Wondering about an Experience I Had

[The_Tired_Philosopher]

So I'm no tough guy physically, maybe mentally but physically I'm pretty naive perhaps.   So it goes to say having my Wisdom Teeth removed while Conscious and gased wasn't the best experience.

During the surgery they had to cauterize (See: Burn shut) a 'rogue' blood vessel in my jaw.  It hurt worst than anything I knew, even through the numbing, and to this day that spot on my jaw/cheek is numbed.
So the process was a little traumatic and during it--  and this is what I am curious about and was hoping someone could help me out:
I experienced for lack of better words a voice in my mind that started with a simple, "Hello."
Being bewildered and somewhat relieved of something taking my focus off the horror right in my jaw, I responded "Who are you?"
And it replied, "You, I Love You."

Now, looking back at everything.  The experience is ironic of what I've come upon, Law of One related.

Do you guys think I possibly experienced a glimpse of, I don't know, a higher self?   The experience at the time left me in tears before the numbing agent fully wore off and the pain from the burned blood vessel rerouted my reason for tears lol

[AnthroHeart]

If it was your higher self, there would be a feeling of joy and calm with it, because you'd be in alignment with it.

[Minyatur]

Your higher self

Someone that loves you.. anyone can say they're you because you're also everyone

[Aion]

You were spoken to by your Totality which is you. It is the One Infinite that you are speaking.

[Matt1]

To some they might say it was simply a matter of being under the medication, to others perhaps the traumatic experience allowed for the unconsciousness to come through as your higher self. We tend to pick the answer that makes us most comfortable.

Nobody can tell you what the experience was. Only you can decide.

[APeacefulWarrior]

I'd personally say it was your higher selves talking to you. You were being flooded with energy\catalyst at that moment. I don't wanna get all "dark side" here, but past a point, intense pain and intense pleasure have very similar effects on the body. While the circumstances were quite different, my first hints of contact were under intense situations as well.

Also, there's a definite tendency of people to "detach" their consciousness during extreme pain\pleasure. While it's thankfully never happened to me, I understand that people being tortured tend to "check out" and have that floaty not-part-of-their-body feeling once it gets too bad. If the pain got so intense your spirit was attempting to cut contact with the body, it would have presumably left you more open to contact from higher sources.

For that matter, various religious\spiritual groups have used pain to deliberately try to activate that sort of feeling. Flagellation or "corporal mortification" were sometimes used by Catholic groups during the middle ages, and I understand that certain Tantric sects can get pretty out there in terms of alternating pleasure\pain to increase such effects.

And after all, it said that it loves you. It was clearly trying to provide comfort in a really terrible situation. That's exactly what our higher-selves are there to try to do. (among other things)

Have you tried reaching out to that contact in your meditations? AFAIK, that's still the best way to detach your mind without putting the body through intense experiences.

[tamaryn]

Future self for sure chiming in....

I guess you know what you will sound like in the future though...

Seriously though, I have a name for my future self, and I talk to him/her all the time. Best guide. ever.

Like PeacefulWarrior said, they can choose to visit you whenever they see you in any bit of distress.

[The_Tired_Philosopher]

I just don't understand, I've contacted my higher self once in meditation and it was very different.  There was no voice or such needed.

Then in this experience in the OP...  It was my voice speaking back to me, and only those brief words.  I did wonder if it was the gas but something just tells me it wasn't because everything was so clear at that moment, like that inner voice took up most of... my...hearing.  like I focused in on it or, it was like I have this insanely loud drill grinding away part of my jaw breaking bone, just crunch crack snap breaking noises like a hammer reverberating through your skull, and then the voice speaks and its 'louder', the loudest thought I may have ever had.

But why is it in my voice in my mind? Why doesn't.  I've heard snippets of harmonic resonance sounding like voices.  I've heard a buzzing female voice say 'no repair', I've heard my name said before by another being once.  Then during my work in consciousness I realized that my voice wasn't always my thoughts/words in my mind, which at first really freaked me out, but after accepting it I realized it was me or my guides talking through me at times giving me intuitions.  In my own voice but.

Its just confusing.  Hearing myself but its not me, in a place where my voice is I as far as I knew.

I can believe it was my higher self.  Now I know why it was my own voice...

I wonder, if I give guides permission to speak through my mind with their own voices, if that'd be easier for me, if itd even matter.
-Ruffes hair- ahhhh i don't know...

[The_Tired_Philosopher]

I wonder if I'll be coming back one 'day' from now to help myself from another dimension, Interstellar like.

[tamaryn]

Exactly, you give them permission to appear to you in a certain way familiar for your learning. So dont get too tripped up about the way of the message; The message was trippy, yes, and it came from future you. But what were you trying to really say to yourself? As a guide to a past self?

[The_Tired_Philosopher]

-Shrugs-
Wait, which part? The OP, or the few times Ive heard 'another' in my mind?

[Aion]

Our future selves interact with us. My girlfriend had her future self step in many times when she was growing up during times of abuse and trauma. She was later told that she had made an arrangement with the Fates so that her future self who was stronger would take on the suffering so she wouldn't be broken down by her experiences.

I have a very fantastical relationship with my future self. It's like a feedback loop between the present and all the future possibilities that can currently arise. Sometimes from very distant future lives. Time is just an illusion. It's all here, now.

[The_Tired_Philosopher]

I'm noticing that more and more especially through synchronicities.

[Aion]

Yeah, synchronicity is pretty much the standard model in my life. If things aren't synchronized then it indicates to me that something is off or imbalanced.

[APeacefulWarrior]

I think it's also important to keep in mind that everyone's relationship to their higher selves is going to be highly personalized. From what Ra and other channeled sources say, they're there to help us in the way that we each need helping, personally. If someone's Christian, their guides appear to them as Christ. If Buddhist, the Buddha. If Muslim, Mohammed. Or ancient ancestors, or spirit animals, or guardian angels, or patron saints, or Kami, or future selves, etc etc.

Plus, there's reason to believe the relationship is also going to depend on the "original" density of the person in question. A 4D Wanderer and a 6D Wanderer would have different resources to call upon, and their setups would almost certainly be different than the support system helping a native 3D struggle towards their initial polarization. And undoubtedly those who are strongly positive or negative would have vastly different perceptions of their higher selves.

I don't think there are too many "global" definitions that can be set here. One's relationship to their guides is their relationship, and no one else's. There's no wrong way to go about this, as long as the person is making that contact and trying to pay attention when help is given.

[AnthroHeart]

Yeah, synchronicity is pretty much the standard model in my life. If things aren't synchronized then it indicates to me that something is off or imbalanced.

You're walking a razor's edge if synchronicity is the norm.
Do you find rest?

[Aion]

I think it's also important to keep in mind that everyone's relationship to their higher selves is going to be highly personalized.  From what Ra and other channeled sources say, they're there to help us in the way that we each need helping, personally.  If someone's Christian, their guides appear to them as Christ.  If Buddhist, the Buddha.  If Muslim, Mohammed.  Or ancient ancestors, or spirit animals, or guardian angels, or patron saints, or Kami, or future selves, etc etc.

Plus, there's reason to believe the relationship is also going to depend on the "original" density of the person in question.  A 4D Wanderer and a 6D Wanderer would have different resources to call upon, and their setups would almost certainly be different than the support system helping a native 3D struggle towards their initial polarization.  And undoubtedly those who are strongly positive or negative would have vastly different perceptions of their higher selves.

I don't think there are too many "global" definitions that can be set here.  One's relationship to their guides is their relationship, and no one else's.  There's no wrong way to go about this, as long as the person is making that contact and trying to pay attention when help is given.

There is Unity in the fact that we all share profound experiences though.

[Aion]

Yeah, synchronicity is pretty much the standard model in my life. If things aren't synchronized then it indicates to me that something is off or imbalanced.

You're walking a razor's edge if synchronicity is the norm.
Do you find rest?

Yeah, when I sleep I get my rest. I think one of the reasons I don't experience my dream activity lucidly or consciously is to give me a break. My waking reality is weird and magical enough, but I wouldn't change it for anything in the world. I just try to love it, work with it and go with the flow as much as possible.

[Bourbon Betty]

Its not that uncommon for parts of the body that are forever locked away by medical procedures to scream out in agony something relating to their love for you before they vanish beyond the event horizon, if it had a feeling of hooking you to finding it it was STS, if it had the feeling of YAY I'LL GET TO SEE YOU AGAIN AFTER THE BLOOD REROUTES, then it was STO, thats just my take though.

[Nicholas]

I experienced for lack of better words a voice in my mind that started with a simple, "Hello."

When my fiancee was 12 years old she inhaled cannabis for the first time in her life and heard a voice say "hello" in her head shortly afterwards. She replied with "Hi".

My guess is that your guides have introduced themselves to you, or other aspects of your self have taken the opportunity to greet you in this circumstance.

PS. My fiancee has agreed that I can share this but has not allowed me to elaborate any further   

[AnthroHeart]

The first of 3 times I tried pot I could barely walk.

[rva_jeremy]

Do you guys think I possibly experienced a glimpse of, I don't know, a higher self?   The experience at the time left me in tears before the numbing agent fully wore off and the pain from the burned blood vessel rerouted my reason for tears lol

If you encountered a stranger on the street who said this to you and then walked away, never to be seen again, would you think twice about their identity?  Ok, you might think twice.  But it wouldn't bother you, I'd think.

Why analyze it too much?  Would it make the experience more profound if it was your higher self?  If you found out it was something or someone else, would that taint the experience?

The challenge to accept and not judge is tough to live with sometimes, because it gives us nothing to hold onto as we build a personality.  But it allows us to feel purely, and that's a true gift with no mental substitute.

You had a taste of mystery--perfect, awesome, and maybe with a slight undertone of confusion or even fear.  It's such a gift.

[Raz]

experience is funny... Where does one experience start and another end? When we fall asleep or when we wake up? it´s all one dynamic experience regardless how much we hit the mental refresh button or create mental maps of the one experience. And when a phase becomes normalized it opens up for the next surprise... It´s all so beautiful... especially at the transition stages...

do you walk with your nose in the mental map of memory or are you taking in the scenery? =)

[APeacefulWarrior]

There is Unity in the fact that we all share profound experiences though.

Oh, absolutely. I'm just saying that the fact of one person's experience or perceptions in no way negates anyone else's. Comparisons should be used to try to better-understand the bigger picture, not to in some way validate personal experiences.

[The_Tired_Philosopher]

Both, just depends where my mind is... The scenery is often synchronistic to the point of being magical lately.

-Glares at my phone not cooperating with quotes-
Jeremy, if a stranger did that itd be drastically different. Back then, I wouldn't have believed it. For it to happen in my mind, that is a resource, a...route to follow upon baxk to meet that aspect of my self-- so yes, it does matter. You don't find a mystery then just say 'its a mystery, case closed', least I don't in these matters...

Nich, you are more than free to pm me privately if she isn't comfortable saying it publicly. Can't blame her... I didn't want to talk about it at first, I felt crazy. Then I realized by the communicated words that experience might be Law of One related, without me even knowing about the Law of One at the time (further definitive subjective proof of its existence). My first high was in a group, they gave me a bong and said keep sucking. My mind was so messed up things people said seemed like a complete and utter dream, I got so bad I was completely numb killed over. My friends thought I was fine.

I made it very clear later on (in anger) how worthless of friends They were at the time -angry smiles-

I polarize in my dreams now and then, can't do it unless I'm sleeping sober mainly i think, though there are a few times...but it probably depends on when I smoke before bed.

I've been waking up to...thoughts...lately. like in waking up to my alarm I'll be in midthought on something Law if One related.
Pretty different.

[rva_jeremy]

Jeremy, if a stranger did that itd be drastically different.  Back then, I wouldn't have believed it.  For it to happen in my mind, that is a resource, a...route to follow upon baxk to meet that aspect of my self-- so yes, it does matter.  You don't find a mystery then just say 'its a mystery, case closed', least I don't in these matters...

I dunno.  It's your experience, not mine.  But I think it is valid to say "It's a mystery" and the to close the case to the part of the self that can only go so far with mystery.

I'd be ecstatic to have your experience, though.  My life has not afforded me many of the sublime opportunities that so many wanderers seem unable to beat off with a stick.  Heh.

[The_Tired_Philosopher]

Jeremy I am actually right there with you. This was the only experience besides meeting my higher self in meditation where something clearly external to me occurred internally.

Otherwise. I've never even.left my body or astral projected. Never without a doubt besides a select few times heard a voice...

I mean, the only things that come to mind are, as a kid I used to have a rain drop like spot land on my arm, inside buildings, with no clear cause, not even myself or others. I had one time when my babysitter's kid threw something at my face as hard as he could, dont remember any of it cause it send me through...a tunnel or...something but I had a flash, it lasted for seconds then suddenly its a Minute later and im bawling my eyes out inthe arms of my babysitter.

Beyobd those few VERY HIGHLY vague things... I dont have any other experiences. Nothing like seeing lights or anything spectacular.

I saw a star shimmer brightly then VANISH the other night though, That was mysterious and caught my attention...

I hope to experience more things that push the envelope for my...veiled self.

I actually made a deal to myself, when I die, before I remember everything from the veil wearing off, I'M TAKING A UNIVERSAL ROAD TRIP
Gonna give Joe here (I) a trip around the Universe, enjoy myself, astound myself, then...probably apologize to myself.

I wasn't expecting self awareness of my true self to backfire so viciously at times...

[Aion]

I'll just leave this here.

3.9 Questioner: I am reminded of the statement, approximately, if you had enough faith, you could say to a mountain to move and the mountain would move. I assume this is approximately what you are saying, and I am assuming that if you are fully aware of the Law of One, then you are able to do these things. Is that correct?

Ra: I am Ra. The vibratory distortion of sound, faith, is perhaps one of the stumbling blocks between those of what we may call the infinite path and those of the finite proving/understanding.

You are precisely correct in your understanding of the congruency of faith and intelligent infinity; however, one is a spiritual term, the other more acceptable perhaps to the conceptual framework distortions of those who seek with measure and pen.

[Minyatur]

This thread makes me think of an experience I had while going to sleep yesterday.

I thought of you Van and what you were saying about everything being illusions lately, and it started to echo the word illusion in my mind through different voices. I was just like.. what is happening?.. what is the intent?.. is it to make me lose faith or lose my mind of something?.. seems not to work if it's that. Then I fell asleep.

[Raz]

Beyobd those few VERY HIGHLY vague things...  I dont have any other experiences.  Nothing like seeing lights or anything spectacular.

Your mind has normalized the patterns of experience you are in right now as you use imagination/memory as a reference point in how you relate to the present moment and if there is not much contrast between what you imagine/remember we become numb to the normalized experience patters, the present experience is rather spectacular when you use "nothing" as a reference point for the ultimate contrast.

imagine there is nothing, no space, no darkness, no light, no potential, no inner no outer; then there suddenly is THIS (the totality of the individual present/future/past experience spectrum, including imagination/memory inner and outer) magically expressed potential and I got a front seat and can even interact with aspects of it  
Thus you are no longer using there same system to reference (loop) within it self and get contrast to see, you see the mystery more directly and inanimately...    
now compare what is with what we imagined was (what was is only ever found in imagination/memory spectrum and we use it as an orientating tool almost trance like) and it all becomes rather intriguing  

I Like to do this little exercise now and then as it putts me (even the simplest of situations) in a sense of delightful awe and wonder, not in a extreme way but it is awesome as a mental garbage cleaner and a good meditation tool, or making a mundane task like cleaning the dishes or going to work.

life is a dynamic meditation and creating a creative tool set that works for you can be fun and practical,

relax, its all just an expression, apply meaning at your discretion, focus & have fun =)