Is the Pope influenced by Orion?

[hobbvin82]

I am very intrigued by the current Pope as he seems to display some characteristics of a STO entity, but his very role in the Catholic church points to him being STS.

My Mother mentioned to me recently that her Pastor preached about the Pope being told by God to revise, or rewrite the Ten Commandments.
Those who have read the Ra Material understand that these so called commandments were give to Moses by a member of the Orion group, making them inherently negative.

Could the Pope be receiving communication from Orion, all the while believing it to be from God?
Or, does he know the information he is receiving is from Orion?
Or, is he just making all of this up?

So, is he being manipulated, or is he the manipulator?

I am not Catholic, or follow any Religion for that matter. I am just curious.

Here is the link my Mother mentioned.

http://realnewsrightnow.com/2015/07/pope...mandments/

[YinYang]

I don't really follow what he or the business that he runs get up to, just the rampant paedophilia in that organisation is enough to give me the creeps.

[Reaper]

While she called herself a mystical Christian, Carla went to a Catholic church and was, as far as I can tell, quite devout. Slapping the STS label on any person or organization is never wise in my opinion, unless they are professing to be so themselves.

[YinYang]

I don't think anyone in this thread has slapped an STS label on the entire organisation, for what it's worth. What I did was mention a well known fact.

[hobbvin82]

While she called herself a mystical Christian, Carla went to a Catholic church and was, as far as I can tell, quite devout. Slapping the STS label on any person or organization is never wise in my opinion, unless they are professing to be so themselves.

While I see the validity of your opinion, Ra themselves considered several entities as service to self.

I can see how "slapping the STS label" would not be "wise" if it was used as a rash generalization. This is not however, my intention.


Let me rephrase. I am curious as to whether the Pope, regardless of his polarity, is influenced by Orion or not.

[YinYang]

unless they are professing to be so themselves

I would also love to see any church, cult or politician who professes to be evil, STS by it's very nature is about deception.

[YinYang]

The only thing I know hobbvin, is that Malachi Martin who was a Catholic priest end exorcist, wrote a number of books, and he basically said that the Catholic church is satanic. People can decide for themselves whether they believe him or not.

[Bring4th_Austin]

While she called herself a mystical Christian, Carla went to a Catholic church and was, as far as I can tell, quite devout. Slapping the STS label on any person or organization is never wise in my opinion, unless they are professing to be so themselves.

Minor correction: Carla went to an Episcopal church, which is not hierarchically related to the Catholic church. Very similar ceremony-wise. "All of the ceremony and half of the guilt," as they say.

But your point is still very true. Some of the greatest spiritual mystics, modern and historical, have come from the Catholic church. 

[YinYang]

I thought Carla was Episcopal. All 3 members of the "elder race" mentioned in the Ra material were Catholics, although if you read their individual stories, they were pretty much mavericks, especially St. Francis.

I also believe if an organisation sets itself up as a public entity, they are liable to public scrutiny. The moment we start silencing the whistle blowers, we're screwed.

[Minyatur]

While she called herself a mystical Christian, Carla went to a Catholic church and was, as far as I can tell, quite devout. Slapping the STS label on any person or organization is never wise in my opinion, unless they are professing to be so themselves.

While I see the validity of your opinion, Ra themselves considered several entities as service to self.

I can see how "slapping the STS label" would not be "wise" if it was used as a rash generalization. This is not however, my intention.


Let me rephrase. I am curious as to whether the Pope, regardless of his polarity, is influenced by Orion or not.

Ra also stated that it is quite impossible to judge the polarity of an act or an entity.

The catholic church is a big organization and I could very well see many STO wanderers incarnating to work with it, just as one of them becoming Pope.

About being influenced by Orion or not, I wonder if there is any on this forum that is not. Trying to debunk STS in others seems not like a positive influenced seeking to begin with and seems more focused upon separation than unity.

[YinYang]

Where did Ra say it's impossible to judge the polarity of an act or an entity? I think if there was one thing Ra did really well, it was to equip us with the ability to finally distinguish between acts and behaviour of the positive polarity and acts and behaviour of the negative polarity, as opposed to the church's definition of right and wrong.

Ra also said we are capable of such discernment ourselves:

Questioner: Can you tell me about what percentage is Orion-influenced in both the Old and the New Testaments?

Ra: We prefer that this be left to the discretion of those who seek the Law of One. We are not speaking in order to judge. Such statements would be construed by some of those who may read this material as judgmental. We can only suggest a careful reading and inward digestion of the contents. The understandings will become obvious.

Also, we live in a polarised world, if we didn't seek justice for victims, where would that leave us? The very process of seeking justice for victims entails judgement on the perpetrator.

[BlatzAdict]

I am very intrigued by the current Pope as he seems to display some characteristics of a STO entity, but his very role in the Catholic church points to him being STS.

My Mother mentioned to me recently that her Pastor preached about the Pope being told by God to revise, or rewrite the Ten Commandments.
Those who have read the Ra Material understand that these so called commandments were give to Moses by a member of the Orion group, making them inherently negative.

Could the Pope be receiving communication from Orion, all the while believing it to be from God?
Or, does he know the information he is receiving is from Orion?
Or, is he just making all of this up?

So, is he being manipulated, or is he the manipulator?

I am not Catholic, or follow any Religion for that matter. I am just curious.

Here is the link my Mother mentioned.

http://realnewsrightnow.com/2015/07/pope...mandments/

I think the fortold mass awakening is occuring, and the Pope is just trying to save face so people don't catch his STS behind closed doors actions. HONESTLY HONESTLY I AM SO GRATEFUL for these times. As we approach harvest the vibration is intensifyingly bringing all to be witnessed.

His child raping days are over! He also has to know the Ten commandments are coming from a negative source already, but the only reason why he is doing so now is because something is forcing his hand.

I also know he is trying to start a one world religion to set up the foundation for what could be very close to the Law of One, then sprinkle it with half truths and dogma. I don't have a thing against Catholics, I have a thing against the actions of the pope, and his secret life. Along with previous popes who have been chosen to lead all have skeletons in their closets and a history of allowing abuse to continue, regionally throughout the world in Roman catholic branches, a long history of child abuse.

I hope the whole thing gets dismantled, we don't need any more distortions and half truths to muddle down the vibration anymore. I was told he would do everything he could to salvage the Roman Catholic church in light of the awakening, but then still continue his dark acts behind closed doors. Perhaps it's 4D naïveté' , though I feel we need to create the reality we want to see and live in. I feel like I can no longer sit and accept nor allow stuff like this to continue, mostly child rape. 

By being able to face the darkness that is uncomfortable with firm compassionate and humility with love, I believe all of the dark secrets of the world will be able to air out, heal, and transmuted back into what wanderers came here to do.

i study corporate law and banning genetically modified foods is a double edged statement. because currently you have gmo practices designed to make plants more resilient to have chemicals sprayed on them.

Technically, isn't placing seeds and food crops inside a pyramid also count as genetic modification though the mechanism poorly understood, is a modification to benefit all rather than a modification to benefit the few.

[hobbvin82]

I think the fortold mass awakening is occuring, and the Pope is just trying to save face so people don't catch his STS behind closed doors actions. HONESTLY HONESTLY I AM SO GRATEFUL for these times. As we approach harvest the vibration is intensifyingly bringing all to be witnessed.

His child raping days are over! He also has to know the Ten commandments are coming from a negative source already, but the only reason why he is doing so now is because something is forcing his hand.

I also know he is trying to start a one world religion to set up the foundation for what could be very close to the Law of One, then sprinkle it with half truths and dogma. I don't have a thing against Catholics, I have a thing against the actions of the pope, and his secret life. Along with previous popes who have been chosen to lead all have skeletons in their closets and a history of allowing abuse to continue, regionally throughout the world in Roman catholic branches, a long history of child abuse.

I hope the whole thing gets dismantled, we don't need any more distortions and half truths to muddle down the vibration anymore. I was told he would do everything he could to salvage the Roman Catholic church in light of the awakening, but then still continue his dark acts behind closed doors. Perhaps it's 4D naïveté' , though I feel we need to create the reality we want to see and live in. I feel like I can no longer sit and accept nor allow stuff like this to continue, mostly child rape. 

By being able to face the darkness that is uncomfortable with firm compassionate and humility with love, I believe all of the dark secrets of the world will be able to air out, heal, and transmuted back into what wanderers came here to do.

Thank you for your response. I feel that as we approach the dimensional shift, we will begin to see more and more negative influences for what they are. They cannot hide their atrocities forever. I am starting to get the impression that the Pope is doing to the faithful Catholics what the Orion group did to Moses when he was given the commandments. He is masking negativity with love, making it seem that his actions are STO, but truly, they are STS.

As more and more Wanderers incarnate here to help increase the Harvest, I feel that we will certainly see a lot of the negativity start to, as you put it "air out, and heal".

[hobbvin82]

Where did Ra say it's impossible to judge the polarity of an act or an entity? I think if there was one thing Ra did really well, it was to equip us with the ability to finally distinguish between acts and behaviour of the positive polarity and acts and behaviour of the negative polarity, as opposed to the church's definition of right and wrong.

Ra also said we are capable of such discernment ourselves:

Questioner: Can you tell me about what percentage is Orion-influenced in both the Old and the New Testaments?

Ra: We prefer that this be left to the discretion of those who seek the Law of One. We are not speaking in order to judge. Such statements would be construed by some of those who may read this material as judgmental. We can only suggest a careful reading and inward digestion of the contents. The understandings will become obvious.

Also, we live in a polarised world, if we didn't seek justice for victims, where would that leave us? The very process of seeking justice for victims entails judgement on the perpetrator.

Thank you so much for your responses. I agree with you. We are most certainly capable of discerning between the two types of actions. Exactly what Ra said, we aren't judging people for their actions. I don't judge anyone for anything they do, because who am I to do that? How can we actively seek the Law of One and move forward in our chosen polarity if we can't discern between what are STO & STS actions?

Thank you again for your active responses.

[hobbvin82]

The catholic church is a big organization and I could very well see many STO wanderers incarnating to work with it, just as one of them becoming Pope.

About being influenced by Orion or not, I wonder if there is any on this forum that is not. Trying to debunk STS in others seems not like a positive influenced seeking to begin with and seems more focused upon separation than unity.

You make a good point about Orion influence. Yes, I am sure all of us, especially those of us who are Wanderers have at some point been actively influenced upon from Orion.
However, just because they attempt to trick you, doesn't me you can be tricked. This comes down to discernment.

The concept of "separation" is not a term that I understand as I know that all is one. There is absolutely no way to be separate from anything. Regardless of whether you perceive my question to be focused on separation or not.

[Minyatur]

Where did Ra say it's impossible to judge the polarity of an act or an entity?

93.3 Questioner: Thank you. The foundation of our present illusion we have stated previously to be the concept of polarity. I would ask that since we have defined the two polarities as service to others and service to self, is there a more complete or eloquent or enlightening definition or any more information that we don’t have at this time on the two ends of the poles that would give us a better insight into the nature of polarity itself?
Ra: I am Ra. It is unlikely that there is a more pithy or eloquent description of the polarities of third density than service to others and service to self due to the nature of the mind/body/spirit complexes’ distortions towards perceiving concepts relating to philosophy in terms of ethics or activity. However, we might consider the polarities using slightly variant terms. In this way a possible enrichment of insight might be achieved for some.

One might consider the polarities with the literal nature enjoyed by the physical polarity of the magnet. The negative and positive, with their electrical characteristics, may be seen to be just as in the physical sense. It is to be noted in this context that it is quite impossible to judge the polarity of an act or an entity, just as it is impossible to judge the relative goodness of the negative and positive poles of the magnet.

Another method of viewing polarities might involve the concept of radiation/absorption. That which is positive is radiant; that which is negative is absorbent.

[Minyatur]

The catholic church is a big organization and I could very well see many STO wanderers incarnating to work with it, just as one of them becoming Pope.

About being influenced by Orion or not, I wonder if there is any on this forum that is not. Trying to debunk STS in others seems not like a positive influenced seeking to begin with and seems more focused upon separation than unity.

You make a good point about Orion influence. Yes, I am sure all of us, especially those of us who are Wanderers have at some point been actively influenced upon from Orion.
However, just because they attempt to trick you, doesn't me you can be tricked. This comes down to discernment.

Indeed, taking note of the charge of the thoughts you entertain.

The concept of "separation" is not a term that I understand as I know that all is one. There is absolutely no way to be separate from anything. Regardless of whether you perceive my question to be focused on separation or not.

While I get this perspective, it does not change that we experience separation in many ways or dimensions within the illusions that create this experience of our united self.

Polarity springs forth through separation only, both polarities.

[YinYang]

Where did Ra say it's impossible to judge the polarity of an act or an entity?

93.3 Questioner: Thank you. The foundation of our present illusion we have stated previously to be the concept of polarity. I would ask that since we have defined the two polarities as service to others and service to self, is there a more complete or eloquent or enlightening definition or any more information that we don’t have at this time on the two ends of the poles that would give us a better insight into the nature of polarity itself?
Ra: I am Ra. It is unlikely that there is a more pithy or eloquent description of the polarities of third density than service to others and service to self due to the nature of the mind/body/spirit complexes’ distortions towards perceiving concepts relating to philosophy in terms of ethics or activity. However, we might consider the polarities using slightly variant terms. In this way a possible enrichment of insight might be achieved for some.

One might consider the polarities with the literal nature enjoyed by the physical polarity of the magnet. The negative and positive, with their electrical characteristics, may be seen to be just as in the physical sense. It is to be noted in this context that it is quite impossible to judge the polarity of an act or an entity, just as it is impossible to judge the relative goodness of the negative and positive poles of the magnet.

Another method of viewing polarities might involve the concept of radiation/absorption. That which is positive is radiant; that which is negative is absorbent.

I find this a little contradictory then in the face of the foundation of the material which lays out the distinction between the two polarities. If we take a known case of an almost life long enslavement and rape of one entity by another against her will, like the Fritzl case, is it then impossible to ascribe that act to the negative polarity? Sorry to use such a horrific example, but that was at least one instance where I was 100% sure I'm looking at evil.

[BlatzAdict]

the separation that we experience however is illusory when it is understood that there is a constant connection to source and to spirit.

If we relegate separation to the five senses then that is only what we get. However I've spoken to dead people and this ability seems to mature more and more without my realizing.


If everything is one, then everything is at your fingertips including the communication and contact with any soul, et or earth based, by the faculty of will, faith, and concentration, one can manifest these abilities psychically. While the same cannot be easily said about a student or adept of the Law of One, most people don't understand that more often than not, our thoughts are not our own. Negative entities can only come in when there is an opening in a chakra that corresponds with one of our own internal blockages or misunderstandings in the awakening STO path. Sorry if I'm rambling.

Separation is an illusion. Unity in third density takes hard work and faith to experience. I would not have been able to get out of my body had I decided that it was not possible to do, but because I decided it was possible to do, I was able to allow it to being.

The Law of One was written before the advent of quantum physics, and now that we know that consciousness affects reality by perception, then we know that the Law of One is an advanced teaching of what was yet to be discovered. In that our perceptions create reality, by virtue of our co creator inherent within each of our indvidual sparks of infinite creator.

Like polarity, I think this is irrelevant in the way of divisive thinking rather than unification. I'm starting to understand Ra's Laws of Squaring with this mindset. There is no hell, then there is no evil, there is love and there is the absence of love. With that in mind there is nothing bad or inherently evil about this. It's as neutral as pushing and pulling, expanding and contracting, inhaling and exhaling. I think that the notion of needing to polarize may not make sense since everyone from birth is capable of experiencing the imagination, experiencing joy, and compassion, and it is only by human society that these traits are taught to be repressed or ignored.

With that said it is the natural state of being that seems to have more respect and compassion because it is already inherent, it isn't until we have already established institutions that enforce separation of duality, rather than duality as two integral parts of 1 whole. I think this is mirrored in academia that seeks to separate each and every avenue of intense study. It was not a suprise to me to find inter related studies, like priests and monks starting to work together with scientists, because I feel the Law of One is a spiritual science where it is information coming with the full understanding that the two are inseparable as light/love and love/light.

separation or polarity comes from choice, and choice comes from free will. Free will comes from love, love comes from awareness. Ultimately all of it comes from love, to understand love better. That's my personal take.

To get back on track, I can't wait for that child rapist, and everyone he worked with to get put in bars so there can be true justice. I remember the last time we had this Atlantis time, everyone wanted to kill and hang them. These times may incite a higher mercy, for justice by due process rather than justice by an angry mob. I believe this is the reason why Earth failed to graduate in the last harvesting cycle. I also found Russell Brand to also be a rapist and handler so be careful with what he says.

The STS method is putting oneself in a place to seem like a holy man, the STS method to manipulate others can only be as controlling as the level of awareness that the person listening will be able to comprehend. The Law of One elaborates that they must tell the truth, and towards the end insert their own distortion. I would go a step farther and state that these indviduals constantly talk about the problems of the world, however they never, ever discuss solutions. They only discuss getting people to be upset, and to be put into a fear state, getting people to acknowledge the injustice in the world, rather than what is being done to stop it.

I have been told, put energy into what you want to see in the world, don't put energy into what you don't want to see in the world. The STS would have the people focus on the problems of the world, rather than the solution, which manifests the state of lack and a diminishing state to the happiness and well safety of that individual who is so focused on the specific thoughtform.


The STO individuals seeks to inform of the problem, but also provide the solution rather than dwelling in the state of what is. Which is a form of accepting what is rather than rejecting what is. Once someone is able to accept what is, and understand what is, then they are able to conjure what it is that they want. If people are kept in this state it is a form of brainwashing. It is like the yearly donations for breast cancer.

We have had people talk about potentially 100 percent safe life saving ways to cure cancer.
 

However you have the pharmaceutical industry that actively seeks to censor this type of information, to promolgate the use of pharamcuticals and drug patents. They are not looking for the cure and are looking for a way to monetize relief, rather than looking to cure.



The great awakening is now and harvest approaches.

[APeacefulWarrior]

I find this a little contradictory then in the face of the foundation of the material which lays out the distinction between the two polarities. If we take a known case of an almost life long enslavement and rape of one entity by another against her will, like the Fritzl case, is it then impossible to ascribe that act to the negative polarity? Sorry to use such a horrific example, but that was at least one instance where I was 100% sure I'm looking at evil.

It's as Ra said.   You can never be 100% sure of someone's intentions or judgement.  Even in the most extreme of cases.  You're certainly free to take guesses, but that's all they are.  Guesses.  There is no such thing as absolute certainty during 3D incarnation.  Ra got to tell us about certain entities' polarity because he resides in a part of timespace where polarity is as easily-distinguished as skin color is for us.  But we don't have access to that level of insight into people's inner being-ness.  The distortions that separate us all make it impossible.

Further, even if you have posited a case where most people are going to make the same guess, that really does not substantiate passing judgments on much more complex individuals in much more complex circumstances.  There's a handful of people whose polarity I'm willing to guess at as well, but that still leaves 99.9999999999% of the population where I'd never want to presume to guess.

As for the unfortunate you discussed, what it boils down to is this:  Regardless of what WE think of his actions, if somehow - no matter how mind-bogglingly distorted it was to anyone else - he had honestly convinced himself he was doing a helpful thing by keeping that woman captive, then there's still a chance he was acting from positive impulses.  I mean, such a mental state would be waaaaay past "insane" by human standards, but insane is not necessarily evil.  Even if the insanity produces actions which would appear evil to outsiders, it's HIS perceptions\distortions, and no one else's, that determine his polarity.

Which is another part of how\why polarity is impossible to ever judge with certainty, and can never be deduced from actions with true reliability.

Or, a related real-life example:  Every few years, there's a horrible case of a mother murdering their own child because they've become convinced the child has a demon in them and has to be rescued by freeing their soul.  Most people would say that kindercide is evil.  But assuming the mothers are telling the truth about their motivations (which is yet another thing we cannot know for certain) they honestly believed they were performing a necessary service for the greater good of the child's eternal spirit.  Hence, not necessarily negative.  

We just can't tell.

I really think those who are seriously trying to pursue the positive path should avoid passing these sorts of judgments whenever possible.  The positive path is the path of inclusion, acceptance, and universal love.  Worrying overmuch about whether or not someone is "evil" or "negative" is, by itself, mildly contrary to the positive energies.  Fundamentally, "us versus them" is a negative attitude, no matter what exact form it takes.

[BlatzAdict]

Based on your real life example. i disagree with your statement because the yellow chakra is dependently open based on how other selves view you. if the mother is doing something like that to the child even if they have the best intent, it's not respectful of the free will or choices of that child.

Then it goes into what the child thought about having their life ended early and whether or not that child was able to find forgiveness or was hurt by the act. Just because one has a positively polarized intent does not necessarily mean that translate into a positively polarized action, and it is the action that we act on is what is judged, rather than the intent.

You can intend the best things in the world, but without proper follow through, then intent and action are two separate things. Most of the time people intend something good but not necessarily within the qualities and viewpoint of the one receiving it. Isn't it then ignoring the prime responsibility of how to serve others, which is to serve others how they would like to be served.

Otherwise you miss a very fundamental point of service to others, it's not just how we see things from our own single perspective.

[YinYang]

I agree with you that judgement isn't recommended, PeacefulWarrior. It does steer one away from oneness and creates division. I remind myself regularly to steer away from it when my mind goes there, but in our 3D reality here on earth we can't escape it, because if we don't protect victims from perpetrators, mayhem will ensue. And as I mentioned earlier, the very judicial system relies on judgement, of which the end result is the enslavement of an entity, Fritzl himself, and in that case "enslavement" (imprisonment), was with positive intent...a paradox.

It gets murky, to say the least, but this is an interesting philosophical discussion to me. And thanks also for that excerpt, Minya, I somehow missed that bit in the material.

[YinYang]

Just because one has a positively polarized intent does not necessarily mean that translate into a positively polarized action, and it is the action that we act on is what is judged, rather than the intent.

Here I have to agree with you, and also the negative polarity doesn't see their actions as "wrong" necessarily. Remember that Ra said Hitler was trying to 'unify', by creating the elite and the enslaved.

[WanderingOZ]

I am very intrigued by the current Pope as he seems to display some characteristics of a STO entity, but his very role in the Catholic church points to him being STS.

My Mother mentioned to me recently that her Pastor preached about the Pope being told by God to revise, or rewrite the Ten Commandments.
Those who have read the Ra Material understand that these so called commandments were give to Moses by a member of the Orion group, making them inherently negative.

Could the Pope be receiving communication from Orion, all the while believing it to be from God?
Or, does he know the information he is receiving is from Orion?
Or, is he just making all of this up?

So, is he being manipulated, or is he the manipulator?

I am not Catholic, or follow any Religion for that matter. I am just curious.

Here is the link my Mother mentioned.

http://realnewsrightnow.com/2015/07/pope...mandments/

The Catholic Church are the remnants of the roman empire. Their emperors thought they deserved to be worshiped as gods. Sounds like STS to me. If it quakes like a duck than it usually is a duck. The so called ulluminate us the vaticàn as its bank as do most intelligence agencies. The pope asumes he has the only direct line the our creators. Quack, quake
How many beautyfull people have been slaughtered in the name of their god.
WanderingOZ

[APeacefulWarrior]

Then it goes into what the child thought about having their life ended early and whether or not that child was able to find forgiveness or was hurt by the act. Just because one has a positively polarized intent does not necessarily mean that translate into a positively polarized action, and it is the action that we act on is what is judged, rather than the intent.

This is where your thinking starts going awry.  Even if perception is always a factor in things, polarity is still for large part independent of outside perceptions.  Polarity is an inherent part of a being's makeup.  And judging, specifically, is only an incarnative action. The word has very little meaning without a veil imposing ignorance on us.

You can intend the best things in the world, but without proper follow through, then intent and action are two separate things. Most of the time people intend something good but not necessarily within the qualities and viewpoint of the one receiving it. Isn't it then ignoring the prime responsibility of how to serve others, which is to serve others how they would like to be served.

With all respect, you're simply placing too much emphasis on outcomes.  When it comes to polarity -which is an expression of underlying energetic impulses- intent truly is the bigger determinant.  And I'll back that up:

For one thing, Ra said unambiguously (in 17.2):  It is impossible to help another being directly. It is only possible to make catalyst available in whatever form.

That, by itself, directly implies that non-desirous outcomes can result from entirely well-meaning positive\helpful interactions, and without it being the "fault" of the entity providing the catalyst.  The ability to predict outcomes with any real accuracy requires being able to read the possibility/probability vortices, and that is a trick which requires a lot of high-level wisdom.  And also remember that there is basically no such thing as certainty in predictions, full stop.  Even Ra would only speak in terms of probabilities and near-certainties.

You can NEVER be sure that any action, no matter how positive the intentions, will necessarily bring about positive outcomes.  Especially not in super-distorted 3D Land, where any action can easily be mis-interpreted.

Q'uo has also spoken on this topic in a number of transcripts and said, very specifically, that outcomes are far less important than intentions when it comes to polarization.  For example:

We assure you that, in the process of forming the intention, at each moment that you form such an intention to seek and to serve the one infinite Creator, to heighten your devotion to the one infinite Creator, or to increase your passion for developing your will in order to maximize your service to the Creator, you have done work that, in a magical sense, is highly polarizing regardless of the actual outcome of your intention.

And on top of that, BOTH of them advise repeatedly that one should seek to serve the Creator without attachments to outcome at all. Ra mentioned (in 44.1), "Allow decisions to be made without expectation or attachment to the outcome."  Q'uo absolutely hammers on that lesson whenever a chance arises.  Just search on the word outcome in Q'uo's teachings and it's in practically every mention of the term. Do what feels right, and leave outcomes to The Creator to determine.

Outcome is not nearly as important in a cosmic sense as underlying intentions/polarity.  And those are precisely what we cannot correctly perceive in veiled incarnations.

[YinYang]

To get back to the "saga of polarity" as Ra calls it, there is resistance on both sides of what the other has to offer, and this continues into the densities above our own as well, and the very resistance is judgement. There are constant battles in 4D. We are not going to bypass that "resistance" here in 3D.

Questioner: Could you amplify the meaning of what you said by “failure to accept that which is given?”

Ra: I am Ra. At the level of time/space at which this takes place in the form of what you may call thought-war, the most accepting and loving energy would be to so love those who wished to manipulate that those entities were surrounded, engulfed, and transformed by positive energies.

This, however, being a battle of equals, the Confederation is aware that it cannot, on equal footing, allow itself to be manipulated in order to remain purely positive, for then though pure it would not be of any consequence, having been placed by the so-called powers of darkness under the heel, as you may say.

It is thus that those who deal with this thought-war must be defensive rather than accepting in order to preserve their usefulness in service to others. Thusly, they cannot accept fully what the Orion Confederation wishes to give, that being enslavement. Thusly, some polarity is lost due to this friction and both sides, if you will, must then regroup.

It has not been fruitful for either side. The only consequence which has been helpful is a balancing of the energies available to this planet so that these energies have less necessity to be balanced in this space/time, thus lessening the chances of planetary annihilation.

[APeacefulWarrior]

And yet in the very same session, Ra ultimately says that direct battles cease above 4th Density specifically because all entities 5D+ have become wise enough to realize such battles are futile wastes of energy.

It really is just as arbitrary as Blue vs Orange in video games like Team Fortress. All victories are transitory. All energetic exertions are nullified. Victory. Loss. Victory. Loss. Fight one battle, regroup, fight another, regroup, and repeat ad nauseum until everyone's sick of it and moves onto the next game. But, of course, if one chooses to be part of such games, and finds them fulfilling, that's their business and part of their own developmental path.

I would say, however, it would likely be better if one recognizes the fundamentally arbitrary nature of such pastimes and chooses to participate on those terms, rather than believing it to be somehow fated or unavoidable. One who realizes and accepts how transitory such battles are -even if they then still choose to keep "playing along"- would be well on their way to achieving greater levels of wisdom.

(Especially since the outcomes are out of their hands anyway.)

[YinYang]

I think you are neglecting the essence of what Ra has said here, without participating in the battle, it's bye-bye positive polarity... so it's a balancing act, which also balances 3D. Also, we're in 3D, we are not even approaching the wisdom density yet.

I just find the grand overview that all ends well, a comfort here in 3D.

[ada]

The whispers are available to all, I'd assume it's very likely as religion only causes separation.

[ScottK]

Could the Pope be receiving communication from Orion, all the while believing it to be from God?
Or, does he know the information he is receiving is from Orion?
Or, is he just making all of this up?

So, is he being manipulated, or is he the manipulator?

My understanding is that the Pope/Black Pope (Jesuit) along with the Crown (British), are among the highest level incarnated entities who directly report to the Orion Group, or as others would call them, the Orion Reptillians.  Some believe that the Pope is reptillian himself, but that's a bit too speculative for me.

The Rothschilds and other of the top Illuminati families are in there too.

Of course, since their plans are in the process of failing, their underlings are in the process of being thrown under bus, in order for the bigwigs to save themselves.  It's really gonna get interesting when banks start closing.