Initiation / Pyramid Architecture

[Peregrinus]

Don't you hate that? Happened to me the other day.

I hate nothing brother. When I used to write code, and would sometimes lose (BSOD or program crash) three or four hours worth, again and again, and that tested my patience. I would get so lost in the work I never could keep track of time and rarely thought about saving until I had to go to the bathroom or eat or bed or something. I learned to look at it as a chance to do it better, for really, when it is gone, what can one do but go back and redo that part again?

Look forward to it brother.

Me too, tomorrow I hope to find time. I think, as I mentioned above, I will add a good deal more that I was initially intending on adding. The loss was perhaps only 300 words and pictures.

i always copy/paste what i typed into a text file before pushing any buttons. actually i do it intermediately, even without pushing a button, if im writing a long text.

I do that too in notepad++ for extra long or many-quote messages.

[Namaste]

i always copy/paste what i typed into a text file before pushing any buttons. actually i do it intermediately, even without pushing a button, if im writing a long text.

I have an automatic action to hit CMD+S/CTRL+S after making changing/developing a document. Upon readin this, for forums, I may tweak that to CMD+A - CMD+C, just to be sure.

[βαθμιαίος]

I hate nothing brother. When I used to write code, and would sometimes lose (BSOD or program crash) three or four hours worth, again and again, and that tested my patience. I would get so lost in the work I never could keep track of time and rarely thought about saving until I had to go to the bathroom or eat or bed or something. I learned to look at it as a chance to do it better, for really, when it is gone, what can one do but go back and redo that part again?

Perhaps I wrote too strongly. "Isn't that annoying?" might be more accurate than "Don't you hate that?" In any event, it was intended to console you, but apparently you didn't need consoling.

[Lavazza]

Sorry that I am entering the discussion late... This is quite interesting. It does appear that both the King and Queen chambers are not in the correct placement that Ra describes. I hadn't noticed this before... I find the idea of the larger pyramid intriguing, and the added purpose of making the entrance close to ground level seems to make sense. Of course, if the pyramid does extend below the surface it has never been discovered or reported by Egyptologists. That doesn't mean it doesn't, but it does lend me some skepticism on the idea. Maybe it's time I invest in a large book on the pyramids.

Here's one question that comes to mind- what do the walls leading down to the subterranean chamber look like, and how about the walls inside the chamber itself? Are they stone blocks just like the rest of the pyramid?

I guess I just have a hard time believing that in all the time that we've had modern scientific instruments, that someone wouldn't have wondered how far down the blocks of the pyramid extend, or if they do at all.

Curious as always,
Lavazza

[Peregrinus]

Somewhat like these have been "reported"?

[Deekun]

When I visited the Giza complex, I refrained from going inside, as the only option was to go to the Subterranean Chamber. I didn't think highly of the idea of going down and then up a very cramped shaft that had the other 10,000 hot sweaty tourists also having done the same thing the same day...

See this here would make it such a useless trip for me if I decided to go... going so far you would think arrangements could be made to see the whole pyramid. I can understand why they don't allow it... but also seems like a way of keeping those that want more out of it out.

As for the exact location please re-read and think in terms of multiple dimensions not 2D side view as you are looking at it. You are skipping one very precise word that will clue you in as to how to draw it precisely. Just imagine you are a home builder and the home owner is telling you step by step how they want the home to be built... soon enough you will reach the conclusion.

And btw, Ra was very forth giving in information on the pyramid which is one of the things that attracted me to his info... but I took from his info that it was a mistake to have provided it to humanity. So if it was a mistake then I would say it can become a distortion to us now as well, so thread lightly.

[unity100]

the mistake in providing giza complex was that it was used for powerful individuals' own profit and benefit, instead of being a healing tool for all.

that actually goes valid for ANYthing that has been given to this world.

[Ali Quadir]

Perhaps I wrote too strongly. "Isn't that annoying?" might be more accurate than "Don't you hate that?" In any event, it was intended to console you, but apparently you didn't need consoling.

He needs a save button

Peregrinus, what source did those diagrams come from ?

I've accepted there was a library under the sphinx, just like I accepted there is one under the face on mars... The thing just is I learned that in a 80s video game. And that's not a very serious source in most discussions

[Peregrinus]

Source... I did a search. There's all sorts of info out there if one turns over the right stones (pun intended)

[βαθμιαίος]

Just stumbled across this interchange. I guess the Queen's Chamber is portrayed accurately in the published literature and the pyramid does not continue underground after all. However, I don't see how Don came up with one-sixth of the height. Anyone?

...You stated, “You will find the intersection of the triangle which is at the first level on each of the four sides forms a diamond in a plane which is horizontal.” Can you tell me what you meant by the word, intersection?

Ra: I am Ra. Your mathematics and arithmetic have a paucity of configurative descriptions which we might use. Without intending to be obscure, we may note that the purpose of the shapes is to work with time/space portions of the mind/body/spirit complex. Therefore, the intersection is both space/time and time/space oriented and thus is expressed in three dimensional geometry by two intersections which, when projected in both time/space and space/time, form one point.

55.10 Questioner: I have calculated this point to be one-sixth of the height of the triangle that forms the side of the pyramid. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. Your calculations are substantially correct and we are pleased at your perspicacity.

[Lavazza]

Here is the original quote that Don is pulling that from:

4.2 Questioner: Does the shape of the pyramid have an effect upon the initiation?

Ra: I am Ra. As we began the last session question, you have already recorded in your individual memory complex the first use of the shape having to do with the body complex initiation. The initiation of spirit was a more carefully designed type of initiation as regards the time/space ratios about which the entity to be initiated found itself.

If you will picture with me the side of the so-called pyramid shape and mentally imagine this triangle cut into four equal triangles, you will find the intersection of the triangle, which is at the first level on each of the four sides, forms a diamond in a plane which is horizontal. The middle of this plane is the appropriate place for the intersection of the energies streaming from the infinite dimensions and the mind/body/spirit complexes of various interwoven energy fields. Thus it was designed that the one to be initiated would, by mind, be able to perceive and then channel this, shall we say, gateway to intelligent infinity. This, then, was the second point of designing this specific shape.

May we provide a further description of any kind to your query?

It's a real puzzle. Ra clearly states that the pyramid was designed for initiation and where the in streaming energies focus to do this most efficiently. But we don't see that the pyramid is designed correctly per Ra's description. (!?) If it was built correctly we might abstract that the pyramid was only intended to make partial use of those energies, but it seems a stretch to assume so.

As to what Don is getting at with his 1/6th remark, I am equally puzzled.

[unity100]

one should remember that all one needs is something to constitute an inverted cone (pyramid etc) shape. it doesnt matter if it is made of 4 sticks put together, it doesnt matter if it is a full fledged prism. all you need is something to constitute an inverted object for time/space purposes.

thus, it is not necessary for the pyramid to continue with its upper structure as it is into the ground. if, its 4 sides are continuing towards the ground in any fashion, (even if you put stones in sequence, without any structure) pyramid will still function.

[Lavazza]

As for the exact location please re-read and think in terms of multiple dimensions not 2D side view as you are looking at it. You are skipping one very precise word that will clue you in as to how to draw it precisely. Just imagine you are a home builder and the home owner is telling you step by step how they want the home to be built... soon enough you will reach the conclusion.

Hello Deekun

I have put some thought in to this. Since I work with computer graphics it was easy for me to quickly visualize what you are describing here. It is true that we are working from 2D angles, however as I did some quick experiments, the result came out the same. See below...

Here we see a green pyramid that I created with a 51 degree slope, same as the Great Pyramid (GP). In front of it I have a 2D representation of four equal sized triangles.

(perspective view)

Here is the same setup, but viewing it directly from the side (orthographic view):

(ortho view)

Now here are the same 2D triangles projected on to the pyramid. Note: you cannot simply rotate the stack of triangles using the bottom as a pivot point and get the same results, they must be projected. If this is what you were implying was the correct configuration I must disagree, because in that setup the pyramid face is no longer equally divided in to four triangles, and creating a pyramid out of them would not work.

(perspective view)

Looking again through the orthographic view, we see that it is identical.


Here is the result of rotating the triangles rather than projecting them, you can see where the problem arises. (It was my hope initially that this would resolve the discrepancy between Ra's description and what we observe... alas, no).


Is this what you had intended to convey, or did I misread?

Love and Light,
L.

[Peregrinus]

one should remember that all one needs is something to constitute an inverted cone (pyramid etc) shape. it doesn't matter if it is made of 4 sticks put together, it doesn't matter if it is a full fledged prism. all you need is something to constitute an inverted object for time/space purposes.

thus, it is not necessary for the pyramid to continue with its upper structure as it is into the ground. if, its 4 sides are continuing towards the ground in any fashion, (even if you put stones in sequence, without any structure) pyramid will still function. It may also be possible that a different medium may also be usable.

Hi Unity,

I also came to this conclusion myself, that the stones would only need be continued extending underground from the corners, in order for the pyramid chambers to function correctly.

Hi Lav,

Could you do the same sort of thing, but make the pyramid transparent, and then have it built out of triangles? As such it should allow viewing of what Ra called a diamond shape, and then shade this diamond shape. Perhaps this would give us a better view. Using a distorted side view angle is not, in my thoughts, required.

[Questioner]

Lavazza, I like your graphics. This kind of conversation goes a lot better with pictures. In person I'm sure we would have a whiteboard completely filled with diagrams by this point in the conversation. If you could also include the "official" and "what Ra said" versions of the chambers in your 3d rendering, that would really help too.

[Lavazza]

Hi Lav,

Could you do the same sort of thing, but make the pyramid transparent, and then have it built out of triangles? As such it should allow viewing of what Ra called a diamond shape, and then shade this diamond shape. Perhaps this would give us a better view. Using a distorted side view angle is not, in my thoughts, required.

Sure thing... I'll quote Ra above each image, and add my comments below.

"If you will picture with me the side of the so-called pyramid shape and mentally imagine this triangle cut into four equal triangles,"

So far so good. Each side of the pyramid is divided in to proportionally equal triangles numbering 4. We could fudge the size of each triangle to accommodate the locations of the King and Queen chambers, but Ra specifically said they were "equal".

"...you will find the intersection of the triangle, which is at the first level on each of the four sides,"

I hope I am not incorrect in my interpretation, but the "intersection of the triangle" must be the corner verticies of each topmost triangle on each side. I'm used to thinking of the word 'intersection' as meaning the meeting of two different edges, however I think it's also fair synonym for what we call a vertex in CG land. Any point where a non-gradual or discreet angle change occurs.

"...forms a diamond in a plane which is horizontal."

Indeed, if you "connect the dots" of each of the points Ra calls attention to, you can see that a diamond shape is then created on the horizontal or X&Z axis'. Note that a 2D diamond shape is nothing more than a rectangle rotated on to it's point.

"...The middle of this plane is the appropriate place for the intersection of the energies streaming from the infinite dimensions and the mind/body/spirit complexes of various interwoven energy fields. Thus it was designed that the one to be initiated would, by mind, be able to perceive and then channel this, shall we say, gateway to intelligent infinity. This, then, was the second point of designing this specific shape."

The red dot in my image represents the middle of the diamond shape, where Ra says is the appropriate place for the energies to meet. They do not indicate in this passage that the initiate must be at this location, although I believe it is spoken so in another one.

Lavazza, I like your graphics. This kind of conversation goes a lot better with pictures. In person I'm sure we would have a whiteboard completely filled with diagrams by this point in the conversation. If you could also include the "official" and "what Ra said" versions of the chambers in your 3d rendering, that would really help too.

Questioner- It's a fun idea to think about- maybe later on I will create a "Ra's version" and "the real version" of the GP with computer graphics and see where they line up / differ. So far in this thread we've established that they differ more than they agree, although I still continue to wonder if either we have not understood Ra properly or if Ra did not communicate properly. I suppose neither would surprise me... In fact, it simply must be one or the other unless there is something critical we've missed. Anyway- maybe I'll start a new thread later on (called Lavazza's CG pyramid project... perhaps... hehe) and ask for the aid of other forum members in collecting and assembling all of Ra's pyramid comments. That would help me greatly in such a work.

[βαθμιαίος]

I'm stumped. I wonder if Carla or Jim know how Don came up with 1/6, which does look to be the height of the Queen's Chamber in Peregrinus's graphic.

[Peregrinus]

Sure thing... I'll quote Ra above each image, and add my comments below.

So how on illusory Earth did Don come up with a "1/6th of the way up the side" comment? You see and understand Ra's words exactly the same way as I do. 1/6th of the way is where the Queen's chamber is represented in diagrams, again leading me to believe the pyramid (or a sub structure of stone) extends from the base corners to give it the correct length.

[Lavazza]

Just stumbled across this interchange. I guess the Queen's Chamber is portrayed accurately in the published literature and the pyramid does not continue underground after all. However, I don't see how Don came up with one-sixth of the height. Anyone?

...You stated, “You will find the intersection of the triangle which is at the first level on each of the four sides forms a diamond in a plane which is horizontal.” Can you tell me what you meant by the word, intersection?

Ra: I am Ra. Your mathematics and arithmetic have a paucity of configurative descriptions which we might use. Without intending to be obscure, we may note that the purpose of the shapes is to work with time/space portions of the mind/body/spirit complex. Therefore, the intersection is both space/time and time/space oriented and thus is expressed in three dimensional geometry by two intersections which, when projected in both time/space and space/time, form one point.

55.10 Questioner: I have calculated this point to be one-sixth of the height of the triangle that forms the side of the pyramid. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. Your calculations are substantially correct and we are pleased at your perspicacity.

Hey β,

I didn't realize the full gravity of the quote you gave until later on today. Let me say... "whew". I am glad for my own internal processing that the correct placement of the initiation chamber is mentioned in the material Ra gave, however obscure. I was becoming very confused as to why Ra would go to such length to describe an area of the pyramid that is more or less solid stone in space/time.

As to how Don came to the 1/6th calculation, I couldn't say based on the dialog quoted. However this would be a very interesting point to listen to again on the audio tapes. (am I right in remembering you as the one who did the re-listening project? Would you still have copies of the channelings?). If there was at least some pause between Ra's response and Don's comment about 1/6th, then maybe he had time to work it out 'on the spot'. If there is no pause, we could deduce that he had calculated it in advance. Reading Ra's comment again though, there's really nothing there that Don could work with mathematically. Ra says that the second plane is in time/space, which we obviously are not privy to. My best guess is that Don looked at a diagram of the GP just as we did, took some measurements (bottom to top proportions, et cetera) and asked Ra about it. In fact, reading it over (...again) it seems that Don's lead in query for clarification on the intersecting plane was probably headed in the direction of "...but the chamber isn't at that location...". That Don says he 'calculates' the 1/6th figure may not be the most accurate choice of words. Of course these are my thoughts, who knows if I'm close to the mark or not.

I sure wish Don was still around to comment in these threads. What a resource that would be! Then again, everyone loves a good puzzle, myself included.

[Questioner]

maybe I'll start a new thread later on (called Lavazza's CG pyramid project... perhaps... hehe) and ask for the aid of other forum members in collecting and assembling all of Ra's pyramid comments. That would help me greatly in such a work.

If it's alright with Peregrinus, I think this thread he started is already a great place to collect the data and graphics.

---

...again leading me to believe the pyramid (or a sub structure of stone) extends from the base corners to give it the correct length.

Can someone calculate, and then illustrate, how deep this would make the pyramid extend below ground level?

I thought I read somewhere that the "subterranean pit" and connecting tunnel was carved into local bedrock. How would this relate to the idea that there are additional layers of stonework below the surface? Would the implication be that only the outer edges of the pyramid were continued with layers of stonework "footings" but not across the whole width? Architecturally, let alone metaphysically, wouldn't that open another can of worms?

---

I sure wish Don was still around to comment in these threads. What a resource that would be! Then again, everyone loves a good puzzle, myself included.

And Don, as far as I can tell, which is why he got into the explorations in the first place!

I agree that it seems it would have been wonderful for all of us, including him, if he could have made it in human life to join us in online discussions.

---

(image)

That's a very helpful graphic.

[3D Sunset]

I sure wish Don was still around to comment in these threads. What a resource that would be! Then again, everyone loves a good puzzle, myself included.

Hi Lavazza,

For what it's worth, as I was looking over your projection/rotation figures, it occurred to be that if you start with your 2D representation of the 4 triangles, then anchor that at the top, rather than the bottom of the pyramid, then the resulting diamond formed where the bottom of the 2D representation intersects the four faces, is at about the right height for the Queen's chamber.

I don't have the tools handy to draw it, but looking at the difference between where the tip of your 2D rotation comes to rest on the side of the pyramid is about 1/6th the way from the actual top of the pyramid.

This comes close to meeting Ra's description if you then interpret "intersection of the triangle which is at the first level" means the bottom level of the 4 triangle representation (granted, this would more correctly be called the "intersection of the triangles"). I'm not sure if this will take us anywhere, but rereading the discussion about "projections" in s/t and t/s just brought me back to your earlier diagram.

Am I describing my idea clearly enough for you to try it?

3D Sunset

[Lavazza]

For what it's worth, as I was looking over your projection/rotation figures, it occurred to be that if you start with your 2D representation of the 4 triangles, then anchor that at the top, rather than the bottom of the pyramid, then the resulting diamond formed where the bottom of the 2D representation intersects the four faces, is at about the right height for the Queen's chamber.
...
Am I describing my idea clearly enough for you to try it?

Hey 3D, I believe I interpreted you correctly, but check the image below to make sure...



The problem as I see it here is that the rotated set of triangles does not equally cover the side of the pyramid, which was a requirement that Ra stipulated in their calculation. Secondarily to this, the bottom of the triangle set also does not reach far enough down the side to meet the Queen's chamber height of 1/6th the total pyramid height (shown here in red), although it is approximate. So I think this also doesn't work, although it's a good idea.

On the flip side to this, I have had the opportunity to make various multi-colored pyramids and triangles, which is always cool.

Lavazza

[3D Sunset]

The problem as I see it here is that the rotated set of triangles does not equally cover the side of the pyramid, which was a requirement that Ra stipulated in their calculation. Secondarily to this, the bottom of the triangle set also does not reach far enough down the side to meet the Queen's chamber height of 1/6th the total pyramid height (shown here in red), although it is approximate. So I think this also doesn't work, although it's a good idea.

On the flip side to this, I have had the opportunity to make various multi-colored pyramids and triangles, which is always cool.

Lavazza

Close, what I had in mind was actually attaching its tip to the apex of the pyramid. Thus, it would hang down perpendicular to the ground from the pyramid's center. This should have its sides touch two of the outer walls and its vertex should be at about the right height (I think).

3D Sunset

[Lavazza]

Close, what I had in mind was actually attaching its tip to the apex of the pyramid. Thus, it would hang down perpendicular to the ground from the pyramid's center. This should have its sides touch two of the outer walls and its vertex should be at about the right height (I think).

Ok, I think I understand now...



Is this what you were aiming for?

if so, this is actually quite similar to the original idea of "projecting" the triangles on to the pyramid from a orthographic direction, and the same problem arises. It's a bit confusing to try these things out without us being physically together looking at the 3D pyramid on my screen, the back and forth nature of this dialog is not optimal. So the opportunity for distortion is large But the reason the stack of triangles appears to be shorter in the prior images is because they are rotated, bringing them slightly more in to a horizontal configuration (i.e. reducing it's global height in the Y axis). If they hang directly perpendicular from the apex, the triangles must then reach the "bottom" of the pyramid.



Lavazza

[3D Sunset]

Is this what you were aiming for?

if so, this is actually quite similar to the original idea of "projecting" the triangles on to the pyramid from a orthographic direction, and the same problem arises. It's a bit confusing to try these things out without us being physically together looking at the 3D pyramid on my screen, the back and forth nature of this dialog is not optimal. So the opportunity for distortion is large But the reason the stack of triangles appears to be shorter in the prior images is because they are rotated, bringing them slightly more in to a horizontal configuration (i.e. reducing it's global height in the Y axis). If they hang directly perpendicular from the apex, the triangles must then reach the "bottom" of the pyramid.



Lavazza

It was, and you're right of course, it's wrong. It occurred to me after my post that I'd fallen into the other trap. Ah well, it remains a mystery for now.

Thanks for the effort!

3D Sunset

[Deekun]

As for the exact location please re-read and think in terms of multiple dimensions not 2D side view as you are looking at it. You are skipping one very precise word that will clue you in as to how to draw it precisely. Just imagine you are a home builder and the home owner is telling you step by step how they want the home to be built... soon enough you will reach the conclusion.

Hello Deekun

I have put some thought in to this. Since I work with computer graphics it was easy for me to quickly visualize what you are describing here. It is true that we are working from 2D angles, however as I did some quick experiments, the result came out the same. See below...

Here we see a green pyramid that I created with a 51 degree slope, same as the Great Pyramid (GP). In front of it I have a 2D representation of four equal sized triangles.

(perspective view)

Here is the same setup, but viewing it directly from the side (orthographic view):

(ortho view)

Now here are the same 2D triangles projected on to the pyramid. Note: you cannot simply rotate the stack of triangles using the bottom as a pivot point and get the same results, they must be projected. If this is what you were implying was the correct configuration I must disagree, because in that setup the pyramid face is no longer equally divided in to four triangles, and creating a pyramid out of them would not work.

(perspective view)

Looking again through the orthographic view, we see that it is identical.


Here is the result of rotating the triangles rather than projecting them, you can see where the problem arises. (It was my hope initially that this would resolve the discrepancy between Ra's description and what we observe... alas, no).


Is this what you had intended to convey, or did I misread?

Love and Light,
L.

I am glad you got that, now include what you have done to all sides of the pyramid. Rotate the view to see from heaven to earth.

[Lavazza]

I am glad you got that, now include what you have done to all sides of the pyramid. Rotate the view to see from heaven to earth.

Hey Deekun,

I was unsure if you meant the pyramid with the projected triangles or the rotated triangles upon the pyramid side, so I included both. The projected triangles are on the right, and the incorrectly placed rotated triangles are on the left. Both make interesting designs as viewed from above, although I'm uncertain how this brings us closer to an understanding of the 1/6th remark or Queen's chamber location. Although the diamond shape spoken of by Ra is visible on the right side illustration here- it is the rectangle in the middle (also the halfway point vertically on the pyramid). Interestingly also- it is basically a diamond within a diamond within a diamond .

[Deekun]

Here is my understanding of the location. I know it is larger than 1/6th which always threw me off until I realized that the area was inside and of course had to enclose the entire area. I used your drawing because it was closest thing I could work with where I am right now.
If you see where I have that small diamond and combine it with the drawing with the blue triangle in the center and I think you will get an awesome model.
I was doing all my drawings with pencil and paper going over them to make sure I was intercepting correctly and that is as close as I can explain without having a 3D program.

---

Here it is using the blue triangles

[AnthroHeart]

I'm finding that as one progresses, the power of thought can be alone enough to bring about these initiation energies. However, before this I was working with sacred geometry and patterns such as inter-connected Star of David to intensify the energy. Once blockages are removed, the thought can tap into higher energies, whether it be our sun Sol, the core of Sol, the core of sirius, or even the great central sun of our galaxy.

I tap into these energies and ride the fence between pulling higher dimensional energies, and being able to function in this world. There is another thread about the use of Entheogens for energy work. So lately, at this point in time, I'm not so focused on constructing architecture based on certain geometry. That's too much work for my mind when it's hard to even hold a thought.

Though out of curiosity it would be nice to see how others would apply the use of the pyramid and similar structures to enhance their use of energies. This is just me, but there seems to be more love in focusing in on Sirius than with a pointed pyramid structure that seems rather mechanical. Or with the preparation and taking of the spirit of certain entheogens. It seems very much more alive.

Ra did mention the time of the pyramids is past. I for one believe it.

[Namaste]

Can someone calculate, and then illustrate, how deep this would make the pyramid extend below ground level?

If I understand your question correctly brother, it's already been done and shown in this thread...



Using the Queen's chamber in accordance to Ra's specifications. Need to look deeper into the 1/6th issue, unless there is crucial information missing, it has to be in there somewhere...