Where the "holy trinity" originates from

[YinYang]

I have just read something in the Ra material, which made me realise that this must be where the "holy trinity" in Christianity originates from.

Apologies if some (or most) have already had this realisation.

Questioner: In that case, we’ll go ahead with the questions we have here continuing the last session. You said that each third-density entity has an higher self in the sixth density which is moving to the mind/body/spirit complex of the entity as needed. Does this higher self also evolve in growth through the densities beginning with the first density, and does each higher self have a corresponding higher self advanced in densities beyond it?

Ra: I am Ra. To simplify this concept is our intent. The higher self is a manifestation given to the late sixth-density mind/body/spirit complex as a gift from its future selfness. The mid-seventh density’s last action before turning towards the allness of the Creator and gaining spiritual mass is to give this resource to the sixth-density self, moving as you measure time in the stream of time.

This self, the mind/body/spirit complex of late sixth density, has then the honor/duty of using both the experiences of its total living bank or memory of experienced thoughts and actions, and using the resource of the mind/body/spirit complex totality left behind as a type of infinitely complex thought-form.

In this way you may see your self, your higher self or Oversoul, and your mind/body/spirit complex totality as three points in a circle. The only distinction is that of your time/space continuum. All are the same being.

Since each of us are Creators, this trinity describes us. It is my belief that this is misunderstood by Judeo-Christianity, when they speak of the father/son/holy ghost relationship. It might purposefully have been distorted for control purposes or just to create confusion, or it's possible that the misunderstanding happened right from the start, since Jesus spoke through a veil.

Questioner: What was the orientation with respect to this type of communication for the one known as Jesus of Nazareth?

Ra: I am Ra. You may have read some of this entity’s workings. It offered itself as teacher to those mind/body/spirit complexes which gathered to hear and even then spoke as through a veil so as to leave room for those not wishing to hear.

Son = your self
Father = higher self / Oversoul
Holy ghost = mind/body/spirit complex totality

I believe the "holy trinity" was always describing us.

[Daydreamin]

Ding! Ding! Ding!  We have a winner!  Here's a song to celebrate.............Me, My Self, and I

[Bring4th_Austin]

Interesting idea. Here is another very interesting and intricate take on the Holy Trinity and the Law of One from a theology standpoint. I was very impressed with the author's work.

Christianity in the Law of One, Part 1: Implications of the Trinity

[YinYang]

Thanks Austin! I will definitely have a read through!

[Ashim]

Interesting idea. Here is another very interesting and intricate take on the Holy Trinity and the Law of One from a theology standpoint. I was very impressed with the author's work.

Christianity in the Law of One, Part 1: Implications of the Trinity

Very good article. The part about when the dot decided that it could be a line....
Thanks for that.

[YinYang]

Another thing I thought of which might have relevance to my original post, (speaking of things which come in threes) and to my knowledge isn't explored in the Ra material, is that in 1st density an entity is mind (one component for evolution), in 2nd density an entity is mind and body (two components for evolution), in 3rd density spirit is added, so it's mind, body and spirit (3 components for evolution), and if it has followed this trajectory of a component added with each successive density, it makes sense that perhaps in 4th density another component is added, same for 5th, 6th and 7th...

This is of course is just hypothesizing on my part, but it might explain why 4th density is so inconceivable to us, since we are literally missing a component to be able to conceive of it...

Questioner: Thank you. Is it possible for you to give a small description of the conditions [in] fourth density?

Ra: I am Ra. We ask you to consider as we speak that there are no words for positively describing fourth density. We can only explain what is not and approximate what is. Beyond fourth density our ability grows more limited still until we become without words.

That which fourth density is not: it is not of words, unless chosen. It is not of heavy chemical vehicles for body complex activities. It is not of disharmony within self. It is not of disharmony within peoples. It is not within limits of possibility to cause disharmony in any way.

Approximations of positive statements: it is a plane of a type of bipedal vehicle which is much denser and more full of life; it is a plane wherein one is aware of the thoughts of other-selves; it is a plane where one is aware of the vibrations of other-selves; it is a plane of compassion and understanding of the sorrows of third density; it is a plane striving towards wisdom or light; it is a plane wherein individual differences are pronounced although automatically harmonized by group consensus.

[YinYang]

Also of significance, is that in various esoteric texts the number 7 is often referred to as the “God number” or metaphysical number, time/space if you will, at least in our octave of experience… and the number 6 represents worldly pursuits, physical, space/time... even in the Ra material 7 is quite significant; 7 densities, 7 colours of the spectrum, 7 notes of the musical scale, 7 tarot cards for mind, body, and spirit, 7 energy centers (chakras), 7 bodies (astral body, devachanic body, etc.)…

That this number 7 has significance with regards to our current logos (rather than the number 3, the trinity), resonates more with me, and I think the 7 bodies point to the "components" added (or activated) in successive densities:

• In 1st density only the elemental body (red) is in activation, and all the other bodies are in potentiation

• In 2nd density the physical body (orange) is activated

• In 3rd density the yellow ray body is activated

• 4th: green ray

• 5th; blue ray

• 6th: indigo ray

• 5th: violet ray

Questioner: In our esoteric literature numerous bodies are listed. I have here a list of the physical body, the etheric, the emotional, the astral, and the mental. Can you tell me if this listing is the proper number, and can you tell me the uses and purposes and effects, etc., of each of these or any other bodies that may be in our mind/body/spirit complex?

Ra: I am Ra. To answer your query fully would be the work of many sessions such as this one, for the interrelationships of the various bodies and each body’s effects in various situations is an enormous study. However, we shall begin by referring your minds back to the spectrum of true colors and the usage of this understanding in grasping the various densities of your octave.

We have the number seven repeated from the macrocosm to the microcosm in structure and experience. Therefore, it would only be expected that there would be seven basic bodies which we would perhaps be most lucid by stating as red-ray body, etc. However, we are aware that you wish to correspond these bodies mentioned with the color rays. This will be confusing, for various teachers have offered their teach/learning understanding in various terms. Thus one may name a subtle body one thing and another find a different name.

The red-ray body is your chemical body. However, it is not the body which you have as clothing in the physical. It is the unconstructed material of the body, the elemental body without form. This basic unformed material body is important to understand for there are healings which may be carried out by the simple understanding of the elements present in the physical vehicle.

The orange-ray body is the physical body complex. This body complex is still not the body you inhabit but rather the body formed without self-awareness, the body in the womb before the spirit/mind complex enters. This body may live without the inhabitation of the mind and spirit complexes. However, it seldom does so.

The yellow-ray body is your physical vehicle which you know of at this time and in which you experience catalyst. This body has the mind/body/spirit characteristics and is equal to the physical illusion, as you have called it.

The green-ray body is that body which may be seen in séance when what you call ectoplasm is furnished. This is a lighter body packed more densely with life. You may call this the astral body following some other teachings. Others have called this same body the etheric body. However, this is not correct in the sense that the etheric body is that body of gateway wherein intelligent energy is able to mold the mind/body/spirit complex.

The light body or blue-ray body may be called the devachanic body. There are many other names for this body especially in your so-called Indian Sutras or writings, for there are those among these peoples which have explored these regions and understand the various types of devachanic bodies. There are many, many types of bodies in each density, much like your own.

The indigo-ray body which we choose to call the etheric body is, as we have said, the gateway body. In this body form is substance and you may only see this body as that of light as it may mold itself as it desires.

The violet-ray body may perhaps be understood as what you might call the Buddha body or that body which is complete.

Each of these bodies has an effect upon your mind/body/spirit complex in your life beingness. The interrelationships, as we have said, are many and complex.

Perhaps one suggestion that may be indicated is this: The indigo-ray body may be used by the healer once the healer becomes able to place its consciousness in this etheric state. The violet-ray or Buddhic body is of equal efficacy to the healer for within it lies a sense of wholeness which is extremely close to unity with all that there is. These bodies are part of each entity and the proper use of them and understanding of them is, though far advanced from the standpoint of third-density harvest, nevertheless useful to the adept.

In this light, the number 8, which is also the last and simultaneously the first of the next octave, which denotes the ever ongoingness, or infinity, is also then used by us in the here and now as the infinity symbol.

[rva_jeremy]

Ray Standford's "Fatima Prophecy" channeled work was very formative to my thinking, and that source described the significance of the trinity so:

- Father (male) = spirit
- Holy Ghost (female) = mind
- Son (gender unimportant) = body

I need to go back and reappraise that book; it's weird how much metaphysical detritus I've carried around unexamined with me all these years!

[YinYang]

Ray Standford's "Fatima Prophecy" channeled work was very formative to my thinking, and that source described the significance of the trinity so:

- Father (male) = spirit
- Holy Ghost (female) = mind
- Son (gender unimportant) = body

That's another way of looking at it!

it's weird how much metaphysical detritus I've carried around unexamined with me all these years!

Same here!

I just recalled another thing that comes in 3 - our guides!

Ra: I am Ra. As we have noted, each mind/body/spirit complex has several guides available to it. The persona of two of these guides is the polarity of male and female. The third is androgynous and represents a more unified conceptualization faculty.

[anagogy]

Another thing I thought of which might have relevance to my original post, (speaking of things which come in threes) and to my knowledge isn't explored in the Ra material, is that in 1st density an entity is mind (one component for evolution), in 2nd density an entity is mind and body (two components for evolution), in 3rd density spirit is added, so it's mind, body and spirit (3 components for evolution), and if it has followed this trajectory of a component added with each successive density, it makes sense that perhaps in 4th density another component is added, same for 5th, 6th and 7th...

This is of course is just hypothesizing on my part, but it might explain why 4th density is so inconceivable to us, since we are literally missing a component to be able to conceive of it...

1st density can be interpreted as mind or body depending on your perspective.  In fact Ra speaks to this point in one section:

30.5 Questioner: I would like to know how the mind/body/spirit complexes originate. How, going back as far as necessary, does the— Do they originate by spirit forming mind and mind forming body? Can you tell me this?

Ra: I am Ra. We ask you to consider that you are attempting to trace evolution. This evolution is as we have previously described, the consciousness being first, in first density, without movement, a random thing. Whether you may call this mind or body complex is a semantic problem. We call it mind/body complex recognizing always that in the simplest iota of this complex exists in its entirety the One Infinite Creator; this mind/body complex then in second density discovering the growing and turning towards the light, thus awakening what you may call the spirit complex, that which intensifies the upward spiraling towards the love and light of the Infinite Creator.

The addition of this spirit complex, though apparent rather than real, it having existed potentially from the beginning of space/time, perfects itself by graduation into third density. When the mind/body/spirit complex becomes aware of the possibility of service to self or other-self, then the mind/body/spirit complex is activated.

The way I look at mind, body, and spirit is that "mind" is "inner projected consciousness", and "body" is "outer projected consciousness", and "spirit" is the "relationship between the two".  In terms of its magnetic nature, the mind is the north pole, the body is the south pole, and the spirit is the magnet itself.  All are just different focuses of consciousness.

Here is a Ra quote that tends to corroborate this observation:

4.18 Questioner: I believe I have some idea of the accomplishment— a little idea, anyway, of the accomplishment— [of the] first step. Can you elaborate the steps… the other two steps I am not at all familiar with.

Ra: I am Ra. Imagine the body. Imagine the more dense aspects of the body. Proceed therefrom to the very finest knowledge of energy pathways which revolve and cause the body to be energized. Understand that all natural functions of the body have all aspects from dense to fine, and can be transmuted to what you may call sacramental. This is a brief investigation of the second area.

To speak to the third: imagine, if you will, the function of the magnet. The magnet has two poles. One reaches up. The other goes down. The function of the spirit is to integrate the upreaching yearning of the mind/body energy with the downpouring and streaming of infinite intelligence. This is a brief explication of the third area.

In 1st density, consciousness is almost completely focused outwards, thus it's manifestation is almost entirely tangible and there is little inner consciousness.  It appears more or less inert to us, and unintelligent.  There is consciousness there, but it is focused so narrowly that it has no broader perspective.  Its energy motion is almost all outwards.  As it evolves through the densities, the consciousness begins to "wake up" and start turning away from the outer tangible expression and more towards the inner intangible and mental expression.  What Ra calls the "awakening of the spirit complex" is simply when this relationship between inner and outer becomes conscious, which occurs upon 3rd density graduation.  You could call that self recognition.

Each energy center can be looked at as vibrating in resonance with each given level of consciousness, and each level of consciousness is associated with a different ratio of mind/body.  The lower the vibration, the the grosser and more tangible the manifestation.  This is why red ray represents the base material for the physical world.  It is the most tangible manifestation of vibratory material.

Just as red ray is predominately turned outwards, violet ray is the polar balance to that and is turned almost entirely inwards, and is the most "awake" level of consciousness.  Since everything is within, this includes all the prior vibrational levels of consciousness.  The inner "contains" the outer.  The intangible contains the tangible.  It is a broader focus.  The entire spectrum of vibrations exist within violet ray wholeness.  Another helpful concept is the idea that rays are "lenses" or "perspectives" that can be mixed and matched.  For example, since we are yellow ray identified, we see all the other rays through the lens of yellow.  When you look at red ray, you see "red ray through the lens of yellow".  This colors your interpretation of all other rays in a 3rd density sort of way.  Thus when we look at the red ray physical world, we don't just see the red ray physical world, we see "3rd density physical" because our interpretation is 3rd density by default.  That is the lens we see the world through at our level. These "yellow ray interpretations" are the "subdensities of yellow ray".

In terms of the trinity you brought up earlier in the thread, I interpret those Christian metaphysical terms as: the Father is essentially the unpotentiated or "unmanifested" intelligent infinity (which is essentially 8th density beingness).  And then we have the potentiated or "manifested" intelligent infinity/energy as the son/sun (which is the the 7th density Logos), and the holy spirit is the relationship between the two.  The Father is the "eternal potential" just as the Son is the "eternal actual".  The Father aspect is "raw awareness", whereas the Son aspect is "self awareness".  Self awareness is basically consciousness, or raw mind.  In consciousness, there is a relationship between "subject" and "object".  In awareness, there is no relationship, for they are ONE in awareness.  In oneness, relationships are transcended for something much deeper and more intimate.  And again, spirit is the relationship between the father and the son.  You might even call it the "memory of oneness".  A memory is not the "thing in itself", thus, it is just a "ghost" of its former self.  Thus, the memory of oneness is the "holy ghost".  You could also call it "karma", or the force that always, eventually, reels or calls us back to oneness.  It is memory that cannot be forgotten and gradually, and always eventually worms its way back into our consciousness no matter how distorted we become.  

Continuing the Christian interpretation of the metaphysics of intelligent infinity -- the collective consciousness, Logos, or Son/sun is essentially what is known as the "Christ Consciousness".  Any being who attains enlightenment in this world becomes consciously a part of that violet ray Christ consciousness.  Jesus, according to some people attained Christ consciousness.  As well as Buddha and many others throughout the ages.  And people got confused and came to the conclusion that Jesus, the person, was more special than other men.  In reality, everybody is Christ.  Thus everybody suffers for the "sins" of humanity, because we are all Christ.  You can see where all the fairy tales that the adults told the children went wrong and got it half right, and half wrong.  And it is the "sacrifice" of the "little self" that results in conscious identification with the Big Self.  You sacrifice that little self by purely, at a deep metaphysical layer, forgiving all others for anything they have done to you "for they know not what they do", which then karmically absolves you of your own transgressions against others, and voila, the balance of that act frees your consciousness to inhabit broader orbits of infinity. Pure forgiveness of others is a pure disavowal of the ego.  

Cue thousands of years of bloodshed and wars about differences in the fairy tales the adults told the children and that were horribly misinterpreted.  

[YinYang]

Continuing the Christian interpretation of the metaphysics of intelligent infinity -- the collective consciousness, Logos, or Son/sun is essentially what is known as the "Christ Consciousness".  Any being who attains enlightenment in this world becomes consciously a part of that violet ray Christ consciousness.  Jesus, according to some people attained Christ consciousness.  As well as Buddha and many others throughout the ages.  And people got confused and came to the conclusion that Jesus, the person, was more special than other men.  In reality, everybody is Christ.  Thus everybody suffers for the "sins" of humanity, because we are all Christ.  You can see where all the fairy tales that the adults told the children went wrong and got it half right, and half wrong.  And it is the "sacrifice" of the "little self" that results in conscious identification with the Big Self.  You sacrifice that little self by purely, at a deep metaphysical layer, forgiving all others for anything they have done to you "for they know not what they do", which then karmically absolves you of your own transgressions against others, and voila, the balance of that act frees your consciousness to inhabit broader orbits of infinity.  Pure forgiveness of others is a pure disavowal of the ego.  

This was beautifully put, and it's a shame that Christianity is so distorted nowadays. I wonder sometimes if Ra has the responsibility of recouping the damage from their "appearing in the flesh" and being worshipped as Gods, if Jesus doesn't have a similar responsibility.

And I have also wondered whether the miracles he was able to perform wasn't perhaps "stopped" afterwards, or the Confederation thought it better not to give wanderers such a great remembrance/thin veil as Jesus had, because it would seem that it's precisely something appearing miraculous or other-worldly that causes damage.

[YinYang]

I will take your other bit into contemplation for a while, it's quite a nice way of looking at it.

[Stranger]

The core essence of Christianity was, is and remains unconditional love towards all.  This may be why it resonated so strongly with our dear Carla.  I too have found it immensely valuable in my journey, and the perfect complement to Ra's teachings.  The Law of One helped me understand what I was doing - provided the conceptual framework - but I'd compare it to the words of a song without the melody.  Christianity for me has been the melody, the motive power that guided me, and actually taught me how to love.  

When we practice unconditional love, everything else takes care of itself.  We don't need to worry whether opening the door for someone is STO or STS - if we're doing it with love for that person as the Creator, it's transformative.  If we sit in meditation and reach out to the Universe or any part of it in Love, it changes us.  The greatest inner changes occur when we feel the strongest fervor in our love and longing for the Divine in us and in the Universe - although not raised in Christianity, I've found it much easier to reach those heights while sitting alone in an empty church, and feeling loving gratitude toward the pure loving gentleness that was and is the Christ.  The descriptions of that love in Dolores Cannon's "They Walked With Jesus" literally brought me to tears.  Here's an excerpt from it, but I highly recommend reading the account in its entirety in the original book.

If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.

[YinYang]

I don't really associate Jesus with Christianity, even though the world does... for me he's a Confederation origin wanderer who came to teach the positive polarity. While I was raised in Christianity, The Ra material made me look at his life and teachings again with new eyes, and I am fond of his teachings and amazing display of unconditional love, yet I'm equally fond of all positive polarity teachers who incarnated here, from ancient times until today.

He was very courageous to come in at a time of such immense darkness and confusion, and take on the difficult mission that he has.

World religions separates people, and leads to unconscious "my God and your God" ways of viewing, judgement, and "us and them".

Jiddu Krishnamurti

I maintain that truth is a pathless land, and you cannot approach it by any path whatsoever, by any religion, by any sect. That is my point of view, and I adhere to that absolutely and unconditionally. Truth, being limitless, unconditioned, unapproachable by any path whatsoever, cannot be organized; nor should any organization be formed to lead or coerce people along a particular path. ... This is no magnificent deed, because I do not want followers, and I mean this. The moment you follow someone you cease to follow Truth. I am not concerned whether you pay attention to what I say or not. I want to do a certain thing in the world and I am going to do it with unwavering concentration. I am concerning myself with only one essential thing: to set man free. I desire to free him from all cages, from all fears, and not to found religions, new sects, nor to establish new theories and new philosophies.

[Stranger]

I don't really associate Jesus with Christianity, even though the world does... for me he's a Confederation origin wanderer who came to teach the positive polarity. While I was raised in Christianity, The Ra material made me look at his life and teachings again with new eyes.

YinYang, this is one place where the information provided by Ra is sufficiently incomplete so as to be entirely misleading.  So far, it's the only such place that I've found in the Law of One material.

Jesus may or may not have been a fourth density wanderer, but what I know beyond any personal doubt is that he was also much more than that.  He carried within him - embodied - the energy of the Christ, which is not an evolving entity but is the angelic being governing the energy of the 5th chakra.  This was a very, very special event in human history.  The energy is love beyond love, bliss beyond normal bliss, absolutely unconditional acceptance, compassion, kindness - the words I am using fail to describe its gentle lovingness, but we recently had a thread started by Plenum where the differences between 4th and 5th chakra energies were covered - that's a start.

If you read the Jeshua channelings, you will find that he speaks about the energy of the Christ and what it means to look at reality, to live life from the perspective of the Christ energy - which is the energy of the fully crystallized 5th chakra.

We as spiritual beings evolve from seeing life through the first chakra (survival) to seeing all as perfect Oneness (crown), and progress through all the densities/rays in between.  This is why Jesus said, "no one comes to the Father, except through me". He wasn't speaking about Christianity, which did not exist, nor himself as the human.  But to evolve to complete perfection, our evolutionary process has to pass through the 5th chakra - we have to (eventually) learn to  embody the beautiful energy of the Christ.

[Jade]

Ra is very careful when talking about Jesus, because of Carla's distortions. He almost only specifically refers to well-known parables in the Bible. I think calling him Jehoshua was a hint to Carla that not everything about Jesus/the Bible was as it seems.

I tend to believe the Seth interpretation, that there were 3 beings who embodied the "Jesus story" that became the one we know now.

I think it's also telling that when Don asks about Hitler, Ra says that everyone is actually deeply confused about Hitler's role. I think this is why Ra does not like talking about transient stuff, especially stuff in our written history: It's so mutable, and usually by the winners. The story of our past will always be very different than the actual events. Ra says "great confusion greets ANY discussion of this entity".

35.4 Questioner: I would now like to ask for the same type of information with respect to Adolf Hitler. You have given a little of this already. It is not necessary to re-cover what you have already given, but if you could complete that information it would be helpful.

Ra: I am Ra. In speaking of the one you call Adolf we have some difficulty due to the intense amount of confusion present in this entity’s life patterns as well as the great confusion which greets any discussion of this entity.

[YinYang]

I agree that people have very intense passions and distortions regarding Jesus, and it has been both my personal experience and my observation with Christian friends, that the very belief that Jesus was "a God", a special component of the "holy trinity", or very "special", just inhibits Christians' spiritual evolution. I am pretty sure that the fact that Jesus is seen as a God is something he didn't wish to happen, the same way Ra is still trying to fix the damage of them being placed in the hypocritical position of being seen as Gods, and being worshipped.

The verse you used, Stranger, has been one the biggest stumbling blocks for Christians - "no one comes to the Father, except through me".

Imagine Ra saying that? No-one comes to the Creator except through me, Ra... instead they called themselves humble messengers, even fallible. Specialness, glorification and exaltation is always of the negative polarity, so personally I don't believe Jesus would have said a thing like that.

Just to give you an idea of how damaging this verse is. So I asked my Christian friends a while back if someone was unlucky enough to not have been in the immediate vicinity of the Sea of Galilee 2000 years ago, and much, much later for that matter, since Jesus didn't have internet or TV to spread the message, what then? I asked what about all the people who lived before Jesus. They were not sure what to say, but they imagined those people to be pretty unlucky indeed, even doomed.... that's when I thought it wise to change the conversation...

The Ra material reached my hands as it was given, verbatim. I have no idea what amount of tampering was involved in the bible, but I'm sure it was plenty, since we know Jesus was targeted by Orion, and religion was/is used for control.

I tend to believe the Seth interpretation, that there were 3 beings who embodied the "Jesus story" that became the one we know now.

I haven't read the Seth material yet, but I'm busy with Joseph Campbell's book Hero With A Thousand Faces, and the Jesus story appeared in various parts of the world, some even before Jesus' time, with identical characteristics.

But for me, it's the message that matters and the inspiration I derive from it.

Truth is one, the sages spoke of it by many names.

[Aware34]

I found this reply to be profound. One thing that I would add is that Trinity is more like an archetypal pattern found in all things. This pattern can be seen originating within the Godhead (when Infinity became Aware and the development of free will and the concept of "finity") and then within the manifested world.

[Aware34]

I don't really associate Jesus with Christianity, even though the world does... for me he's a Confederation origin wanderer who came to teach the positive polarity. While I was raised in Christianity, The Ra material made me look at his life and teachings again with new eyes.

YinYang, this is one place where the information provided by Ra is sufficiently incomplete so as to be entirely misleading.  So far, it's the only such place that I've found in the Law of One material.

Jesus may or may not have been a fourth density wanderer, but what I know beyond any personal doubt is that he was also much more than that.  He carried within him - embodied - the energy of the Christ, which is not an evolving entity but is the angelic being governing the energy of the 5th chakra.  This was a very, very special event in human history.  The energy is love beyond love, bliss beyond normal bliss, absolutely unconditional acceptance, compassion, kindness - the words I am using fail to describe its gentle lovingness, but we recently had a thread started by Plenum where the differences between 4th and 5th chakra energies were covered - that's a start.

If you read the Jeshua channelings, you will find that he speaks about the energy of the Christ and what it means to look at reality, to live life from the perspective of the Christ energy - which is the energy of the fully crystallized 5th chakra.

---->I like this a lot.  There certainly is a mystery surrounding Jesus.  I wrote an extensive reflection called, "The Jesus Event," where I attempt to see that the Logos ushered in a new energetics with Jesus.  I am trying to be faithful to both Ra and some Christian thoughts.  Here are two paragraphs from the article that sum up my thinking.
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"I have come to believe that Ra did state the truth that Jesus was a "creature" and not the unique incarnation of God, as the central tradition of Christianity claims. Yet, Ra wasn't able to see what Christ was up to through the incarnation of the entity that later became known as Jesus. A much grander revelation was afoot that even an angelic presence like Ra couldn't understand or grasp. From this standpoint, I affirm that Jesus was a special, unique incarnation of God! What I'm just saying is that he was not THE special, unique incarnation of God. For as we will see below, all of creation, including all of the visible and invisible worlds, is God Incarnate.  Jesus, you, and I all make up the "Many-ness" of the Infinite Creator; and the real difference between the Creator and the creature lies between the level of conscious awareness of this inherent union.

Six Revelations

In what may be referred to as the "Jesus Event," the Infinite Creator broke into third density Earth to offer humanity what I see as  six interrelated revelations: 1) God is merciful and loving, not wrathful and petty; 2) any difference between God and creation is an illusion; 3) the Incarnation reveals that all of creation is the Body of God and therefore materiality is the fullness of divine expression, not the "left-overs" of some divine "trickle-down" condensation; 4) Love as the primary expression of God flows as a certain dynamic in what Christian's call the Pascal Mystery; 5) Relationality as an approach to God is a key to opening the heart chakra; which is important because; 6) a planetary shift into the fourth density was around the corner  and the God revealed in the person of Jesus an en vivo, live-action view of what this new density would be like.
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We as spiritual beings evolve from seeing life through the first chakra (survival) to seeing all as perfect Oneness (crown), and progress through all the densities/rays in between.  This is why Jesus said, "no one comes to the Father, except through me". He wasn't speaking about Christianity, which did not exist, nor himself as the human.  But to evolve to complete perfection, our evolutionary process has to pass through the 5th chakra - we have to (eventually) learn to  embody the beautiful energy of the Christ.

---> Another thought about this saying of Jesus, " No one comes to the Father, except thought the Son," could be understood as seeing the heart chakra (4th) as the "Son," the gateway to the higher energy centers, culminating in the crown, the "Father."  On the positive path, in order to move on from 3rd density, one must at least be able to access 51% heart chakra energetics and live from there.  From this foundational frequency, the veil is thinned (removed in the 4th density) and understanding (of cosmic things) becomes accessible.  

[Aware34]

---->I like this a lot.  There certainly is a mystery surrounding Jesus.  I wrote an extensive reflection called, "The Jesus Event," (https://christandlawofone.wordpress.com/...sus-event/) where I attempt to see that the Logos ushered in a new energetics with Jesus.  I am trying to be faithful to both Ra and some Christian thoughts.  Here are two paragraphs from the article that sum up my thinking.
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"I have come to believe that Ra did state the truth that Jesus was a "creature" and not the unique incarnation of God, as the central tradition of Christianity claims. Yet, Ra wasn't able to see what Christ was up to through the incarnation of the entity that later became known as Jesus. A much grander revelation was afoot that even an angelic presence like Ra couldn't understand or grasp. From this standpoint, I affirm that Jesus was a special, unique incarnation of God! What I'm just saying is that he was not THE special, unique incarnation of God. For as we will see below, all of creation, including all of the visible and invisible worlds, is God Incarnate.  Jesus, you, and I all make up the "Many-ness" of the Infinite Creator; and the real difference between the Creator and the creature lies between the level of conscious awareness of this inherent union.

Six Revelations

In what may be referred to as the "Jesus Event," the Infinite Creator broke into third density Earth to offer humanity what I see as  six interrelated revelations: 1) God is merciful and loving, not wrathful and petty; 2) any difference between God and creation is an illusion; 3) the Incarnation reveals that all of creation is the Body of God and therefore materiality is the fullness of divine expression, not the "left-overs" of some divine "trickle-down" condensation; 4) Love as the primary expression of God flows as a certain dynamic in what Christian's call the Pascal Mystery; 5) Relationality as an approach to God is a key to opening the heart chakra; which is important because; 6) a planetary shift into the fourth density was around the corner  and the God revealed in the person of Jesus an en vivo, live-action view of what this new density would be like.
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[Stranger]

---> Another thought about this saying of Jesus, " No one comes to the Father, except thought the Son," could be understood as seeing the heart chakra (4th) as the "Son," the gateway to the higher energy centers, culminating in the crown, the "Father."  On the positive path, in order to move on from 3rd density, one must at least be able to access 51% heart chakra energetics and live from there.  From this foundational frequency, the veil is thinned (removed in the 4th density) and understanding (of cosmic things) becomes accessible.  

Very good, with one adjustment: Christ/the Son is the 5th chakra ("I'm telling you the truth"), the 4th chakra is the Holy Spirit (love), and the 6th chakra is the Father.

Together they comprise the spiritual "half" of the human being.

[Infinite]

In my humble opinion is possible make a link of the Gnosis of Samael Aun Weor and the informations of Ra. SAW spoke that there are three higher laws under the only law (the Law of One). In Gnosis is the Holy Trinity. In my understanding the holy trinity is Free Will, Logos/Love and Light. The three primaries distortions of the infinite (like Ra spoke).

[Chandlersdad]

Interesting idea. Here is another very interesting and intricate take on the Holy Trinity and the Law of One from a theology standpoint. I was very impressed with the author's work.

Christianity in the Law of One, Part 1: Implications of the Trinity

This is a brilliant article. Are there other authors outside L/L Research who have written about the Law of One? (besides the usual suspects of David Wilcock and Scott Mandleker and Tom Montalk?)

This would be a great LINK section on the L/L Research website.

[Infinite]

Well, searching, thinking and meditating about the "Holy Trinity" I received insights. Is simples, all esoteric philosophies like Theosophy, Gnosis, etc. say the same thing: the Holy Trinity is the three more higher atributes of God. Like Ra said "three primary distortions of the Infinite". Free-Will, Logos/Love and Light. Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Peace, love and ligth.

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