How do you prove you're real?

[The_Tired_Philosopher]

I think that could be very true or real, lol

I've had a few concepts, that we're all potentiated/kinetic light in various multi-faceted forces of activation and potentiation, that the space of 'emptiness' right against my skin is the same as my skin in terms of being composed of the same basic substance. Light or Vibration/Energy.

I noticed Vibration expands outwards straight in all directions just like light so light (energy) and vibration are similar in how they transport themselves.

Reality is so interesting, what does it mean to be if it's mannerism of description is nothing beyond make-believe imagination?

Is that what reality is? Make believe imagination? And it's all just self-structured by the intelligence which creates and designs itself?

[Minyatur]

Reality is so interesting, what does it mean to be if it's mannerism of description is nothing beyond make-believe imagination?

Is that what reality is?  Make believe imagination?  And it's all just self-structured by the intelligence which creates and designs itself?

I guess it means to create. Just like how humans create cities and stuff, the Creator seeks to create endlessly.

Yeah, it's all just self-structured by the intelligence which creates and designs itself. It thinks of circumstances to exist within to make the experience a part of itself, to see how it'll act. Many-ness was definitely a good circumstance to be thought of, I guess creating without co-creators ends up to be boring so watching self acting among itself simply has much more potential for experience and creating new illusionary paradoxes to be solved and thus expanding intelligence. 

It's all a dream, the great dream of Infinity.

[Diana]

This is how I feel about reality, delivered by the genius, Woody Allen. 

[rva_jeremy]

Reality is so interesting, what does it mean to be if it's mannerism of description is nothing beyond make-believe imagination?

Is that what reality is?  Make believe imagination?  And it's all just self-structured by the intelligence which creates and designs itself?

I guess it means to create. Just like how humans create cities and stuff, the Creator seeks to create endlessly.

That's pretty much how conceptualize it, too. But it's so unsatisfying. It makes Creation into some sort of game or epiphenomenon that doesn't really seem important. That's the struggle I have with the teleological model of the Law of One: that the stakes don't seem very high at all.

I explain that away by saying that my third density intellect is not designed to understand these things, but again: meh.

[Jade]

What would you define as "high stakes"? The risk of non-existence? A creator with an end-goal beyond reunification?

[rva_jeremy]

Something that just occurred to me: if third density intellect's ability to understand these matters is inherently unsatisfying, maybe that's the way it should be. Perhaps these paradoxes are designed to break our brains and force us on different paths.

[AnthroHeart]

What would you define as "high stakes"? The risk of non-existence? A creator with an end-goal beyond reunification?

Wow, that's some subtle, deep thinking there.

[rva_jeremy]

What would you define as "high stakes"? The risk of non-existence? A creator with an end-goal beyond reunification?

Good question!  I'm grasping for words here.

Why does any of this matter if all is well?

[rva_jeremy]

Of course, it's a very third density idea, IMHO, to insist that phenomena only "matter" if they can be justified. Like, that criterion is precisely the kind of ratiocinative thought process that is probably not necessary in other experiences / hierarchical levels of creation.

[Nicholas]

Following on from Diana's post, here is my greatest insight gained while watching a sci-fi flick.

"What is real? How do you define real? If you're talking about what you can feel, what you can touch, what you can taste and see then 'real' is simply, electrical signals in your brain"

"You're appearance now is what we call residual self-image. It is the mental projection of you're digital self"



So how can we prove something that we have yet to define?

[AnthroHeart]

I wonder if all densities of the next Octave are all real.

[The_Tired_Philosopher]

What would you define as "high stakes"? The risk of non-existence? A creator with an end-goal beyond reunification?

I think the feeling lacks substance in higher densities.  But the tension of High Stakes could be said to be things like Malduk, total dissolution of a planetary entity.  I wonder if the same can be done to a star or a solar system, a portion of or an entire galaxy.

The dissolution of an incarnation (suicide?) Or such.

All is well always from the perspective of the present/past/future Moment we're in.  That doesn't mean all is well everywhere.  All is not well if you're seriously hurt.  All is not well when a planet is reduced to an asteroid belt.  All is not well when someone is taking their own life of their own accord.  

'All is well' is subjective.

The stakes are subjective, high stakes are subjective.

Becoming so heavily confused past a point is probably a high stake for 3D iincarnations...ending an incarnation and becoming disturbed at the actuality of Existence, how empty it can seem, how pointless it can seem.  Not wanting to participate in it, have anything to do with it, your latent reality or any of Existence.

I think high stakes exist.

Just not exactly in every context we'd think of as super important.

[Raz]

Reality is like an ever ongoing inc blot test (results constantly pending and evolving)... You know... Where a therapist shows a patient a white paper with an inc blot and the patient tells; it´s a butterfly, a monster or whatever comes to mind...

How our interpretations expresses them selves about reality tells us more about state of mind and frame of reference than about what it is trying to grasp with the elusive labyrinth of defined understanding... And that is fine, even mandatory to function on a practical level in day to day life... still... An aspect of this cluster feels it´s important to acknowledge the deeper immediate experience of understanding; "An emotion is not an emotion, it´s just called an emotion" and feel that this understanding can be applied to everything, on every layer of our experience, including the mysterious limiting definitions...

What comes in to mind must come out, inspired creative expression is what it´s all about...

[The_Tired_Philosopher]

So who created the intelligence found in reality? All I can think of is Intelligence created itself. Is the 9 to the Beasts 6.

[Minyatur]

So who created the intelligence found in reality?  All I can think of is Intelligence created itself.  Is the 9 to the Beasts 6.

Intelligence is awareness and there is but one awareness.

[Minyatur]

I guess it means to create. Just like how humans create cities and stuff, the Creator seeks to create endlessly.

That's pretty much how conceptualize it, too.  But it's so unsatisfying.  It makes Creation into some sort of game or epiphenomenon that doesn't really seem important.  That's the struggle I have with the teleological model of the Law of One: that the stakes don't seem very high at all.

I explain that away by saying that my third density intellect is not designed to understand these things, but again: meh.

Not sure in what way you can envision reality that would have more meaning than what it already has.

About 3D intellect, I do think that is wrong. Your mind is not unable to, it is veiled to it.

[Stranger]

In contrast, what would be a really important thing for the Creator to be doing instead?

[The_Tired_Philosopher]

Intelligence is not awareness, awareness wouldn't be without intelligence, no, awareness is Intelligence.

Sorry Min, once more you offer a view that is exactly opposite my own.

The Creator could go about trying to find out why it is at all instead of playing these charades of self discovery infinitely.  You know, figure out its presence's existence.  Stop playing games and making creations for fun.

I figure discovering my origin is really important. Why I am at all beyond I AM.  Where my eternalness comes from.

But instead, I want to know suffering???  I want to know horror??  I want to know Death?

Oic is a jerk as much as it is a lover in my mind sometimes...

[Minyatur]

Intelligence is not awareness, awareness wouldn't be without intelligence, no, awareness is Intelligence.

Sorry Min, once more you offer a view that is exactly opposite my own.

The Creator could go about trying to find out why it is at all instead of playing these charades of self discovery infinitely.  You know, figure out its presence's existence.  Stop playing games and making creations for fun.

I figure discovering my origin is really important. Why I am at all beyond I AM.  Where my eternalness comes from.

But instead, I want to know suffering???  I want to know horror??  I want to know Death?

Oic is a jerk as much as it is a lover in my mind sometimes...

What if nothing is ever regretted? And that this being the case is the only thing that permit existence to be. The Creator is doing things for Itself as there is only Itself, it is his will to be, to feel, to know, to love, to be provided, to be denied, to be understood, to be misunderstood, to understand and to not understand. Behind every thing there is only love and pure intent to be found. 

[The_Tired_Philosopher]

I am Creator, I decree you wrong/right.
Who's wrong and who's right between us now?

[zvonimir]

excerpt from book THE BODHIDHARMA ANTOLOGY

25. Question: "Worldly people apply themselves to various sorts of
learning. Why do they fail to obtain the path?" Answer: “Because they
see a self they do not obtain the path." lf' they were able to avoid seeing
a self then they would obtain the path.

hope it helps

[Minyatur]

I am Creator, I decree you wrong/right.
Who's wrong and who's right between us now?

Time will tell, it always does. I might forget what I am supposed to be wrong/right about though.

[Infinite Unity]

Illusions too believe they are real because they experience.

Just because you are, doesn't mean you actually are.  
Imagine being a self aware illusion.  You're not real, but feel like you are.  Weird how that works, so once more I still don't know how to prove yourself real.

As Gem says, who does the thinking?  What is a thought, why does it make me any more real than the passing notice of an entity or the whim of ones awareness?

How can I prove my thoughts are real?

I'm just trying to plumb how much people question their reality.  Most never go beyond their thoughts as validation.

one of the reasons you gotta be ready to touch infinity. The formless potential of all the rolling writhing flowing ebbing waning energy awareness that we all are. Its infinite you are what you believe you are within the lines of infinity. Where no true lines exist. Only experience or being.
Its like your awareness is really all your senses, manifold into one experience, instead of modes of operation.

[Quincunx]

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[flofrog]

I talk with plants

[tadeus]

When it hurts to come up it's a feeling to be really old.

[unity100]

You don't have to prove anything - the concept of 'real' that we know exists as much as we discovered it. If you conclude that you are real with your own understanding of what is 'real', then you are real.

We don't know a 'real' that is beyond our knowledge or understanding yet.