Timelessness of an Unimaginable Nature

[AnthroHeart]

Ra said that 7th density was timelessness of an unimaginable nature. Is this because it is too long or too big to imagine?
Or is it like an eternity?
Or is it so long that at the end you won't even remember the beginning of it?
Will it be longer than the Universe will exist?

[tamaryn]

You are That. Theet mind does not have the intelligence to imagine what you are, or beyond that.

Your imagination runs close to timelessness. But it is no more than a grand object before that consciousness that is timeless.

Perhaps Imagine total Forgetting of every Self you are to the point that you become the One Self that is invisible, empty everywhere. Nowhere.

(1) Yes
(2) Yes
(3) Yes

Just keep recursively going beyond that that is This, Now.
Empty your personal will, so God can step in.
Bring forth the most powerful willingness to go through any thing. Step aside, so you can meet only God.
The power that is felt as the essence of this moment, Is the Freedom of Willingness of Creator within I. Truly Free.

[octavia]

Greetings IndigoGeminiWolf,

This is a great inquiry. I think that when attempting to plumb the depths of the 6th and 7th densities, we may look to the architecture of our own higher selves.

I hope that the inclusion of this information is acceptable in this sub-forum, for I would like to quote this transcript from Q'uo which does discuss the layered architecture of the Higher Self:

Now, in mid-sixth density your future self turns towards you in what seems to be the past, and gives you a gift, the gift of your self in a state of compassionate wisdom. This is your truth within. It is yourself.

In mid-seventh density, as spiritual gravity begins to move the ego into a lack of desire for form, for self, that creature turns back and in turn gives a gift to the mid-sixth density entity, so that in actuality each entity in third density has two levels of its own guidance to depend upon which are gifts from your future, as you would call it in your illusion. This mid-seventh density gift is, quite simply, the total data of all possible choices and all possible tracks at all decision points that have been registered along the way. It is a very subtle and complex gift, holding within its memory all those dreams that were not followed, all those paths that were not taken, and the results that would have happened had these paths been taken. It is your deepest intuition, and it is your gift to yourself.

So perhaps in exploring the timeless nature of 7th density, we may begin by considering the 7th density aspect of our higher self.

[Verum Occultum]

A quote from Seth might bring you some clarity on this:

All That Is is a part of creation, but more than what creation is. There are pyramid gestalts of being impossible to describe, whose awareness includes knowledge and experience of what would seem to be to you a vast number of other realities. In the terms of which I am speaking for your benefit, their present might, for example, include the life and death of your planet in a moment of their "time."

In a sense, if you consider that time is experienced very differently in each density, then you can grasp the idea that from a third-density stand  point, to consider what a "long duration of time" feels in 7D (or 8D), would be an immensely incomprehensibly long time. Notice that time is purely a psychic factor, a psychic experience. In another sense, information processing is so vast at those levels that our entire collective "history" could be comprehended in one "sequence" or intensity of information. Our entire collective history could appear to those beings as a type of mental picture, much like a single detail in your environment appears to you. They can simply see the whole room -- no -- the whole world.

Now, imagine if those harvesters were in that hyper-state for millions of our years (I mean how we experience years). I think then you can gain a tiny fragment of the unimaginable timeless nature that Ra is speaking of. It's the ultimate spiritual mass.

Final mental note: I am wondering. Ra talked about some beings (Light Bringers) having been already harvested into the next octave. Does that mean they harvested the infinite possibilities/probabilities of this octave and "left" it behind? What I am saying is that are we so slow compared to them in terms of information processing that we do not realize we are being harvested or have already been harvested, at this moment, into the next octave? When Ra talks about the Light Bringers still acting in this octave, are they actually perceiving their "afterimage" because they have already joined the One Infinite Creator?

[Infinite Unity]

Greetings IndigoGeminiWolf,

This is a great inquiry. I think that when attempting to plumb the depths of the 6th and 7th densities, we may look to the architecture of our own higher selves.

I hope that the inclusion of this information is acceptable in this sub-forum, for I would like to quote this transcript from Q'uo which does discuss the layered architecture of the Higher Self:

Now, in mid-sixth density your future self turns towards you in what seems to be the past, and gives you a gift, the gift of your self in a state of compassionate wisdom. This is your truth within. It is yourself.

In mid-seventh density, as spiritual gravity begins to move the ego into a lack of desire for form, for self, that creature turns back and in turn gives a gift to the mid-sixth density entity, so that in actuality each entity in third density has two levels of its own guidance to depend upon which are gifts from your future, as you would call it in your illusion. This mid-seventh density gift is, quite simply, the total data of all possible choices and all possible tracks at all decision points that have been registered along the way. It is a very subtle and complex gift, holding within its memory all those dreams that were not followed, all those paths that were not taken, and the results that would have happened had these paths been taken. It is your deepest intuition, and it is your gift to yourself.

So perhaps in exploring the timeless nature of 7th density, we may begin by considering the 7th density aspect of our higher self.

Sounds like the mid 7th density is giving the gift of intuition. Tamaryn I really like what you said above. It is very nicely put together. Thank you.

[anagogy]

Ra said that 7th density was timelessness of an unimaginable nature. Is this because it is too long or too big to imagine?
Or is it like an eternity?
Or is it so long that at the end you won't even remember the beginning of it?
Will it be longer than the Universe will exist?

Personally, I actually think they were referring to the octave density when they said that. Though 7th density certainly comprises the process of 'turning towards' that timelessness that precedes the next octave of densities.

I think its because you essentially move into pure time/space. Space contracts to an infinitesimal state, and time increases infinitely, without bound. You approach supraluminal velocity and build up an infinite amount of spiritual mass. And then right before we are willingly absorbed into that timeless intelligent infinity we, in the seventh density, come to know our current self, or octave, in full -- every last iota -- every shade and frame of the entire continuum of space/time and time/space.

I also don't think we can really properly imagine it. Basically all notions of the passage of time go out the window in that framework -- the concept has no use or function at that level. It's not about "how long something will last" or "how much time I have left" or "how long this will take me", it is simply a matter of self knowing, and when that self knowing is completed to total satisfaction, we enter into the timelessness of the octave density. In the octave we will dwell in blissful, but unknowing, union with undistorted intelligent infinity for a completely unmeasurable amount of duration, since there is no change there, and thus no way to measure this imaginary thing called time. And eventually, after a couple eternities, or instantaneously, depending on how you look at it, we will, by the distortion of free will, deliberately choose to become focused as an organized Self, or Logos, once again, and form another octave of densities out of our own infinite substance.

[AnthroHeart]

Do you think that in the 1st density of the next octave, we will have more ability than we do here in 3rd density?

[Infinite Unity]

I do not know.

[anagogy]

Do you think that in the 1st density of the next octave, we will have more ability than we do here in 3rd density?

In my opinion, no, we will simply be some manifestation of earth, fire, wind, or water -- relatively random expressions of consciousness. These are 1st density type forms. It's possible the creator will refine or articulate this manifestation in some way, but I have no idea or way of knowing what that would be. But refinements only occur to create a more expressive, functional, or more efficient exploration of red ray consciousness. It will likely be comparable to our current octave's 1st density.

[AnthroHeart]

I thought we become Logos in the 8th density.

[anagogy]

I thought we become Logos in the 8th density.

Perhaps you're right, but what my intuition has revealed to me is that a Logos is a 7th density manifestation (but this is just my personal opinion).

The 8th density has no conception of self, the Logos is like the Proto-Self. 8th density is essentially a self less, ego-less, nirvana.

[Infinite Unity]

I thought we become Logos in the 8th density.

Perhaps you're right, but what my intuition has revealed to me is that a Logos is a 7th density manifestation (but this is just my personal opinion).

The 8th density has no conception of self, the Logos is like the Proto-Self. 8th density is essentially a self less, ego-less, nirvana.

Do you think that 8th density could be comparable to a subconcioncious of the logos?

[Infinite]

In my humble opinion. Everything in the universe works in same dynamic but in differents scales. It's just a question of point of view. Our life seems long but in the higher densities millions of years are just a blink of an eye. A aleatory event as a natural consequence of the manifestation of the universe.

I thought we become Logos in the 8th density.

Looking to the traditional occult anatomy: Our 4 lower bodies (physical, etheric, astral and mental) are a "avatar" of the Higher-Self. So, the Higher-Self is a extension of the Monad. I belive that this Monad obviously is a Logos. Ra said that the Higher-Self is a 6D entity. Naturally the Monad is a 7D entity. Including, the concept of the Monad is integration, that is, is the same context of the 7D that was explained to Ra. Peace, love and light.

[Infinite Unity]

I do to think 7th density is the logos, when I imagine and resonate with 7th density, I get the image of timeless children.

[Minyatur]

GW, you try to intellectualize things too much. Close your eyes and seek in silence to find this one monent of eternity.

You won't absorb all of it into your conscious awareness, but you will find a glimpse of a feeling of what it is to be infinity. Remember, you contain all things already.

[AnthroHeart]

Thanks Minyatur. I'm always learning. I'm taking an online course about enlightenment that is pretty involved. And also empowerment, so all of my questions should be answered there.

But I'm endlessly curious. All of my questions will be answered in 5D if I am patient.

[Minyatur]

I think you've been around this forum long enough to hold all the keys you need. Perhaps you've been avoiding to look more truthfully at yourself and what it is that you truly seek.

[AnthroHeart]

I think you've been around this forum long enough to hold all the keys you need. Perhaps you've been avoiding to look more truthfully at yourself and what it is that you truly seek.

I believe I do. But today I've just been very nervous. I'm tired and a little scared.
I've also got an earache in my right ear, and nausea, and a bit of a headache.
My body doesn't feel right.

[Minyatur]

I believe I do. But today I've just been very nervous. I'm tired and a little scared.
I've also got an earache in my right ear, and nausea, and a bit of a headache.
My body doesn't feel right.

Then you should work on it and seek to make it feel right. Meditations with a focus on healing can be helpful, but mindfulness of the body is probably what is most helpful. It's daily practice over months that you just try to make a mindful habbit. Seek to feel well and don't let yourself just dwell in feeling unwell.

Your body is the temple of yourself. It is the crystal of your beingness. It is also linked to your emotional body, so cleansing the emotional body and untangling distortions also help to better the body.

[Minyatur]

Always put positive intent on what feels wrong, helps to practice mindfulness if you never decide to not do it. Always put a positive intention toward healing, even if it is short-lasting.

Avoid the make the choice to ignore what you feel.