle' I'm still disrespected by certain members anyway.

In my assessment (over a few years) when posting here, there usually feels a need to meet a dominant egregore with equal strength.
ie: - these forums require an overly assertive 'tone' and this is innate to interactions on B4 long before I came along.
So I've come and gone and come back again and this time found myself more detached from the negativity that comes my way when I assert myself and my ideas.

I respect myself; and I don't allow passive-aggressive disrespect from others towards me.

If you'd survived what I have, you'd totally understand why. But people don't know my story as I've never trusted this forum enough to share it. A Catch 22.

As well as refusing to be disrespected; I've had decades of complex discussion with friends, relatives, at universities, forums, conferences etc, about politics and metaphysics - so though younger B4 members ideas and beliefs are very important and interesting to me; a fair bit of discussion here is "been there - done that".
(Or better said: "been there - researched that for a decade, looked into that, experienced that, felt that, suffered that, survived that, questioned that, disproved that, proved that, etc etc etc.)

But I do need to learn to back away and look at what I don't know - return my focus to what I still need to learn.
In my daily life I'm doing this - but as I've said before - these forums can create much defensiveness in participants - me included.

What else?  
It's very worrying to read threads that show
- that there isn't support (as a matter of course) for the equality for women
- that white people don't understand that we have (an automatic) privilege in life (to varying degrees)
- homophobia

~

Apotheosis Coordinate.... no - I'm not becoming "a monster"... the intensity and strength required to 'go into battle' with negative thought forms requires a very strong energy  - and yes you were projecting and not being able to view me independent from your self-referential perspective. (Olive branch accepted and much appreciation of your openness, your caring and your new energy in posting on B4.)

~

Infinite Unity - where does this leave us?

What we can agree on is that Ashim has stopped sharing what matters to him... he's currently silent on this thread, and all of Bring 4th should care about where he is 'at' with his story, this thread, and all this feedback to him.

I don't renege on feeling that the feedback for Ashim was needed... but it concerns me that the situation seems to now be at a stalemate.

I've said I have strong views on hallucinogens - not that they can't be useful and enlightening in supportive environments in measured doses - but that spiritual seekers in such a stressful harsh world - using known toxic and randomly created chemicals to "blow open the upper energy centres" are putting their sanity and spiritual safety at great risk.

So, though delivered sternly, my contribution on this thread agreeing with people who posted before I did - comes from LOVE.
Why else would I take the time? (I could be surfing instead of sitting here typing!)

It's also love for Carla/Don/Jim and Ra... and for Ashim too ! I want him to be safe, and happy, and to share with us spiritual/metaphysical  experiences that he's experienced through safe methods.

~


Kaaron - your apology is lovely; thank you for it, I feel the good intentions in it


~


I sincerely hope we all find interpersonal benefit from teach/learning here on B4.

I'm very willing to look at myself if people are respectful - not hostile.

Additionally, I'm an empath/clairvoyant... so when I read people's posts I feel your energetic state/s and it can be very overwhelming and painful for me. If you dislike me or hate me that is your issue - but to feel your dislike of me (and often - yourselves) is very intense for me (psychically) - and this is also why my responses are so intense in reply.

I'm reacting to the energy within your posts.

~

I am sorry for hurting you. I was wrong for saying such things. You are strong beautiful spirit, always let your flag fly.

[Infinite Unity]

Next:

Your unkind (and inaccurate) words: "SMC seems to think she is the Grand Minister or Guardian of the forums.  She is always sticking her nose in on threads and acting as if she was the only one with grand wisdom. Just like this thread there are many threads she has derailed on her ideologies of what is. The op of this thread stated originally this is a story, he does not proclaim it to be absolute truth. Yet here we are with this thread all derailed and off track from her personal ideologies."
have been "liked" by 7 members.

This.
What you got here is typically why Ra would never even try to fight any battles with negative entities, as soon as he started to instruct people how to act out, he would be dragged into the battle and the material would have lost its unbiased nature.
Any of you trying to "win" this debate will be doomed to the same failure, hence why after a certain spiritual development the battle between the polarities ceases ( it is basically a stealthy attempt of the negative polarity to gain/steal strength/energy/power from positive ones ).

I am trying not to be pretentious, however it seems that you imply I am negative. I am sorry good sir but that assessment is incorrect. Everyone makes mistakes, and gets caught up in the wind now and then. I am a guardian of the light.

[Cobrien]

I did spice and suffered from psychosis. Spice is a terrible decision.

Every emotional issue I had was compounded into an enamorment and arrogance of an essential denial of how things where. A denial because I got caught up into alternate ideas of how things occur.

Luckily, after years i am well. I attribute my plight from spice to be the apex of how I used to be once i starting facing our world as a child.

About 3 years ago, a full year after the worst of psychosis, I came into contact with an energy source thru conscious control. Healing was extremely painful. There was so many times i was desparate and scared. Consciously invoking a connection to source very slowly brought me into balance coupled of no less import with interacting with the societal and other self.

There no shortcut to having faith in your own will.

Im not opposed to marijuana. But spice is seriously dangerous.

My cousin and I both smoked spice and both of us ended up psychotic. I went thru the system. He didn't. We were best friends til spice. Although he stopped spice he still smokes pot. I see him as having an emotional handicap being vain and arrogant in delusions and rejections of how things are.

Facing reality for what it is is scary, most of us would rather believe reality is what we make it. Beware! The truth is in plain sight and veiled. It is only by conscious application of a recognition of not understanding can mystery be discerned. Yet even that mystery can deceive

[Agua del Cielo]

@cobrien
What is spice? Never heard this, probably because they call it differently in my country.

About psychosis after drug use:
I honestly dont believe any drug produces psychosis.

I would say, many substances have the potential to Open doors within that have been locked for a good reason.
Potentially you will ne confronted with enormous pain from a traumatic experience.
Now, if the consciousness is not ready or willing to accept and integrate this experience, thats where psychosis comes into play:
you cant deny that experience completely anymore, but you also cannot accept it fully.
So there is a tension between refusal and or denial and the "material" coming to surface.

So only a part of the full "information" can be held in the conscious mind, not the full picture.
The emotion however is being present to a high degree.
Only the interpretation of the experience or sensation would ne inaccurate, to the Point it doesnt make any sense.

Thats how i would describe psychosis in general and how it's related to drug use.

[Infinite Unity]

Ashim you are killing me! Killing me with this wait man.....ugh its like waiting weeks just for a couple paragraphs of a chapter, in a book you don't want to put down.

I hope all is well with you. =)