Courting the maiden

[Night Owl]

Minyatur has it. It works really well but the batteries are complete garbage though. Might wanna buy more than the two that comes with it. They literally do not last longer than 2 refill. You gotta get used to it though as you are the one who create the contact between battery and element and if you keep too long it can burn. That is why it is cheap. It is a kind of crossover pipe/vape. Some people really like the feel of real smoke in which case this is closer to a pipe than an electronic vape which cannot burn the weed. It is either a beginner/advanced vape because it is cheap and will get you used to vaping for beginners but an advanced user will also get what he wants because the user is in control and you can get the maximum out of it. I find that if I sleep 2 hours after vaping I'm completely recovered while smoke gets me down until the day after which is not a desired effect usually. Definitely worth it. If you do some exercising your lungs will have an easier time opening completely. It does get you higher but that is just a plus. It feels to me like it just do what I was always expecting out of all the other ways of smoking but never really had. There's no real down with vaping really. And I think it also lets me dream more while smoke used to shutdown my dream world and just got me KO.

[YinYang]

I think I will bow out of this thread as we never come to find mutual understanding.

We won't come to a mutual understanding, and that's fine, you can of course believe anything you wish. It just doesn't make much sense to engage in a discussion on a forum where most everyone here believe Ra's version of events relating to the progression of the densities, when you believe otherwise.

And to skip back to romantic love which you also seem to have a problem with, well, romantic love is the norm amongst young lovers, which makes sense that it is used in an analogy. There are of course exceptions like asexual people, but it doesn't make much sense to use an exception to explain a concept. The exception does not negate the rule.

Ra: I am Ra. We speak in generalities which is dangerous for always inaccurate. However, we realize you look for the overview; so we will eliminate anomalies and speak of majorities.

However, as each entity is unique, generalities are our lot when communicating for your possible edification.

[ada]

I feel there is yet much distortion even in Ra's channeling for us to present an absolute, for our language is not perfect and we have much separation.

[YinYang]

This is a personal thing, since there is no proof, which is why Ra favoured this method of transmitting information, because people can accept or reject it, thus no infringement.

As for absolutes and relatives, the way in which the densities progress, isn't a relative concept in the Ra material open to a multitude of understandings, and if we can't find common ground on these core and fundamental understandings in the material, it leaves little room for moving onto more abstract and intuitive concepts like the archetypes which requires leaps of insight.

[ada]

If we were all one thought, would we still require language/words to communicate?
When dealing with seperation distortions occure even if we read the same material. Would you agree on that?

[YinYang]

You are now using the entire body of material, where there is a multitude of concepts which are interpreted uniquely by everyone, which muddies the water, when the topic in question at the moment is specific, and understood by all in the same way. There is no distortion when Ra says there is one 3rd density cycle of a certain length on this planet, at the end of which there is a harvest, after which the planet is 4D. There's no room for one to interpret it this way and another that way, like harvests being missed and 3rd density cycles repeating...

[ada]

Let's assume the Atlantis/Egypt people would remain on the right path, converting the whole globe to a postive STO only of love/light and light/love. Wouldn't that lead to an earlier end of cycle?
Because what you are saying is somewhat destiny, which leaves no room for free will.

[YinYang]

No it won't lead to a premature ending of the cycle, if cycle length is fixed. Why do you feel it interferes with free will? If we use 3rd density as an example, during the 75 000 year cycle, you can think, feel and act as you please and make any choices you wish. When harvest comes, you either graduate to 4D, or you don't and repeat another 3D cycle on another planet where you once again have total free will.

[Minyatur]

I think I will bow out of this thread as we never come to find mutual understanding.

We won't come to a mutual understanding, and that's fine, you can of course believe anything you wish. It just doesn't make much sense to engage in a discussion on a forum where most everyone here believe Ra's version of events relating to the progression of the densities, when you believe otherwise.

While you say this again, I already stated that I do not believe to disbelieve these things as they were presented by Ra although my interpretation of this material and others differ from the understanding you have gained for yourself.

The quote does say the earth will harvest, but nowhere does it state that a 3D major cycle cannot be repeated like you seem to imply it does.

And to skip back to romantic love which you also seem to have a problem with, well, romantic love is the norm amongst young lovers, which makes sense that it is used in an analogy. There are of course exceptions like asexual people, but it doesn't make much sense to use an exception to explain a concept. The exception does not negate the rule.

While I really don't have a thing against romantic love, this archetype speaks not of finding yourself a mate within this world but about unveiling portion of your mind, which is a tool of the mind.

Sexuality has little to do with the archetype (I am definitely not asexual anyway) and you are not really meant to develop sexual feelings for your High Priestess (unless it feels right to you) but instead seek to either interact with her through a positive focus of harmony where both yourself and your unconscious ressources are considered and evolve somewhat alongside, or through negative focus of disharmony where the High Priestess exists for yourself and your own will alone, to be used as you please while disregarding her wisdom and feelings. That is what I make of the analogy.

Romantic love or not, I have focused that the image represents a polarized relationship which I still haven't understood why you and jade felt like it takes everything away.

I think there is a reason why the first time Ra expanded upon the archetype it was said that the student of mysteries is transformed by a need to choose betwixt the light and dark in mind, whereas at a later time the more colorful analogy was given to further create a realization toward the archetype. I believe this means that what was first given is the most undistorted version whereas what was later given is the more useful version toward the receivers and some potential receivers.

I truly never did deny the duality presented anywhere within the description, and if to you to be positive is stictly contained within a romantic form of love, then it is all good for you, but I doubt it is realistic to expect each other person to attain a realization of this archetype based upon a romantic angle, While this did not prevent me from analyzing and understanding the archetype, perceiving why the image was given and what it hints toward, I can still understand that it's purpose is meant to hint more than fully contain, and that it is also given so that each ponders about and seek within.

Unlike what you seem to say, I do not disagree with what was given, nor do I think it is an unwell representation of what it speaks of. If you feel like everything I say is dissonant with the understanding that you found within yourself, that is well but you will not make me admit I disbelieve what is given by Ra when I don't.

[Minyatur]

Since I felt a need to write again because I believe my perspective to be heavily misunderstood, I will do a synthesis of what I tried to add to the initial description of the archetype made within this thread.

The lines between courting and plundering is unique to the self and as such how another uses this (much like polarity) cannot be evaluated by another. As such you can only draw lines for yourself and not others. (although you can definitely force another to face a transformation, whether that is positive or negative to do is up to debate)

The lines you draw between courting and plundering are ever subject to change through further experience of the previous archetypes the mind, I believe this is why Ra says that the student of mystery is transformed by a need to choose betwixt the light and dark in mind. As such to me the triangle in the image represents a newly gained understanding of things, a need foothold of the mind upon which a choice has to be made. As such the lines that were drawn before can be brought up to be seen differently with time, and what was understood as courting can become plundering if kept with a new understanding, and so require to be let go of to remain positive although it was initially positive to move on to this same distortion. As such, courting/plundering should not be seen as fixed but as something abstract and ever subject to change imo. And whether one wants it or not, through conscious/unconscious use of the previous archetypes, there comes times where you face a need to choose and let go, again and again.

Although useful, a romantic focus is not the whole of it as many of your interactions with your High Priestess and others will not be felt as being romantic.

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Wanted to share this image related to the thread


Frank Cheyne Papé (1878–1972)

[Jade]

Minyatur has it. It works really well but the batteries are complete garbage though. Might wanna buy more than the two that comes with it. They literally do not last longer than 2 refill. You gotta get used to it though as you are the one who create the contact between battery and element and if you keep too long it can burn. That is why it is cheap. It is a kind of crossover pipe/vape. Some people really like the feel of real smoke in which case this is closer to a pipe than an electronic vape which cannot burn the weed. It is either a beginner/advanced vape because it is cheap and will get you used to vaping for beginners but an advanced user will also get what he wants because the user is in control and you can get the maximum out of it. I find that if I sleep 2 hours after vaping I'm completely recovered while smoke gets me down until the day after which is not a desired effect usually. Definitely worth it. If you do some exercising your lungs will have an easier time opening completely. It does get you higher but that is just a plus. It feels to me like it just do what I was always expecting out of all the other ways of smoking but never really had. There's no real down with vaping really. And I think it also lets me dream more while smoke used to shutdown my dream world and just got me KO.

I felt sad initially reading your post, but then I realized I live in Colorado, and I can probably find a decent used one for a good price. After looking, it seems I can get a nice piece (like a silver surfer or volcano) for $100 or less. I think I'm gonna maybe do it.

[Jade]

Our meditation this morning was about Summer, and before it started (and throughout the day now) I've had "Doin Time" by Sublime in my head. I checked out the lyrics, and I had to chuckle - it's about the prostitute!

Now, when I say it's "about the prostitute", I'm saying it's about the archetypical movement that Ra is talking about in the Lovers card with the dynamic of the Matrix and Potentiator. The fact is, the reason I love the Lovers analogy so much is because it is -so ubiquitously understood- 95% of all songs ever written are about love/romance in some way or another, and if you look at the second level, you can see where the lyrics are actually about the archetypical movements and not just about the trials and tribulations of a mated pair.



Summertime and the living's easy
And Bradley's on the microphone with Ras m.g.
All the people in the dance will agree
That we're well qualified to represent the LBC
Me, me and Louie run to the party
Dance to the rhythm it gets harder

Me and my girl we got this relationship
I love her so bad but she treats me like...
On lock down like a penitentiary
She spreads her lovin' all over
And when she gets home there’s none left for me

Oh take this veil from off my eyes
My burning sun will someday rise
So what am I gonna be doin' for a while
Said I'm gonna play with myself
Show them how we come off the shelf
So what?

Evil
I've come to tell you that she's evil most definitely
Evil
Ornery scandalous and evil most definitely
The tension is getting hotter
I'd like to hold her head underwater

Me and my girl we got this relationship
Me and my girl we got this relationship
My girl we got this relationship
And my girl we got this relationship

Take a tip, take a tip, take a tip from me
Bradley's on the microphone with Ras m.g.
All the people in the dance will agree
That we're well qualified to represent the LBC
Me, la la Louie well everybody run to the rhythm it gets harder

So, he's obviously talking about his girlfriend and not a prostitute, although, she "spreads her lovin' all over, and when she gets home there's none left for me". But you also have the water imagery (from a band like Sublime who enjoys talking about shooting people as a means of termination!), and the white dog running with him (actually dalmation, Louie), which is Rider-Waite Fool symbology. There's also the "take a tip from me" line, which is double entrendre for ~penetration~. But ultimately he's crying out for the veil to be removed, because he's unsatisfied with the fruits of the relationship.

Me and my girl, we got a relationship.

[YinYang]

Minya, how you approach the archetype, is how you approach the archetype. How you interpret the Ra material, is how you interpret it. Endlessly debating things, as this discussion shows, is unproductive and unpleasant. You and I see and understand things very differently, and that's okay. It is not I who have somehow inferred that you have disagreements with the material, you openly stated your disagreements all on your own. Also, it's not my personal, unique understanding that I have "found within myself", lol, it's quite simply what the material says.

I didn't anticipate that sharing an excerpt in the material to throw some light on a topic, would result in an endless tug of war. I also don't want to participate in endless debates, it is not what spirituality is about for me, so I regret having jumped into this thread, since it's quite clear to me that you and I are not going to find common ground. When I land myself in a situation where I'm defending a quite universal understanding in the material, and I sense that you are for whatever unexplained reason creating unnecessary confusion and continuously changing course, I know it's time to take my leave from this discussion. I wish you well on your spiritual journey.

[WanderingOZ]

It is you as the Magician, the will, who decides what to seek. I know that is really one of the hardest parts, considering we have infinity to choose from!

Ive been browsing this post(haven't read much of it) and having a little trouble understanding what it means coarting the maiden. But can give my opinion and my experience of coarting a maiden .I spent a few years going in and working on myself. During that time it became aparent that I needed to embrace all parts of myself. One part I realized I had was a feminine part that needs to be embraced. It seemed a bit strange at the time, but it came out of meditations and I put a lot of trust in them.
Rather then strange it turned into a magical experience . I could see things from a completely different perspective. Not male not female, just something very different. Allso it brought about what I call an expansion of consciousness. Like opening a door ànd there's a much biger world out there. Lots of things I was asking questions about I knew the answers to without even thinking about it. My intuition knew all. I would get an answer to any spiritual query before I finished thinking about it. It was amazing. I spent another year or two refining things before I decided to tune in on externals. I thought I was becoming a bit detached. And it was time to put what I had experienced into practice.
WanderingOZ

How do you change the world. By one random act of kindness at a time.

[I AM RALPH]

Our meditation this morning was about Summer, and before it started (and throughout the day now) I've had "Doin Time" by Sublime in my head. I checked out the lyrics, and I had to chuckle - it's about the prostitute!

Now, when I say it's "about the prostitute", I'm saying it's about the archetypical movement that Ra is talking about in the Lovers card with the dynamic of the Matrix and Potentiator. The fact is, the reason I love the Lovers analogy so much is because it is -so ubiquitously understood- 95% of all songs ever written are about love/romance in some way or another, and if you look at the second level, you can see where the lyrics are actually about the archetypical movements and not just about the trials and tribulations of a mated pair.



Summertime and the living's easy
And Bradley's on the microphone with Ras m.g.
All the people in the dance will agree
That we're well qualified to represent the LBC
Me, me and Louie run to the party
Dance to the rhythm it gets harder

Me and my girl we got this relationship
I love her so bad but she treats me like...
On lock down like a penitentiary
She spreads her lovin' all over
And when she gets home there’s none left for me

Oh take this veil from off my eyes
My burning sun will someday rise
So what am I gonna be doin' for a while
Said I'm gonna play with myself
Show them how we come off the shelf
So what?

Evil
I've come to tell you that she's evil most definitely
Evil
Ornery scandalous and evil most definitely
The tension is getting hotter
I'd like to hold her head underwater

Me and my girl we got this relationship
Me and my girl we got this relationship
My girl we got this relationship
And my girl we got this relationship

Take a tip, take a tip, take a tip from me
Bradley's on the microphone with Ras m.g.
All the people in the dance will agree
That we're well qualified to represent the LBC
Me, la la Louie well everybody run to the rhythm it gets harder

So, he's obviously talking about his girlfriend and not a prostitute, although, she "spreads her lovin' all over, and when she gets home there's none left for me". But you also have the water imagery (from a band like Sublime who enjoys talking about shooting people as a means of termination!), and the white dog running with him (actually dalmation, Louie), which is Rider-Waite Fool symbology. There's also the "take a tip from me" line, which is double entrendre for ~penetration~. But ultimately he's crying out for the veil to be removed, because he's unsatisfied with the fruits of the relationship.

Me and my girl, we got a relationship.

Well I for one just smoked two joints before I smoked two joints and I gotta say this makes a lot more sense now. Thanks

[Infinite Unity]

I never resonated much with the aspect of seeing the deep mind as either a maiden or a prostitute.

This seems to be more of a qualitative interpretation of an archetype that would not have such inherent qualities. Ultimately this lead me more to perceive that Ra may perceive the Creator as something delicate, that desires compassion, to find well being and to be accomodated in it's experience of itself.

Whereas I perceive the Creator as Intelligent Infinity, what seeks experiences and to infinitely distort itself into more than what any sub-portion of itself can perceive. What has a desire to infinitely explore what it can be and what uses itself as others to create circumstances to set itself into ever new paths. What bathes in the unity of itself.

When I tried to visualize my deep mind, I saw a woman in my back, with an arm crossing over my left shoulder to lean down in front of me and the second arm leaning on my right shoulder, the hand resting behind my neck. When I saw the eyes, I saw a power that wants me to call upon it, that desires me to feel a passion that will draw upon it's ressources. I felt an infinite exaltation in the thought of me desiring to materialize my desires, to be able to fuel them without bounds, and this being so in whatever way I could desire to use it.

In the image that I saw, there was no room to see something that could be seen as either a prostitute or a maiden. There was but that which desires me to manifest the deepest essence of myself.

I understand what your saying, However the points to the prostitute or maiden thinking, is that the aforementioned is/was desirable. This desire or propulsion of will is the fire of creativity. The woman you speak of wants you to draw upon her resources. Languish and make abode within that love that desire/fire. I believe it is a combination/fusion of the concepts contained within the first two paragraphs. It is a delicate beautiful maiden, with ever expanding ideas, and ways to experience this fire/love. Twisting itself into new forms basking in unity, and the love that eminates from the creator/unities orgasmic un-pouring symbiotic relationship.

[Infinite Unity]

I feel there is yet much distortion even in Ra's channeling for us to present an absolute, for our language is not perfect and we have much separation.

Only the dark side deals in absolutes.

[Jade]

I had some thoughts about the Transformation the other day, and a way to possibly conceptualize it without the context of the maiden vs. prostitute. We read session 47 in our morning offering a couple days ago, and in it, Don asks about the function of a social memory complex. Ra responds:

However, the distortion of free will causes the social memory complex to appear as a possibility at a certain stage of evolution of mind.

The social memory complex is a function of the evolution of the mind. What causes the evolution of the mind? Well, the Transformation of the Mind, of course! So, an eventual step in our goal of transforming the mind is the entry into a social memory complex. In a social memory complex, all of our experiences are shared with each other - there are no secrets. There is required a honest, open vulnerability. But, you also still don't just willy-nilly access everyone's selfhood without their permission. There is still some "individuality" or implied privacy.

But, I think one key thing that we don't have much of here is honesty with the self, due to the veil. We are confused. Sometimes we are using the resources of others in an exploitative way when we don't want to admit it to the self. In 4th density, I don't think that's possible. Here, it's just part of our every day. We must go out of our way to learn to respect the resources of others to prepare ourselves for a place where others trust us unconditionally with their resources.

I'm still fleshing this idea out, but it seems to me a possible conceptualization for those who abhor the romanticization of polarity. How would you treat others if you were in a completely telepathic conglomerate? Or if you were attempting to achieve this state? A bit more cerebral of a conceptualization, but I still think it can be applied to action in the physical. What if everyone could read your mind - how would your thoughts towards each person/object be received?

[Night Owl]

Thanks for sharing Jade, I missed those kind of interventions from you lately. Great food for thoughts.

It's funny you bring this up now as I was thinking about ideas related to this yesterday. I actually think that as the 4D vibrations becomes more and more dominant that this process of sharing and having no seperation of thoughts between people is already happening and that people just dismiss it. There may be many ways to describe this process but I could take a simple social environnement as an exemple. Let's think about a bus or a subway with lots of people in it. Nowadays people tend to look away or focus on not looking at others. But when I enter such a place, I notice those who looked and turned away anyway without trying and I assume others do as well. It's like the information is just shared. I suspect the focus of one dismissing the contact attracts the focus of the other mind because there is no actual seperation and both minds are one. I also notice how the mind just wants to dismiss this happening. I usually think that I know they know that I know they know or something like this. I think people fear this connection and they hold on to their personal space because they fear this vibration that they are not used to. But we are vibrations, how could we not share vibrations while in the same environnement. I suspect that with each generation the veil gets thinner and more information can be exchanged. For me, I have access to emotional and vibrational states and more depending on the openness of others. In fact I suppose there is no roof to this, it's a PvP situation and some people connect to such degrees that there is almost no barrier between their minds even though they have seperate bodies. That has happened to me. I think future generations will eventually share complete thoughts without talking and without looking at each others even though they might be more prone to look and talk to each other because of that.

I think my generation being born into the era of computers, we tend to have a mental processing that is more similar or more influenced by how a computer processes than past generations and that is because we do not only shape how computers work but computers also shape how we process information. The internet is an excellent exemple of how newer generations are more inclined to genuine sharing of everything. This hints to me that the way the internet works is some kind of learning tool for taking part in a social memory complex. The good and bad is shared but then the whole group work at balancing the thoughts. It is some kind of mirror of the collective mind. But it also takes active intentions toward balancing. This forum is the best exemple of that happening. We are right here right now a social memory complex in creation and only the physical plane is an obstacle to this.

Because of that, I take for granted that the answer to your last question is: That is already happening. But to a different degree depending on the individuals and I suspect that the '' thoughts seperation-free'' environnement is simply gonna grow with time. I think as we learn to deal with this, to let go of past low vibrations and hold on to new positive vibrations, it's gonna cause less and less negative ripples and mutual understanding is gonna be simultaneous and instantaneous or almost instantaneous.