Possible confirmations in real world/universe

[dreamliner]

I don't know whether or not there was any similar "dedicated" thread about the real world confirmations of the material from Law of One, but I guess it would be a good idea to accumulate such things under such a thread.

Such a thread could be inspirational both for Law of One students and for the "do you actually believe this stuff" guys ( http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=9929 ).

At the time of Ra contacts, NASA had not sent its rovers to Mars yet, and they did not know for sure that the red planet was watery some time in the past.

After curiosity rover, they had to come to a point that, there were lakes and rivers on mars in the past: http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?feature=4398  http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/0...8U20141208

But there is still a "time frame" issue; ra says the biosphere of mars disintegrated that 3rd density life ended 75.000 years ago, whereas nasa claims that the water existed in mars some billions of years ago.

[βαθμιαίος]

I don't know whether or not there was any similar "dedicated" thread about the real world confirmations of the material from Law of One, but I guess it would be a good idea to accumulate such things under such a thread.

There have been attempts and discussions. Here are some that I remember and/or found by searching.

http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=1350
http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=2878
http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=4371
http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=1872
http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=763
http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=2118

[dreamliner]

From the 1st thread in the list;

Ra's claims about US government UFOs certainly seem more plausible in the internet era than they did to Don, though I don't know of any evidence of factories in Mexico or New Mexico or bases in the Caribbean, off Chile, or at the poles that would be accepted by the mainstream population.

The man-made crafts mentioned in Law of One, might be the ones recorded in these ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRvWRrf__XA ) videos ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_w75vVD7og ). The first one seems like, 11 or more crafts are being transported alltogether by a common remote control. The second one seems like someone is recording the "crash-destruction test" of a craft.

And this footage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFGHXbvsw30 ) might be about the object that is stated as had been given to the Russians, although the date does not match exactly. Perhaps, this footage was just an "advertisement/show" towards "the west" by USSR/CCCP at those times.

Why would anyone want to have such a vehicle travelling at such huge speeds, for transportation, if it would be used only on & around earth? Other than extreme g-forces imposed on the pilot or on passengers, there might be some ill effects the "propulsion" system have on living organisms still to be resolved. Therefore, Don Elkins was a bit wrong with his guess/question about the usage for transport: http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?s=8#8

It's quite logical to produce a vehicle, which can travel at half the speed of light, as a kinetic bomb only ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativistic_kill_vehicle ). As the speed of an object increases, the destruction that it would cause when it hits something increases tremendously as well. The destruction that such a craft would cause would be in the level of nuclear bombs, I guess. Electromagnetic gun uses the same principle ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railgun ).

[dreamliner]

The "objects" seemingly thrown from earth in this video ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhkWzrnD0DQ ) might also be the man-made UFOs.

[dreamliner]

It should be noted for future reference that, perhaps rosetta was/is one of the remnants of maldek: https://www.sciencenews.org/article/rose...ngredients

[Spaced]

Rosetta is the name of the space craft, the comet is named 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko (quite a mouthful innit?). Like most comets 67P originated in the Kuiper belt which extends beyond the orbit of the known planets.

For remnants of Maldek I would look instead to the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter, including bodies such as the dwarf planet Ceres or the asteroids Vesta, Pallas, Hygiea, etc.

[andreazzi]

Nasa has recently discovered what seems to be a force field surrounding Earth, which is responsible for life development here on Earth:

http://www.gizmag.com/van-allen-barrier/34960/

It is clearly an indication of a terraformation process developed on Earth by other highly advanced "social memory complex".

[dreamliner]

Rosetta is the name of the space craft, the comet is named 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko (quite a mouthful innit?). Like most comets 67P originated in the Kuiper belt which extends beyond the orbit of the known planets.

For remnants of Maldek I would look instead to the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter, including bodies such as the dwarf planet Ceres or the asteroids Vesta, Pallas, Hygiea, etc.

Thanks for correction.

I tend to not take that "kuiper belt origin explanation/hypothesis" as the solid fact, because many such concepts in astronomy/planetary science are hypotheses yet, not facts.

In addition to that; currrent mainstream view do not accept "The Phaeton hypothesis" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phaeton_%2..._planet%29 ), which could have given rise to some other hypotheses with regard to the origin of that comet.

Asteroid belt, of course, is the main location to look for the remnants of maldek. However, due to the disintegration/explosion energy, comets like 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko might have begun wandering on different trajectories (than other asteroid belt objects) just after disintegration/explosion of the planet. Those different trajectories may look like as if 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko had originated from kuiper belt.

[dreamliner]

Life in our stellar system, is governed by the habitable zone concept ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumstel...table_zone ), which practically holds true for all stellar systems in universe. Our scientific knowledge reached an understanding about sun's age & lifetime and the possible habiteable zone in the system.

According to Law of One;

* venus was Ra's home-planet 2.6 billion years ago when they were human-like entities,
* there was an additional planet (maldek) in the system, which was destroyed by its humans 705.000 years ago,
* there was 3rd density life in mars and it ceased to exist due to the disintegration of the planet's biosphere resulting from a nuclear war 75.000 years ago,
* and uranus has a potential to support life in far future (not discussed in Law of One but most probably before/during the red giant stage of the sun).

Our sun, as other similar stars, will go through different stages in its lifetime. As a result of the changes ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumstel..._evolution ) in sun's radius & luminosity ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_luminosity ) (radiant heat, which is the only known mechanism of energy/heat transfer from sun to the planets) in time, the habitable zone ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Habit...e_-_HZ.png ) in solar system has been shifting (and will shift in future) from inner radiuses to outer radiuses.

It seems nasa has discovered that venus also was watery in the distant past:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/...earth.html

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/...f6392082=1

[Stranger]

I recall reading a news story several years ago (probably somewhere between 7-10) about the murder of an individual who claimed to have developed a free-energy device. The story was in a legitimate mainstream news source. The device used a series of "membranes" to trap virtual electrons and prevent them from colliding with virtual protons and annihilating. As a consequence, they became "real" (non-virtual) electrons. Through combining a series of these membranes, any desired potential could be generated. The story noted that he had previously demonstrated the device's ability to generate power beyond what it itself required to operate, and was scheduled to present it at a major conference in a few days. None of his belongings were taken during an apparently execution-style murder on the street. This was somewhere in Europe.

I wish I had saved the article - but perhaps a resourceful bring4ther will be able to dig it up.

[Diana]

I recall reading a news story several years ago (probably somewhere between 7-10) about the murder of an individual who claimed to have developed a free-energy device. The story was in a legitimate mainstream news source. The device used a series of "membranes" to trap virtual electrons and prevent them from colliding with virtual protons and annihilating. As a consequence, they became "real" (non-virtual) electrons. Through combining a series of these membranes, any desired potential could be generated. The story noted that he had previously demonstrated the device's ability to generate power beyond what it itself required to operate, and was scheduled to present it at a major conference in a few days. None of his belongings were taken during an apparently execution-style murder on the street. This was somewhere in Europe.

I wish I had saved the article - but perhaps a resourceful bring4ther will be able to dig it up.

I would love to read that article. I'm already wondering about osmosis, and electrons popping in and out of existence, and how the membranes deal with this. My mind is whirling. If anyone finds this article, please post it.

[Stranger]

A quick Google search located the "suppression by murder" section on this webpage:
http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/in...&Itemid=60

[dreamliner]

The discovery of exoplanets is not exactly/fully a "confirmation", but nevertheless, can be regarded as so, tangentially. Because some skeptics were arguing -before 1990s/2000s-against "extraterrestrials" or "ufo" phenomenon, by using the absence of exoplanets discovered. At the time of Ra contacts, there was no any exoplanet discovered ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methods_of...ds_Bar.png ) ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kepler_%28...140226.png ). In time, especially after 1995, and after Kepler telescope in 2009, the exoplanet discoveries gained momentum. The number of exoplanets discovered, increased to more than 1800, as of the end of 2014.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methods_of...exoplanets

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_po...exoplanets

http://www.nasa.gov/press/2015/january/n...Kwu-CvF-Ag

[dreamliner]

A "speculation", which would be also tangential, could be made about the sirius entities involved in pascagoula abduction: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascagoula_Abduction

http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=hickson&o=s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3O9m0xDa6U

38.8 Questioner: I was wondering if that particular social memory complex from the Sirius star evolved from trees?

Ra: I am Ra. This approaches correctness. Those second-density vegetation forms which graduated into third density upon this planet bearing the name of Dog were close to the tree as you know it.

Sirius -known as dog star- is actually a binary star system; that is there are two stars in the system, coupled gravitationally. The one known as sirius A ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirius#Sirius_A ) is a young and also the brightest star in our sky. Sirius B is a collapsed white dwarf.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirius

Despite the estimated age of the system is 200-300 million years old (which can be regarded as young) and there has been no planet discovered in the system yet; there still may be planets circling around these two stars. Similar to the excess oxygen's role ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambrian_e...gen_levels ) during cambrian explosion on earth ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambrian_explosion ), the intrinsic luminosity of sirius A (25 times more luminous than the Sun) might have resulted in the evolution of vegetation to progress in an accelerated fashion, which in the end might have given rise to 2nd density tree-like life-forms to become the 3rd density life-forms ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photosynthesis ). Apart from the luminosity, other factors might have contributed to such an evolution as well; such as the distance to the star, chemical/material composition of the planet etc.

[dreamliner]

It might be needed to be confirmed from some other reliable sources, but it seems that the number of stars were estimated to be 40 billion only by the time of 1980s.

http://blogs.reuters.com/gregg-easterbro...-universe/

The number disclosed by Law of One was 250 billion, and it is pretty much similar to the current estimation by astronomy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milky_Way#Contents

28.8 Questioner: Let’s take as an example the planet that we are on now and tell me how much of the creation was created by the same Logos that created this planet?

Ra: I am Ra. This planetary Logos is a strong Logos creating approximately two hundred fifty billion [250,000,000,000] of your star systems for Its creation. The, shall we say, laws or physical ways of this creation will remain, therefore, constant.

[Bluebell]

But there is still a "time frame" issue; Ra says the biosphere of mars disintegrated 75.000 years ago, whereas nasa claims that the water existed in mars some billions of years ago.

how is that conflicting info? did NASA say the last time water existed was then?

[dreamliner]

Generally, when NASA says "some billions of years ago", it means "not after then". And logically, had NASA wanted to impose some flexibility on the time frame, then they would say that "we discovered that there was water in mars some billions of years ago, but we don't know when it disappeared/vanished".

[Bluebell]

eh, i don't trust NASA. they lie & i think 75 000 years is too close to admitting aliens exist. when u say billions it's far away enough to feel abstract & people don't start freaking out about aliens.

[dreamliner]

The current scientific knowledge does not see sunken continents as a possibility.

However, it may change in near future: https://www.sciencenews.org/article/geol...underbelly

[βαθμιαίος]

The current scientific knowledge does not see sunken continents as a possibility.

However, it may change in near future: https://www.sciencenews.org/article/geol...underbelly

That would be cool, but the synopsis doesn't mention sinking, only sliding.

[dreamliner]

The current scientific knowledge does not see sunken continents as a possibility.

However, it may change in near future: https://www.sciencenews.org/article/geol...underbelly

That would be cool, but the synopsis doesn't mention sinking, only sliding.

That's why I said "may change".

Logically, for a continent to sink;
1- a giant hotspot beneath it should form for some reason
2- that hotspot should melt the substructure
3- with the help of the continent's weight, and gravity, the melted material should be transferred to other/neigbouring locations "gradually", so that when the substructure is emptied "gradually", the continent can sink "gradually"

It should also be noted that, gravity is not uniform and constant all over the earth: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_of...nt_gravity

[Bring4th_Austin]

Hey dreamliner, in regards to the biosphere of Mars becoming nonviable due to war 75,000 years ago, do you remember which passage from the Ra material leads to this conclusion? As far as I understand it, Ra says the transfer of Mars entities happened 75,000 years ago, which makes sense considering the correlation to the beginning of our own third density. I don't recall Ra ever giving an exact timeline of when Mars had its third density cycle and I can't find anything about it now. Any ideas?

[dreamliner]

eh, i don't trust NASA. they lie & i think 75 000 years is too close to admitting aliens exist. when u say billions it's far away enough to feel abstract & people don't start freaking out about aliens.

it seems that there have already been several dedicated articles about the "ancient" water:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_on_Mars

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noachian

[dreamliner]

Hey dreamliner, in regards to the biosphere of Mars becoming nonviable due to war 75,000 years ago, do you remember which passage from the Ra material leads to this conclusion?  As far as I understand it, Ra says the transfer of Mars entities happened 75,000 years ago, which makes sense considering the correlation to the beginning of our own third density. I don't recall Ra ever giving an exact timeline of when Mars had its third density cycle and I can't find anything about it now. Any ideas?

if you suggest that there might have been a time gap in between the cessation of life on Mars and the trasnfer of Mars entitites to earth, that's not likely.

The dialogues in Law of One about mars imply that, the transfer from mars had been realised just after the disintegration of biosphere the the end of 3D life. There might have been 100 or 1000 years at most, in between; but not billions, millions or even hundreds of thousands years.

Otherwise, as with maldek case, Ra would have mentioned the "time gap", if there had been any.

Also, had earth not been available when life on mars ceased to exist, then mars entities would have been transferred to another 3rd density planet in another exosolar planetary system.

[Bring4th_Austin]

Hey dreamliner, in regards to the biosphere of Mars becoming nonviable due to war 75,000 years ago, do you remember which passage from the Ra material leads to this conclusion?  As far as I understand it, Ra says the transfer of Mars entities happened 75,000 years ago, which makes sense considering the correlation to the beginning of our own third density. I don't recall Ra ever giving an exact timeline of when Mars had its third density cycle and I can't find anything about it now. Any ideas?

if you suggest that there might have been a time gap in between the cessation of life on Mars and the trasnfer of Mars entitites to earth, that's not likely.

The dialogues in Law of One about mars imply that, the transfer from mars had been realised just after the disintegration of biosphere. There might have been 100 or 1000 years at most, in between; but not billions, millions or even hundreds of thousands years.

Otherwise, as with maldek case, Ra would have mentioned the "time gap", if there had been any.

Also, had earth not been available when life on mars ceased to exist, then mars entities would have been transferred to another 3rd density planet in another exosolar planetary system.

I'm not sure I agree with that. Which passages exactly do you think imply that the transfer happened directly after the disintegration of the biosphere?

I don't think it is out of the question that Ra would have failed to mention a time gap if it were not directly asked by Don. Ra did divulge some information which they weren't asked about, but not always. 

And as for them waiting for Earth to be viable before they incarnate, the fact that Earth and Mars would share the same archetypal mind is more than enough for me to feel like this would be more ideal than them being transferred to another planetary system.

None of it is known, but I don't think there is enough information in the material to say that Mars was viable for life 75,000 years ago.

[dreamliner]

I should correct myself; "disintegration of biosphere" seems as peculiar to maldek, not mars: http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=biosphere

which means mars may still have some sort of "biosphere", but not 3rd density life.

Nearly all passages about mars, imply that the transfer had been realised just after the hospitable conditions ended on mars:

http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=mars&o=s

"closer logoi are closer in archetypes": http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=c...0&l=30&o=s

and thumb is not peculiar to our sun: http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=thumb

Also, considering that there are 13 minor planetary groups in the world ( http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=t...0&l=30&o=s ), in addition to maldek, mars and deneb; it would not have been so difficult & impossible to transfer mars humans to another planet in a nearby exosolar planetary system, if 3d life on mars had ended hundreds of thousands, millions or billions years ago.

I don't think that any spirit or group of spirits would prefer to wait hundreds of thousands, millions or billions years just to attain/obtain "ideal" conditions on earth. Because in the end, 3rd density is quite short compared to other densities: http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=s...0&l=30&o=s

And finally, primates have been on earth for at least 50 million years ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primate ); which means that had mars' 3rd density life ended long before 75.000 years ago, there were already 2nd density bodies on earth to be transfigurated into 3rd density bodies.

[AnthroHeart]

I haven't had proof of concept experiences that evidently prove the Law of One to me. So I still take that on faith. But Ra says that faith is strong. It's indigo ray I believe.

I wonder if Ra has to take faith in certain things, or if they know everything that they're doing.

The only proof I have that there is a Logos is myself and others.

[dreamliner]

Don't worry austin, I don't think that "liquid water on mars extinguished a billion year ago" theory/hypothesis ( https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:..._Mars.jpeg ) is correct.

These deformed pyramids in cydonia, do not look like a billion or a million years old:

http://www.enterprisemission.com/images/sheep4.jpg

http://www.enterprisemission.com/images/sheep2.jpg

http://bearfabrique.org/Catastrophism/de...age006.jpg