World Orion Seek to Destroy Humanity?

[Chandlersdad]

An old human here but a young student of Ra LOO.

This may be a matter of opinion. Would Orion seek to destroy humanity in order to take ownership of Earth? Or would this be too great a restriction of free will?

I am envisioning Orion working behind the scenes to convince the power elites in government, the military and finance that a nuclear war would inexplicably benefit humankind. As I recall, Ronald Reagan supposedly worked with our military in the USA to try to invoke a nuclear exchange with the USSR, thinking that the USA could survive while totally destroying the USSR. Somewhere we have someone"s) SANE to thank for this scenario never being implemented.

Would Orion benefit from humanity's demise, or are WE a marketable product that they wish to preserve as another member of the Orion empire?

Is Orion motivated purely out of unproductive spite, as demons are reportedly motivated? A demon supposedly simply wants to kill, destroy, and otherwise possess a human. Would Orion take action that does not materially reward them purely out of hate and spite?

Frankly, I think the Orion Crusaders all come from dysfunctional families on Orion Prime (the home world?). What they need is a good group hug? Perhaps a nice camping trip, singing songs around the camp fire, making them feel a sense of belonging and camaraderie.

[ada]

Makes me wonder how difficult it would actually be for them to find a planet alike ours, and are they all inhabited? interesting. this makes me wonder more, Ra have stated that they are no longer of venus? why So there could be planets with no complex? I guess they're here for us.

[Minyatur]

Makes me wonder how difficult it would actually be for them to find a planet alike ours, and are they all inhabited? interesting. this makes me wonder more, Ra have stated that they are no longer of venus? why So there could be planets with no complex? I guess they're here for us.

About Venus, Ra has said it is currently inhabited by 5D consciousness as a 5-6D planet.

[Minyatur]

About the Orion group, what demons care about is to further their Godhood within this creation.

In some way, the earth harvesting positively or negatively probably would help each camp in a very similar manner. If it's positive, then more momentum to the positive polarity for those of that path and if negative then more momentum to the negative polatity for those of that path. This momentum is gained through truthfully guiding others toward the light or "misguiding" them toward the darkness (inverting their inherent leaning toward the light).

[anagogy]

Would Orion benefit from humanity's demise, or are WE a marketable product that they wish to preserve as another member of the Orion empire?  

This.

They are actually seeking unity of a sort themselves for the sheer power of it, so they wouldn't destroy the world just for destruction's sake most likely. They want to find mind/body/spirit complexes that resonate with their own vibrations, in order to increase the negative polarity and power of their social memory complex. They want willing soldiers, who become part of their hierarchical STS structure. The people that don't fit into that box (STO and unpolarized) are just seen as slaves or chattel to be conquered and owned. They would see them as individuals who need to be controlled for "their own good".

[Aion]

Yeah, we're no use to them wiped out, they can't generate polarity off of that.

[BlatzAdict]

orion planets are all cities all over the surface of the planet. kinda looks like cybertron

no more trees. no more nature. That is what I highly suspect.

[Bourbon Betty]

http://www.verkkouutiset.fi/ulkomaat/isi...ohje-54311

Noh, mitäköhän mä tähän sanoisin, mites se teijän ihmetahna toimii ja sillai?

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An ISIS activist has posted a detailed list on how to manufacture organic weapons and advertises online that they were tested on "animals" and causes the animal(bunny) to cry in pain and explode.

I have a hunch who this person who tested this home manufactured poison on animals and is now advertising its use against humans in public is and I think all you all know as well.

Edity but not really, more of a normal continuation on a thought; This brings up the next point and or connects with the thread somewhat, Would the Orionites actually do harm if they have the power... Which brings up a point, the highest order of medicines on our Chaos oriented planet, are medicines designed to kill. Chemotherapy, and Antibiotics, and Orion is a major pharmaceutical company. Makes me think cleaning detergents maybe the next big medical invention.

[ada]

medicine may not be perfect, but it added the hoomans a few tens of extra years to live *weehoo..* there are definitely some medication that are being withheld for the sake of greed/money/control

[Chandlersdad]

http://www.verkkouutiset.fi/ulkomaat/isi...ohje-54311

Noh, mitäköhän mä tähän sanoisin, mites se teijän ihmetahna toimii ja sillai?

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An ISIS activist has posted a detailed list on how to manufacture organic weapons and advertises online that they were tested on "animals" and causes the animal(bunny) to cry in pain and explode.

I have a hunch who this person who tested this home manufactured poison on animals and is now advertising its use against humans in public is and I think all you all know as well.

Edity but not really, more of a normal continuation on a thought; This brings up the next point and or connects with the thread somewhat, Would the Orionites actually do harm if they have the power... Which brings up a point, the highest order of medicines on our Chaos oriented planet, are medicines designed to kill. Chemotherapy, and Antibiotics, and Orion is a major pharmaceutical company. Makes me think cleaning detergents maybe the next big medical invention.

So you are against killing bacteria that kills people? The average life expectancy before anti-biotics 100 years ago was 42. I used to get a lot of ear infections when I was young and surfed. I probably got the infections from pollution in the ocean. The doctor would give me an antibiotic and I would be healed. One time I asked him "What happened to people with ear infections like mine 100 years ago?" He said "They often died." I thought he was joking, but he was serious. He said that thanks to antibiotics, a lot of causes of death have been turned into minor annoyances. This is a good thing in my paradigm of reality. Chemotherapy is barbaric, but it actually saves lives, including the lives of some close friends and my sister.

[Chandlersdad]

orion planets are all cities all over the surface of the planet. kinda looks like cybertron

no more trees. no more nature. That is what I highly suspect.

Like the capital planet of the Emperor in Star Wars? It really can't be much worse than Detroit.

[APeacefulWarrior]

/geek mode

Well, Cybertron and Coruscant are pretty different. Coruscant in Star Wars was originally a normal green planet, whose cities became larger and larger until they covered the entire planet's surface and choked out all the underlying life. Cybertron is a robot world, and in some versions of the Transformers mythology is itself literally alive\aware, at least in the same way all the Transformers are living machines. Kind of a literalized Gaia situation. So it presumably doesn't mind being made of metal, since that's its natural form.

/geek mode off

[Billy]

A lot of the future Earth visions that people have had depict Earth as having either very few or no cities, with a very big emphasis on being as close to nature as possible.  Small communities seem to be the direction that we are heading in with everyone being in telepathic communication with each other.  I always had the impression as well that Orion worlds had pretty much destroyed nature, with the entire planet being dominated by 'slimy' technology.  Like a crossbreed between technology and natural biological systems, like the Borg in Star Trek.  I can just imagine the slimy machines in my mind now...so slimy

[Infinite Unity]

The Orion world's differ. One to another. I'm sure there are some 4d world's as the one you mention above in the Orion conglamaration. However the Orion group is made up of different density entities. I am rather sure there a couple different star systems. The life living in each system can differ greatly. I disagree with the modern assumption, that all life be built using the same macro elements. So there can be a huge differentiation between the Orion entities. I believe the upper 5 ths that rule the prions. Have There social memory complex on a very naturalistic sphere. The difference between sto and sts
Are more subtle, and have to do with the nature of treating other selves. The orions system of control also differ from sphere to sphere. Mainly because the ratio of resources and technology coupled with believe system. So your control structure would obviously have main protocales. However as I said your micro system of control from planet to planet could differ greatly. Also your assumption of how there world's would be, reveal more about how you feel and think about these other selves, then confer data.

[Infinite Unity]

I see how you can imagine that. Looking at our world. However I believe the prions used this path because humans our enamored with technology by themselves. So this is the strategy. Every planet they are invading is not the same. Also the crusaders take on these invasions to gain polarity. On a negative world were the social memory complex is already formed. The hiearchy is really strong usually, unless the s m c is close to disintegrating. So one of the best ways to gain polarity in this situation. Is to become an invader of a planet like Earth. It opens up a lot of potential the home sphere wouldn't have. It also has its risks. I also believe that this is used as an escape for early 4d to mid 4d negatives, to change polarities. Its practically impossible to do on an Orion controlled world in 4d negative. Negatives are not grotesque creatures. They are you with a different perspective. They believe they are doing right.

[Glow]

Makes me wonder how difficult it would actually be for them to find a planet alike ours, and are they all inhabited? interesting. this makes me wonder more, Ra have stated that they are no longer of venus? why So there could be planets with no complex? I guess they're here for us.

Not a LOO answer but it is my feeling that darkness isn't always darkness.
it comes from God and is needed.

We needed suffering over the long haul to teach us empathy, compassion and finally love.
No better way we could polarize STO. There is no choice if there is no STS or darkness.

I'm quite sure in other lives I could have brought darkness as the Orion do.
Think of the angelic, the "fallen" or demons came to inspire fear, anguish, sadness so we could grow.
I personally think the Orion serve a purpose FOR us. They are playing a needed role as Yahweh and Ra have. Balance.

Would they destroy earth, well is that what the logos desires?

Perhaps if we were mostly harvesting STS they would have more freedom here to reak havock.
Maybe as they are incarnated they would as those " incarnates" love to destroy us but who knows what their souls are really up to. who is really behind the mask.

Just my thoughts. Weird maybe.

[Ashim]

Makes me wonder how difficult it would actually be for them to find a planet alike ours, and are they all inhabited? interesting. this makes me wonder more, Ra have stated that they are no longer of venus? why So there could be planets with no complex? I guess they're here for us.

Not a LOO answer but it is my feeling  that darkness isn't always darkness.
it comes from God and is needed.

We needed suffering over the long haul to teach us empathy, compassion and finally love.
No better way we could polarize STO. There is no choice if there is no STS or darkness.

I'm quite sure in other lives I could have brought darkness as the Orion do.
Think of the angelic, the "fallen" or demons came to inspire fear, anguish, sadness so we could grow.
I personally think the Orion serve a purpose FOR us. They are playing a needed role as Yahweh and Ra have. Balance.

Would they destroy earth, well is that what the logos desires?

Perhaps if we were mostly harvesting STS they would have more freedom here to reak havock.
Maybe as they are incarnated they would as those " incarnates" love to destroy us but who knows what their souls are really up to. who is really behind the mask.

Just my thoughts. Weird maybe.

Glow, if you are not already familiar with this dialogue you might find it of great interest.

The Hidden_Hand posts from ATS.
http://www.wanttoknow.info/secret_societ...bloodlines

[Glow]

Makes me wonder how difficult it would actually be for them to find a planet alike ours, and are they all inhabited? interesting. this makes me wonder more, Ra have stated that they are no longer of venus? why So there could be planets with no complex? I guess they're here for us.

Not a LOO answer but it is my feeling  that darkness isn't always darkness.
it comes from God and is needed.

We needed suffering over the long haul to teach us empathy, compassion and finally love.
No better way we could polarize STO. There is no choice if there is no STS or darkness.

I'm quite sure in other lives I could have brought darkness as the Orion do.
Think of the angelic, the "fallen" or demons came to inspire fear, anguish, sadness so we could grow.
I personally think the Orion serve a purpose FOR us. They are playing a needed role as Yahweh and Ra have. Balance.

Would they destroy earth, well is that what the logos desires?

Perhaps if we were mostly harvesting STS they would have more freedom here to reak havock.
Maybe as they are incarnated they would as those " incarnates" love to destroy us but who knows what their souls are really up to. who is really behind the mask.

Just my thoughts. Weird maybe.

Glow, if you are not already familiar with this dialogue you might find it of great interest.

The Hidden_Hand posts from ATS.
http://www.wanttoknow.info/secret_societ...bloodlines

Thank you for sharing that. I had heard the name hidden hand but never looked into any of it.
Much of that resonates deeply especially

Understand that we HAVE to be negative. That's what we were sent here to be. It is our contract, which has always been to help you by providing the catalyst of free will and choice. Being negative is very hard for us, not on a physical level (the characters we play enjoy our roles, as we're programmed that way), but on a spiritual level. We surpassed the lowly negative vibrations eons ago. We are light, and we are love. It is a very hard thing for us to do spiritually, to create all this negativity, but we do it because we love you. And ultimately it is also for your highest good.

To me these souls that chose to offer this gift must love us very much. I relate to them as I deeply "in my bones" feel love for everyone but I could see myself enduring the experience of causing extreme suffering to those I love to bring much needed light through catayst. I believe it would be a huge gesture of love, as weird as that sounds.


By attaining a negative harvest, we can still "graduate" to fourth density, only it will be a negative polarity planet. Not a great place to be. But, as I've stated previously, we (as a group soul) have incurred the natural karmic restitution process that we must work off for all the negativity we have caused upon this planet. We will do this for a cycle in our new fourth density world, and then we will be freed to once again be the glorious being of light that we truly are. We need a negative harvest, so that we can create our fourth density Earth and clear our karmic record.

This part I don't get because understanding there was nothing to forgive, it was an act of service to incarnate and play that role, the karma shouldn't be carried forward. Perhaps if I had lived that way this life I would be to heavily veiled to understand that though so would not be freed until incarnating in 4D with less veil. Very confusing. law of confusion right?

Edited to say perhaps they are needed again to be of service in 4D negative to further guide those that chose "wrong"? Perhaps that is the karma? They succeeded so now need to continue their contract/promise/service. Just thoughts.

My LOO books have finally arrived, (much easier to read than pdf format)
once they are finished I will see what else of Hidden Hand resonates.

Thanks again.
neat to see similar "Knowings"

[Minyatur]

I think karma is never inherently distilled and to be able to perform negative service you need to tweak yourself quite a bit, and so would need to balance it out later on.

About negative entities, they're all you and me that got to do what they do through a unique path, so the reasons and lessons related are countless.

I also think forgiveness is not so inherent in higher densities, again countless lessons.

[Sacred Fool]

I agree that when entities exult in parasitic, narcissistic drives for transgressive appropriations of power, this does offer to the One Infinite Creator a rounder picture of Creation than there would be without this.  On the other hand, I'm not sure it's doing anyone a service to submit to such abuse.

I'll come back to that, but consider this: If 4d-  entities have severely muted heart centers, then how can it be said that they are learning the lessons of Love in 4d?  How can you learn love absent a functional heart?  (If they had properly functioning hearts they would be incapable of molestation.)  My answer to this is that what we're looking at here is a translation problem.  In this case, the meaning intended by the word Love could be better understood as" intensity of a will to serve."  For example, for the purposes of pumping up this will, within intense 3d- groups, often one stage of initiation is to kill face to face a family member or close friend or maybe a stranger.  Several months back I heard a guy describe being on the receiving end of this on an NPR radio program and, of course, the prisons are full of such offenders.

Now, returning to the matter left hanging, would it be doing anyone any service to offer one's self for execution in such a manner?  Would this be good catalyst for the self or for the other?  Would the amount gained justify the consequential removal of self from the illusion and the attendant inability to receive further catalyst?  Well, I suppose one could concoct a dramatic scenario worthy of an opera to fit the bill, but, generally speaking, my feeling is that submitting self to destructive, narcissistic catalyst is pretty difficult to justify.  Moreover, if you are offering yourself as a victim for the parasites to draw energy from and, let's just say, that along the way you are manipulated into believing that you are born for this and deserve to be abused, in that case, what do you suppose the affect on your own will to serve becomes and how much more deeply are you impeded in your own journey to know your own deeper self?

In addition, because negative catalyst is pretty darned common anyhow even in the absence of professional blood suckers, if one wishes further study in this area, it might be wiser to enter a maximum security lock up to get some experience, not as a prisoner, but, perhaps, as a meditation teacher.

[Glow]

I think karma is never inherently distilled and to be able to perform negative service you need to tweak yourself quite a bit, and so would need to balance it out later on.

About negative entities, they're all you and me that got to do what they do through a unique path, so the reasons and lessons related are countless.

I also think forgiveness is not so inherent in higher densities, again countless lessons.

Could be true. I'm pretty averse to the suffering of others so it's hard to imagine what would have to occur to get that "tinkering" done and what its effects might be.

[Ashim]

I think karma is never inherently distilled and to be able to perform negative service you need to tweak yourself quite a bit, and so would need to balance it out later on.

About negative entities, they're all you and me that got to do what they do through a unique path, so the reasons and lessons related are countless.

I also think forgiveness is not so inherent in higher densities, again countless lessons.

Could be true. I'm pretty averse to the suffering of others so it's hard to imagine what would have to occur to get that "tinkering" done and what its effects might be.

The story of Svali, referenced in the H_H discussion, provides ample information about the "tinkering" the negative experience on their path.
Some of the testimony is quite graphic and may be disturbing, however I found that it too resonated.

http://projectcamelot.org/svali.html

[Dog Star]

In the United States, the population is about 1% Illuminati or Illuminati assets. Do the math: that's about 3 million people. You may even know some of them, and have never suspected.

do you honestly believe that? how was this data even gathered?

[Ashim]

In the United States, the population is about 1% Illuminati or Illuminati assets. Do the math: that's about 3 million people. You may even know some of them, and have never suspected.

do you honestly believe that? how was this data even gathered?

No one is asking anyone to believe anything. This is part of an alleged testimony that could be true, a hoax, or even some of both.
What any particular individual here on the forum "believes" is not really the point. This is simply information that I think may be helpful for some when read with a  temporary suspension of judgement. 

[Dog Star]

fair enough!

[Sacred Fool]

The story of Svali, referenced in the H_H discussion, provides ample information about the "tinkering" the negative experience on their path.
Some of the testimony is quite graphic and may be disturbing, however I found that it too resonated.

http://projectcamelot.org/svali.html

This reads a lot like pornography to me.  It's titillating and narcissistic and simple minded.  The main difference seems to be that this is designed to promote paranoia and fear which is exactly how Ra described sts propaganda.  Moreover, it rips off concepts from the Ra Material, without which it would have no standing at all.  And it even borrows the term Camelot.

I wonder, am I being judgmental or merely honest?

[Ashim]

The story of Svali, referenced in the H_H discussion, provides ample information about the "tinkering" the negative experience on their path.
Some of the testimony is quite graphic and may be disturbing, however I found that it too resonated.

http://projectcamelot.org/svali.html

This reads a lot like pornography to me.  It's titillating and narcissistic and simple minded.  The main difference seems to be that this is designed to promote paranoia and fear which is exactly how Ra described sts propaganda.  Moreover, it rips off concepts from the Ra Material, without which it would have no standing at all.  And it even borrows the term Camelot.

I wonder, am I being judgmental or merely honest?

Probably judgmental, but who am I to judge?
What do you mean about borrowing the term "Camelot"?
Did you read/research about Svali, or is this just a knee jerk reaction to a quick skipping through of a few lines of text?
You are obviously not familiar with Project Camelot and their huge body of work, most of it, I find, most enlightening.

Here is a link to a video source of some of their work. Hope you enjoy it.
https://www.youtube.com/user/jagbodhi

[APeacefulWarrior]

The story of Svali, referenced in the H_H discussion, provides ample information about the "tinkering" the negative experience on their path.
Some of the testimony is quite graphic and may be disturbing, however I found that it too resonated.

http://projectcamelot.org/svali.html

This reads a lot like pornography to me.  It's titillating and narcissistic and simple minded.  The main difference seems to be that this is designed to promote paranoia and fear which is exactly how Ra described sts propaganda.  Moreover, it rips off concepts from the Ra Material, without which it would have no standing at all.  And it even borrows the term Camelot.

That's the problem with nearly all conspiracy theories in general. Even the most well-meaning person who repeats them believing it's a service is ultimately just spreading ideas full of fear and negativity. After all, those who profit from fear also profit from being feared. Even if every word in these documents is true -which I highly doubt- disseminating it would amount to little more than acting as an Illuminati PR agent. After all, the ultimate message here is basically "The world is controlled by an evil which is so deeply entrenched and widespread in reach no one could reasonably hope to uproot it." I have a hard time imagining a more potent message for increasing paranoia and distrust in people, whether it's true or not.

[Ashim]

The story of Svali, referenced in the H_H discussion, provides ample information about the "tinkering" the negative experience on their path.
Some of the testimony is quite graphic and may be disturbing, however I found that it too resonated.

http://projectcamelot.org/svali.html

This reads a lot like pornography to me.  It's titillating and narcissistic and simple minded.  The main difference seems to be that this is designed to promote paranoia and fear which is exactly how Ra described sts propaganda.  Moreover, it rips off concepts from the Ra Material, without which it would have no standing at all.  And it even borrows the term Camelot.

That's the problem with nearly all conspiracy theories in general.  Even the most well-meaning person who repeats them believing it's a service is ultimately just spreading ideas full of fear and negativity.  After all, those who profit from fear also profit from being feared.  Even if every word in these documents is true -which I highly doubt- disseminating it would amount to little more than acting as an Illuminati PR agent.  After all, the ultimate message here is basically "The world is controlled by an evil which is so deeply entrenched and widespread in reach no one could reasonably hope to uproot it."  I have a hard time imagining a more potent message for increasing paranoia and distrust in people, whether it's true or not.

You are, I believe, mistaken.
Your instict instructs you to ignore or block out these unimaginable things. These terrors. However, the higher you progress, the purer your vibration, the more you will see them to be real, actual elements of our society. This prompts acceptance. 
Just because you are paranoid does not mean that they are not out to get you.

[Sacred Fool]

You're right, I was not familiar with the camelot project.  For what it's worth, what I see there is not a heartfelt offering of love and light, particularly.  It feels rather disharmonious compared to offerings from the heart.  (Not that I'm always living up to the highest standards, myself.)

I read about 30% of the Svali page and I thought that was plenty to experience it as a vibration dedicated destabilization through fear and paranoia.  That seems worthy of mention.

Lastly, I'm doing the best I can to be respectful towards yourself.  I trust you'll let me know how I'm doing in that department.