Random Ra Material Questions

[Minyatur]

Personally, I'm a little sad no one thought to ask him if he'd been a star before or planned to do so.  That would have been interesting to hear about.

I do not think it is of his density. A friend made me pick from a Tarot deck which Logos I would become in 7D, I picked the Moon and that actually sounds pretty good to me. Being far away from things, circling around a planet yet not totally partaking in it.

[AnthroHeart]

I would want to be a Logos to a planet at least. That way I can experience everything the people of the planet experience.
As long as it's not too much STS I can take it.

There's still a lot of beauty in Earth.

[APeacefulWarrior]

Who knows maybe there is an equal effort to make it fail. From my perspective, the only thing I can truly phantom a 6D STS entity would want is to make 6D STO plans fail. Testing their 6D friends in a manner they do not want to be tested. 

I find that I also can't imagine what a 6DSTS's motivations would be at the point they're still rejecting Oneness and the compassion that goes with it. I have to think they would be quite irrational from most perspectives at that point. I also wonder if they might get it into their heads (so to speak) they could somehow displace the Creator if only they could consume enough energy.

(Here's a wacky theory: If suns are 6D logoi, perhaps a supermassive black hole would be their STS opposite.)

But that said, Ra specifically says that a 6D STS will inevitably turn STO.

78.25 In sixth density, the density of unity, the positive and negative paths must needs take in each other for all now must be seen as love/light and light/love. This is not difficult for the positive polarity, which sends love and light to all other-selves. It is difficult enough for service-to-self polarized entities that at some point the negative polarity is abandoned.

[APeacefulWarrior]

I do not think it is of his density.

No, stars are 6D. He says so specifically. (45.1) He also refers at one point to our sun's Logos as being in some way responsible for altering our development, although I forget exactly where.

[Minyatur]

I do not think it is of his density.

No, stars are 6D.  He says so specifically.  (45.1)  He also refers at one point to our sun's Logos as being in some way responsible for altering our development, although I forget exactly where.

45.1 seems to be about the instrument's condition. I would love to know which quote though.

[AnthroHeart]

I thought Ra said that stars take up the entire Octave.

[Minyatur]

Who knows maybe there is an equal effort to make it fail. From my perspective, the only thing I can truly phantom a 6D STS entity would want is to make 6D STO plans fail. Testing their 6D friends in a manner they do not want to be tested. 

I find that I also can't imagine what a 6DSTS's motivations would be at the point they're still rejecting Oneness and the compassion that goes with it.  I have to think they would be quite irrational from most perspectives at that point.  I also wonder if they might get it into their heads (so to speak) they could somehow displace the Creator if only they could consume enough energy.

(Here's a wacky theory:  If suns are 6D logoi, perhaps a supermassive black hole would be their STS opposite.)

I think why 6D STS entities remain STS has a lot to do with 6D STO groups. Each polarity perceives truths that the other does not and in turn reject the other polarity for not perceiving the said truths.

[APeacefulWarrior]

LOL. Oops, I spoonerized it. That should have been 41.5.

41.5 Questioner: In your last statement did you mean that the sixth-density entities are actually creating the manifestation of the sun in their density? Could you explain what you meant by that?
Ra: I am Ra. In this density some entities whose means of reproduction is fusion may choose to perform this portion of experience as part of the beingness of the sun body. Thus you may think of portions of the light that you receive as offspring of the generative expression of sixth-density love.

[AnthroHeart]

LOL.  Oops, I spoonerized it. That should have been 41.5.

41.5 Questioner: In your last statement did you mean that the sixth-density entities are actually creating the manifestation of the sun in their density? Could you explain what you meant by that?
Ra: I am Ra. In this density some entities whose means of reproduction is fusion may choose to perform this portion of experience as part of the beingness of the sun body. Thus you may think of portions of the light that you receive as offspring of the generative expression of sixth-density love.

Well that makes sense then. I wonder if it takes many 6th density beings to make a sun.

[Minyatur]

LOL.  Oops, I spoonerized it. That should have been 41.5.

41.5 Questioner: In your last statement did you mean that the sixth-density entities are actually creating the manifestation of the sun in their density? Could you explain what you meant by that?
Ra: I am Ra. In this density some entities whose means of reproduction is fusion may choose to perform this portion of experience as part of the beingness of the sun body. Thus you may think of portions of the light that you receive as offspring of the generative expression of sixth-density love.

I perceived that as that they went into the Sun, not that they are the Sun. "as part of beingness of the sun body"

[Minyatur]

But that said, Ra specifically says that a 6D STS will inevitably turn STO.  

78.25  In sixth density, the density of unity, the positive and negative paths must needs take in each other for all now must be seen as love/light and light/love. This is not difficult for the positive polarity, which sends love and light to all other-selves. It is difficult enough for service-to-self polarized entities that at some point the negative polarity is abandoned.

Well I viewed that as they need to become cooperative at some point with STO group for their own evolution just as the evolution of the STO groups. In the end both polarities are left behind as there was nothing but the illusion of polarity to begin with. Both polarities are only about exploring one of the two faces of truth.

I think Ra perceives this but still has bias about it.

[AnthroHeart]

What's it like to be a star? Is it endless bliss, no matter what goes on under your care?

[Minyatur]

To what I just said about STO and STS rejoining.

36.17 Questioner: Then what is the motivation for the… Oh, let me finish that question first. What is the motiv— what is the mechanism that this unusual sixth-density entity would wish to gain to polarize more negatively through wandering?

Ra: I am Ra. The Wanderer has the potential of greatly accelerating the density whence it comes in its progress in evolution. This is due to the intensive life experiences and opportunities of the third density. Thusly the positively oriented Wanderer chooses to hazard the danger of the forgetting in order to be of service to others by radiating love of others. If the forgetting is penetrated the amount of catalyst in third density will polarize the Wanderer with much greater efficiency than shall be expected in the higher and more harmonious densities.

Similarly, the negatively oriented Wanderer dares to hazard the forgetting in order that it might accelerate its progress in evolution in its own density by serving itself in third density by offering to other-selves the opportunity to hear the information having to do with negative polarization.

To me it seems like a 6D STS entity will wander at the point when it stops being "butthurt" about STO groups not understanding the negative path and starts to experience the desire for it to be shared that mutual understanding may emerge. Probably an inevitable end. Under a veil they can share with other wanderers while they would have probably never popped out into a 6D STO social memory complex for that.

[APeacefulWarrior]

I know, right? Being a star sounds kinda awesome.

And yeah, it sounds like going from 6DSTS to 7D is actually a two-stage process, because the STS first has to switch to positive and then abandon polarities. It has to be able to connect to the Creator directly, via positive polarity, to progress any further.

[Minyatur]

I know, right?  Being a star sounds kinda awesome.  

And yeah, it sounds like going from 6DSTS to 7D is actually a two-stage process, because the STS first has to switch to positive and then abandon polarities.  It has to be able to connect to the Creator directly, via positive polarity, to progress any further.

I think the inverse also holds true. The old polarity is not abandonned, it is transcended. At that point in my opinion there is also the fact that the STO group which the STS entity will join should have also transcended it's own polarity that it may accept within itself "negative wisdom" about Creation.

If one of the two parties isn't at that point, they will most likely reject each other until the respective polarity is transcended that it may accept the other.

It is also a possibility that a 6D STO social memory complex cannot harvest into 7D without merging with a 6D STS entity or group. Rather than being one-way like Ra implied, it could very well be two-way which makes sense as All is One.

[AnthroHeart]

If a 6D STO SMC merged with a 6D STS SMC, they would gain the negative wisdom they didn't have before. maybe this is required for 7D harvest.

[anagogy]

Is negative space/time psychologically scary? Is it like living a horror film?

It would be if you aren't negatively polarized.  One individual's hell is another individual's heaven.

[anagogy]

Because STS is only about pain, difficulty, sufferings of others and examination of the perversities of nature. To me Ra sounds subjective on something he knows not and judges. Ra will fail his harvest unless he works on his own bias.

I don't know, Minyatur, but personally, if an action doesn't occur at the expense of another, I wouldn't consider that behavior to be wholly service to self.  
I would consider it to be more of a neutral behavior.

As I understand it, Ra is beyond polarity at their stage of evolution.

But since STS is predicated on separation, after transcending polarity, beings will come across as positive by default (like Ra for example).

A service to others action, on the other hand, would have to involve helping another.  If your actions do not help another or take something away from another, I would consider it more or less neutral, or non polarized toward self or others.  A behavior in the sinkhole of indifference, or a more or less innocent movement towards comfort in some way or another.

How do you define STS behavior?

[AnthroHeart]

Is negative space/time psychologically scary? Is it like living a horror film?

It would be if you aren't negatively polarized.  One individual's hell is another individual's heaven.

How much more freaky/scary would 5D negative be compared to 4D negative for someone who wasn't negative?

[AnthroHeart]

4D negative is probably like this.

[anagogy]

How much more freaky/scary would 5D negative be compared to 4D negative for someone who wasn't negative?

Hard to say.  But then again, unless you are 5D you aren't going to have the proper consciousness matrix to understand those densities anyway.

Ra said the 5D neg that was monitoring their group occupied a space/time environment that was akin to a barren cave, because it required very little upon the physical plane, and spent most of its time out of its body in time/space, gleaning the negative wisdom that the wisdom density had to offer it.

[Minyatur]

Because STS is only about pain, difficulty, sufferings of others and examination of the perversities of nature. To me Ra sounds subjective on something he knows not and judges. Ra will fail his harvest unless he works on his own bias.

I don't know, Minyatur, but personally, if an action doesn't occur at the expense of another, I wouldn't consider that behavior to be wholly service to self.  
I would consider it to be more of a neutral behavior.

As I understand it, Ra is beyond polarity at their stage of evolution.

But since STS is predicated on separation, after transcending polarity, beings will come across as positive by default (like Ra for example).

A service to others action, on the other hand, would have to involve helping another.  If your actions do not help another or take something away from another, I would consider it more or less neutral, or non polarized toward self or others.  A behavior in the sinkhole of indifference, or a more or less innocent movement towards comfort in some way or another.

How do you define STS behavior?

In the traditionnal sense I'd agree that STS is at the expense of others. On a higher level of perception, a STS actions at the expense of others is still a form of service as a catalyst for others just like being STO is also a service to self. Unless STO entities do not themselves enjoy being STO which would then be a service against self for other-selves and could only be done at your own expenses. The illusion of polarity lies in the separateness of self and other-selves. In the end there is no action that is not about self and other-selves at the same time.

To me in spiritual evolution, helping or not helping others is an equal form of service as it is providing an experience between self and other-selves. Whatever it is, it can be useful for growth.

Some (if not all) need to experience negativity to further their own growth. (looking at all the wanderers that came from very STO worlds only to later come back on a 3D mixed polarity sphere to experience the other side of Creation)

[sunnysideup]

I do not think it is of his density.

No, stars are 6D.  He says so specifically.  (45.1)  He also refers at one point to our sun's Logos as being in some way responsible for altering our development, although I forget exactly where.

41.7 Questioner: Thank you. What I want to do now is investigate, as the first density is formed, what happens and how energy centers are first formed in beings. Let me first ask you, does it make any sense to ask you if the sun itself has a density, or is it all densities?

Ra: I am Ra. The sub-Logos is of the entire octave and is not that entity which experiences the learning/teachings of entities such as yourselves.

[anagogy]

In the traditionnal sense I'd agree that STS is at the expense of others. On a higher level of perception, a STS actions at the expense of others is still a form of service as a catalyst for others just like being STO is also a service to self. Unless STO entities do not themselves enjoy being STO which would then be a service against self for other-selves and could only be done at your own expenses. The illusion of polarity lies in the separateness of self and other-selves. In the end there is no action that is not about self and other-selves at the same time.

To me in spiritual evolution, helping or not helping others is an equal form of service as it is providing an experience between self and other-selves. Whatever it is, it can be useful for growth.

Some (if not all) need to experience negativity to further their own growth. (looking at all the wanderers that came from very STO worlds only to later come back on a 3D mixed polarity sphere to experience the other side of Creation)

I agree with you, Minyatur.  STS is a service to others (in its own way), and STO does, inevitably, result in service to self.  Since all is one, it would impossible for it to be otherwise, I would think.

At the end of the day, for me it boils down to where the will, or intent, is ultimately directed.  The STS *intend* to take from others, and the STO *intend* to help others.  Yes, the world about them will glean what it will from their interactions, whether it be to their benefit or detriment, but ultimately, the polarity distinction boils down to what a being uses its god given will for (what picnic it willfully chooses to partake of)

Obviously the creator does not look down on those who choose the service to self distortion, else it wouldn't even be an option for seeking intelligent infinity.  The All blinks neither at the darkness, nor at the light.  It all serves the creator, if only to potentiate the illusory energy exchanges from one pole to the other.  

[ricdaw]

I see you both are used to wander in those realms of time/space, for your understandings on these matters have helped me grasp much of it. Thank you.

But, I still have a key question for you. So there is a metaphysical law that actually bonds an entity to a time/space-space/time environment? I mean, if one is lured to a different time/space he is bonded to it until it's cycle ends and harvest comes, right?

I think there are metaphysical laws which bind you to a planetary system and its unique combination of space/time and time/space.  So we are "bound" to the Earth Life School.  Harvest is another way of saying that the soul has progressed enough to achieve "escape velocity."  At that point, whether from space/time or time/space, the individual can choose to go . . . elsewhere.

It is very intuitive for me to justify the polarity change by the necessity to escape such vibrational prison, but that implies a lot of change in my concepts of consciousness polarization, it's like saying "I am trapped in negative environment and the only way out is to become negative, so I will change my polarity in order to return home." As I understand it, the polarity can only be changed by a profound insight, in the roots of the mind, it must be a change in perspective, a new point of view of all things, I can't understand how one could change polarity for a certain goal. ricdaw, if you could explain how this could be done, under this perspective, I would appreciate it a lot.

Well, I speak from intuition, not experience.  So take this with not a grain, but a mountain of salt.

Taking the Carla example, with a magical translocation to negative time/space.  I do not believe that the translation is to a negative area of the Earth's astral planes.  Such places do exist, but the advanced/aware soul (like Carla's) can move relatively freely around the various ELS astral planes.  In the Afterlife, you can go visit these "lower" or negative time/space environments at will and never fear being trapped in them.  (And, actually, I think advanced souls can go visit other worlds too.)

So, I believe, Carla's translocation must be to a different planet.  

Once there, the "truth" of her situation would be known to her.  She would understand how she got there and what she would have to do in order to escape.  She would have the "profound insight" that going negative would be the only way forward so that she could achieve escape velocity from the new planetary environment. (She must obtain POWER to escape such a place.  More than a single person's power but the collective power of many minions who can feed her their collective energies.)

I do not understand the how/why of the metaphysical law other than to describe it as a gravity well.  The time/space environment is the launch pad to its analogue physical world.  Once you find yourself in that environment there is a commitment to stay.  It's like getting into the ride car of a roller coaster.  Once you pay your ticket, get seated, and the ride starts, there is no "out" or "off" but to go through the entire roller-coaster ride; at the end of which you find yourself right back in the very same spot you started from.  And there are no other "rides" you can get to unless/until you first "master" that darn roller-coaster.  It's a 25,000 year-long ticket for most everyone, except those rare few who, in the middle of the ride (while incarnate), come to understand they are on a karmic roller-coaster ride.  They come to know that if they unsnap their seatbelt, and stand up in the middle of the ride, and then jump from the very top of the top the loop, that they will land outside the role-coaster ride building free at last.  It is an utter act of Faith.  (See Tarot Card zero, the Fool.)

Last question, if there is magic able to kidnap someone to a negative environment there must be magic able to rescue him, no?

Intriguing thought!  Let's play with it.  I imagine that your Oversoul, your 6th Dimensional or "future" self could manage the magical workings to save you from the kidnapping.  But.  Wouldn't that be an abridgment of Free Will?  Or maybe its more mechanical than that.  Perhaps even the 6th Dimensional Oversoul cannot come to rescue you from that new negative time/space world because to get close enough to that world to reach you would be to enter its gravity well.  And the metaphysical law of all gravity wells is that once caught you commit to 25,000 years.  (Essentially the rescue effort forces the Oversoul into becoming a Wanderer in the new world.  Yikes.  Kind of a failed rescue attempt.)  

I think that the trance state, for an incarnate soul, is a state where you can transcend the binds of the gravity well.  In that state you can access Intelligent Infinity.  Also in that state you can be kidnapped.  It's as if you actually do venture outside the gravity well of the local planet . . . . it is place of vulnerability, but it is also a place unlimited exploration.  It is the holding of the hand that keeps such a person bound to the ELS, and safe from kidnapping.

[Minyatur]

Intriguing thought!  Let's play with it.  I imagine that your Oversoul, your 6th Dimensional or "future" self could manage the magical workings to save you from the kidnapping.  But.  Wouldn't that be an abridgment of Free Will?  Or maybe its more mechanical than that.  Perhaps even the 6th Dimensional Oversoul cannot come to rescue you from that new negative time/space world because to get close enough to that world to reach you would be to enter its gravity well.  And the metaphysical law of all gravity wells is that once caught you commit to 25,000 years.  (Essentially the rescue effort forces the Oversoul into becoming a Wanderer in the new world.  Yikes.  Kind of a failed rescue attempt.)  

If it can, your Oversoul not doing it is simply the first distortion of free will. There would be none of your experiences that is not desired by yourself. Apply that to the One Intelligent Infinity which you are and which is your Highest Oversoul and it applies to every single instant of space/time of All. The future wishes not to change the past or pershaps your current experiences are already a manifestation of it being perfected by your own will. Time afterall is merely a convenient illusion for experiences to be experienced.

[andreazzi]

As for being stuck in a particular time/space until the cycle ends, this is not a concept I agree with.  Your placement in time/space is a function of where you *choose* to focus your mind.  It is possible for a being to become stuck in negative time/space and not realize they can leave due to ignorance of metaphysical laws (like attracts like).  It is like when you have a nightmare at night -- you become entranced or focused into a mental environment with a negative theme.  Except that in the case of the person having a nightmare, the physiological processes of the body eventually recall them from the negative time/space and they wake up (like you get so worked up, you regain consciousness, or you have to go to the bathroom).  After the cessation of the body, there is little to break the focus except deliberately breaking your own focus from the darkness.

but that's exactly what Ra said: "At this point the higher self of the instrument would have the choice of leaving the mind/body/spirit complex in negative sp— we correct— time/space or of allowing incarnation in space/time of equivalent vibration and polarity distortions."

and that is also my understanding, but as ricsaw said, there must be a pattern for entering/leaving a time/space nexus in the Creation, just like a roller coaster ride, you can't leave the ride until it ends or you are able to reach intelligent infinity while incarnated, and thus taking that "fool's leap of faith".

[andreazzi]

So, I believe, Carla's translocation must be to a different planet. 

Another density as well, according to Ra. But then, as usual, another question arises: in a 5D or 6D environment wouldn't it be much easier for an entity to reach intelligent infinity and by this be empowered to reach the "escape velocity" of that particular negative environment?

Due to the lack of the forgetting process, wouldn't it be much easier for the entity to know itself and thus be connected to it's home vibration via intelligent infinity?

Anyway, this is highly advanced material, there must be many many aspects to take into consideration, and Ra gave us only the high probability vortex for this specific situation.

[ricdaw]

Another density as well, according to Ra. But then, as usual, another question arises: in a 5D or 6D environment wouldn't it be much easier for an entity to reach intelligent infinity and by this be empowered to reach the "escape velocity" of that particular negative environment?

Due to the lack of the forgetting process, wouldn't it be much easier for the entity to know itself and thus be connected to it's home vibration via intelligent infinity?

Anyway, this is highly advanced material, there must be many many aspects to take into consideration, and Ra gave us only the high probability vortex for this specific situation.

Wild speculation here, by analogy.

3D vibration:  The "effort" to polarize positive is 50%+.  The "effort" to polarize negative is 90%.

What if the "effort" to escape from 5D or 6D negative is similar? Perhaps the gravity wells of a negative 5D or 6D world are so heavy, the effort so great, it really does take a collective effort (meaning conscripting fellow subservient humans to steal their energy) in order to make it happen?  Perhaps negative worlds are orders of magnitude "darker" than than positive worlds are "lighter"?

Another speculation.  It took three highly polarized positive people to achieve Ra contact (Don, Carla, Jim).  Could a positively polarized human like Carla even contact Intelligent Infinity by herself from a negative 5D/6D environment?  There won't be any helpers in negative 5D or 6D space.  She'd have to do it all alone.  Would there even be a safe place to do this magical working that wouldn't be watched by equally adept negative entities waiting to snare and enslave other powerful persons?  

And I presume that like entry to 3D worlds, you are still born into a body.  Even if you remember who you really are (thin veiling) you have to eat.  Your folks too might not be trustworthy as they would see the great potential of the baby Carla.  Would they sell such a child into slavery for favors or cash?  

I don't know.  But I don't think it is unreasonable to imagine negative environments as horrific places to live (like North Korea x100) where the odds of survival and growing up are already low.  The odds of retaining a "positive" orientation in such a hostile environment, even less. And the odds of successfully contacting Intelligent Infinity by yourself, too remote to contemplate.

I dunno.  But this speculation sure is congruent with Don's obvious fears for Carla. 

[Minyatur]

36.2 Questioner: Then would the mind/body/spirit complex totality be responsible for programming changes in catalyst during, say, a third-density experience of the mind/body/spirit complex so that the proper catalyst would be added, shall we say, as conditions for that complex changed during third-density experience? Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The Higher Self, as you call it, that is, that self which exists with full understanding of the accumulation of experiences of the entity, aids the entity in achieving healing of theexperiences which have not been learned properly and assists as you have indicated in further life experience programming, as you may call it.

The mind/body/spirit complex totality is that which may be called upon by the Higher Self aspect just as the mind/body/spirit complex calls upon the Higher Self. In the one case you have a structured situation within the space/time continuum with the Higher Self having available to it the totality of experiences which have been collected by an entity and a very firm grasp of the lessons to be learned in this density.

The mind/body/spirit complex totality is as the shifting sands and is in some part a collection of parallel developments of the same entity. This information is made available to the Higher Self aspect. This aspect may then use these projected probability/possibility vortices in order to better aid in what you would call future life programming.

This sums up the Higher-self and self relationship pretty well.