Why I am not a vegan

[Diana]

I personally should be malnourished while I do eat meat. But I do give praise to the One Infinite Creator for the glorious taste of what I eat and so far my body seems to be doing quite well.

Why should you be malnourished? We each are responsible for the bodies we have. Why not feed your body optimal food? I do realize that for some, the amount of choice because of finances is limited. But with every situation, there would be some choice. For instance, buying a completely dead and nutritionally worthless (not to mention the aspects of supporting bad corporate practices) MacDonald's hamburger and French fries, versus buying nutritionally dense kale, a bag of carrots and some quinoa.   

The human body will on its own maintain good health until metabolism accumulates waste and damage and cells mutate. So if you are not feeding your body well, you won't notice it for a long while. If you are still in your twenties, abuse generally won't be noticeable yet.

This is aside from mental influence and the energetic influences from the food consumed. No matter what density anyone comes from, there is still the physical body here, and it is as real as anything else is, though fleeting within the grand scope of things. Why not take good care of everything you (to no one in particular) are caretaker of?

[Minyatur]

Must have been hard to admit openly your wrongs, but it is an important step on the ever on-going path of growth.

I personally should be malnourished while I do eat meat. But I do give praise to the One Infinite Creator for the glorious taste of what I eat and so far my body seems to be doing quite well.

You didn't even look at those pics of malnourished vegans.

Good insight, having looked at them now I stand by my words.

[Monica]

You didn't even look at those pics of malnourished vegans.

Good insight, having looked at them now I stand by my words.

Like you said, hard to admit when we're wrong, eh?  

[Minyatur]

I personally should be malnourished while I do eat meat. But I do give praise to the One Infinite Creator for the glorious taste of what I eat and so far my body seems to be doing quite well.

Why should you be malnourished? We each are responsible for the bodies we have. Why not feed your body optimal food? I do realize that for some, the amount of choice because of finances is limited. But with every situation, there would be some choice. For instance, buying a completely dead and nutritionally worthless (not to mention the aspects of supporting bad corporate practices) MacDonald's hamburger and French fries, versus buying nutritionally dense kale, a bag of carrots and some quinoa.   

The human body will on its own maintain good health until metabolism accumulates waste and damage and cells mutate. So if you are not feeding your body well, you won't notice it for a long while. If you are still in your twenties, abuse generally won't be noticeable yet.

This is aside from mental influence and the energetic influences from the food consumed. No matter what density anyone comes from, there is still the physical body here, and it is as real as anything else is, though fleeting within the grand scope of things. Why not take good care of everything you (to no one in particular) are caretaker of?

I think of myself as my own healing test-subject and as such you could say I create my own catalysts to work with. When I get better at it, I might change my habits to be more efficient in working with others.

[Minyatur]

You didn't even look at those pics of malnourished vegans.

Good insight, having looked at them now I stand by my words.

Like you said, hard to admit when we're wrong, eh?  

Well I don't exercise and never said a vegan diet wasn't good for the body.

[Monica]

Well I don't exercise and never said a vegan diet wasn't good for the body.

Then maybe I misunderstood when you said "I stand by my words." I wasn't sure what you meant by that.

[Minyatur]

Well I don't exercise and never said a vegan diet wasn't good for the body.

Then maybe I misunderstood when you said "I stand by my words." I wasn't sure what you meant by that.

That my sarcasm was attracted by your sarcasm. That last post was my 2, 222th maybe I should seek meaning in it.

[Bluebell]

everyone has a different body. some bodies don't run on carrots.

[Monica]

everyone has a different body. some bodies don't run on carrots.

I don't think any human body can run on carrots alone. I'm pretty sure those vegans in those pics eat more than just carrots, salads and celery. But then, that's the common misconception: That we eat only carrots, salads and celery.

[Monica]

This pretty much sums it up!


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[Matt1]

Could the rejectment of enjoying meat be consider not accepting and experiencing a part of the self?

Ra: I am Ra. The proper role of the entity is in this density to experience all things desired, to then analyze, understand, and accept these experiences, distilling from them the love/light within them. Nothing shall be overcome. That which is not needed falls away.

Ra says that it is proper to experience all things desired by the self, which would logically include the enjoyment of eating meats, which would then be accepted and understood. While not trying to over come that desire. However they do go on to say that which is not needed will fall away, in such a casing of eating of meats could be consider by some individuals as not necessary in their overall balance, but that does not mean that the unique balance of an other entity would result in the ceasing of eating meat products.

[Monica]

Could the rejectment of enjoying meat be consider not accepting and experiencing a part of the self?

Ra: I am Ra. The proper role of the entity is in this density to experience all things desired, to then analyze, understand, and accept these experiences, distilling from them the love/light within them. Nothing shall be overcome. That which is not needed falls away.

Ra says that it is proper to experience all things desired by the self, which would logically include the enjoyment of eating meats, which would then be accepted and understood. While not trying to over come that desire. However they do go on to say that which is not needed will fall away, in such a casing of eating of meats could be consider by some individuals as not necessary in their overall balance, but that does not mean that the unique balance of an other entity would result in the ceasing of eating meat products.

Ra also says a LOT of other things too! I think this quote should be 1.) taken in context and 2.) balanced with all the other quotes from Ra about service, polarity, and many other issues.

But let's try ignoring context and other concepts, just for now, and apply this stand-alone quote to another situation, just for fun:

Let's say that one of our members wants to start a thread called "How to rape and murder little girls."

How many of you will tell them "Oh go right ahead...who am I to judge? Don't try to suppress your impulses to rape and murder little girls, because Ra said that you're supposed to experience all things desired by self! So if you desire that, then go right ahead and rape and murder little girls! Don't try to overcome it...just let it fall away naturally. Or maybe it won't fall away at all. That's ok too."

How does that work?

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[AnthroHeart]

Ra didn't just say to experience all things desired by self.
He said only for those desires that are consonant with the Law of One.
That means to me not violating anyone's free will.

[Diana]

Ra didn't just say to experience all things desired by self.
He said only for those desires that are consonant with the Law of One.
That means to me not violating anyone's free will.

I think that is what Monica is trying to get across. And this point has been central to the whole discussion—many respect the free will of humans, but not the free will of animals. Of course, animals don't tell us what they want with words. But they have other ways of getting their messages to us.

Here are some questions to ponder:

1. Why do whales beach themselves?

2. Why do dolphins get caught in nets which they can easily get out of?

3. Why is wildlife scavenging in urban areas?

4. Why are sharks attacking humans? (I am thinking of what the Japanese do to them.)

5. Why do so many humans have negative alien abduction experiences where they are experimented on?

[Minyatur]

Could the rejectment of enjoying meat be consider not accepting and experiencing a part of the self?

Ra: I am Ra. The proper role of the entity is in this density to experience all things desired, to then analyze, understand, and accept these experiences, distilling from them the love/light within them. Nothing shall be overcome. That which is not needed falls away.

Ra says that it is proper to experience all things desired by the self, which would logically include the enjoyment of eating meats, which would then be accepted and understood. While not trying to over come that desire. However they do go on to say that which is not needed will fall away, in such a casing of eating of meats could be consider by some individuals as not necessary in their overall balance, but that does not mean that the unique balance of an other entity would result in the ceasing of eating meat products.

Ra also says a LOT of other things too! I think this quote should be 1.) taken in context and 2.) balanced with all the other quotes from Ra about service, polarity, and many other issues.

But let's try ignoring context and other concepts, just for now, and apply this stand-alone quote to another situation, just for fun:

Let's say that one of our members wants to start a thread called "How to rape and murder little girls."

How many of you will tell them "Oh go right ahead...who am I to judge? Don't try to suppress your impulses to rape and murder little girls, because Ra said that you're supposed to experience all things desired by self! So if you desire that, then go right ahead and rape and murder little girls! Don't try to overcome it...just let it fall away naturally. Or maybe it won't fall away at all. That's ok too."

How does that work?

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It works as that all rapes happening on earth could be prevented by higher density beings which they do not because of free will, as the goal of it all is for the Creator to know Itself and nothing more. 

They hate it as a mirror unto themselves and might even curse their need to face such mirrors. Welcome to Creation, it's not a pretty place until you reach the end and see that there always was only One faking it All as a mirror unto Itself.

[Aion]

You guys forgot that Ra also says that it is probably better to experience things that are not consonant with the Law of One in the mind complex rather than carrying out in the body, but then does that mean it's all good to think about murdering and raping little girls while never actually doing it?

[Matt1]

Could the rejectment of enjoying meat be consider not accepting and experiencing a part of the self?

Ra: I am Ra. The proper role of the entity is in this density to experience all things desired, to then analyze, understand, and accept these experiences, distilling from them the love/light within them. Nothing shall be overcome. That which is not needed falls away.

Ra says that it is proper to experience all things desired by the self, which would logically include the enjoyment of eating meats, which would then be accepted and understood. While not trying to over come that desire. However they do go on to say that which is not needed will fall away, in such a casing of eating of meats could be consider by some individuals as not necessary in their overall balance, but that does not mean that the unique balance off an other entity would result in the ceasing of eating meat products.

Ra also says a LOT of other things too! I think this quote should be 1.) taken in context and 2.) balanced with all the other quotes from Ra about service, polarity, and many other issues.

But let's try ignoring context and other concepts, just for now, and apply this stand-alone quote to another situation, just for fun:

Let's say that one of our members wants to start a thread called "How to rape and murder little girls."

How many of you will tell them "Oh go right ahead...who am I to judge? Don't try to suppress your impulses to rape and murder little girls, because Ra said that you're supposed to experience all things desired by self! So if you desire that, then go right ahead and rape and murder little girls! Don't try to overcome it...just let it fall away naturally. Or maybe it won't fall away at all. That's ok too."

How does that work?

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I think that was a rather exterm jump. However if one did have those feelings based on Ra's teachings they said the visualization of those actions in the mind would be far better than carrying them out on the physical plane. I don't think such logic would be carried out to second density animals that are used as a food source, it would rather i believe help them progress in the development of self awareness. Its similar to the idea that 4th density entities may feed of our energy which is called loosh, and in learning to deal with that we learn to process the catalyst towards forgiveness and universal love.

[Minyatur]

The reason Ra said that all desires should be experienced (in space/time or time/space), is in my opinion that if not these desires will simply re-emerge perhaps as even stronger desires because of them having been repressed.

I do think things are very complicated and there are no quick answers to solve it all.

I know I've been saying this endlessly but I do think many picture many deeds as alien to them, it is not alien to you. It is your own deeds as other-selves, there is no point in thinking you'd be over it, you are clearly doing it in all of these people's shoes.

Instead of judging, what about trying to understand why you are as they are through them?

[Minyatur]

@Monica

Another point, what tells you that a rapist isn't worthy of your compassion just as much as the victim?

Think about what you'd need as circumstances to get there in the first place. In my opinion you simply prefer to look at other's distortions rather than face your own, which we all do to different extents.

[Monica]

It works as that all rapes happening on earth could be prevented by higher density beings which they do not because of free will, as the goal of it all is for the Creator to know Itself and nothing more. 

Maybe so, but do you see those higher density beings raping and murdering little girls? ie. participating?

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[Monica]

I think that was a rather exterm jump.

Why is it extreme?

However if one did have those feelings based on Ra's teachings they said the visualization of those actions in the mind would be far better than carrying them out on the physical plane.

Indeed. So the logic of "well just accept xyz because Ra said to experience whatever you desire" doesn't hold up.

I don't think such logic would be carried out to second density animals that are used as a food source,

Why not?

it would rather i believe help them progress in the development of self awareness. Its similar to the idea that 4th density entities may feed of our energy which is called loosh, and in learning to deal with that we learn to process the catalyst towards forgiveness and universal love.

Are 4D entities raping and murdering little girls to feed themselves?

No? Just our loosh? Did Ra say that 4D entities feed off our loosh? What kind of entities did Ra say do that? and how do they feed? 

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[Monica]

Another point, what tells you that a rapist isn't worthy of your compassion just as much as the victim?

He is.

Think about what you'd need as circumstances to get there in the first place. In my opinion you simply prefer to look at other's distortions rather than face your own, which we all do to different extents.

That's BS. You don't know diddly about how much I face my own issues. This is a philosophical discussion. Quit trying to make this about me. That tactic is frequently used and it's just garbage.

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[Matt1]

I think that was a rather exterm jump.

Why is it extreme?

However if one did have those feelings based on Ra's teachings they said the visualization of those actions in the mind would be far better than carrying them out on the physical plane.

Indeed. So the logic of "well just accept xyz because Ra said to experience whatever you desire" doesn't hold up.

I don't think such logic would be carried out to second density animals that are used as a food source,

Why not?

it would rather i believe help them progress in the development of self awareness. Its similar to the idea that 4th density entities may feed of our energy which is called loosh, and in learning to deal with that we learn to process the catalyst towards forgiveness and universal love.

Are 4D entities raping and murdering little girls to feed themselves?

No? Just our loosh? Did Ra say that 4D entities feed off our loosh? What kind of entities did Ra say do that? and how do they feed? 

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Its not logically to move from an animal that doesn't yet have self awareness to move all the way to the "murdering of a little girl" as you call it who is self aware in 3rd density.

I would say your ignoring the logic of Ra that doesn't work for your argument. All things desired, means all things. However only in cases of exterm, they are visualized rather than carried out. The eating of animal products for self nourishment and pleasure hasn't reached this level of exterm, because it has the produce of providing the body with what it needs.

In regarding the loosh aspect, if you are not willing to accept what Ra says in the quote i previously gave, why would you care about another?
The loosh energy is linked to the developed emotion complex.


In regards to Mintyaturs point, i think its only fair to question the source of information and the person typing behind the keyboard.

[Minyatur]

Ra: I am Ra. The proper role of the entity is in this density to experience all things desired, to then analyze, understand, and accept these experiences, distilling from them the love/light within them. Nothing shall be overcome. That which is not needed falls away.


The orientation develops due to analysis of desire. These desires become more and more distorted towards conscious application of love/light as theentity furnishes itself with distilled experience. We have found it to be inappropriate in the extreme to encourage the overcoming of any desires, except to suggest the imagination rather than the carrying out in the physical plane, as you call it, of those desires not consonant with the Law of One; this preserving the primal distortion of free will.

The reason it is unwise to overcome is that overcoming is an unbalanced action creating difficulties in balancing in the time/space continuum. Overcoming thus creates the further environment for holding onto that which apparently has been overcome.

All things are acceptable in the proper time for each entity, and in experiencing, in understanding, in accepting, in then sharing with other-selves, the appropriate description shall be moving away from distortions of one kind to distortions of another which may be more consonant with the Law of One.

It is, shall we say, a shortcut to simply ignore or overcome any desire. It must instead be understood and accepted. This takes patience and experience which can be analyzed with care, with compassion for self and for other-self.

About the point raised of desires being consonant or not with the Law of One 

In truth there is no right or wrong. There is no polarity for all will be, as you would say, reconciled at some point in your dance through the mind/body/spirit complex which you amuse yourself by distorting in various ways at this time. This distortion is not in any case necessary. It is chosen by each of you as an alternative to understanding the complete unity of thought which binds all things. You are not speaking of similar or somewhat like entities or things. You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation. You are unity. You are infinity. You are love/light, light/love. You are. This is the Law of One.

This is Ra's description of the Law of One, I don't see how any action could be considered as disonant with the Law of One (although like any other I do have my own biases in responding to others' words/actions). The judge is the self as a relative window unto the Creator of Himself among infinite other windows. All things will be forgiven with time as it will be known that there never was something to forgive.

When Ra says not consonant with the Law of One, I do see that as not consonant with one's relative view of it.

[Monica]

Its not logically to move from an animal that doesn't yet have self awareness to move all the way to the "murdering of a little girl" as you call it who is self aware in 3rd density.

Animals do have self-awareness.  

I would say your ignoring the logic of Ra that doesn't work for your argument. All things desired, means all things.

On the contrary; I am considering all of Ra's words together, rather than cherry-picking a single 1 or 2 quotes.

However only in cases of exterm, they are visualized rather than carried out.

I'd say that causing the dominance, torture, and killing of a sentient being qualifies as extreme.

The eating of animal products for self nourishment and pleasure hasn't reached this level of exterm, because it has the produce of providing the body with what it needs.

This has been discussed ad nauseum. It's about pleasure only, because the human body doesn't need meat. Or dairy either. AT ALL.

In regarding the loosh aspect, if you are not willing to accept what Ra says in the quote i previously gave, why would you care about another?  
The loosh energy is linked to the developed emotion complex.

I prefer to consider all of Ra's words together, rather than cherry-picking a single quote. I asked you a question specifically about Ra's words, which you haven't answered: Where in the Material does Ra ever say that 4D entities feed off of the energy of humans?

As I recall, Ra does indeed state that they do, but they are 4D negative entities, who feed off of humans' fear and other negative emotions.

Is that whom you wish to emulate?

In regards to Mintyaturs point, i think its only fair to question the source of information and the person typing behind the keyboard.

You can question all you like but it isn't relevant to the conversation and you won't get any participation from me.

[Monica]

This is Ra's description of the Law of One, I don't see how any action could be considered as disonant with the Law of One (although like any other I do have my own biases in responding to others' words/actions). The judge is the self as a relative window unto the Creator of Himself among infinite other windows. All things will be forgiven with time as it will be known that there never was something to forgive.

When Ra says not consonant with the Law of One, I do see that as not consonant with one's relative view of it.

Well gosh, why bother reading the rest of the book? It's all summed up right there. The fact that you left out 99.99% of Ra's words...nah...doesn't matter.

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[Matt1]

Its not logically to move from an animal that doesn't yet have self awareness to move all the way to the "murdering of a little girl" as you call it who is self aware in 3rd density.

Animals do have self-awareness.  

I would say your ignoring the logic of Ra that doesn't work for your argument. All things desired, means all things.

On the contrary; I am considering all of Ra's words together, rather than cherry-picking a single 1 or 2 quotes.

However only in cases of exterm, they are visualized rather than carried out.

I'd say that causing the dominance, torture, and killing of a sentient being qualifies as extreme.

The eating of animal products for self nourishment and pleasure hasn't reached this level of exterm, because it has the produce of providing the body with what it needs.

This has been discussed ad nauseum. It's about pleasure only, because the human body doesn't need meat. Or dairy either. AT ALL.

In regarding the loosh aspect, if you are not willing to accept what Ra says in the quote i previously gave, why would you care about another?  
The loosh energy is linked to the developed emotion complex.

I prefer to consider all of Ra's words together, rather than cherry-picking a single quote. I asked you a question specifically about Ra's words, which you haven't answered: Where in the Material does Ra ever say that 4D entities feed off of the energy of humans?

As I recall, Ra does indeed state that they do, but they are 4D negative entities, who feed off of humans' fear and other negative emotions.

Is that whom you wish to emulate?

In regards to Mintyaturs point, i think its only fair to question the source of information and the person typing behind the keyboard.

You can question all you like but it isn't relevant to the conversation and you won't get any participation from me.

Self Awareness is of 3rd density, not second.

13.21 Questioner: Then how does the second density progress to the third?

Ra: I am Ra. The second density strives towards the third density which is the density of self-consciousness or self-awareness. The striving takes place through the higher second-density forms who are invested by third-density beings with an identity to the extent that they become self-aware mind/body complexes, thus becoming mind/body/spirit complexes and entering third density, the first density of consciousness of spirit.

I am not putting a couple of quotes together, i am also looking at everything Ra said.

We are not torturing second density animals, we are using them as a food source to fuel the body. They are grown and then killed to be ate. If one was to torture an animal it would be consider animal abuse by law in most countries, this isn't the case.

The humans are unique i wouldn't over generalize in saying that nobody will benefit from eating a meat based diet. Sure you can be Veggie or Vegan and survive, that doesn't mean it will work for every bodies unique needs.  

I understand you asked me a direct question and i directly gave you an answer to it, by pointing out if your going to reject clear information given, what would be the point in sharing it. I have completely and fully taken into understanding all of the teachings of Ra in this context and simply used a few key quotes to point out things. The previous quote shows a very common theme in the material.  

I think anything can be relevant to this topic as long as its put into some context.

4th Density negative beings do feed off negative energies, and loosh is a general concept that exists outside of the Law of One, its common in most esoterica/occultism.
The 3rd density beings learn to deal with and it promotes further growth and development. This can be seen likewise with Animals.

[Monica]

Self Awareness is of 3rd density, not second.

No, Self-awareness is the criteria for getting to 3D. It is developed in 2D.

Just like love/green ray activation is the criteria for 4D. Yet we do experience love and an open heart in 3D, no?

Animals are late 2D, nearing the level of self-awareness to go to 3D, just as many humans are late 3D, nearing sufficient green ray activation to go to 4D.

This thread explores these concepts in depth:

Bring4th Forums One > Strictly Law of One Material  v > Ra's Statements About 2D Entities

We are not torturing second density animals, we are using them as a food source to fuel the body. They are grown and then killed to be ate. If one was to torture an animal it would be consider animal abuse by law in most countries, this isn't the case.

My goodness, please get educated about the meat/dairy industry! You are so mistaken!

Here, these will help you understand:

Meet Your Meat

Bacon in 60 Seconds Flat

Chicken in 60 Seconds Flat

The Dairy Industry in 60 Seconds Flat

The humans are unique i wouldn't over generalize in saying that nobody will benefit from eating a meat based diet. Sure you can be Veggie or Vegan and survive, that doesn't mean it will work for every bodies unique needs.

Human dietary needs vary somewhat, mostly due to the overconsumption of processed foods. However, NO human ever needs meat or dairy. It's simple physiology and this fact has been scientifically proven. It's pretty irrefutable. The only nutrient not found in plants is vitamin B12, and that's only because we no longer eat dirt. If we didn't wash our produce, our gut could synthesize B12 from dirt bacteria, just like animals do. So, that is the one nutrient we do have to supplement. Thankfully, it's very cheap and easy to do.

Now, many people think they need it, but they just aren't educated about how to get their nutrients from plants. 

I understand you asked me a direct question and i directly gave you an answer to it, by pointing out if your going to reject clear information given, what would be the point it sharing it.

I never reject quotes from Ra. I do, however, reject making blanket statements based on single quotes without balancing those with other quotes.

The Ra Material is obviously subject to interpretation.

In the spirit of considering multiple quotes together, I asked you a direct question about where Ra ever said that.

As I recall, Ra only said that about higher STS entities. If you find another quote where Ra said that higher STO entities feed off of the energies of humans, then please share it with me.

4th Density negative beings do feed off negative energies, and loosh is a general concept that exists outside of the Law of One, its common in most esoterica/occultism.
The 3rd density beings learn to deal with and it promotes further growth and development. This can be seen likewise with Animals.

Yes, indeed. But the point is that you seemed to be trying to justify humans feeding off the fear and suffering of animals, on the basis that 4D STS beings feed off the fear and suffering of humans.

If that's the case, then I ask you: Why do you want to emulate 4D negative beings?

[Matt1]

Self Awareness is of 3rd density, not second.

No, Self-awareness is the criteria for getting to 3D. It is developed in 2D.

Just like love/green ray activation is the criteria for 4D. Yet we do experience love and an open heart in 3D, no?

Animals are late 2D, nearing the level of self-awareness to go to 3D, just as many humans are late 3D, nearing sufficient green ray activation to go to 4D.

This thread explores these concepts in depth:

Bring4th Forums One > Strictly Law of One Material  v > Ra's Statements About 2D Entities

We are not torturing second density animals, we are using them as a food source to fuel the body. They are grown and then killed to be ate. If one was to torture an animal it would be consider animal abuse by law in most countries, this isn't the case.

My goodness, please get educated about the meat/dairy industry! You are so mistaken!

Here, these will help you understand:

Meet Your Meat

Bacon in 60 Seconds Flat

Chicken in 60 Seconds Flat

The Dairy Industry in 60 Seconds Flat

The humans are unique i wouldn't over generalize in saying that nobody will benefit from eating a meat based diet. Sure you can be Veggie or Vegan and survive, that doesn't mean it will work for every bodies unique needs.

Human dietary needs vary somewhat, mostly due to the overconsumption of processed foods. However, NO human ever needs meat or dairy. It's simple physiology and this fact has been scientifically proven. It's pretty irrefutable. The only nutrient not found in plants is vitamin B12, and that's only because we no longer eat dirt. If we didn't wash our produce, our gut could synthesize B12 from dirt bacteria, just like animals do. So, that is the one nutrient we do have to supplement. Thankfully, it's very cheap and easy to do.

Now, many people think they need it, but they just aren't educated about how to get their nutrients from plants. 

I understand you asked me a direct question and i directly gave you an answer to it, by pointing out if your going to reject clear information given, what would be the point it sharing it.

I never reject quotes from Ra. I do, however, reject making blanket statements based on single quotes without balancing those with other quotes.

The Ra Material is obviously subject to interpretation.

In the spirit of considering multiple quotes together, I asked you a direct question about where Ra ever said that.

As I recall, Ra only said that about higher STS entities. If you find another quote where Ra said that higher STO entities feed off of the energies of humans, then please share it with me.

4th Density negative beings do feed off negative energies, and loosh is a general concept that exists outside of the Law of One, its common in most esoterica/occultism.
The 3rd density beings learn to deal with and it promotes further growth and development. This can be seen likewise with Animals.

Yes, indeed. But the point is that you seemed to be trying to justify humans feeding off the fear and suffering of animals, on the basis that 4D STS beings feed off the fear and suffering of humans.

If that's the case, then I ask you: Why do you want to emulate 4D negative beings?

Yes Animals are only moving towards self awareness, they haven't yet reached the level of 3rd density, and cannot therefore be considered to be at that vibrational level of awareness of thought/emotion, as you or i.


I assume most of those videos are highly bias. This doesn't directly relate to torture , the farm animals here simply stay in open fields and go through a strict process that is over seen and regulated.


I agree with you on B12, you cannot get a fully nature source of it outside of meats/diary. Likely leading to supplements i would assume. I am not saying people cannot be Vegan, i am saying that people understand there own body types and needs. I don't consider it fair to over generalize the whole of the population into a general diet type.


I have already stated my view on the quotes twice. I have answered your question in regrades to loosh already. I never said STO entities feed from humans.


I am saying that it is a process of Growth, rather than anything negative. How one reacts to the catalyst is when it will be considered to be negative/positive.

I am not trying to emulate a negative 4th density being.

[Jade]

Self Awareness is of 3rd density, not second.

Self-awareness is perfectly obtainable in a 2nd density vehicle. And whether we choose to acknowledge it or not, our current food system is creating plenty of 3rd density harvestable entities within a slave system. This is not my favorite thing.

Can you imagine an entity of 4th density to look upon us humans and say, "I am unable to project compassion upon these lesser ones, as compassion is of 4th density and these beings are of third."?

We are not torturing second density animals, we are using them as a food source to fuel the body.

These actions are not mutually exclusive, and your definition of "torture" differs from mine.

If one was to torture an animal it would be consider animal abuse by law in most countries, this isn't the case.

Most laws facilitate a "look the other way" mentality, like all the ag-gag laws that make it illegal for vigilantes to go undercover to expose abuse. Those who expose the abuse are considered the criminals. If you don't think animals are tortured in our food system, I would bet that Monica has a few hours of footage that can show you what hell looks like.

The humans are unique i wouldn't over generalize in saying that nobody will benefit from eating a meat based diet. Sure you can be Veggie or Vegan and survive, that doesn't mean it will work for every bodies unique needs.

I agree that everyone is unique and benefits from different paths, but our closest biological relatives eat very, very little meat. "Needing" meat is purely psychological, shoot "needing" food can be considered psychological, too. It does very well to examine how many hours of our lives we've been bribed with delicious images of food telling us what to eat (advertisements) and then the secondary effect of family equating food with comfort. The threads run deep.

Could the rejectment of enjoying meat be consider not accepting and experiencing a part of the self?

Sure, but I don't think this is the case for everyone. When I feel the need to consume I just prefer to consume things that reflect the highest level of energy back at me, and dead bloodless animal tissue doesn't do it for me. Sure, it used to, but there was no denial of any part of myself when I gave up meat (considering our most recent primal nature does not descend from carnivores). If you felt as if you were denying yourself when you attempting veg, this is reflective of your own belief systems. I eat what I want, when I want, and every meal surprises me with how delicious it is. Whatever you feel you deserve to consume is your own path to decide.