Would You? A Contemplation on Life,

[VanAlioSaldo]

Here's a contemplation/question on/of Life.

Imagine a scenario with me please.  We are all human, we are all conscious.  I ask now that you contemplate the perspective of a Human.  The logic of this human is or is not your own.  And everything about this Human's perspective is both plausible and understandable.

This Human discovered the reasons for Life.  This Human discovered why life is hard.  This Human discovered it was more than Human.  This Human has had a hard life and has finally looked at The Big Picture and decided that it was not all okay.  This Human is tired of being hurt.  This Human has asked and asked and asked, got the answers then was disappointed to discover the suffering was all part of the big picture.  This Human feels as if the only purpose for being born was the suffering.

This Human decides to ask.  Did I Consent to this?  There is no yes or no.  There is no certainty or uncertainty.  The Human realizes it got no say basically.  Then asks.  If given the choice to know what he was going into, would he, The Human, consent to this life he has lived up to this point?  Would he be okay with being the one who takes the brunt of another's anger?  Would he consent to being driven to the point of suicide several times across his life and beaten upon by both others and his self?

If you as a Human had to look at the ways of existence, then looked at Earth and were given the choice to be born to aid 'your-soul-self' at the price of suffering often.  Would you still do it?

 Another way of looking at it is this.  Should Humanity, discover that incarnation were reality, they discover how Souls operate in regards to Life.  They understand full well the love aspect of this direction, that no soul intends harm.  But Souls do not remember as Humans.  And that Humans do intend harm.  What happens when Humanity looks at the big picture, and instead of accepting it, rejects it?

Picture this with me.  A man discovers the suffering in his life was all a tool to grow and learn for his soul.  Yet he wonders what happens to his human aspect, his Mind and Body.  Being so attached, Being Human, when we die, do we as Human also die?  I have found few contents regarding this in the Law of One.  As a Yellow Ray body, I perceive that it implies this Human body is not that different from say an Indigo Body in terms of the consciousness using it.  Yet does my Orange Ray body literally experience death as an absence of Consciousness and the dissipation of its Mind?  Does the Being that Is my Human Body (as it is a being in and of itself), given a choice, consent to being used?

If that Body, as a whole of Humanity, looked inwards and discovered the spiritual aspects, and then realized it implies we have suffered not by our own hands, but by the hands that move our own hands...If the Human knew, if the Human was given permission, a choice.  Would it agree to my Soul?  Would it be okay with being born and created?  Would it consent...  To being used as an intermediary, to be abused and destroyed, just so an aspect that joined it could learn?  If humanity could look upon itself and realize what it was.  Would it look at how it is utilized by a higher dimension.  Would it consent?

 This is a question I have wondered, this question actually drove me near suicide at one point because it made me believe another aspect of being as...Unconsensual.  It made me feel used and taken advantage of by myself, like as if my Soul was just using me.  So I ask this question with a single prerequisite in mind.  Don't take it as far as I did in trying to understand...  Please do no harm to yourself either mentally, emotionally, physically, energetically, or spiritually.  This is a contemplation that I feel I'm very close to resolving with a bit more understanding...Especially regarding what happens to the Self-Aware Physically Living Orange Ray aspect of being that is My Body and Mind, in death.  Which Ra has said there is a considerable loss of Mind Complex in Death.  If the Mind is Self-Aware, does this imply something actually does experience a physical death of dissipating as it's consciousness 'leaves' it?  I would cite some Journey of Souls material but I honestly don't know any of it by heart as well as I do with some of the Ra Material.  I think it does explain to some degree the concept of the Orange Ray Body as that 'Human Living Being' that forms in the womb, which is joined with by the Soul, but I don't remember if it went into what happens to it upon death.  I know Ra remarks that Orange Ray Bodies can live without a Consciousness/Soul but I think they call it unusual, or say that the body rarely chooses to live.  Several cases of severe brain damage leaving a person seemingly conscious-less seem to infer that the body choosing to live is actually unusual, but possible, for whatever reason.

It makes me ponder Human Life in general in terms of if any aspect of Humanity actually experiences that cliche movie ending fade out of consciousness into a sleep-like-abyss known as 'death', Human Death by their definition.  (Which really makes me think of Akumetsu randomly...)

Any one wish to join me in another contemplation-creation?  

[Reaper]

Suffering can be transmuted into ecstasy with the right alchemy. Every emotional state of being is just a slightly different manifestation of the same well of pure experience, and those states can switch between each other at the drop of a hat.

In my personal life this alchemy has been studied by taking on physical masochism and literally learning to find joy in pain, while at the same time learning to respect my own nature enough to not seek out unnecessary suffering.

In my childhood I was gifted with a very painful physical condition that forced me to face the reality of suffering head on at a very early age, and while the effects of being tortured by my own body for years were traumatizing, the experience also shaped me in ways I wouldn't have imagined. It gave me immeasurable physical and mental fortitude that continuously come in handy in the work I do now. I can't say it's an experience I wanted, but I don't resent it, and looking back, I wouldn't be the same without it. I have little doubt that I gave my hearty, happy consent to the condition prior to incarnating and probably wouldn't erase the experience if given the option, even from this limited, physical perspective. I genuinely like the person I have become due to the things I have suffered.

I can understand the perspective you offer. Physical life can be downright painful and awful and scary no matter how enlightened you may be, and I don't find the notion of feeling somewhat forced or cheated at all strange. I've spent many nights raving at the heavens for being so despicably unfair. It is incredibly difficult to suffer, or watch those you love suffer, and be able to say "please, sir, may I have another?" It is hard to stomach the notion of some invisible, impersonal hand doling out pain without feeling a sense of injustice. I, personally, however, do not subscribe to that perspective because it would create further suffering in my life (in the form of hopelessness), and, as I said before, my prerogative is to endure gracefully, while sparing myself what I do not have to endure. I understand that I do not understand everything that went into the creation of this life, that there are unseen lessons I may never realize I've learned until this life is over, and I choose to have faith that my Self knows what it is doing, has my best interest at heart, and that that which I suffer is not only worth it, but beautiful in its own way. At the very least it is comfort in the storm.

[Aion]

I'm not the right person to ask this question, I have a penchant for insanity. Something tells me my being here was intentional on all accounts, the confusion has only arisen after the fact.

[VanAlioSaldo]

I'm not the right person to ask this question, I have a penchant for insanity. Something tells me my being here was intentional on all accounts, the confusion has only arisen after the fact.

If you can't help but ponder it from a place that makes it hard to accept, I think of it as my higher self is suffering too.  My soul self knows the pain and frustration.

If there is a part that goes away, I dont think it perceives death, just a change in being.

As Yera said, looking at this certain ways can create the sense of hopelessness.  The faith that Love is the Law and Way of things might help.

Tan.  I'm a guy of paradox, insanity in impossibility might as well be me.  No right or wrong and if I'm not in a good mood its not fun, resolving opposites can be hard when theyre two parts of your self.  I try to remember All is One.

[Minyatur]

As far as I am aware other than being myself, I am also exploring being each Mind, each Body and each Spirit of each M/B/S complexes that we call humans on this sphere just as much as being each of their egos.

We're just infinity's insane dream of humanity.

[VanAlioSaldo]

I think I've come to an unconscious answer on this matter.

The differentiation is maybe an illusion.  Between all 7 layers of integrated manifested being.  Ra makes a remark about each Ray holding in it a potential.  To be on 3rd density means I need to have a Red Ray, Orange Ray, and Yellow Ray body not just in potential, but activated and occurring.

If the Red Ray is the makeup of my physical being, and the Orange Ray the structure of that makeup, and the Yellow Ray the Awareness of Self, then the Orange Ray in experiencing death will not see it as a loss of anything, but only as a change in experience.  While Yellow Ray calls forth the aspect of self-awareness and relationship with all other structures (social structure, family structure, work structure, self structure).

If anything it seems, apparently, from my looking, that Yellow Ray Beings are the one's who experience a type of 'loss' of being in a sense that they've lost their chance and want to go back but can't, so stick around disembodied like as a 'ghost'.  Orange Ray seems to simply experience death as a transition, possibly as does all things that can 'die'.  Yellow Ray seems to allow the prospect of a disembodied or separated portion of the being occurring in death due to personal reasons.

So.  I guess that answers my question, the Yellow Ray being can disconnect from the whole enough to cause issues in death, but overall there does not seem a placement where the loss of existence is experienced, Mind or otherwise.

It would seem the major loss of Mind complex is inferred to going alongside the loss of the physical brain in causing the habitual chatter-clutter of Mind complex occurrence.  This is in no way actually said, just a contemplation on how on my part.

[Minyatur]

I think I've come to an unconscious answer on this matter.

The differentiation is maybe an illusion.  Between all 7 layers of integrated manifested being.  Ra makes a remark about each Ray holding in it a potential.  To be on 3rd density means I need to have a Red Ray, Orange Ray, and Yellow Ray body not just in potential, but activated and occurring.

If the Red Ray is the makeup of my physical being, and the Orange Ray the structure of that makeup, and the Yellow Ray the Awareness of Self, then the Orange Ray in experiencing death will not see it as a loss of anything, but only as a change in experience.  While Yellow Ray calls forth the aspect of self-awareness and relationship with all other structures (social structure, family structure, work structure, self structure).

If anything it seems, apparently, from my looking, that Yellow Ray Beings are the one's who experience a type of 'loss' of being in a sense that they've lost their chance and want to go back but can't, so stick around disembodied like as a 'ghost'.  Orange Ray seems to simply experience death as a transition, possibly as does all things that can 'die'.  Yellow Ray seems to allow the prospect of a disembodied or separated portion of the being occurring in death due to personal reasons.

So.  I guess that answers my question, the Yellow Ray being can disconnect from the whole enough to cause issues in death, but overall there does not seem a placement where the loss of existence is experienced, Mind or otherwise.

It would seem the major loss of Mind complex is inferred to going alongside the loss of the physical brain in causing the habitual chatter-clutter of Mind complex occurrence.  This is in no way actually said, just a contemplation on how on my part.

The mind is the ego, any regrets you'd have right before dying are the loss of your mind.

I do not view the 7 rays as you do. All seven rays in my view are those of the complex as a whole.

The body to me is a 1D entity, it is a very complex object yet in itself has no awareness of even the mind's thoughts. The loss of it is just like any object being destroyed and is part of 1D experiences of birth and death.

The mind is more perplexing, I view it as the 3D ego that is created. But I am not sure if in itself it exist as a 1D electromagnetic entity or as something more evolved. The mind can be viewed as simply an interface for the soul which is unaware of the thoughts it processes and as such would fit in 1D.

Then there's the soul or rather your higher-self's soul as the body and the mind also are souls in themselves (there isn't anything that isn't a soul). That soul can be native 3D or come from upper densities. And just like the mind's soul and body's soul, it experiences no death of itself. Death is only from within the illusion of losing a temporary state of beingness.

The soul which we usually refer as ourselves, is only the big brother of the complex.

[AnthroHeart]

TL;DR What exactly are you asking?

[Minyatur]

TL;DR What exactly are you asking?

He asks if you would agree to be here and experience suffering if it was part of your needed experiences?

The answer to that is that we all are here apparently while there's a whole infinity outside this sphere. I guess a few hundred billion of years of pure light and love can get boring and seem to not get or go anywhere.

[AnthroHeart]

I must have agreed to experience suffering, as I am here now. I chose to be here.
But when I am suffering, I don't prefer to suffer.

[Minyatur]

I must have agreed to experience suffering, as I am here now. I chose to be here.
But when I am suffering, I don't prefer to suffer.

The first distortion states that the Creator will know Itself. Without being through experiences that are displeasing to the self how would the Creator know Itself? 

[AnthroHeart]

I rarely suffer now.

[Minyatur]

I rarely suffer now.

Suffering is one kind of experience.

[VanAlioSaldo]

That sounds like me.  When I am alone, I don't prefer to be alone, until I'm not alone if the person makes me still feel alone.

TL;DR What exactly are you asking?

He asks if you would agree to be here and experience suffering if it was part of your needed experiences?

The answer to that is that we all are here apparently while there's a whole infinity outside this sphere. I guess a few hundred billion of years of pure light and love can get boring and seem to not get or go anywhere.

I'm asking that if you discovered all of this information on reincarnation, but without the Love aspect, and never realized yourself as more than just a human being, would you probably still be okay with, and consent to all of the suffering you've experienced in this life you've incarnated into?

You're otherwise correct, Gemini, in that we have all chosen to be here, or else we wouldn't be.

I think I've come to an unconscious answer on this matter.

The differentiation is maybe an illusion.  Between all 7 layers of integrated manifested being.  Ra makes a remark about each Ray holding in it a potential.  To be on 3rd density means I need to have a Red Ray, Orange Ray, and Yellow Ray body not just in potential, but activated and occurring.

If the Red Ray is the makeup of my physical being, and the Orange Ray the structure of that makeup, and the Yellow Ray the Awareness of Self, then the Orange Ray in experiencing death will not see it as a loss of anything, but only as a change in experience.  While Yellow Ray calls forth the aspect of self-awareness and relationship with all other structures (social structure, family structure, work structure, self structure).

If anything it seems, apparently, from my looking, that Yellow Ray Beings are the one's who experience a type of 'loss' of being in a sense that they've lost their chance and want to go back but can't, so stick around disembodied like as a 'ghost'.  Orange Ray seems to simply experience death as a transition, possibly as does all things that can 'die'.  Yellow Ray seems to allow the prospect of a disembodied or separated portion of the being occurring in death due to personal reasons.

So.  I guess that answers my question, the Yellow Ray being can disconnect from the whole enough to cause issues in death, but overall there does not seem a placement where the loss of existence is experienced, Mind or otherwise.

It would seem the major loss of Mind complex is inferred to going alongside the loss of the physical brain in causing the habitual chatter-clutter of Mind complex occurrence.  This is in no way actually said, just a contemplation on how on my part.

The mind is the ego, any regrets you'd have right before dying are the loss of your mind.

I do not view the 7 rays as you do. All seven rays in my view are those of the complex as a whole.

The body to me is a 1D entity, it is a very complex object yet in itself has no awareness of even the mind's thoughts. The loss of it is just like any object being destroyed and is part of 1D experiences of birth and death.

The mind is more perplexing, I view it as the 3D ego that is created. But I am not sure if in itself it exist as a 1D electromagnetic entity or as something more evolved. The mind can be viewed as simply an interface for the soul which is unaware of the thoughts it processes and as such would fit in 1D.

Then there's the soul or rather your higher-self's soul as the body and the mind also are souls in themselves (there isn't anything that isn't a soul). That soul can be native 3D or come from upper densities. And just like the mind's soul and body's soul, it experiences no death of itself. Death is only from within the illusion of losing a temporary state of beingness.

The soul which we usually refer as ourselves, is only the big brother of the complex.

I think we do view the Rays similarly, though I do seem to struggle in applying them in a Wholesome manner.  I see them each as an aspect of being encompassing wholly the previous being, so Red Ray would be a Core, with Orange Ray also comprising the Core but extending out past the Red Ray and into Yellow Ray, which itself comprises Orange Ray, and the Core, but extends beyond the Orange Ray and into Green Ray.  Which also comprises the Core but extends beyond Yellow Ray and into Blue Ray, which itself comprises Green Ray all the way to the Core (so from Green to Red at this point), and then outwards into Indigo Ray which leads into Violet Ray which itself comprises Indigo, and all the others, right down to the Core.

So basically all are connected and belong together, inseparable.  I just have a hard time linking them all together logically for some reason...  I'll need to contemplate on that.

But my explanation has to do with Manifested Complex's.  In 1D there is a mind/body complex, in 2D a mind/body/spirit complex begins to form, in 3D, that m/b/s complex begins to make it's choice and begins polarizing.  Up to that point in regards to Density Being, up to 4D can physically live and exist on Earth right now.  So a Red Ray being, Water, Fire, Air, Earth, and an Orange Ray Being, Animals, Human Body, and an Yellow Ray Being, (arguably) Dolphins, or Humans.  I think it could be analogous to 1D Mind, 2D Body, 3D Spirit, 4D Complex, 5D Totality, 6D Unity 7D Allness, possibly...  But in the context that I spoke of, I was referring it to a way Ra spoke of potentiated being of Earth in Yellow Ray once it becomes a full 4D Green Ray planet, it will be activated in Green Ray, and potentiated in Yellow Ray making Yellow Ray inhabitable to lifeforms for a while, while it heals.

I applied the same concept only in that when a consciousness who is incarnating as a Yellow Ray Being experiences a powerful and traumatic death, that they might latch onto the current incarnation at the loss of the Yellow Ray Experiences, making that version of death a type of separation of a portion of being from the Wholeness of the Being, but only temporarily until some time has passed or some aid has helped the Yellow Ray aspect of that Being move on and return.  I think there is a reference to ghost's as being Yellow Ray in aspect, and...I think...Outer Personality Shells?

Hey, if I have my concepts for the Rays confused, please tell me.

[Minyatur]

That sounds like me.  When I am alone, I don't prefer to be alone, until I'm not alone if the person makes me still feel alone.

TL;DR What exactly are you asking?

He asks if you would agree to be here and experience suffering if it was part of your needed experiences?

The answer to that is that we all are here apparently while there's a whole infinity outside this sphere. I guess a few hundred billion of years of pure light and love can get boring and seem to not get or go anywhere.

I'm asking that if you discovered all of this information on reincarnation, but without the Love aspect, and never realized yourself as more than just a human being, would you probably still be okay with, and consent to all of the suffering you've experienced in this life you've incarnated into?

I did not experience much suffering in this life. There is only one aspect of my life that did bring me suffering and I accepted it because if it did not cause me suffering then that would've made me much more sad.

We're all working on different things. My past prior to this incarnation or even incarnating on this sphere altogether feels already full enough of sorrow.

[Minyatur]

About the Rays, I picture them simply as spectrums of the energy field of the complex. A non-green ray activated entity simply does not have green-ray vibrations in his energy field.

I do not put much emphasis on the 7 Rays so maybe I shouldn't speak of them.

You said "7D Allness", is that Allness of this Octave or Allness of the Whole? I do think we never truly reach Allness of the Whole, we simply become a bigger part or awareness of it as we grow into infinity.

[AnthroHeart]

About the Rays, I picture them simply as spectrums of the energy field of the complex. A non-green ray activated entity simply does not have green-ray vibrations in his energy field.

I do not put much emphasis on the 7 Rays so maybe I shouldn't speak of them.

There is also chi, which exists around the stomach area. That is different from the chakras.
It is an energy that is fluid.

[VanAlioSaldo]

About the Rays, I picture them simply as spectrums of the energy field of the complex. A non-green ray activated entity simply does not have green-ray vibrations in his energy field.

I do not put much emphasis on the 7 Rays so maybe I shouldn't speak of them.

You said "7D Allness", is that Allness of this Octave or Allness of the Whole? I do think we never truly reach Allness of the Whole, we simply become a bigger part or awareness of it as we grow into infinity.

I suppose it's what Ra has to look forward to. Becoming All.

I look at it as Violet Ray beingness encompasses all that we are, so probably All of this Octave, and maybe others and more.

It's been said often to view the Chakra system equally, with neither more important than another. Each Chakra has a body, and each Chakra has its own Chakras. I'm a bit too tired and impaired to honestly recite them though. . .At least not confident.

Hands of Light by Barbara Ann Brennan provides a lot of interesting illustrations that provide a decent idea of the Complex in the manner I described, with each blending into a whole, but higher rays encompassing and overlapping lower rays.

[isis]

For a desired end result, I think I would suffer thru anything & everything.

[AnthroHeart]

For a desired end result, I think I would suffer thru anything & everything.

Since when did the higher self become so demanding?

[VanAlioSaldo]

For a desired end result, I think I would suffer thru anything & everything.

Since when did the higher self become so demanding?

It does have Higher purposes its trying to fulfill through us

[AnthroHeart]

I am willing to suffer how I already have for a grander end.
Though I have anxiety and may have to give up a lucrative job for permanent disability.

[VanAlioSaldo]

Hey, I'd say this as with anyone, weigh your desires with your decisions.

I've found I have anxiety too now but I'm working through it. I have always in my life had an issue of Courage. Courage, Wisdom, and Power are a real triad you could attempt to contemplate or meditate upon. I find that I am somewhat disproportionately high in Wisdom compared to Courage, with Power being about halfway between the two fluctuating.

I do attribute my anxiety to my believing I am powerless in areas, causing me to feel like I have nothing to be courageous upon. There was a really great quote about how courage isn't about power but something akin to, even the courageous feel the same fear you do.

Maybe we both should try to attempt to be more brave and confident in ourselves.

[Minyatur]

Is anxiety a positive wanderer thing? It seems everywhere.

[VanAlioSaldo]

I think it's a trauma thing, on a traumatizing world. Not so much a Wanderer thing as it is a Human thing.

[Minyatur]

I think it's a trauma thing, on a traumatizing world.  Not so much a Wanderer thing as it is a Human thing.

There's a lot of people with it, but surely not the larger % of society. It seems more misunderstood than experienced. That's my observation.

[AnthroHeart]

Is anxiety a positive wanderer thing? It seems everywhere.

Catalyst produces anxiety.

[Minyatur]

Is anxiety a positive wanderer thing? It seems everywhere.

Catalyst produces anxiety.

Only certain catalysts do.

[Minyatur]

can I delete a post?

[AnthroHeart]

can I delete a post?

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