6D Wanderers: 3D Lessons?

[βαθμιαίος]

(their comment about polarization being salvation of 3d despite it being imbalancing in the greater scheme of things).

You have conflated polarization with compassion. Ra's quote actually referred to compassion, not polarization: "The fourth-density, as we have said, abounds in compassion. This compassion is folly when seen through the eyes of wisdom. It is the salvation of third-density but creates a mismatch in the ultimate balance of the entity."

polarizing compassion would be reckless, for an entity who is not in 3d, and has a particular balance, because it would upset that balance. unless changing the balance is an intent, it would be reckless to change it.

martyrdom, seems to be the apex of polarization compassion, from what we understand regarding the Ra text, and the examples of jesus of nazareth and its density situation.

Your whole argument makes perfect sense if one just substitutes "compassion" every time you write "polarization".

no, it wasnt. what information was produced was usable for both polarities, negative and positive. so, as for the end result or nature of it goes, it is an unpolarized work. there is much information. in that respect, it is relevant to wisdom, blue ray. it has undertones of indigo ray unification.

My point wasn't that the work was polarized, it was that the service was. However, the work was clearly also positively charged, else why would a fifth-density negative entity spend so much time and effort, risking its own polarity, in an attempt to end it?

im not going to comment on your newly introduced phrase, 'highly charged'.

Highly charged is the definition of polarized that Don and Ra were working with.

i dont associate polarizing with recklessness. however, polarizing, we know to be upsetting to an entity's balance in greater scheme of things, from Ra. (their comment about polarization being salvation of 3d despite it being imbalancing in the greater scheme of things).

No comprende, amigo. Isn't the ever deepening desire to serve the same force that compels polarization in 3D as well as balancing in 6D. In that sense it's all the same thing. I can't see how it would cause "imbalancing (sic) in the greater scheme of things."

Exactly. This is the sense of polarizing that I believe Ra and Don were using.

[unity100]

You have conflated polarization with compassion. Ra's quote actually referred to compassion, not polarization: "The fourth-density, as we have said, abounds in compassion. This compassion is folly when seen through the eyes of wisdom. It is the salvation of third-density but creates a mismatch in the ultimate balance of the entity."

compassion is a result of 4d green ray energy imbalanced without blue.

and, lack of that green ray, or presence, defines an entity's polarity. if it is there, entity is positive, if it is not, negative.

therefore, presence of 4d green ray or lack of it, defines the polarity of an entity, and therefore, polarization is tied mainly to this ray. as the 3rd defines what will happen with 4th in general, its also tied to that in a grander sense.

so, yes, these two energies define polarity.

My point wasn't that the work was polarized, it was that the service was. However, the work was clearly also positively charged, else why would a fifth-density negative entity spend so much time and effort, risking its own polarity, in an attempt to end it?

this is debatable in length. a lot of details, a lot of things that can be said. ranging from the need for the 5d entity to remove light, to its desire to enslave powerful minions (increasing its power proportionally). it also can be said that, it is a reaction of a polarized entity (5d negative) to a nonpolarized, unified knowledge. there are a lot of disturbing information in regard to unification of paths in 6d in Ra, and rather irrefutable logic proving interconnectedness and unifiedness of all existence.

this would come quite disturbing, to a negatively polarized entity. the idea of having to give equal importance and care to other entities as much as it does for its self, is, probably, hellish.

and before you wander off there ; the above does not describe a positive situation. a positive entity would give more importance to other entities, than its self.




and as a sidenote, its being rather repetitive, this discussion.

[βαθμιαίος]

Well, that's something we can agree on. It's certainly repetitive.

Let's see if we can agree on the disagreement and then maybe we should just leave it at that.

You think polarization has to do with choice of polarity and therefore has to do with the yellow and green energy centers. I think polarization has to do with building a charge in consciousness and therefore continues to be relevant through blue and, especially, indigo centers.

Edit to add: we can leave the discussion about why a fifth-density negative entity would want to end the contact for another time.

[unity100]

im saying that, polarization is not something in thin air, conceptual, philosophical or purely energetic. they are all tied together. emission of green and yellow instead of holding back, is the energy counterpart of martyrdom action (if taken to extreme). i base this on the fact that, polarity is determined by presence or non presence of these rays. you redefine polarity in a manner that is not present in Ra material, and equate it with progress.

[βαθμιαίος]

Maybe you are confusing polarity and polarization? The definition of polarization as building a charge in consciousness is straight from the Ra material, as is the equation with progress.

But this is just repetition.

[unity100]

then let repetition end here. thank you for your participation.

[βαθμιαίος]

And you for yours.

[Sacred Fool]

compassion is a result of 4d green ray energy imbalanced without blue.

and, lack of that green ray, or presence, defines an entity's polarity. if it is there, entity is positive, if it is not, negative.

therefore, presence of 4d green ray or lack of it, defines the polarity of an entity, and therefore, polarization is tied mainly to this ray. as the 3rd defines what will happen with 4th in general, its also tied to that in a grander sense.

so, yes, these two energies define polarity.

Hey, u-,

With all due respect, it strikes me that your view of spiritual developement through the densities is painfully mechanistic. For example, compassion is NOT negated in 5D. Rather one learns to balance one's compassionate response to stimuli with the broader view afforded by more crystallized wisdom. A 6D entity like Ra, for instance, is not devoid of compassion as a result of having gone through 5D; therefore, compassion is NOT "a result of 4d green ray energy imbalanced without blue," as you aver. Compassion is unending as it's a relatively clear distortion of the Primary Distortion, Love.

Likewise, an entity's spectrographic profile is not a mechanistic diagnostic tool for assessing polarity, nor is it mechanistically causal. For example, according to Q'uo, a 6D positively oriented wandering entity may be strong in the lower and upper chakras while being muted in the green ray center owing to the fact that their experience has rendered them more advanced in wisdom than in love. Ergo, your contention, "...presence of 4d green ray or lack of it, defines the polarity of an entity, and therefore, polarization is tied mainly to this ray." is an overly rigid construction.

I'm not trying to influence your beliefs, per se. I just wonder if contemplation of spiritual developement is best done using internal markers such as intensity of the desire to serve and the quality of the overall context one views that in (i.e., wisdom) rather than spectrographic appearances. Of course the strength of the rays is described by Ra as an indicator of an entity's capacity to enjoy the more intense light of 4D, but the real determinant is an entity's intensity of desire to serve, it seems to me. That's what enables us to enjoy more & more intense light.

service != polarization.

You'll have to explain this one. Service is something done while polarization is an energy potential. If you mean that intensity of desire to serve equals polarization, then I would largely agree and leave it alone.

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We seek now without polarity. Thus we do not invoke any power from without, for our search has become internalized as we become light/love and love/light.

So, we can conclude that polarization is necessary in order to learn to become ultimately balanced. You have to make a move that is unbalancing to your overall beingness in order to finally learn balance.

Hi there, Aaron.

I still don't get this "make a move that is unbalancing" stuff. However, the quote you bring in here is wonderfully pertinent to my previous suggestion that long range spiritual developement should be viewed as an internal tuning process and not something that can be grossly measured merely in terms of quantities of this or that colored light.

My reading of that statement is that it indicates that 3D folks use a 3D illusion to provide them with catalyst, 4D use 4D catalyst and 5D use 5D catalyst. The catalyst acts, as they say, like rocks in a rock tumbler, smoothing and evening out one's energetic attunement, that is, allowing one to choose an energetic profile more closely resembling that of the One Creatrix. Somewhere in 6D, however, the entire business becomes self-referenced. One re-tunes oneself, not because of extrinsic catalyst, but simply because the intensity of one's desire to serve is so great.

What a beautiful thing!


And the truth is, obviously, that we can do the same thing here & now if our distortions bend us in that direction.

What a beautiful thing!

[unity100]

Hey, u-,

With all due respect, it strikes me that your view of spiritual developement through the densities is painfully mechanistic. For example, compassion is NOT negated in 5D. Rather one learns to balance one's compassionate response to stimuli with the broader view afforded by more crystallized wisdom. A 6D entity like Ra, for instance, is not devoid of compassion as a result of having gone through 5D; therefore, compassion is NOT "a result of 4d green ray energy imbalanced without blue," as you aver. Compassion is unending as it's a relatively clear distortion of the Primary Distortion, Love.

Likewise, an entity's spectrographic profile is not a mechanistic diagnostic tool for assessing polarity, nor is it mechanistically causal. For example, according to Q'uo, a 6D positively oriented wandering entity may be strong in the lower and upper chakras while being muted in the green ray center owing to the fact that their experience has rendered them more advanced in wisdom than in love. Ergo, your contention, "...presence of 4d green ray or lack of it, defines the polarity of an entity, and therefore, polarization is tied mainly to this ray." is an overly rigid construction.

I'm not trying to influence your beliefs, per se. I just wonder if contemplation of spiritual developement is best done using internal markers such as intensity of the desire to serve and the quality of the overall context one views that in (i.e., wisdom) rather than spectrographic appearances. Of course the strength of the rays is described by Ra as an indicator of an entity's capacity to enjoy the more intense light of 4D, but the real determinant is an entity's intensity of desire to serve, it seems to me. That's what enables us to enjoy more & more intense light.

spiritual development through the densities, are, fortunately or unfortunately, painfully mechanistic.

there are certain mechanics that are set for spiritual development at the beginning of octave, and these, depending on which is being practiced, just do their thing.

you cant graduate from 3d without having polarity at the moment for example. at least in worlds that employ a veil. this is a mechanic, and it cant be changed. doesnt matter how you view this.

and, 'mechanic' doesnt mean 'devoid of emotion'. this, has been a proposition of yours. noone said anything pertaining to this.

a 6d wanderer being weak in lower chakras and strong in upper, or the vice versa, and still having a sufficient violet balance, does not change the fact that that entity, in order to be considered positive, would have to have yellow and green chakras open to an acceptable degree.

if, they are blocked, that would indicate negative polarity.

this is a mechanic, this is a definition. balance changes do not change that.

and moreover, these are the basis of the energy systems Ra communicates to us.

You'll have to explain this one. Service is something done while polarization is an energy potential. If you mean that intensity of desire to serve equals polarization, then I would largely agree and leave it alone.

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i would have to refer you to the threads that i created in name, and my posts especially relating to green or 4d service. long discussion over these have been made, and i have expressed numerous pointers in regard to reasoning of this. i cant just rephrase entire pages long of rationalizations again and again.

[Sacred Fool]

spiritual development through the densities, are, fortunately or unfortunately, painfully mechanistic.

Well, I'm sure that some people do experience it that way. After all, for some people sex is a mechanical operation, for example. On the other hand, for others these are more like artistic endeavors which engage the spirit.

there are certain mechanics that are set for spiritual development at the beginning of octave, and these, depending on which is being practiced, just do their thing.

Indeed, there are mechanical parameters, just like there are such which limit the piano; but the playing, again, could be either mechanical (devoid of spirit) or artistic.

you cant graduate from 3d without having polarity at the moment for example. at least in worlds that employ a veil. this is a mechanic, and it cant be changed. doesnt matter how you view this.

Again, the parameters and the response to them are not the same thing. Polarity is a given parameter, but to find the path of Freedom, one must needs follow the ways of peace, of beauty, of devotion and so on. Also, I might note that genuine mastery of 3D (not the minimum requirement for graduation) has to do with the capacity to weave more and more light & spirit into one's everyday doings and this is the work of the artist, not the mechanic.

and, 'mechanic' doesnt mean 'devoid of emotion'. this, has been a proposition of yours. noone said anything pertaining to this.

This is a mis-attribution. Someone else must have said that.

a 6d wanderer being weak in lower chakras and strong in upper, or the vice versa, and still having a sufficient violet balance, does not change the fact that that entity, in order to be considered positive, would have to have yellow and green chakras open to an acceptable degree.

That may be true, but it's not relevant to the comment in question. My point is that your idea of "acceptable" is not an absolute number on a scale. Rather, it's--shall we say--artistically interpreted by the beings who watch over these evaluations. Again, it's not such a rigid process. Great care is taken to evaluate the degree to which a being can enjoy the light of a given density.

if, they are blocked, that would indicate negative polarity.

Perhaps. It could also indicate significant trauma, no? I can't accept such a simplistic analysis.

this is a mechanic, this is a definition. balance changes do not change that.

Well, maybe I'm just kidding myself, but my impression is that Space/Time constructs are softer and more forgiving than what you're allowing for.

and moreover, these are the basis of the energy systems Ra communicates to us.

I agree that it's possible to interpret things that way. I'm just suggesting that such a construct is actually far more sterile and more limited than the material actually indicates.

But then, maybe I'm wrong about that?

[Aaron]

We seek now without polarity. Thus we do not invoke any power from without, for our search has become internalized as we become light/love and love/light.

So, we can conclude that polarization is necessary in order to learn to become ultimately balanced. You have to make a move that is unbalancing to your overall beingness in order to finally learn balance.

Hi there, Aaron.

I still don't get this "make a move that is unbalancing" stuff. However, the quote you bring in here is wonderfully pertinent to my previous suggestion that long range spiritual developement should be viewed as an internal tuning process and not something that can be grossly measured merely in terms of quantities of this or that colored light.

My reading of that statement is that it indicates that 3D folks use a 3D illusion to provide them with catalyst, 4D use 4D catalyst and 5D use 5D catalyst. The catalyst acts, as they say, like rocks in a rock tumbler, smoothing and evening out one's energetic attunement, that is, allowing one to choose an energetic profile more closely resembling that of the One Creatrix. Somewhere in 6D, however, the entire business becomes self-referenced. One re-tunes oneself, not because of extrinsic catalyst, but simply because the intensity of one's desire to serve is so great.

What a beautiful thing!

A crude analogy... how can you learn to ride a bike well if you've never fallen off one? Maybe a better comparison is how teenagers go out and make stupid mistakes which allows them to be wise in their older years

Yes, the entire spiritual journey becomes self-referenced once the entity is at a point where it can consciously realize that it doesn't need to "invoke any power from without". We all start out with a spark of the Creatrix in us. Then, it's a long and wonderful journey of trying new and different things in order to re-discover consciousness of that spark. And in 6th density, to re-unite with that spark. You empower yourself so much that you are able to create your own inner catalyst in whatever form it's needed, and advance yourself in unity, in balance. What a beautiful thing! haha

And the truth is, obviously, that we can do the same thing here & now if our distortions bend us in that direction.

What a beautiful thing!

I think we could do some pretty amazing things if we could only have faith in the Creatrix present in ourselves and eachother.

[unity100]

Well, I'm sure that some people do experience it that way. After all, for some people sex is a mechanical operation, for example. On the other hand, for others these are more like artistic endeavors which engage the spirit.

Indeed, there are mechanical parameters, just like there are such which limit the piano; but the playing, again, could be either mechanical (devoid of spirit) or artistic.

Again, the parameters and the response to them are not the same thing. Polarity is a given parameter, but to find the path of Freedom, one must needs follow the ways of peace, of beauty, of devotion and so on. Also, I might note that genuine mastery of 3D (not the minimum requirement for graduation) has to do with the capacity to weave more and more light & spirit into one's everyday doings and this is the work of the artist, not the mechanic.

you are missing the point.

2 x 2 = 4 in this given reality. a crude example.

anything using this as a mechanic, may induce various emotions and desires in entities. some kid may calculate that, his father is giving him 2 times 2 cupcakes, and be glad that 2x2 makes 4. 4 high schoolers may get divided into groups of 2, in gym class, and may not like the result, and feel strongly about it.

none of these change the mechanic under the event. 2x2 makes 4, in each case, and how strongly entities feel about them, or whether they are spiritual or not, do not change the mechanic.

a mechanic is not a 'parameter'. its a rule set for manifestation to happen. and manifestation happens on those set rules. including any manifestation of spirituality.

That may be true, but it's not relevant to the comment in question. My point is that your idea of "acceptable" is not an absolute number on a scale. Rather, it's--shall we say--artistically interpreted by the beings who watch over these evaluations. Again, it's not such a rigid process. Great care is taken to evaluate the degree to which a being can enjoy the light of a given density.

we are being given an exact percentage. its 51% positive 95% negative. its not related to 'artistic interpretation' of any entity. we are told that, regardless of how amiable an entity is, if it cant meet the qualifications, it cant advance to the other density, by Ra.

it is a rigid process.

Perhaps. It could also indicate significant trauma, no? I can't accept such a simplistic analysis.

that is irrelevant to the question. an entity consistently blocking its chakras would be polarizing negatively. an entity being in trauma, would not do it consistently. and in either case, their violet balance would tell the result. still, thats not relevant to the subject.

[Quantum]

you are missing the point.
2 x 2 = 4 in this given reality. a crude example.
it is a rigid process.

It could also indicate significant trauma, no? I can't accept such a simplistic analysis.

that is irrelevant to the question. an entity consistently blocking its chakras would be polarizing negatively.

Is a blocked chakra always polarizing negatively? May it not simply also just be blocked, and therefore just as likely be stuck in neutral as well, neither polarizing positively or negatively? Might one not also suggest as such that the vast majority of the planet as per the Ra quote lies in fact in the in between of the sinkhole of indifference and therefore consequently will in fact not harvest specifically as a direct result of what Peregrine secondarily may be suggesting?

17.33 Questioner: Why is the negative path so much more difficult to attain harvestability upon than the positive?

Ra: I am Ra. This is due to a distortion of the Law of One which indicates that the gateway to intelligent infinity be a gateway at the end of a straight and narrow path as you may call it. To attain fifty-one percent dedication to the welfare of other-selves is as difficult as attaining a grade of five percent dedication to otherselves. The, shall we say, sinkhole of indifference is between those two.

By the way...I've always had problems with this quote and have always assumed it might have been meant to read To attain fifty-one percent dedication to the welfare of other-selves is as difficult as attaining a grade of (ninety-five)percent dedication to (oneself) .

Curiously, if 51% is as difficult as is 5% for STO...then the vast majority is in fact extremely lethargic...if not blocked. May it further be as assumed that 1-5% is as difficult as is 95% for STS?

Any thoughts......or am I just blocked?

~ Q ~

[Sacred Fool]

we are being given an exact percentage. its 51% positive 95% negative. its not related to 'artistic interpretation' of any entity. we are told that, regardless of how amiable an entity is, if it cant meet the qualifications, it cant advance to the other density, by Ra.

it is a rigid process.

Hey there, U. Does this sound to you like a rigid process or does is sound more artistic?

47.6 Questioner: What I was actually asking was if 50% is required for graduation from third to fourth in the positive sense and 95% was required for graduation in the negative sense, does this have to more closely approach 100% for graduation in both cases for graduation from fourth to fifth density? Does an entity have to be 99% polarized for negative and maybe 80% polarized positive for graduation?

Ra: I am Ra. We perceive the query now.

To give this in your terms is misleading for there are, shall we say, visual aids or training aids available in fourth density which automatically aid the entity in polarization while cutting down extremely upon the quick effect of catalyst. Thus the density above yours must take up more space/time.

The percentage of service-to-others of positively oriented entities will harmoniously approach 98% in intention. The qualifications for fifth density, however, involve understanding. This then, becomes the primary qualification for graduation from fourth to fifth density. To achieve this graduation the entity must be able to understand the actions, the movements, and the dance. There is no percentage describable which measures this understanding. It is a measure of efficiency of perception. It may be measured by light. The ability to love, accept, and use a certain intensity of light thus creates the requirement for both positive and negative fourth to fifth harvesting.

Again, as I interpret the phenomenon, the determining factor for graduation (to whichever density) is the capacity and readiness to enjoy the Light of the next density in a balanced fashion.

What do you think?

Every time you say something like "It's a question of Wisdom", one has to translate that into "No need to think about green ray work, you're wasting your time being loving, Wanderers are here to work on 6D+ lessons, and forget that whole radiating love, polarizing positive, being a beacon for other-Selves business."

Purely for sport, I thought I'd try to bring this discussion back around to the original topic by noting that late 6D entities have the awesome task--according to the accepted ideology--of guiding other-selves in lower densities along their various paths of developement. It therefore makes great sense to me that early 6D entities would spend much time re-incarnating over and over in lower densities so as to become more versatile teach/learners. After all, the variations of the dance stretch out endlessly and much practice is required. Maybe some extra-challenging work in the green ray department every few thousand years is a good thing in the long run?

[unity100]

Hey there, U. Does this sound to you like a rigid process or does is sound more artistic?

47.6 Questioner: What I was actually asking was if 50% is required for graduation from third to fourth in the positive sense and 95% was required for graduation in the negative sense, does this have to more closely approach 100% for graduation in both cases for graduation from fourth to fifth density? Does an entity have to be 99% polarized for negative and maybe 80% polarized positive for graduation?

Ra: I am Ra. We perceive the query now.

To give this in your terms is misleading for there are, shall we say, visual aids or training aids available in fourth density which automatically aid the entity in polarization while cutting down extremely upon the quick effect of catalyst. Thus the density above yours must take up more space/time.

The percentage of service-to-others of positively oriented entities will harmoniously approach 98% in intention. The qualifications for fifth density, however, involve understanding. This then, becomes the primary qualification for graduation from fourth to fifth density. To achieve this graduation the entity must be able to understand the actions, the movements, and the dance. There is no percentage describable which measures this understanding. It is a measure of efficiency of perception. It may be measured by light. The ability to love, accept, and use a certain intensity of light thus creates the requirement for both positive and negative fourth to fifth harvesting.

Again, as I interpret the phenomenon, the determining factor for graduation (to whichever density) is the capacity and readiness to enjoy the Light of the next density in a balanced fashion.

What do you think?

what you refer to is 4 to 5th grade harvesting. and there is nothing 'artistic' about the harvest requirement or its implementation : 'The ability to love, accept, and use a certain intensity of light. in short, the entities are given a certain intensity of light, and they are expected to be able to love, accept and use that intensity of light.

there is no interpretation or relaxation of requirements in this. even if one is polarized 99.99% positive, or 99.99% negative, no harvester is going to say 'well, this entity is not able to use this amount of light, but, it is polarized 99.99%. that'll do i think ..' and allow it to graduate.

the entity will have to be able to accept, love and use a certain intensity of light. or, it wont graduate.

it may be that, you are thinking that the ability to enjoy and use a certain intensity of light, is an artistic, or creative activity. and then attribute the same to the harvest process.

there is nothing in the requirements regarding that. what they are expected to do is to be able to accept love and use a certain intensity of light. how they use it, what they do with it, is not in requirements. also notice that the requirement says 'certain'. not 'some' or 'agreeable', or 'artistic'.

the harvest requirement is precise in this case too.

[Sacred Fool]

Well, we seem to have differing views on this.

To achieve this graduation the entity must be able to understand the actions, the movements, and the dance. There is no percentage describable which measures this understanding. It is a measure of efficiency of perception.

For me, this quote speaks for itself. It tells me that the process is determined by internally recognized factors, not by a mere deduction of supposedly objective percentages. Because it's internally referenced it necessarily becomes more artistic in nature--in my view. Furthermore, because we're talking about internal perception, absolute rigidity has little meaning. If you read more of the Ra Material regarding graduation, you'll find that gentleness and caring are values more often observed than maintenance of any absolute grading scale.

Further support for the artistic point of view is the fact that one can observe the entire evolutionary process--as described in the Ra Material--as a long arc of experiencing creation mainly through external stimuli moving towards experiencing it in a completely self-referential way in 7D. I'm simply offering a view of graduation which echoes this phenomenon. But, apparently, it's not for you.

So, enjoy your free will, my friend, and I'll do the same!

[Wander-Man]

Okay, I'm on lunch so I didn't have a chance to read this entire library of posts in this thread, but I'll just address something really quickly to unity100

in descriptions and harvests of 3, 4 and 5d, in Ra material, we learn that the harvest of 3d is the only one requiring polarization...it doesnt matter how much you are polarized. that means that, entities manifest in the understanding of green ray in 4d, and the activity of understanding becomes one of learning the dance of existence in 5d. and in 6d, as Ra tells us, polarity becomes a thing of the past.

52.9 Questioner: I would just include the question as to why the time of harvest is selected by so many Wanderers as time for incarnation?
Ra: I am Ra. There are several reasons for incarnation during harvest. They may be divided by the terms self and other-self.

The overriding reason for the offering of these Brothers and Sisters of Sorrow in incarnative states is the possibility of aiding other-selves by the lightening of the planetary consciousness distortions and the probability of offering catalyst to other-selves which will increase the harvest.

There are two other reasons for choosing this service which have to do with the self.

The Wanderer, if it remembers and dedicates itself to service, will polarize much more rapidly than is possible in the far more etiolated realms of higher density catalyst.

The final reason is within the mind/body/spirit totality or the social memory complex totality which may judge that an entity or members of a societal entity can make use of third-density catalyst to recapitulate a learning/teaching which is adjudged to be less than perfect. This especially applies to those entering into and proceeding through sixth-density wherein the balance between compassion and wisdom is perfected.

Why would a 4 5 or 6D Wanderer want to polarize so badly that he would risk getting caught up in a couple 3d cycles, if polarization does not matter?

[unity100]

Well, we seem to have differing views on this.

To achieve this graduation the entity must be able to understand the actions, the movements, and the dance. There is no percentage describable which measures this understanding. It is a measure of efficiency of perception.

For me, this quote speaks for itself. It tells me that the process is determined by internally recognized factors, not by a mere deduction of supposedly objective percentages. Because it's internally referenced it necessarily becomes more artistic in nature--in my view. Furthermore, because we're talking about internal perception, absolute rigidity has little meaning.

that percentage mentioned there, is used as an identifier like the polarity percentage measurement which carries over to this q/a from the other q/as in that topic.

the percentage, like, %57 perception, is not something applicable. but, a definite measure of perception is required, and it is sought for.

it doesnt say that efficiency of perception is not measured. it just says that it cant be presented with a numerical value simply like the 51%.

but, it says, entity needs to be able to receive, accept, enjoy and USE a CERTAIN INTENSITY of light.

that is the measurement. what's measured is the ability to use a CERTAIN INTENSITY of light.

that means, it doesnt matter what you do, if you are not able to use a certain intensity of light, consciously, you cant get past.

it is rigid. the rigidity is in that measurement.

Further support for the artistic point of view is the fact that one can observe the entire evolutionary process--as described in the Ra Material--as a long arc of experiencing creation mainly through external stimuli moving towards experiencing it in a completely self-referential way in 7D. I'm simply offering a view of graduation which echoes this phenomenon. But, apparently, it's not for you.

So, enjoy your free will, my friend, and I'll do the same!

what you speak of, has no relevance to harvest requirements.

in grand scale, harvest requirements are mechanics created similar to the hierarchical physical manifestation of this universe. light, travels in a straight line, it is created as such. and it manifests as such. just as it is mentioned in Ra text, all the mechanics that underlie veil, consciousness, harvest and so on, are created at the start of the octave, and they manifest as such.

you cannot introduce 'interpretation', or 'nonrigid, 'artistic'' evaluation into mechanics. they, act as they are.

Okay, I'm on lunch so I didn't have a chance to read this entire library of posts in this thread, but I'll just address something really quickly to unity100

Why would a 4 5 or 6D Wanderer want to polarize so badly that he would risk getting caught up in a couple 3d cycles, if polarization does not matter?

wanderers' first aim in wandering, is to be of service. then, to make up for any unlearned lessons. not to polarize.

polarization, is needed, when an entity lacks sufficient polarization in its own density, due to whatever reason. its a case-by-case situation.

[Sacred Fool]

The Wanderer, if it remembers and dedicates itself to service, will polarize much more rapidly than is possible in the far more etiolated realms of higher density catalyst.

Why would a 4 5 or 6D Wanderer want to polarize so badly that he would risk getting caught up in a couple 3d cycles, if polarization does not matter?

I agree with what I take to be your implied assumption, W-M, that polarity continues to be important all the way through 7D. Another term used is "spiritual mass," the gaining of which for a 6D entity can, perhaps, be greatly catalyzed by playing the 3D game repeatedly.

Yes, being of service in this density is a goal of wandering, but one of the key ways of doing so is to live here in a way which both increases your own polarity and, at the same time, shows an example of the beauty of that process...in my not-always-so-humble opinion.

[unity100]

im not proposing any such thing. past 3d, balance is more important than polarity. and 6d, is a work of balancing. 'playing the 3d game repeatedly' doesnt have any relevance to spiritual mass. spiritual mass probably refers to various parallel existences of a totality coming back and combining at the totality of the entity.

[Sacred Fool]

im not proposing any such thing. past 3d, balance is more important than polarity. and 6d, is a work of balancing. 'playing the 3d game repeatedly' doesnt have any relevance to spiritual mass. spiritual mass probably refers to various parallel existences of a totality coming back and combining at the totality of the entity.

I know you're not proposing that. I simply disagree...and so does Ra, evidently (see below).

As to spiritual mass...

37.8 Questioner: Thank you. And thank you for that explanation of the mathematics too. Could you define spiritual mass?

Ra: I am Ra. This will be the last full question of this session.

Spiritual mass is that which begins to attract the out-moving and on-going vibratory oscillations of being-ness into the gravity, speaking in a spiritual sense, well of the great central sun, core, or Creator of the infinite universes.

39.4 Questioner: I noticed that most of the basic things seemed to be divided into units which total seven. In looking at a transcript by Henry Puharich of “The Nine” I found a statement by The Nine where they say, “If we get seven times the electrical equivalent of the human body then it would result in sevenon of the mass of electricity.” Could you explain this?

Ra: I am Ra. To explain this is beyond the abilities of your language. We shall, however, make an attempt to address this concept.

As you are aware, in the beginning of the creations set up by each Logos, there are created the complete potentials, both electrical, in the sense the one you call Larson intends, and metaphysical. This metaphysical electricity is as important in the understanding, shall we say, of this statement as is the concept of electricity.

This concept, as you are aware, deals with potentiated energy. The electron has been said to have no mass but only a field. Others claim a mass of infinitesimal measure. Both are correct. The true mass of the potentiated energy is the strength of the field. This is also true metaphysically.

However, in your present physical system of knowledge it is useful to take the mass number of the electron in order to do work that you may find solutions to other questions about the physical universe. In such a way, you may conveniently consider each density of being to have a greater and greater spiritual mass. The mass increases, shall we say, significantly but not greatly until the gateway density. In this density the summing up, the looking backwards—in short—all the useful functions of polarity have been used. Therefore, the metaphysical electrical nature of the individual grows greater and greater in spiritual mass.

For an analog one may observe the work of the one known as Albert who posits the growing to infinity of mass as this mass approaches the speed of light. Thus the seventh-density being, the completed being, the Creator who knows Itself, accumulates mass and compacts into the One Creator once again.

52.12 Questioner: In the previous session you mentioned the lightbringers from the octave. Am I to understand that those who provide the light for the graduation are of an octave above the one we experience? Could you tell me more about these lightbringers, who they are, etc.?

Ra: I am Ra. This will be the last full query of this working.

This octave density of which we have spoken is both omega and alpha, the spiritual mass of the infinite universes becoming one central sun or Creator once again. Then is born a new universe, a new infinity, a new Logos which incorporates all that the Creator has experienced of Itself. In this new octave there are also those who wander. We know very little across the boundary of octave except that these beings come to aid our octave in its Logos completion. Is there any brief query which you have at this time?

First of all, increasing polarization eventually entails balancing, often within a given Density. You can't separate the two. Beyond that, one might observe that the entire evolutionary process--that of more fully becoming the One Creatrix--could be viewed in terms of gaining spiritual mass...not that it isn't complicated...

By the way, it strikes me that the line above in blue confirms that polarity is a useful pursuit not only in 3D, but in 4-6D as well. Interesting, eh?

[unity100]

[quote='peregrine' pid='21197' dateline='1287015864']
I know you're not proposing that. I simply disagree...and so does Ra, evidently (see below).

As to spiritual mass...

[quote]
37.8 Questioner: Thank you. And thank you for that explanation of the mathematics too. Could you define spiritual mass?

Ra: I am Ra. This will be the last full question of this session.

Spiritual mass is that which begins to attract the out-moving and on-going vibratory oscillations of being-ness into the gravity, speaking in a spiritual sense, well of the great central sun, core, or Creator of the infinite universes.

In such a way, you may conveniently consider each density of being to have a greater and greater spiritual mass. The mass increases, shall we say, significantly but not greatly until the gateway density. In this density the summing up, the looking backwards—in short—all the useful functions of polarity have been used. Therefore, the metaphysical electrical nature of the individual grows greater and greater in spiritual mass.[/quote]

you are confusing the process with its cause :

as the entity(ies) close gateway, all the entities' parallel existences start to coalesce in their totality, which, in turn coalesces in the totalities they are a part of (ie, for a single entity, complex totality of the society complex they belong to), and the society complex totalities start to coalesce and combine with whatever higher node they are parts of, and this in turn goes up to the final destination that is the one combined central sun.

it says 'out-moving and on-going vibratory oscillationS of being-ness'.

there is not just one being, there is not just one oscillation. there are infinite variations, stemming and branching out from the central sun. this, is the logos-sublogos-sublogos-sublogos chain, with each sublogos being a part of the sublogos it came out from.

[quote]First of all, increasing polarization eventually entails balancing, often within a given Density. You can't separate the two. Beyond that, one might observe that the entire evolutionary process--that of more fully becoming the One Creatrix--could be viewed in terms of gaining spiritual mass...not that it isn't complicated...

By the way, it strikes me that the line above in blue confirms that polarity is a useful pursuit not only in 3D, but in 4-6D as well. Interesting, eh? [/quote]

balancing is the opposite of polarization. i dont think you have paid attention to that fact yet. you cannot polarize, and become more balanced.

and, in the reference you have made :

[quote]In such a way, you may conveniently consider each density of being to have a greater and greater spiritual mass. The mass increases, shall we say, significantly but not greatly until the gateway density. In this density the summing up, the looking backwards—in short—all the useful functions of polarity have been used. Therefore, the metaphysical electrical nature of the individual grows greater and greater in spiritual mass.[/quote]

it means, the octave ends, the gateway gets reached, at the point where all the useful functions of polarity have been used.

meaning, the balancing process of polarizedness, the polarized situation, positive/negative, male/female, mover/moved, reaches the culmination point.

this does not mean that polarity is a useful thing and continues in higher densities -> it means that polarity is let go, just like how Ra mentions that they seek without polarity, in the later densities.

basically, the 'imbalance in greater balance of the entity' that is created due to polarity action in 3, 4d, is increasingly balanced in later densities, eventually reaching a climax point in which, it is totally left out.

and what is this 'creatrix' that some people are mentioning ?

[Wander-Man]

wanderers' first aim in wandering, is to be of service. then, to make up for any unlearned lessons. not to polarize.

polarization, is needed, when an entity lacks sufficient polarization in its own density, due to whatever reason. its a case-by-case situation.

What is the best way to be of service? What is the relationship between polarity and the efficiency of service?

We seek now without polarity. Thus we do not invoke any power from without, for our search has become internalized as we become light/love and love/light. These are the balances we seek, the balances between compassion and wisdom which more and more allow our understanding of experience to be informed that we may come closer to the unity with the One Creator which we so joyfully seek.

Your rituals at your level of progress contain the concept of polarization and this is most central at your particular space/time.

[unity100]

the 'best way' to be of service, im afraid, is something that is undefinable. it will always depend on time, circumstances. anyone intending to find the best way to serve, will have to commune and counsel with their spiritual circle they are working with - whatever kind ; look into their own spirit, their guides, higher self, society complex they belong to, in short, whatever kind of group is set for that particular incarnation to help the entity.

[Quantum]

wanderers' first aim in wandering, is to be of service. then, to make up for any unlearned lessons. not to polarize.

polarization, is needed, when an entity lacks sufficient polarization in its own density, due to whatever reason. its a case-by-case situation.

Your last sentence is a contradiction to your first sentence, i.e., 1st sentence says: "not to polarize", whereas 2nd sentence says: polarization, is needed, when an entity lacks sufficient polarization in its own density, due to whatever reason.

Which is it? As given by Ra and as has been cited and given repeatedly: see Wander Man post 137 on this thread, see Quantum post 106 before that, as well as other threads. There are three primary reasons, one of which is very much to in fact polarize.

52.9/Ra Wrote:Questioner: I would just include the question as to why the time of harvest is selected by so many Wanderers as time for incarnation?

Ra: I am Ra. There are several reasons for incarnation during harvest. They may be divided by the terms self and other-self.

The overriding reason for the offering of these Brothers and Sisters of Sorrow in incarnative states is the possibility of aiding other-selves by the lightening of the planetary consciousness distortions and the probability of offering catalyst to other-selves which will increase the harvest.

There are two other reasons for choosing this service which have to do with the self.

The Wanderer, if it remembers and dedicates itself to service, will polarize much more rapidly than is possible in the far more etiolated realms of higher density catalyst.

The final reason is within the mind/body/spirit totality or the social memory complex totality which may judge that an entity or members of a societal entity can make use of third-density catalyst to recapitulate a learning/teaching which is adjudged to be less than perfect. This especially applies to those entering into and proceeding through sixth-density wherein the balance between compassion and wisdom is perfected.

~ Q ~

[Wander-Man]

Haha, dog pile on unity100!

the 'best way' to be of service, im afraid, is something that is undefinable. it will always depend on time, circumstances. anyone intending to find the best way to serve, will have to commune and counsel with their spiritual circle they are working with - whatever kind ; look into their own spirit, their guides, higher self, society complex they belong to, in short, whatever kind of group is set for that particular incarnation to help the entity.

You said the Wanderer's first aim is to be of service. Service to others = Positive polarity. A higher polarized person will serve more than one who is not. Therefore, polarization is crucial in achieving the purpose the wanderer set out to accomplish before incarnation.

One thing to remember is that while we may have been from 6D a short time ago, we aren't right now. "Wanderers become completely the creature of third density in mind/body complex." We're starting over, and there's no guarantee we're going back to 6th when we die - we gotta do the work again. It's the sacrifice we've made to help our brothas out, but you already know that!

[unity100]

You said the Wanderer's first aim is to be of service. Service to others = Positive polarity. A higher polarized person will serve more than one who is not. Therefore, polarization is crucial in achieving the purpose the wanderer set out to accomplish before incarnation.

let us remember the below information we have been given by Ra :

- early 6d, service to self polarity ceases. polarities combine
- ra, says they are seeking without polarity, now in 6d. yet, they are still rendering service, to us, to anyone. also, as wanderers, as well as channeled entities.

can Ra be considered service to self ? no. service to others ? according to what they say, yes.

are they polarized ? they say, no.

are they still rendering service ? yes.

therefore, the evident conclusion is, polarity is not service.

lets examine something else :

according to Ra, the polarities of 4d graduates harmoniously approach 99%, even though polarization is not a requirement for 4d harvest.

ra says, they are not polarized, and they are not of those of light, or of those of love.

http://lawofone.info/results.php?session...c=1&ss=1#1

1.1 Questioner: Do you have a specific purpose, and if so, could you tell us something of what your purpose is?

Ra: I am Ra. We communicate now. We, too, have our place. We are not those of the Love or of the Light. We are those who are of the Law of One. In our vibration the polarities are harmonized, the complexities are simplified, and the paradoxes have their solution. We are one. That is our nature and our purpose.

We are old upon your planet and have served with varying degrees of success in transmitting the Law of One, of Unity, of Singleness to your peoples. We have walked your earth. We have seen the faces of your peoples. This is not so with many of the entities of the Confederation. We found it was not efficaceous. However, we then felt the great responsibility of staying in the capacity of removing the distortions and powers that had been given to the Law of One. We will continue in this until your, shall we say, cycle is appropriately ended. If not this one, then the next. We are not a part of time and, thus, are able to be with you in any of your times.

Does this give you enough information from which to extract our purpose, my brother?

that means, they are neither of love polarity, or, light polarity (negative, apparently, or used in place of it, actually it passes a few times in the early sessions, it is a curious point).

that would mean that, since their polarities are also harmonized, a 4d entity upon harvest, would be much more positively polarized than Ra.

so, does that mean, the 4d positive entity, is rendering more service, than a late 6d entity ?

if the answer is yes, then more polarity may mean more service ....

One thing to remember is that while we may have been from 6D a short time ago, we aren't right now. "Wanderers become completely the creature of third density in mind/body complex." We're starting over, and there's no guarantee we're going back to 6th when we die - we gotta do the work again. It's the sacrifice we've made to help our brothas out, but you already know that!

the biases of the spirit, do not go away with 3d incarnation. 3d incarnation means getting attached into a 3d body, in 3d vibration, a veil being put in between conscious and subconscious mind, and the conscious mind being subjected to being a subset of societal mind. spirit reduces vibration, at most, probably, but, it does not change its nature, or biases. and this is what defines what an entity really is, along with all its past in its subconscious mind.

else, there would be nothing left to define the entity, since nothing would be carried from its past, and the entity would have been totally 'resetted', making any incarnation, regardless of getting entangled in planetary karma or not, a one way trip. and that would require going through all the densities up to 6d all over again.

[Sacred Fool]

can Ra be considered service to self ? no. service to others ? according to what they say, yes.

are they polarized ? they say, no.

are they still rendering service ? yes.

therefore, the evident conclusion is, polarity is not service.

I suspect that negation of polarity here is a false construction. RA is STS and is STO. They simply see these as the same thing through the prism of the LOO. In other words, other equals self because all of us, my brother, are simply distortions of the One Creatrix. [By the way, "Creatrix" is the feminine form of "Creator." I find it a touch softer and harbor a preference for that term.]

lets examine something else :

according to Ra, the polarities of 4d graduates harmoniously approach 99%, even though polarization is not a requirement for 4d harvest.

ra says, they are not polarized, and they are not of those of light, or of those of love.

http://lawofone.info/results.php?session...c=1&ss=1#1

1.1 Questioner: Do you have a specific purpose, and if so, could you tell us something of what your purpose is?

Ra: I am Ra. We communicate now. We, too, have our place. We are not those of the Love or of the Light. We are those who are of the Law of One. In our vibration the polarities are harmonized, the complexities are simplified, and the paradoxes have their solution. We are one. That is our nature and our purpose.

We are old upon your planet and have served with varying degrees of success in transmitting the Law of One, of Unity, of Singleness to your peoples. We have walked your earth. We have seen the faces of your peoples. This is not so with many of the entities of the Confederation. We found it was not efficaceous. However, we then felt the great responsibility of staying in the capacity of removing the distortions and powers that had been given to the Law of One. We will continue in this until your, shall we say, cycle is appropriately ended. If not this one, then the next. We are not a part of time and, thus, are able to be with you in any of your times.

Does this give you enough information from which to extract our purpose, my brother?

that means, they are neither of love polarity, or, light polarity (negative, apparently, or used in place of it, actually it passes a few times in the early sessions, it is a curious point).

They don't actually use the terms, "light polarity" or "love polarity," now do they? They appear to be referring to the fact that they are not oriented to the Law of Love nor the Law of Wisdom, but to the Law of One.



It's too bad, U, that you aren't paying mind to the many specific quotes that other people are bringing up which refute your premise. That doesn't seem fair.

[unity100]

I suspect that negation of polarity here is a false construction. RA is STS and is STO. They simply see these as the same thing through the prism of the LOO. In other words, other equals self because all of us, my brother, are simply distortions of the One Creatrix. [By the way, "Creatrix" is the feminine form of "Creator." I find it a touch softer and harbor a preference for that term.]

if two polarized charges combine, the polarity is negated. this is the way it is. 'simply seeing this' -> that is not a 'perspective' matter, or commentation matter. it is something that the entity has to manifest in all facets of its existence. it is not an abstract philosophical matter. it has to be manifested with actions and states of both mind, and the spirit. the laws you speak of are not just abstract concepts.

They don't actually use the terms, "light polarity" or "love polarity," now do they? They appear to be referring to the fact that they are not oriented to the Law of Love nor the Law of Wisdom, but to the Law of One.

and ?

difference ?

orienting according to law of love would entail positive polarity with green ray open, and orienting according to law of wisdom would entail negative polarity with green ray closed.

you seem to be just thinking that those 'laws' are just abstract, perspective concepts in perceiving things. you dont think that they have actual connotations for the way entity manifests itself.

It's too bad, U, that you aren't paying mind to the many specific quotes that other people are bringing up which refute your premise. That doesn't seem fair.

first, noone has brought any quote that refuted my premise, second, i am just choosing not to reply to quantum's posts, on grounds i have mentioned before in two other topics. as you see, i have responded to your 'refutation' as such.

[Wander-Man]

It's nice to see a thread on here that has stirred up passions and debate. Thanks Mr. Unity100. I think you are catalyzing me, haha.

From what I have read from you, Service to others does not necessarily equal positive polarity, since Ra is beyond polarity, but still serves.

But you must admit that positive polarity is service to others. And since anyone on Earth cannot go beyond polarity (it would be like trying to exist beyond the space/time continuum, we just aren't cabable of doing it with these meat slabs called bodies), then we cannot serve without polarizing.
So it's a Wanderer's job to polarize.

Nowhere in the Ra Material does at say Wanderers can serve without polarizing, or that they are beyond polarization. Nowhere does it say that a 3D mind/body/spirit complex can begin to grasp what it's like in 6D. "We ask you to consider as we speak that there are not words for positively describing fourth density. " If there are no words to describe 4th, then imagine how unimaginable 6D is to our brains. I don't think we can really understand living where the "polarities are harmonized."

We, too, have our place. We are not those of the Love or of the Light. We are those who are of the Law of One.

Pretty sure Ra means they aren't from 4th desnity (love) or 5th density (light). I think that was explained in book 5.