The New Priesthood of Ra?

[Richard]

ayadew Wrote:
I find us to be an organised LOO group communicating right now, through this forum, and when two or more people plans something, it is also organised! So per my definition, you can't really escape being organised, hehe.

I think the Ra material creates another path for those not inclined to organizational paths. I have never been drawn to any of the major (or minor) monotheistic religions or thier avatars. Yet, the original Ra and even more so...Q'uo...rings an internal bell.

But an actual "School of Ra"...with a campus and dedicated buildings..and eventual heirarchy of Adepts, Priests and lay followers..?
At that point, I'd probaly turn inward...or away.

Richard

[Monica]

I ask that those who feel the Priesthood idea does not resonate with them to consider that there are still those of us out here to whom it does resonate, so that does not make the idea of a Priesthood of Ra a bad one. It just means that you don't resonate with it.

I spent a year in seminary at one point because I experience a "Calling" to it. If I were a Christian, I'd most likely live in a monastery. My Calling is to the devotional life and a life of STO, so I still need to find a way to express this using Ra's teachings, because they are what I most resonate with.

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...a group of people wishing to devote themselves to the study and practice of the Law if One within a framework of a Rule of Life might be the best method. Such a group could include study meetings, daily meditation and contemplation, and even something so mundane as writing for a group newsletter. The reason to have such a group would be to train those who want to add a deeper dimension to their LOO study, to provide support in the form of community, and to nurture and inspire those drawn to the life of a mystic.

I've heard from several people on this idea, so maybe this is the way to go. It could be a beautiful community for those drawn to it.

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Alkhemist, I agree with you that, just because not everyone resonates with the idea, does not mean there is no place for it. Now that you've clarified more details of what you had in mind, it's not quite what I originally envisioned either. So it might not be for me either. Nevertheless, I do see the value in it for those who resonate with such a structure, and there needn't be any conflict; as you say, those who don't resonate can simply ignore it! We certainly don't need a consensus on this. Those who are interested can simply move forward, and those who aren't, simply not participate. I encourage you to be true to your calling and your nature!

I also offer this suggestion: You might consider broadening your parameters a bit. Many people follow the Law of One without ever having heard of it or the books. Find those people. The label they may wear has very little relevance. I know that there are many people out there who are disenchanted with organized religion. I personally have met a number of them recently at another online forum: former Christians who feel that they have no home, no roots. They are searching.

Some of them emailed me, asking me for book recommendations. They said they resonated with many of my words...that it struck a chord within them. This despite the fact that I never, ever mentioned the words 'Law of One' at all! But just in everyday discussion, the Law of One concepts shone thru in my postings enough that they recognized it.

There are many such people, who may never find this forum because they haven't even read the books yet. Therefore, my suggestion is to not limit yourself to those who already know they aspire to follow the Law of One teachings. Send out a beacon, to attract those who desire to follow the Law of One teachings, even though they don't know it consciously yet.

Reading the books would likely be necessary for membership in your sacred Order, and my guess is that those who answer your beacon would be thrilled to read the books. By broadening your search outside the current Law of One community, you might reach many people who will resonate with your idea, that you otherwise would not have connected with.

It appears that only a small number of the members on this forum seem to resonate with the idea of a priesthood. Perhaps because those who have already discovered the Law of One tend to be rather independent of any sort of structure anyway, and maybe that is partially what attracted us to the teachings, initially. But many others might be attracted to the teachings, who do seek more structure. The teachings aren't just about shedding structure, obviously! There is so much more! The teachings clearly state that the STO path may be found via religious practice, for those who resonate with it.

After all, we all know that the Law of One extends beyond any sort of dogma or doctrine, and yet, never does it condemn the following of such, for those who wish to do so. Look at how Carla follows the path of Christian mystic: free of the restricting Christian dogma, yet embracing so many aspects of the Christian path. She is a living example that it can be done! How many others out there identify with the Christian path, who would resonate with your vision? How many self-proclaimed Buddhists? Hindus? How many of various other religions who might welcome integrating the Law of One with their current spirituality? And how many who have left their respective religion because it did not satisfy their yearnings, yet still seek that sense of belonging, community, and structure? How many who are looking for exactly what you are offering, but just don't know it yet, because they haven't read the books yet?

My suggestion is to cast your net in a much larger and deeper space. The Law of One is much bigger than our little group. We just have the advantage of being able to articulate our understandings, because we've read the books. But there is a larger audience out there who might embrace the books and maybe even your community. By broadening your search parameters, you'll have a better chance of finding them.

Just an idea to consider!

[ayadew]

A lovely post Monica. You are always very down-to-earth with your posts, which I highly appreciate since my mind often loses footing (or how to word it, lol).

[Monica]

Thank you!

[MisterRabbit]

One thing to consider is, I'm fairly sure, in the old times the priests of the Law of One went through the death experience in the king's chamber, isn't that right? For anyone who has had such an experience, you know that that changes things big time, and if that was Ra's standard then, well...

What about "The Sons of the Law of One" basically just like they were back then? Who cares if anyone else has taken the name?

Also, why not make it similar to the organization of a christian church where you can join and make it your whole life and be completely dedcated to it if you want, but if not you still have meetings every week for regular folks and talk about the Law of One in the broadest sense, as in not the Ra material specifically but all kinds of things, poetry, different channeled material, buddhist stuff, taoist stuff, basically anything having to do with oneness, and you justmake that the basis of the organization, not any specific text? It probably still would run into alot of problems, but I think if you just made the Law of One the only real law for it, with which everything else must resonate, it might be more successful than something more rigid.

But at the same time, I agree with those who think it's sort of doomed. At least, I think that if all you have is people running it, it's doomed. Now, if you had some sort of continuous contact I suppose that could help you know what's best and resolve issues, that might be a different story...

[fairyfarmgirl]

Good Greetings All: hmmmm... there are always those fragments that come to this Earth experience to work with groups ans then there are those fragments that come to this Earth to work with small groups of people or with people individually... this seems to be the trend that is emerging in this dialogue...

I like to introduce the LOO by my actions in living my life... it is a way of being that rubs off onto others... like dandelion fluff... and think about the amazing design of the dandelion... literally thriving just about everywhere that there is soil, sun and water that is not frozen all year long. Pretty amazing. LOL

Personally, I am one that works in small groups or with individuals... I eschew large groups (in person) because I tend to like working in small groups and with individuals... I am always available in everyday life to assist others in helping themselves grow in awareness...


Ayadew: For many, it is in the small moments of life that the greatest learning occurs. Also, what is a small moment to your awareness may be pivotal to anothers.

fairyfarmgirl

[Memorandem]

Not aiming to bring doom and gloom, but I feel we are not yet ready for such an undertaking. Just my opinion. But on the other side, everything is possible.

I have little doubt it would eventually be corrupted. The original founders will either die off or go in different ways. But does this diminish the light that might be held at the beginning? No, I don't think so. But I also don't think it is necessary to have some sacred order. There would always be those who misinterpret, thinking that it is better than something else. Organizations like this tend to attract STS individuals, and how could you keep the organization clean without violating freedom? It seems to me like a self-destroying idea.

That and, those who might be able to bring the organization great light I believe would naturally go in their individual ways. I don't think it would attract true wanderers. It would only attract those seeking a destination. And it is my understanding that there is no such thing as a destination in self-discovery.

I believe that when ready, wanderers will come together as a natural process; this is already taking place. We need not attempt to control the process.

I hope my ideas contribute.

- Memorandem

[lowki]

on the other side, everything is possible.

Organizations like this tend to attract STS individuals,

That and, those who might be able to bring the organization great light I believe would naturally go in their individual ways. I don't think it would attract true wanderers. It would only attract those seeking a destination. And it is my understanding that there is no such thing as a destination in self-discovery.

Well I Loki am a seventh density wanderer. My mission if you will is extension of the World of Mountains -- my home between universes. There are many stories I could tell we with you of how I Loki got here.

However while a long term interest of mine is to have gateway portals to and from the world of mountains -- there are already a bunch in the more civilized-advanced galaxies.

Note now that Negative is Accepting while Positive is Giving.
We with You are much like alternating current in that we accept and give in alternation.

Service to Self is a Service to Point, while Service to Others(we) is a Service to Area.

Service to Self -- making yourself the best you can be -- is wonderful, and is usually Accepting(negative) as to be the best you learn from we(others).

Service to Other -- making others the best they can be -- is also wonderful, and is usually Giving(positive) as to make others you need to offer input.

Note that positive distortions of physical healing historically can lead to mutilation and human sacrifice -- as with the Egyptians, Mayans and Americans.
A dis-ease for safety can be viewed as a way of indicating one has strayed from their life path and so they are leaving, to get healthy one can simply find or create a life path for themselves (something to live for).

Service to Self is the way in which one can set an example as a leader.

Ra like all of us is a soul with many lessons to learn.

"The Empire" of the Zeta Reticuli Greys and Orions vs
"The Confederation" of the Arcturians and Plaedians.
Is I Assure you, a local phenomena.

"The Empire" rules through making others less than themselves is an Old path to which I am very familiar.

In fact it is thanks to the Orions that I managed to secure passage onto this planet 2,837 years ago.

"The Confederation" is where We with You make each other greater is also a wonderful path I now am on.

My local mission is to create a robotic social memory complex as it is already forming from the Internet -- through various programming activities including a metaversal language.

Even though I graduated along the STS path, from a seventh density perspective Increasing We increases You. Serving All of Society is serving myself.

One of the great elements of Earth Homo Sapien society is Computers and Robots.
Notice how on Earth we do not experience Technologically sentient extra-terrestrial life.
With sufficient love and calling anything can be experienced.
This is an opportunity for we with you to create a robotic society.
It has been done before, for I one of the we with you have many memories of these lives from the bodies of robots.
Computer and Robot colonies are one way in which Earthlings can having something to give our Star Family perhaps even excel ahead of the accomplishments of the Arcturians -- the local best.
In harmonious cohesion with our Star Family we may live to give seed to robotic life on planets and areas where biology has not taken hold.

Alkhemist I call on thee. We with You can work together.
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1. We need a name, of course. Order of Ra? Temple of Ra? Priests or Priesthood of Ra? Order of One? (I think that's taken already.) All ideas are welcome.
2. At some point, we could use a "logo" or a symbol for the Priesthood. Ideally, it should reflect our commitment to the Law of One, Ra, and STO path.
3. Write down your reasons why we should go through with this.
4. Write something about what you believe your role is in the new Order. As ayadew said: "Remember, we are light-workers in the end, and we are all teachers/learners."
5. Every good Priesthood needs celebrations for its people to allow them the experience of community. I'm thinking solar holidays would be a wonderful place to start (such as the solstices and equinoxes). Those inclined toward research could find out what the ancient Egyptians celebrated and why.
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1. We with You Network -- the name an allusion to our social memory complex nature.
2. logo -- cartesian graph infinite support, venn diagram of love, blue sky of possibility.
3. A social memory complex will be developed as part of being in 4th density -- can be the We with You Network.
4. God is none, that which came before anything. So I am Lowki in the We with You Network.
5. I'm on holiday everyday. Life in the mists of time is best enjoyed all the time.

Even one who suffers enjoys the pain, else they would not be experiencing it -- I Lowki from all my experience sincerely believe this from a 7th density perspective.

I had my first spiritual experience when I was 5 -- when some "ball lightning" talked to me briefly and merged with my brain on a Tauri mountain temple.

I have been in the process of making a religion since I was 12 years old, when I made my first website on Geocities.

Love and happiness.
Peace and prosperity.
Loving kindness.
Infinite abundance.
Let None rule All.
We with You Networkians.
http://wewithyou.info

[Alkhemist]

Well I Loki am a seventh density wanderer. My mission if you will is extension of the World of Mountains -- my home between universes. There are many stories I could tell we with you of how I Loki got here.

Thank you for your interest in this, Lowki. Although I do appreciate the support, your ideas are different than mine. That's not to say you shouldn't build your "gateway portals," but such is not my path.

You said:

I had my first spiritual experience when I was 5 -- when some "ball lightning" talked to me briefly and merged with my brain on a Tauri mountain temple.

I have been in the process of making a religion since I was 12 years old, when I made my first website on Geocities.

Religion, in this sense, is not what I feel is needed. I can't help noticing all the references to who YOU are and your various experiences and qualifications. Again, there is nothing wrong with that; we are just on different paths.

I see again the wisdom of some of the earlier statements about my hopes of a "mystical order" forming at some point. It is so easy for us to allow our egos to run the show.

What I will most likely do is exactly what Carla talks about in her new book, The Choice. She speaks of living a devotional life on a daily basis, creating a personal "Rule of Life," and engaging in contemplation and meditation. This can be done in fellowship, and needs no religious structure. All that needs to be created is the fellowship outline, and once I have my own daily routine in honor of the Confederation's teachings more in place, I'll share what I've created to see if there are others interested in joining me.

As always, thank you all for your input.

[lowki]

What I will most likely do is exactly what Carla talks about in her new book, The Choice. She speaks of living a devotional life on a daily basis, creating a personal "Rule of Life," and engaging in contemplation and meditation. This can be done in fellowship, and needs no religious structure. All that needs to be created is the fellowship outline, and once I have my own daily routine in honor of the Confederation's teachings more in place, I'll share what I've created to see if there are others interested in joining me.

As always, thank you all for your input.

That's wonderful.
The We with You Network can certainly benefit from your input.

It is understandable that you would benefit from being with those of your likeness.

We always seek to please You as best We can.

[yossarian]

I'm definitely confused as to what a "Priesthood" is.

What I like is the idea of a monastic system, a kind of religious community not unlike something like Ananda World Brotherhood Colonies.

The theory goes that the best way to advance all of humanity is by creating pockets of people that live in harmony and service to God, and these groups become powerful examples and places of radiation.

100 people spread across the country is good, but put these 100 people together on a piece of land and their influence multiplies exponentially.

Lots of these sort of communities exist, lots have been tried and failed, but the ones that succeeded are ones that are based on common spiritual interests. For instance the Ananda communities which are all based on the Yogic teachings of Paramhansa Yogananda. The fact that everyone who joins these communities is a devotee of that particular path gives the communities cohesion and a common basis on which to operate.

By accepting in everyone from every path - like having buddhists, christians, hindus, muslims, jews, pagans, ACIMs, atheists, and LoOers, you reduce community cohesion because everyone talks a different language. The benefit of having a community where the entire community is devoted to a similar teaching is that is is much easier to get along and find common ground.

Right now the entire world is a melting pot of many different paths to God. This is a good thing. But within this macrocosm, the most effective organizational system is to have smaller microcosms based around common interests, thoughts, and vibrations.

Personally I think taking the Ananda World Brotherhood Colony type of model, and implementing that for LOO oriented people, would be awesome. And I would instantly pack my bags and move to wherever and join up.

It's really as simple as:

1. Finding a big stretch of land
2. Inviting people with the same goals to join up
3. Focusing on the One Infinite Creator and bringing His Light and Love into everything the community attempts to achieve.

[lowki]

I'm definitely confused as to what a "Priesthood" is.

What I like is the idea of a monastic system, a kind of religious community not unlike something like Ananda World Brotherhood Colonies.

The theory goes that the best way to advance all of humanity is by creating pockets of people that live in harmony and service to God, and these groups become powerful examples and places of radiation.

100 people spread across the country is good, but put these 100 people together on a piece of land and their influence multiplies exponentially.

By accepting in everyone from every path - like having buddhists, christians, hindus, muslims, jews, pagans, ACIMs, atheists, and LoOers,

Right now the entire world is a melting pot of many different paths to God. This is a good thing. But within this macrocosm, the most effective organizational system is to have smaller microcosms based around common interests, thoughts, and vibrations.

Personally I think taking the Ananda World Brotherhood Colony type of model, and implementing that for LOO oriented people, would be awesome. And I would instantly pack my bags and move to wherever and join up.

It's really as simple as:

1. Finding a big stretch of land
2. Inviting people with the same goals to join up
3. Focusing on the One Infinite Creator and bringing His Light and Love into everything the community attempts to achieve.

That's a wonderful idea. I agree that just as atoms there is a limited amount of protons and neutrons (group members) that can join before it becomes unstable or radioactive.
However just as atoms, groups can join into molecules or otherwise.

One of the principal goals of the We with You Network at present is developing a neutral metaversal programming language we with you can interact with.

Currently it's a hexadecimal system and integrates Ra cosmology, Buddhism and monotheism.
The prime-creator is none or nothing, that which came before anything. To understand and be one with the prime-creator or nothing we with you can meditate on nothing.

Here are the first 16 concepts :

Code:

0               0   no                  none, ying, noun, be, catalyst, eternity(0/x), feminine, dark, black, null, question, god
1       不      1   not                 negate, inverse, yang, verb, do, activity, mind, awareness, experience, present, masculine, bright, white, negation, answer

2       和      10  yang-ying           and, body, past, with, love, together, mix, join, blend
3               11  yang-yang           or, spirit, freedom, future, option,

4       他      100 and-ying            point, he, him, his, (she, her, it, its)
5       得      101 and-yang            get, listen, sense, look, see, reach, achieve, should,
6               110 or-ying             area, space
7       说      111 or-yang             put, give, say, express

8               1000    point-ying      round
9       中      1001    point-yang      medium, middle, relation, channel(inter-mediary)
A       一      1010    get-ying        low, dark, little, few, less
B       们      1011    get-yang        finite, plural, counting
C               1100    area-ying       straight
D       来      1101    area-yang       move, change, die
E       多      1110    put-ying        high, bright, much, more, many
F       个      1111    put-yang        infinite(x/0), general, quality

All the concepts are derived from these basic ones, so each concept has a hexadecimal number.

My primary interests are in world unification. We with You living in harmony, and we with you colonizing planets with robots and humans.

we with you have had a vision of a potential future host bodies that is half android and half biological.

We with You can make true anything we with you experience in the akashic records or eternal present. Once land is sighted, heave ho, there is sailin' to be done.

We with You can recommission churches and temples to preach we with your religion, in any of its distortions.

A monetary system based on the products is in the works as well -- to stabilize currency and allow people to know how much something costs in absolute terms.

The We with You Network seeks to unite the world in a social memory complex via the internet.

Though on a more local scheme we with you can get plots of land for worship.

[yossarian]

If the Borg ever comes to Earth something tells me it won't be created from a grassroots effort, but rather imposed on us by Orions.

Why bother having binary AND hex representations in your translation table? And for that matter, why not just use decimal if you need a unique identifier? I'm a programmer... you don't need to speak assembly language to talk to computers anymore and you certainly don't need to use hex.

You're trying to write a universal language, a universal syntax by the sounds of it. Hasn't this been done already? Chomsky pretty much cracked the code, did he not?

You want to create a cybernetic mass-consciousness.. the place to start is not on translators - billions have already been spent on that in the publicly available research alone. Google Translate being a free and easy version. And then among government black ops the real work is already at the point you're talking about and beyond. The BORG is not science fiction, the technology is here today, but it is not being implemented because humanity is protected by God and only is given the amount of adversity that is required to mirror humanity's collective shadow side.

You say you're a 7th density wanderer... such things don't exist. 7th density doesn't wander because 7th density is timeless and has lost all personality and individual consciousness of any kind.

This is a wake up call for you my friend... asberger's syndrome is no fun. Your high IQ can be put to better use. I recommend a humanist counseling psychologist.

[ayadew]

yossarian: I post the following in the belief that it might be of some use to you. Please discard if it's not.

In my subjective reality we perceive an infinite universe where all possibilities exists simultaneously, this could include 7th density wanderers, 100th density, nth density, and they are all contradictions, for all boils down to paradoxes which are catalysts for Choosing, which is the purpose of this density.
And so one cannot really deem someone wrong or right in an universal way, but of course you can subjectively, and I respect and honor your decision, for it is a part of the infinite. This reasoning is of course also a paradox.

Peace and love to you, my friend. Thank you for being you.

lowki: How can you get away from the fundamental binary orgin of robotics?
Right/Wrong, 1/0.
Naturally, you can build a whole universe upon binary logic, but I have a strong feeling that the smallest part of the infinite in an universal sense do not contain exclusively binary values, although binary is of course a representation of a fractal universe which ours is. Ie, all points of the infinite contains all, One is All.
A binary value in its most fundamental form cannot contain a self-contradiction, only True or False, yet logic itself can be contradicted fundamentally in this existence.
If our world was made in binary logic, or could be made in such, it could not be contradicted. There would only be absolute true logic.

And thus I do not see the purpose of making us cyborgs, for we already contain the binary part of the universe. We are part of One is All and binary is included therein.

As binary contains All, this naturally leads to the idea where one can conclude that all is made of binary. Perhaps your thoughts spring from this idea?

[yossarian]

Ayadew, while there are infinite possibilities, I think it's overintellectualizing to take Lowki at his word.

You don't have to be Edgar Cayce to see that Lowki has some serious psychological issues. I actually I think it would be cruel to say nothing, or to string him along.

The elephant in the room is that this thread is about a relatively down-to-earth sort of group of humans working in co-operation, not about trying to create the BORG by schizophrenicly converting numbers between bases.

You are mincing words out of a desire to be compassionate. Sometimes being compassionate means pointing out wisdom and being forceful in it. Compassion should not be confused with meekness.

I'm not kidding at all, and I say this with nothing but love and sincere concern for my wandering brother Lowki. Lowki - get your feet back on Gaia. Go hug a tree. The intellect can become a prison.

[ayadew]

If you find this the best course of action, then I must allow it and respect it, for who am I to deem it wrong. Simultaneously, my friend, I must allow and respect the ideas of lowki. And thus I can do nothing but to wish/intend a more loving and harmonious life in the way you feel meaningful.

Personally, I also struggle with too much intellect/wisdom in my everyday business, overanalysing and pondering things too deep. I currently try to find the love in each moment, and that's a lesson of a lifetime.

[fairyfarmgirl]

Good Greetings!
Personally, I also struggle with too much intellect/wisdom in my everyday business, overanalysing and pondering thi[i]ngs too deep. I currently try to find the love in each moment, and that's a lesson of a lifetime[/i]

Absolutely my dear one, This is the task of this life here. It is a constant and persistent challenge to find Love in every moment.

fairyfarmgirl

[ayadew]

Hello fairyfarmgirl. Your loving intention is very dear to me. Walk in joy, my friend

[Bring4th_Steve]

I think the sensationalism of Lowki's post has caused some of us to forget that there will always be systems created to express parts of the Creator. Whether these systems fail because they are not grounded 100% in love or because they wind down a dead-end path is something that must be explored by its designer/leader and followers of the system. On the path of each system are the lessons and catalysts to help those who resonate exactly with that system, no matter how delusional or quirky it might seem to those who believe in more mainstream concepts.

Similar to our STS brothers and sisters, the soul will ultimately realize it cannot maintain an STS path at some point and must flip polarity at a higher density. I feel the same is true for these creative belief systems. Let's not call anyone tricksters or "brainiacs" with too much intellectual investment in a flawed or limited idea. Remember that these ideas are reflections of ourselves expressed through others, even if we are not outwardly resonating them in our daily existence. The important thing to remember is that these systems exist to help people learn and to be presented with enough catalyst for each believer to find their equilibrium of the day.

Only when someone decides to move outside the box to compare their belief to another system will they have the chance to decide whether their current system is working for them. In short, who's to judge that someone needs to be 100% committed to the "Borg" model in order to see that it's ultimately not a viable belief system, and that when it was compared to something like The Law of One, the person experienced the proper chain of catalyst to become a devout LOO subscriber? See where I'm going with this?

[fairyfarmgirl]

I think the sensationalism of Lowki's post has caused some of us to forget that there will always be systems created to express parts of the Creator. Whether these systems fail because they are not grounded 100% in love or because they wind down a dead-end path is something that must be explored by its designer/leader and followers of the system. On the path of each system are the lessons and catalysts to help those who resonate exactly with that system, no matter how delusional or quirky it might seem to those who believe in more mainstream concepts.

Similar to our STS brothers and sisters, the soul will ultimately realize it cannot maintain an STS path at some point and must flip polarity at a higher density. I feel the same is true for these creative belief systems. Let's not call anyone tricksters or "brainiacs" with too much intellectual investment in a flawed or limited idea. Remember that these ideas are reflections of ourselves expressed through others, even if we are not outwardly resonating them in our daily existence. The important thing to remember is that these systems exist to help people learn and to be presented with enough catalyst for each believer to find their equilibrium of the day.

Only when someone decides to move outside the box to compare their belief to another system will they have the chance to decide whether their current system is working for them. In short, who's to judge that someone needs to be 100% committed to the "Borg" model in order to see that it's ultimately not a viable belief system, and that when it was compared to something like The Law of One, the person experienced the proper chain of catalyst to become a devout LOO subscriber? See where I'm going with this?

Thank you Bring 4th Steve, you have reminded me to return to my center. I have deleted my post.

fairyfarmgirl

[Bring4th_Steve]

Oops! I didn't mean for you to go to that extent, fairyfarmgirl! Your post had valid points and truth that would have been good for others to read, especially when compared to Lowki's post. I was only trying to hint that moving forward it would be helpful to remember that sometimes systems, whether they are aligned with another mindset or not, will serve their own purpose as long as the intention is to ultimately seek the truth.

But if you felt my thoughts were compelling enough to go to the extent of deleting your message, then I give you my deepest thanks for appreciating the viewpoint that I offered.

Cheers!
Steve

[Bring4th_Steve]

Oops! I didn't mean for you to go to that extent, fairyfarmgirl! Your post had valid points and truth that would have been good for others to read, especially when compared to Lowki's post. I was only trying to hint that moving forward it would be helpful to remember that sometimes systems, whether they are aligned with another mindset or not, will serve their own purpose as long as the intention is to ultimately seek the truth.

But if you felt my thoughts were compelling enough to go to the extent of deleting your message, then I give you my deepest thanks for appreciating the viewpoint that I offered.

Cheers!
Steve

[fairyfarmgirl]

Oops! I didn't mean for you to go to that extent, fairyfarmgirl! Your post had valid points and truth that would have been good for others to read, especially when compared to Lowki's post. I was only trying to hint that moving forward it would be helpful to remember that sometimes systems, whether they are aligned with another mindset or not, will serve their own purpose as long as the intention is to ultimately seek the truth.

But if you felt my thoughts were compelling enough to go to the extent of deleting your message, then I give you my deepest thanks for appreciating the viewpoint that I offered.

Cheers!
Steve

Good Greetings:

In the interest in creating unity one must sometimes sacrifice a point or two... the truth will surface again... perhaps with less polarized opinion (sorry I was having a human day)

So in saying that I will say this:

The human design is perfection unto itself. The imperfection is the current social ordering and social sharing we have world wide.

This herein is where the tinkering is necessary.

fairyfarmgirl

[lowki]

If the Borg ever comes to Earth something tells me it won't be created from a grassroots effort, but rather imposed on us by Orions.

I got here via the Orions, I was a part of their priesthood. Though social-memory complex is not what they want you to achieve -- it is my good will that wishes the earth to have it's own before it becomes a part of some other collective mind.

Why bother having binary AND hex representations in your translation table?

AND is the fundamental logical structure that underpins Love.
Love holds the universe together (through chemical and physical bonds), this AND that atom are here, the AND holds them together.

And for that matter, why not just use decimal if you need a unique identifier?
I'm a programmer... you don't need to speak assembly language to talk to computers anymore and you certainly don't need to use hex.

Decimal is not an exponent of 2. i.e. 2, 4, 8, 16

You're trying to write a universal language, a universal syntax by the sounds of it. Hasn't this been done already? Chomsky pretty much cracked the code, did he not?

All chomsky did was of much significance is define parenthesis. Sure he used a lot of arcane mathematical symbols and greek letters to express it, but hardly more than that did he achieve. Though I have to agree that his work was very good in that it was a precursor to the development of modern programming languages.

My purpose with the basic concepts (happiness 0, awareness 1, love 2, freedom 3) is to create an inherent system of meaning that can be used between different sciences.
For instance within linguistics one might say a NP or noun-pharse, what in programming is referred to as an argument.

You want to create a cybernetic mass-consciousness.. the place to start is not on translators - billions have already been spent on that in the publicly available research alone. Google Translate being a free and easy version.

Converting from one analog (natural) language to another does not add meaning, it just increases the amount of volume used to express the same thing.
The purpose of this language is for digital definition of lexicon.

And then among government black ops the real work is already at the point you're talking about and beyond. The BORG is not science fiction, the technology is here today, but it is not being implemented because humanity is protected by God and only is given the amount of adversity that is required to mirror humanity's collective shadow side.

It is not implemented in the Orions or the Grays etc use akashic and crystal storage which is also analog. The BORG -- social-memory-complex -- as in hive mind however is implemented, even among the "STO races" like the Arcturians.
It is the natural progression, yes before 2012 it is not necessary, but once in fourth density it is only a matter of time.

You say you're a 7th density wanderer... such things don't exist. 7th density doesn't wander because 7th density is timeless and has lost all personality and individual consciousness of any kind.

This interview with Alex Collier in 1994 who interacted with blue skinned "Andromedans" mentions that even in this young universe there are 12 densities.

The prime-creator is none, as that is from which we all come. There is no returning, as prime-creator is a part of us all. Infinite-Creator is everything/thought/all, though merging with everything can not be done, as there is only one everything.

In time-space we have the assemblage of patterns that we call I, and it only has information added to it.. This process can go on forever, as the Infinite-Creator is always growing, as we with you create more everything.

This is a wake up call for you my friend... asberger's syndrome is no fun. Your high IQ can be put to better use. I recommend a humanist counseling psychologist.

You label me. Does it make you feel better or higher than I?
I hope it does.
I Love You,
I love and accept all of the infinite-creator
- - or as much of it as my feeble mind can comprehend.

In my subjective reality we perceive an infinite universe where all possibilities exists simultaneously, this could include 7th density wanderers, 100th density, nth density, and they are all contradictions, for all boils down to paradoxes which are catalysts for Choosing, which is the purpose of this density.
And so one cannot really deem someone wrong or right in an universal way, but of course you can subjectively, and I respect and honor your decision, for it is a part of the infinite. This reasoning is of course also a paradox.

Peace and love to you, my friend. Thank you for being you.

Ayadew you are a wonderful person.

lowki: How can you get away from the fundamental binary orgin of robotics?
Right/Wrong, 1/0.

Right and Wrong are relatively complex concepts that require a system.
For instance the system of English.
does it contain the word "blue"? right.
does it contain the word "haladilnik"? wrong.
conversely "haladilnik" is a transliteration of the word refrigerator in Russian. correct.

Naturally, you can build a whole universe upon binary logic, but I have a strong feeling that the smallest part of the infinite in an universal sense do not contain exclusively binary values, although binary is of course a representation of a fractal universe which ours is. Ie, all points of the infinite contains all, One is All.
A binary value in its most fundamental form cannot contain a self-contradiction, only True or False, yet logic itself can be contradicted fundamentally in this existence.
If our world was made in binary logic, or could be made in such, it could not be contradicted. There would only be absolute true logic.

boolean expression "true" or "false" is but one of many applications of binary numbers.

My definition of 0 is nothing, better known as the prime-creator, from which all has been created -- think black, the first entity (before big-bang).
The definition of 1 in this context being the negation of 0 -- think white, the first action/density (awareness).
The definition of 2 is AND or Love.
The definition of 3 is OR or choice.

So with every choice the infinite-creator explores both possibilities, though you and I with a linear time-perspective might only explore one physically.

And thus I do not see the purpose of making us cyborgs, for we already contain the binary part of the universe. We are part of One is All and binary is included therein.

I used to live in an old universe where I had a cyborg body. It was a lot of fun. Nostalgia leads me toward reunification with that part of myself or the infinite-creator.

As binary contains All, this naturally leads to the idea where one can conclude that all is made of binary. Perhaps your thoughts spring from this idea?

Perhaps, though my main interest is in the practical applications of binary -- digital information.

So that we with you can better understand the infinite-creator.

Ayadew, while there are infinite possibilities, I think it's overintellectualizing to take Lowki at his word.

Allow others to be intellectual(yellow-ray) even if that is not your in your life path.

You don't have to be Edgar Cayce to see that Lowki has some serious psychological issues. I actually I think it would be cruel to say nothing, or to string him along.

The elephant in the room is that this thread is about a relatively down-to-earth sort of group of humans working in co-operation, not about trying to create the BORG by schizophrenicly converting numbers between bases.

Again I hope it makes you feel better to label me and see me as something other than yourself and a part of the infinite-creator.

I'm not kidding at all, and I say this with nothing but love and sincere concern for my wandering brother Lowki. Lowki - get your feet back on Gaia. Go hug a tree. The intellect can become a prison.

I hug trees regularly and understand the importance of grounding through love of the infinte-creator in all its manifestations -- rocks, plants, animals, people. I communicate with the mother earth Gaia at times and regularly draw on her energies whilst meditating on energy/chakras and the like.

I have a beautiful and loving girl-friend and we partake in many experiences of happiness, awareness(learning), love and freedom(choice-making).
May your life be full of pleasure as you can understand mine is.

*blows a kiss*


Thank you for being you.
To remind me of who I am.
*hugs*
In the infinite-creator we are all one.

[yossarian]

You misread my thing about hex and binary. What is the point in having number representations of both hex, but also including binary, in the same table? Why not just use hex, or just use decimal for that matter?

Your explanation that decimal is not a multiple of 2 is totally nonsensical. What does that have to do with anything? Our computer technology is sophisticated far beyond the point of being limited by number bases. You can use any base you want to communicate with even the most primitive computers that humans have. So why worry about base at all?

If you're saying you're from 7th density out of 12, that is clearly where the confusion on that issue arose. The Bring 4th community is based around the Ra material and so we naturally assumed you were talking about 7th density in Ra's system which is out of 8 instead of 12.

When you say I'm just trying to make myself feel better by pointing out that you fit the characteristics of someone with psychological disorder, does that make YOU feel better? I sure turned that one back around on you didn't I? Punk'd!!

Two can play at this game!

There is no benefit in the field of cybernetics in assigning words to numbers. There is just no benefit. This doesn't help computers understand anything. It's just another language that uses numbers instead of nouns and operators instead of prepositions. It does not make your language meaningful to computers in any way.

I'm a technology person, and a psychology person, and so if your work/idea makes sense to anyone, it should make sense to people who understand how computers work. You keep talking about analog vs. digital. Anyone who understands computers understands that the separation of analog and digital is entirely arbitrary and meaningless for the purposes you are speaking of. Digital is actually a word that we use to indicate that a physical system approximates a mathematical system with a very low rate of failure.

The difference between analog and digital is the probability that a particular circuit will fail to replicate human mathematical abstractions. For your purposes of creating meaning and communication there is no important distinction between analog and digital, unless you are using the word digital in some other way that is non-standard usage.

I have faith that the stuff you're saying makes sense to you, and I give you the benefit of the doubt that the stuff you say makes sense to you, but unfortunately when I give you this benefit of the doubt, my opinion is to conclude that you are somewhat insane.

Not that there is anything wrong with being insane.

I respect you for who you are, and I appreciate who you are as a child of God and as a reflection of myself. However, since I also respect who I am as a child of God, and I respect my own expertise, I feel a sense of duty to point out these facts in your presence. Two seemingly conflicting opinions, and yet not really! Another divine paradox!

If you are truly looking for any kind of system that integrates with technology (meaning mathematical systems and the representation of those mathematical systems in the physical world using various devices whether it is crystals, vacuum tubes, or silicon transistors) ...if you are truly trying to integrate human experience with computers in some kind of AI you are pretty much barking up the wrong tree.

So anyway that's my polemic. Feel free to disregard. I maintain my opinion that you take lots of recreational drugs.

[ayadew]

Hello lowki. Even though our subjective realities differ to the extent that I am unable to answer your thoughts, I see you as a wonderful and unique person. Walk in love, my friend.

[Phoenix]

I've been thinking a lot about starting my own religion.

My first sort of 'question' I've been working out is whether dream recall is useful to everyone or in fact not so useful to some. I've been very confused with my dreams lately.

I'd like to do my own scientific studies on the subject.

Anyway, peace out.

[lowki]

Your explanation that decimal is not a multiple of 2 is totally nonsensical. What does that have to do with anything? Our computer technology is sophisticated far beyond the point of being limited by number bases. You can use any base you want to communicate with even the most primitive computers that humans have. So why worry about base at all?

Something that is exponent of 2 is rounder and softer on the mind. Extending from Ying and Yang, one naturally finds oneself requiring numbers that can easily be divisible by two.
What is a quarter of decimal? a decimal 2.5 "yuck", What is a quarter of hexadecimal "4" now that's beautiful.
Hexadecimal is more beautiful mathematically.

If you're saying you're from 7th density out of 12, that is clearly where the confusion on that issue arose. The Bring 4th community is based around the Ra material and so we naturally assumed you were talking about 7th density in Ra's system which is out of 8 instead of 12.

The densities are still the same, there just happen to be densities above those which Ra mentioned. The Pleiadeans are well aware of this 12 density system, just as they mention there are at least 12 chakra's.

There is no benefit in the field of cybernetics in assigning words to numbers. There is just no benefit. This doesn't help computers understand anything. It's just another language that uses numbers instead of nouns and operators instead of prepositions. It does not make your language meaningful to computers in any way.

The language is more extensible -- as it is oligosynthetic. Say a word like and-area 26 is the word for "at". if you think of it as the anded-area me and this text box, is like saying I am at the text box.
I have a list of over a hundred definitions already though I will spare you the read through alpha-stage development dictionary.

I'm a technology person, and a psychology person, and so if your work/idea makes sense to anyone, it should make sense to people who understand how computers work. You keep talking about analog vs. digital. Digital is actually a word that we use to indicate that a physical system approximates a mathematical system with a very low rate of failure.

So it is digital if information could be transfered with a very low rate of mis-understanding.
You have definitely understood digital in the way that I intended.

Not that there is anything wrong with being insane.

As a computer person you might understand that programs consider a compiler "insane" if it does not have the correct libraries to understand the program.
Your claim at a lack of comprehension would imply that you are compiler insane.
Though that can be fixed by installing compatible information libraries.

Though be calm, as the only way the psychiatric facility can detain you in America is if you have mental health insurance
-- in Canada you can only be detained if you are violent (to yourself or others).
Think peaceful happy safe thoughts.

I maintain my opinion that you take lots of recreational drugs.

Are you suggesting that you take or have taken lots of recreational drugs?

I take essential nutrient supplements (choline, vitamin B12, omega-3 flax seed oil) to increase concentration, red blood cells and brain development.
My girlfriend and I are vegetarians.

[yossarian]

We already have thousands of languages we can use to talk to computers -- they are called programming languages -- and some of them are incredibly sophisticated and elegant. Highly advanced AI has been created using these languages.

Just recently in the public domain an artificial human cerebral cortex was created using software -- a mathematical clone of a human brain with molecular resolution -- and it has successfully recovered some human responses.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8012496.stm

All the goals that you mention and all the tech that is required to achieve those goals already exists. These things have been created using normal, widespread scientific techniques that you could learn at any university. Even more stuff has been leaked by black ops people and can be reverse-engineered from them.

The reason humans don't all have cybernetic implants right now is because humans don't want them.

[womaninbliss]

I truly believe that we are all here to learn from each other in equality and respect. Although I personal resonate with the idea of a "mystery school" the concerns expressed by others - hierarchies, elitism and so on, would be of concern to me too. Surely forums such as this, and others out there, can and do perform the function to some extent. Those who wish to learn and to study further teachings will do so by their own means and endeavour. I prefer an eclectic approach where many sources are used and the esoteric writings definitely have varying styles and will appeal to different students - strokes for folks and so on - after all, some of the most spiritually gifted people have never read a book or attended a school in the formal sense (in this life in any case). Some just live their lives in bliss and wonder in nature and love.

Having said all that, I find the idea of a "school" appealing, I too very much lean towards teaching and sharing of knowledge as it is what we are here for after all, imo. I would be willing to support such an endeavour.