"good works for the wrong reasons"

[Shemaya]

Truth is subjective. Interesting.

It is interesting to me too IGW.  I think truth just is.  I think it may be perceived from different angles and viewpoints, but I would wholeheartedly disagree with the statement, "Truth is subjective."

How would you define truth?

Truth is what is real, what is factual.  Truth is reality.  

[Minyatur]

Truth is subjective. Interesting.

It is interesting to me too IGW.  I think truth just is.  I think it may be perceived from different angles and viewpoints, but I would wholeheartedly disagree with the statement, "Truth is subjective."

How would you define truth?

Truth is what is real, what is factual.  Truth is reality.  

In my view reality is that we are nothingness that tries to be the furthest away from itself that it can. We create infinite illusions to forget that we are empty void.

[Infinite Unity]

Extremely correct in my opinion minyatur. Smoke and mirrors, and light.

[Infinite Unity]

lolol TRUTH!

[Infinite Unity]

Truth is akin to a comicon convetion. The only real truth is the original thought.

[Shemaya]

@Infinite Unity

I am just going with the notion that the truth will set us free.  If you are free, no need to care.  I am just too empathic and feel the oppression all around me. I am aware of the original Thought and real freedom, but I am also pretty grounded in this collective reality.

I will feel free here when my other-selves feel free.

[Shemaya]

How would you define truth?

Truth is what is real, what is factual.  Truth is reality.  

In my view reality is that we are nothingness that tries to be the furthest away from itself that it can. We create infinite illusions to forget that we are empty void.

If you are nothing, than what is nothing doing?

Hmmmm, sounds pretty disconnected from your body, your life, this earth.  I don't agree. My heart is something and so is everyone else's in our forming 4D SMC. Those are the inspired words of a very wise and loving 4d activated being, see below.

[Minyatur]

If we take out everything that is fake, there is no light nor radiance nor something to radiate upon. 

STO/STS are illusions of duality from the illusion of manyness. How could you serve others when there is only yourself to begin with? How could you not serve yourself when yourself is all there is? Both polarities make sense within the illusion of being an individualized portion of the OIC among other individualized portions of which our awareness is cut.

The purpose of it is for the OIC to know Itself under myriads of illusions. Our true nature is nothing like what is found here, as more and more illusions are removed then at one point nothing is left but a single awareness which is "playing" a game of being all of us. Beyond that is nothingness.

[Minyatur]

The only thing there is to dislike in the actions of others (whether it is murder, rape, etc), is simply the awareness that under the right conditions you are doing these things.

We're all just the exact one same thing.

To want these things to be otherwise is not wanting to know ourselves, which is another facet explored of what we are.

[Shemaya]

I am not sure I agree with all your suppositions.  I don't think the individualized portions just disappear to be One.  I think there is Unity.

Like a physical Body.  My body is one, but is made of trillions of cells each with individual awareness.

It's an analog of the OIC, made of individualized portions in Unity, as all of creation reflects the Original's  thoughts.

We have explored the dark and the shadow. 

But we are in a collective reality which seems linear in time.  At this juncture of time , we are creating a 4D memory complex, and the positive 4D is one without murder and rape because that is not possible when the green Ray is fully open.  Those things occur as a result of omission of green Ray energies.

[Minyatur]

I am not sure I agree with all your suppositions.  I don't think the individualized portions just disappear to be One.  I think there is Unity.

Like a physical Body.  My body is one, but is made of trillions of cells each with individual awareness.

It's an analog of the OIC, made of individualized portions in Unity, as all of creation reflects the Original's  thoughts.

We have explored the dark and the shadow. 

But we are in a collective reality which seems linear in time.  At this juncture of time , we are creating a 4D memory complex, and the positive 4D is one without murder and rape because that is not possible when the green Ray is fully open.  Those things occur as a result of omission of green Ray energies.

The individualized portions reach back to the Source upon leaving this one of infinite octaves of existence. But even without that there is One exploring being every individualized portion of Itself, that is how the Creator may know Itself. In this there is a Unity that cannot be broken as all the things are but the will of One.

I think Love has been much more explored than Darkness, and it is the will of the OIC to explore Itself constantly in new ways.

Green ray is but a parameter of awareness that was thought, there could be universes without this seat of awareness being explored, not so much linked to our true nature.

Unveiled we would be aware that we each are the only thing there is to be, that other-selves are us being something we are not in our individualized awareness but that we are in theirs. That our experiences is their experiences and that their experiences is also our own.

[Shemaya]

I have a question.

Why aren't you focusing on this reality, on this " octave of existence"?

Unveiled we would have no distortions and greater awareness , however, that is not where we are right now.  Why don't you connect to this present reality?

[AnthroHeart]

I don't agree that unveiled we have no distortions, because Ra has distortions and they are unveiled.

[Shemaya]

I don't agree that unveiled we have no distortions, because Ra has distortions and they are unveiled.

Yes, you are right.  I was thinking more about Source having no distortions.  

[Minyatur]

I have a question.

Why aren't you focusing on this reality, on this " octave of existence"?

Unveiled we would have no distortions and greater awareness , however, that is not where we are right now.  Why don't you connect to this present reality?

Unveiled we would have distortions (pretty much all we would be, distorted individualized portions of the OIC). We simply wouldn't be veiled to our true nature. The working of distortions to distortions to reach back to the source takes what is like an eternity to accomplish and each one of us is an exploration of one path among infinite other paths of doing so.

The focus of this Octave is like any other, to reach the end game to start a new one in greater ways of awareness. To become what we all are fully once again, to liberate our potential so that it's experiences may be harvested in creating a new experience in the upper level. In this one we explore mainly the duality of self being self-aware among other-selves which creates the two paths or two polarities and this is done until both paths are fully seen are one and that there is no more duality to be reconcilied or paradox to be solved. That the ever pefect Unity that always was is seen fully by self. Well this is in a way over-simplifying things, the knowledge is easy to know but to feel it fully within self takes many lessons and experiences which all lead to an invebitable end.


Life on earth has nothing to do with this Octave altogether either, it's just a storybook among infinite others. For myself this earth can turn 4D STO or STS and it has nothing much to do with me, the end line result will be what is most desired by the large enough group that will impose their will by polarizing it far enough to their side of the balance. If STO denies the desires of those of the other path, then it is in no way different than STS. Self has it's desires and self acts upon it's desires, in my case I desire nothing for myself from this earth and I don't perceive STO as being any better than STS, except it being more self-righteous.

[Shemaya]

I don't know about that.  

I see what we fully are as a state of very low entropy, bliss, awareness.  The dark aspects are chaotic, high entropy and thrive on deception and manipulation, rather than awareness.  Therefore, my perspective is that the dark aspects are not our true nature.

You may view them equally valid, but I would self righteously say that is not right.  One is true nature, the other is false.

[Infinite Unity]

These are but mediums for conscience beings to experience, and make choices. I can tell your monica. You are beautiful and full of love.

[Infinite Unity]

you are very much a 4d being. Stumbling ever forward full of compassion in search of the universal love. One day you will realize that the oppression you feel, originated internally not the other way around.

[Shemaya]

These are but mediums for conscience beings to experience, and make choices. I can tell your monica. You are beautiful and full of love.

Awww, what a compliment! I am not Monica, but it's nice to know your feel my heart.

[Infinite Unity]

These are but mediums for conscience beings to experience, and make choices. I can tell your monica. You are beautiful and full of love.

Awww, what a compliment! I am not Monica, but it's nice to know your feel my heart.

You being being Monica was but a guess, I feel the exact same energy, when reading you twos posts. I can feel your love yes.

[Infinite Unity]

I can tell you care and love other self's a tremendous amount, so much so that it partially blinds you.

[Infinite Unity]

Not that you can ever have to much love, however you can trip over compassion.

[Shemaya]

Not that you can ever have to much love, however you can trip over compassion.

Yes that's for sure!  Wise one you are, like Yoda.