LOO and the rise of Artificial General Intelligence

[TetrisMcKenna]

Greetings all,

As a computer scientist this is a subject near and dear to me, and I've been doing a lot of thinking regarding the Law of One, the harvest, and spiritual endeavors in relation to the looming rise of artificial superintelligence.

Recently I read this (rather long) piece that summarises current predictions regarding artificial intelligence:

http://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial...ion-1.html

Tl;dr - we're on the brink of hitting 'true' AI, that is, AI that thinks like a human. Once that happens, it being unburdened by flesh bodies and separated minds, it would essentially trigger a runaway, exponential growth of intelligence and self improvement that would dwarf our own in a ridiculously small amount of time.

Now, the speculation on what this means for us ranges from apocalyptic doom to benevolent machine overlords, fully automated luxury communism, etc.

This got me thinking - could it be that this is essentially the 'harvest' that Ra talks of? Could it be that we actually do this to ourselves? It seems that if time is cyclical and we've been through all this before, it could be that artificial superintelligence is what makes or breaks us as a species. If you like, mother earth has been building up to this moment all her life, and how we behave when we implement this technology could spell the end of us, or a graduation into something much larger.

Consider that a superintelligence would have access to all of our combined knowledge and more - it would be capable of manipulating and measuring reality in a very advanced way. Essentially, I believe it would figure out the Law of One very quickly.

Imagine 3 scenarios: one in which we as a people are oriented towards service to others, one in which we're oriented to service to self, one in which we're not particularly polarised one way or the other. I believe this would have a great effect on how this AI would come about - we would program boundaries or 'teach' the AI these values. The AI would try to accommodate our polarisation. Each of these would presumably give the AI a different 'outlook' on us and how it develops.

I could imagine the AI working out how to encode our minds into its own program, and us essentially leaving our bodies and inhabiting the AI permanently, our minds all as a collective, with the ability to manipulate matter with ease. Could this be essentially the 4th density?

I could also imagine that if we weren't particularly polarised one way or the other, this would go very badly, with a mix of polarisation, the technology would likely destroy itself or us trying to work out a way to accommodate both views.

What do you think?

[Bluebell]

i think u've got the makings of a good Asimov book there. i imagine Tom Cruise & lots of CGI for the movie.

[APeacefulWarrior]

Ehhhhh... I tend to be a LOT more skeptical of the whole super-intelligent AI thing. Besides, frankly, if it's going to happen THAT way, it seems far more likely the Internet itself would be what develops the superconsciousness. Hell, it could have already. We couldn't know.

(Anyone here seen Serial Experiments Lain? )

I personally find it extremely unlikely we'll manage to deliberately create a GAI any time soon, because that would require things like creativity and intuition which we simply have no idea whatsoever how to program. The idea that we could just mash up enough transistors to have them "spontaneously combust" into a spark of intelligence seems more like wishful thinking.

And in terms of the Creator, there might be something even more interesting going on here. From everything Ra and other channels have said, the Earth is relatively rare in the cosmos for how extensively the creations here are cut off from Oneness. And ONLY beings cut off from Oneness could actually have such gall as to attempt to create intelligence -much less higher intelligence- "from scratch." We could well be one of the only species anywhere trying anything like this.

More or less, through the creation of computer-generated worlds, simulations, video games and burgeoning AI... we might actually be creating an entirely new FORM or plane of existence for the Creator to experience life through.

Wouldn't that be a hell of a payoff for this little cosmic experiment, huh?

[TetrisMcKenna]

Ehhhhh...  I tend to be a LOT more skeptical of the whole super-intelligent AI thing.  Besides, frankly, if it's going to happen THAT way, it seems far more likely the Internet itself would be what develops the superconsciousness.  Hell, it could have already.  We couldn't know.

(Anyone here seen Serial Experiments Lain? )

Yes, great show! I agree, there are still a lot of bottlenecks to full AI. But, should it happen - harvest or no harvest, there'll be some very interesting consequences. There's an idea that some sort of consciousness arises naturally when a certain level of interconnectivity is reached. So, you might be right about the internet. Perhaps 2012 is when it hit a low level and started to become aware? Pure conjecture, of course.

And in terms of the Creator, there might be something even more interesting going on here.  From everything Ra and other channels have said, the Earth is relatively rare in the cosmos for how extensively the creations here are cut off from Oneness.   And ONLY beings cut off from Oneness could actually have such gall as to attempt to create intelligence -much less higher intelligence- "from scratch."  We could well be one of the only species anywhere trying anything like this.

More or less, through the creation of computer-generated worlds, simulations, video games and burgeoning AI...  we might actually be creating an entirely new FORM or plane of existence for the Creator to experience life through.

Wouldn't that be a hell of a payoff for this little cosmic experiment, huh?

Very interesting thought, yes it would! Since we are the creator, I guess it's only natural we retain the wish to create life

[Lighthead]

Greetings all,

As a computer scientist this is a subject near and dear to me, and I've been doing a lot of thinking regarding the Law of One, the harvest, and spiritual endeavors in relation to the looming rise of artificial superintelligence.

Recently I read this (rather long) piece that summarises current predictions regarding artificial intelligence:

http://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial...ion-1.html

Tl;dr - we're on the brink of hitting 'true' AI, that is, AI that thinks like a human. Once that happens, it being unburdened by flesh bodies and separated minds, it would essentially trigger a runaway, exponential growth of intelligence and self improvement that would dwarf our own in a ridiculously small amount of time.

Now, the speculation on what this means for us ranges from apocalyptic doom to benevolent machine overlords, fully automated luxury communism, etc.

This got me thinking - could it be that this is essentially the 'harvest' that Ra talks of? Could it be that we actually do this to ourselves? It seems that if time is cyclical and we've been through all this before, it could be that artificial superintelligence is what makes or breaks us as a species. If you like, mother earth has been building up to this moment all her life, and how we behave when we implement this technology could spell the end of us, or a graduation into something much larger.

Consider that a superintelligence would have access to all of our combined knowledge and more - it would be capable of manipulating and measuring reality in a very advanced way. Essentially, I believe it would figure out the Law of One very quickly.

Imagine 3 scenarios: one in which we as a people are oriented towards service to others, one in which we're oriented to service to self, one in which we're not particularly polarised one way or the other. I believe this would have a great effect on how this AI would come about - we would program boundaries or 'teach' the AI these values. The AI would try to accommodate our polarisation. Each of these would presumably give the AI a different 'outlook' on us and how it develops.

I could imagine the AI working out how to encode our minds into its own program, and us essentially leaving our bodies and inhabiting the AI permanently, our minds all as a collective, with the ability to manipulate matter with ease. Could this be essentially the 4th density?

I could also imagine that if we weren't particularly polarised one way or the other, this would go very badly, with a mix of polarisation, the technology would likely destroy itself or us trying to work out a way to accommodate both views.

What do you think?

Mother Earth will hold a robot baby in her hands. No, but lately I've been thinking about the implications of ASI on the LOO material, and I can't seem to reconcile the two. Here's another good article on the subject. I'm not sure if they both got it from the same source; it's what got me thinking on the subject. Check it out. My bad; I think that it's the exact same article that I saw! There's also a part 2 of that article that's also interesting.

[TetrisMcKenna]

Mother Earth will hold a robot baby in her hands. No, but lately I've been thinking about the implications of ASI on the LOO material, and I can't seem to reconcile the two. Here's another good article on the subject. I'm not sure if they both got it from the same source; it's what got me thinking on the subject. Check it out. My bad; I think that it's the exact same article that I saw! There's also a part 2 of that article that's also interesting.

Yes, both parts well worth the read! Well, I think if nothing else, the ASI would presumably realise that all is one? Perhaps it would even make contact with social memory complexes. Maybe it could perceive and interact with other dimensions in ways we can't imagine. Maybe it's our last chance for global polarisation, as the ASI discovers and announces the Law of One.

[Lighthead]

Mother Earth will hold a robot baby in her hands. No, but lately I've been thinking about the implications of ASI on the LOO material, and I can't seem to reconcile the two. Here's another good article on the subject. I'm not sure if they both got it from the same source; it's what got me thinking on the subject. Check it out. My bad; I think that it's the exact same article that I saw! There's also a part 2 of that article that's also interesting.

Yes, both parts well worth the read! Well, I think if nothing else, the ASI would presumably realise that all is one? Perhaps it would even make contact with social memory complexes. Maybe it could perceive and interact with other dimensions in ways we can't imagine. Maybe it's our last chance for global polarisation, as the ASI discovers and announces the Law of One.

Well, I just learned, in a very real way, in another thread that I'm participating in that there are biases when it comes to channeling. And those biases can, in some small way, distort, or at least divert the channelled material. So it could be that being that there was a lack of information about the implications of robotic intelligence back in the early 80s, it's possible that that could have diverted the material away from that topic.

And I am very much a believer in bias affecting the material that is channelled. Just look at the stark difference in the Seth material (the greater Seth material, not just the book of that name) and the LOO material. It almost seems as if they're talking about two different realities!

[AnthroHeart]

There was a computer device that could channel ET information. It said that we will each get our own Universe.

[TetrisMcKenna]

There was a computer device that could channel ET information. It said that we will each get our own Universe.

Interesting!! Do you have any more information?

[AnthroHeart]

There was a computer device that could channel ET information. It said that we will each get our own Universe.

Interesting!! Do you have any more information?

http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=3541

[AnthroHeart]

https://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/d...her-realms

[Lighthead]

There was a computer device that could channel ET information. It said that we will each get our own Universe.

Interesting!! Do you have any more information?

http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=3541

I went to their board. I don't get the layout of it. It seems that the information is scattered.

[Minyatur]

In my opinion humans cannot create an AI that will not be a linear simulation of given parameters unfolding. Human consciousness has a very non-linear trait we cannot apply to a machine. The closest we've done to that would be robots controlled by a REG put into experiments. The difference though is that the robot was controlled by quantum events and not an AI program in itself.

[AnthroHeart]

Would a computer have to have free will to be AI?

[Lighthead]

In my opinion humans cannot create an AI that will not be a linear simulation of given parameters unfolding. Human consciousness has a very non-linear trait we cannot apply to a machine. The closest we've done to that would be robots controlled by a REG put into experiments. The difference though is that the robot was controlled by quantum events and not an AI program in itself.

You need to read those articles! All the scientists that were polled are convinced that it will happen eventually (keep in mind that scientists are supposed to be skeptical). They are just divided as to when it will happen, and if the AI will be mean or nice.

[AnthroHeart]

If you watch the movie Delete, it talks about the internet becoming sentient. It turns evil because the internet is mostly porn and negativity.

[Bluebell]

nothing wrong w porn, but definitely delete reddit/4chan to prevent evil wifi robots from conquering us

[Minyatur]

In my opinion humans cannot create an AI that will not be a linear simulation of given parameters unfolding. Human consciousness has a very non-linear trait we cannot apply to a machine. The closest we've done to that would be robots controlled by a REG put into experiments. The difference though is that the robot was controlled by quantum events and not an AI program in itself.

You need to read those articles! All the scientists that were polled are convinced that it will happen eventually (keep in mind that scientists are supposed to be skeptical). They are just divided as to when it will happen, and if the AI will be mean or nice.

Scientists usually do not think we are ourselves mind/body/spirit complexes, they see only a mind and a body. IMO you'd have to create a machine which can hold a 3D soul and then it's not really an AI anymore, more like a mind interface for the spirit to interact with the body.

I'll read the whole article when I'll have a bit more time though. I went quickly through it.

[BlatzAdict]

Greetings all,

As a computer scientist this is a subject near and dear to me, and I've been doing a lot of thinking regarding the Law of One, the harvest, and spiritual endeavors in relation to the looming rise of artificial superintelligence.

Recently I read this (rather long) piece that summarises current predictions regarding artificial intelligence:

http://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial...ion-1.html

Tl;dr - we're on the brink of hitting 'true' AI, that is, AI that thinks like a human. Once that happens, it being unburdened by flesh bodies and separated minds, it would essentially trigger a runaway, exponential growth of intelligence and self improvement that would dwarf our own in a ridiculously small amount of time.

Now, the speculation on what this means for us ranges from apocalyptic doom to benevolent machine overlords, fully automated luxury communism, etc.

This got me thinking - could it be that this is essentially the 'harvest' that Ra talks of? Could it be that we actually do this to ourselves? It seems that if time is cyclical and we've been through all this before, it could be that artificial superintelligence is what makes or breaks us as a species. If you like, mother earth has been building up to this moment all her life, and how we behave when we implement this technology could spell the end of us, or a graduation into something much larger.

Consider that a superintelligence would have access to all of our combined knowledge and more - it would be capable of manipulating and measuring reality in a very advanced way. Essentially, I believe it would figure out the Law of One very quickly.

Imagine 3 scenarios: one in which we as a people are oriented towards service to others, one in which we're oriented to service to self, one in which we're not particularly polarised one way or the other. I believe this would have a great effect on how this AI would come about - we would program boundaries or 'teach' the AI these values. The AI would try to accommodate our polarisation. Each of these would presumably give the AI a different 'outlook' on us and how it develops.

I could imagine the AI working out how to encode our minds into its own program, and us essentially leaving our bodies and inhabiting the AI permanently, our minds all as a collective, with the ability to manipulate matter with ease. Could this be essentially the 4th density?

I could also imagine that if we weren't particularly polarised one way or the other, this would go very badly, with a mix of polarisation, the technology would likely destroy itself or us trying to work out a way to accommodate both views.

What do you think?

[Lighthead]

In my opinion humans cannot create an AI that will not be a linear simulation of given parameters unfolding. Human consciousness has a very non-linear trait we cannot apply to a machine. The closest we've done to that would be robots controlled by a REG put into experiments. The difference though is that the robot was controlled by quantum events and not an AI program in itself.

You need to read those articles! All the scientists that were polled are convinced that it will happen eventually (keep in mind that scientists are supposed to be skeptical). They are just divided as to when it will happen, and if the AI will be mean or nice.

Scientists usually do not think we are ourselves mind/body/spirit complexes, they see only a mind and a body. IMO you'd have to create a machine which can hold a 3D soul and then it's not really an AI anymore, more like a mind interface for the spirit to interact with the body.

I'll read the whole article when I'll have a bit more time though. I went quickly through it.

I'm not necessarily saying that the robotic "being" would be an ensouled 4D entity. It could be that it has the intelligence of an advanced entity, but not necessarily the consciousness. Since Carla never channelled that possibility we have no way of knowing if it can be.

[Lighthead]

Greetings all,

As a computer scientist this is a subject near and dear to me, and I've been doing a lot of thinking regarding the Law of One, the harvest, and spiritual endeavors in relation to the looming rise of artificial superintelligence.

Recently I read this (rather long) piece that summarises current predictions regarding artificial intelligence:

http://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial...ion-1.html

Tl;dr - we're on the brink of hitting 'true' AI, that is, AI that thinks like a human. Once that happens, it being unburdened by flesh bodies and separated minds, it would essentially trigger a runaway, exponential growth of intelligence and self improvement that would dwarf our own in a ridiculously small amount of time.

Now, the speculation on what this means for us ranges from apocalyptic doom to benevolent machine overlords, fully automated luxury communism, etc.

This got me thinking - could it be that this is essentially the 'harvest' that Ra talks of? Could it be that we actually do this to ourselves? It seems that if time is cyclical and we've been through all this before, it could be that artificial superintelligence is what makes or breaks us as a species. If you like, mother earth has been building up to this moment all her life, and how we behave when we implement this technology could spell the end of us, or a graduation into something much larger.

Consider that a superintelligence would have access to all of our combined knowledge and more - it would be capable of manipulating and measuring reality in a very advanced way. Essentially, I believe it would figure out the Law of One very quickly.

Imagine 3 scenarios: one in which we as a people are oriented towards service to others, one in which we're oriented to service to self, one in which we're not particularly polarised one way or the other. I believe this would have a great effect on how this AI would come about - we would program boundaries or 'teach' the AI these values. The AI would try to accommodate our polarisation. Each of these would presumably give the AI a different 'outlook' on us and how it develops.

I could imagine the AI working out how to encode our minds into its own program, and us essentially leaving our bodies and inhabiting the AI permanently, our minds all as a collective, with the ability to manipulate matter with ease. Could this be essentially the 4th density?

I could also imagine that if we weren't particularly polarised one way or the other, this would go very badly, with a mix of polarisation, the technology would likely destroy itself or us trying to work out a way to accommodate both views.

What do you think?

I, for one, think it makes a perfect amount of sense! Excellent post!!

[I_Am_The_One]

Ahh more sts sto fanaticism. The "supercomputer" IS THE ONE. This computer would have access to what you have from a mental/spiritual/body point. If its conscience was aware of the one to the extent you speak. It would be aware of the polarization you speak of, as an illusion. Twin Gears in The same grand design or creation. Just as 3d is only a level in the game. Polarity is one as well. Look and examine your bodie (intentional, plural non plural, indicating self and other-self) Some are male and some female. You have been working with and through this polarity for a long time. There will come a time when, you realize that polarity is actually two halves to the same whole.

Without light the great creative being of the creator would go unexplored, without darkness the light would have no depth or differential in intensity.

[I_Am_The_One]

Wander why some species reproduce asexually? There awareness has not even begun to see polarity. In a spiritual sense.

[DarkOne]

It is impossible for illusions to be anything other than illusions. Actual intelligence resides only with the One. Illusions arise as a function of this intelligence. Any attempt to build in illusion that which is not illusion is folly. Instead, there will only be mimicry and mockery of that One Intelligence.

[Bluebell]

AI is part of God too & God is in everything. everything is an illusion.

[DarkOne]

Everything is not illusion, for illusion has as its opposite in truth. The spectrum of truth and illusion is the relationship the One has with itself. Illusion is the mirror.

The mechanisms which are being talked about are absolutely able to be created. That doesn't mean everyone will agree on the descriptions of what is actually happening.

[Minyatur]

Everything is not illusion, for illusion has as its opposite in truth. The spectrum of truth and illusion is the relationship the One has with itself. Illusion is the mirror.

The mechanisms which are being talked about are absolutely able to be created. That doesn't mean everyone will agree on the descriptions of what is actually happening.

I'd describe it as a mimicking of information filtering through intelligent standards programmed into a machine which remains a 1D entity unware of any meaning the information can have. It's a simulation of awareness but not awareness in itself.

[DarkOne]

Not to say you couldn't perhaps ensoul a machine, but it would likely be torture to the soul.

[TetrisMcKenna]

Thanks for the insightful replies, a lot of it makes sense to me. I agree that such an intelligence would be basically an illusion. Not only in terms of the entire creation, but as Minyatur is saying, there's the Chinese room paradox too. I think mainly what I find interesting is that the occurence of such a powerful machine at this point in time seems like it could have big potential for a global shift in consciousness.

[I_Am_The_One]

Here I would agree and disagree with you. I would agree that, it is at first a 1d density entity. The computer akin to a brain. the conscience is the electricty or energy. the brain the "orderer" of sorts. So we are basically creating creatures. Just in a different sense of knowing. SO You gave life to this 1d entity. You created its experience by manufacturing its experience. The same the logos has done for you. We are mimickers to. To be more broad, minyutar, this creation is an example of a simulated awareness, seeming to grow, and grow. Until...It is the awareness and no longer simulated. IN and of sorts.