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    Thread: Breaking the Cycle of Reincarnation


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    10-29-2014, 04:31 PM (This post was last modified: 10-30-2014, 01:45 PM by Sabou.)
    (10-29-2014, 02:47 AM)Law of One Wrote: Ra: I am Ra. These are planetary entities harvested — Wanderers only in the sense that they chose, in fourth-density love, to immediately reincarnate in third density rather than proceeding towards fourth density. This causes them to be Wanderers of a type, Wanderers who have never left the Earth plane because of their free will rather than because of their vibrational level.

    (10-29-2014, 02:47 AM)Law of One Wrote: 21.10 ↥ Questioner: When incarnation ceases to become automatic I am assuming that the entity can decide when he needs to reincarnate for the benefit of his own learning. Does he also select his parents?

    Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

    I have been thinking, I of course want to move on to fourth density and progress with my learning/teaching of love, but I have tried to imagine on the other side of the veil what choice I would make regarding reincarnation. In fourth-density love, you might realize that there is someone or many ones who you wish to stay behind until they too may progress to this density. Though, I do feel this is still 100% your decision, but if you are in the state of fourth-density love than this may be a likely choice - possibly. On the other hand, if you feel you have done enough and can work more vigilantly in the fourth density than it may likely be your choice to move on and do work in that density. I guess all in all, it will come down to where your love and heart and vibration is and these factors will be making your choice.
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    #32
    10-30-2014, 12:51 PM
    Another question, if higher density beings live in a state of perpetual bliss and peace, then how is that balanced?

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    10-30-2014, 01:23 PM
    (10-30-2014, 12:51 PM)Folk-love Wrote: Another question, if higher density beings live in a state of perpetual bliss and peace, then how is that balanced?

    Probably by occasionally wandering and incarnating in 3D for awhile. They might wonder about sadness and despair.

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    10-30-2014, 04:54 PM (This post was last modified: 10-30-2014, 04:56 PM by anagogy.)
    (10-30-2014, 12:51 PM)Folk-love Wrote: Another question, if higher density beings live in a state of perpetual bliss and peace, then how is that balanced?

    The higher degrees of harmony present in the higher densities are a function of becoming less distorted, so perception of oneness is less impeded.

    However, even in the more etiolated realms, catalyst is relative. Compared to our density, they are far more harmonious. However, as I said, the catalyst is relative, so higher density catalyst affects them differently than it would us. The higher your vibration, the faster your energy moves, and the faster you energy moves, the more strongly even a little bit of resistance affects you.

    Consider how fast an airplane moves, as an analogy. In the air, it is mostly a smooth, free flowing ride. Put that same airplane on the ground at those speeds, where there is resistance, and the experience will be a much different one.

    Even here, in our 3rd density physical environment, if you consistently find yourself vibrating in the higher ranges of yellow ray catalyst, meaning you are in a free flowing state of joy and happiness most of the time, negative catalyst will hit you much harder in that state than it would if you were consistently vibrating there. You become more sensitive you see. In the same way that miners in the olden days would bring canaries down into mines to see if there were toxic fumes (as the canaries body was a more sensitive instrument for the catalyst involved), the more higher vibrating your spirit becomes, the more sensitive you become to the catalyst that is there.

    The appearance changes, and the challenges become more subtle, but the balance is there.
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    10-30-2014, 05:35 PM (This post was last modified: 10-30-2014, 05:46 PM by AnthroHeart.)
    I can't imagine how it is when a 4D positive has to do battle with a 4D negative in ways we cannot even imagine. Thought wars must get pretty violent. Knowledge is universal without the veil, so the negatives really know how to be negative. If a 4D is more sensitive to catalyst, it must get pretty extreme.

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    10-30-2014, 08:26 PM
    It's also a lot of fun to do that kind of battle and the ones engaged in it are usually well-suited to it.
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    10-30-2014, 11:35 PM
    (10-30-2014, 04:54 PM)anagogy Wrote: Even here, in our 3rd density physical environment, if you consistently find yourself vibrating in the higher ranges of yellow ray catalyst, meaning you are in a free flowing state of joy and happiness most of the time, negative catalyst will hit you much harder in that state than it would if you were consistently vibrating there. You become more sensitive you see.

    I always thought it was the exact opposite. I thought so called negative catalyst would have little effect on you if you were vibrating at a fast rate. How great is the vibratory difference between a 3d human and say a 4d entity?

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    10-31-2014, 01:30 AM (This post was last modified: 10-31-2014, 01:37 AM by anagogy.)
    (10-30-2014, 11:35 PM)Folk-love Wrote: I always thought it was the exact opposite. I thought so called negative catalyst would have little effect on you if you were vibrating at a fast rate. How great is the vibratory difference between a 3d human and say a 4d entity?

    Well, going back to the airplane analogy, as you approach those faster speeds, you are normally in a space far removed from such human level of negativity, or resistance, but if you get close enough to the negativity, for whatever reason, it will hit you much harder. Hitting a tree at 10 mph, and hitting a tree at 50 mph are a very different scenarios. Faster energy makes what little resistance there is more problematic. The energy has to be more pure, and free flowing, to accommodate the faster moving vibration.

    So in a sense you are right, in that the more you stay up to speed with your higher vibration, the less negative catalyst you will experience (since thoughts are what create your experience), but your whole perception of positive/negative is a relative sliding scale, so what were once only mildly negative ranges are now really negative for you.

    Like if you were vibrating in depression all the time, anger would actually feel somewhat positive to you, because there is some measure of power in anger that is not present in depression. If you were vibrating in joy all the time, anger would feel absolutely horrendous to you by comparison. It all becomes relative. The faster your energy becomes, the more powerful your thoughts become, and you don't have as much leeway to think "sloppily".

    This is also why wanderers often have a such a hard time on earth. Even though they become completely the creature of 3rd density, the overlays of subconscious memories of higher density harmony creates a situation where the catalyst of yellow ray is like jumping into a pool of ice cold water. They tend to not handle the catalyst of this density better than a normal 3rd density incarnate would, hence Ra talking about the mental and physical disabilities wanderers often face, such as personality disorders and what not.

    I don't think I would be able to accurately characterize or quantify the vibratory difference between a 4D entity and a 3D entity, but it is large enough to entail a complete shift in perspective of reality, so it is quite a substantial vibratory distance between the two.
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    10-31-2014, 01:56 AM (This post was last modified: 10-31-2014, 02:04 AM by Billy.)
    (10-31-2014, 01:30 AM)anagogy Wrote:
    (10-30-2014, 11:35 PM)Folk-love Wrote: I always thought it was the exact opposite. I thought so called negative catalyst would have little effect on you if you were vibrating at a fast rate. How great is the vibratory difference between a 3d human and say a 4d entity?

    Well, going back to the airplane analogy, as you approach those faster speeds, you are normally in a space far removed from such human level of negativity, or resistance, but if you get close enough to the negativity, for whatever reason, it will hit you much harder. Hitting a tree at 10 mph, and hitting a tree at 50 mph are a very different scenarios. Faster energy makes what little resistance there is more problematic. The energy has to be more pure, and free flowing, to accommodate the faster moving vibration.

    So in a sense you are right, in that the more you stay up to speed with your higher vibration, the less negative catalyst you will experience (since thoughts are what create your experience), but your whole perception of positive/negative is a relative sliding scale, so what were once only mildly negative ranges are now really negative for you.

    Like if you were vibrating in depression all the time, anger would actually feel somewhat positive to you, because there is some measure of power in anger that is not present in depression. If you were vibrating in joy all the time, anger would feel absolutely horrendous to you by comparison. It all becomes relative. The faster your energy becomes, the more powerful your thoughts become, and you don't have as much leeway to think "sloppily".

    This is also why wanderers often have a such a hard time on earth. Even though they become completely the creature of 3rd density, the overlays of subconscious memories of higher density harmony creates a situation where the catalyst of yellow ray is like jumping into a pool of ice cold water. They tend to not handle the catalyst of this density better than a normal 3rd density incarnate would, hence Ra talking about the mental and physical disabilities wanderers often face, such as personality disorders and what not.

    I don't think I would be able to accurately characterize or quantify the vibratory difference between a 4D entity and a 3D entity, but it is large enough to entail a complete shift in perspective of reality, so it is quite a substantial vibratory distance between the two.
    Very interesting and kind of scary. The level of responsibility seems to grow exponentially. Really clear and concise analogies, thanks.
    Is it true though that as your vibration increases you won't attract negative catalyst to yourself? I thought that all catalyst was good/positive and it's a matter of changing your perception to see that. But at the same time certain catalyst is obviously much more preferable. Is there objectivity to negative and positive catalyst to some extent? Or is it all relative as you say?

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    10-31-2014, 02:33 AM
    (10-31-2014, 01:56 AM)Folk-love Wrote: Very interesting and kind of scary. The level of responsibility seems to grow exponentially. Really clear and concise analogies, thanks.
    Is it true though that as your vibration increases you won't attract negative catalyst to yourself? I thought that all catalyst was good/positive and it's a matter of changing your perception to see that. But at the same time certain catalyst is obviously much more preferable. Is there objectivity to negative and positive catalyst to some extent? Or is it all relative as you say?

    As an individual, you will always have preferences.

    You are correct in that from a universal, non-egoic, perspective all catalyst is more or less neutral.

    However, that non ego perspective is a ways off (8th density). As a portion of the one, you are a being of duality. There is wanted, and unwanted. And it is all relative.

    Every time you experience something you don't want, what you do want is vibrationally clarified, whether you consciously understand it or not. Your Higher Self becomes that new and improved "wanted" that catalyst caused you to clarify. So your Higher Self is always instantly becoming the new and improved version of your preferences, since it exists outside of time. It can just ride those preferences to their probable conclusion.

    And this process is critical to your evolution as a soul. You are constantly asking (whether you realized it or not), and source is constantly answering your vibrational requests for improved conditions. You experience what you don't want, and now your Higher Self knows more clearly what you do want. It is an eternal honing and sculpting of your unique vibratory soul pattern.

    Your emotions arise as the interference pattern between the frequency of your higher self, and your lower self. Though I don't much like those terms because one is not actually "higher" or "lower", it would be more accurate to say, functionally, one is the "broader self" and the one is the "more specifically focused self".

    So when your thoughts are purely focused on what life has vibrationally clarified you to "prefer" or "want", you will feel good as you activate thoughts of the presence of that. And if your thoughts stray from that, to any significant degree, towards the "lack of what is wanted", you will feel negative emotional catalyst. The thoughts, which are just attention, begin the manifestation of these things life has carved out for you, vibrationally, and if your thoughts could approach the purity of faith required, your foci would manifest in your life experience. The broader self holds the vibration of all these "preferences" you've collected. And to the degree you meld your thoughts with that vibrational "template" that reality must then become your reality.

    So to the degree you tune to what you perceive to be positivity, negativity will cease to be activated as a manifestation in your experience.

    So there is nothing wrong with desire, and having preferences. It is what being an individual is all about. Oftentimes, it is not the catalyst itself that we despise, but the interpretation that we have about it. So often, the clarity we are really reaching for, is a new way of looking at something that is bothering us, rather than it simply being gone from our experience.

    But some parts of the creation are not designed to be harmonious with other parts of the creation:

    "Ra: A portion, seemingly, of the Creator rejoices at your choice to question us regarding the evolution of spirit. A seemingly separate portion would wish for multitudinous answers to a great range of queries of a specific nature. Another seemingly separate group of your peoples would wish this correspondence through this instrument to cease, feeling it to be of a negative nature. Upon the many other planes of existence there are those whose every fiber rejoices at your service and those such as the entity of whom you have been speaking which wish only to terminate the life upon the third-density plane of this instrument. All are the Creator. There is one vast panoply of biases and distortions, colors and hues, in an unending pattern. In the case of those with whom you, as entities and as a group, are not in resonance, you wish them love, light, peace, joy, and bid them well. No more than this can you do for your portion of the Creator is as it is and your experience and offering of experience, to be valuable, needs be more and more a perfect representation of who you truly are. Could you, then, serve a negative entity by offering the instrument’s life? It is unlikely that you would find this a true service. Thus you may see in many cases the loving balance being achieved, the love being offered, light being sent, and the service of the service-to-self oriented entity gratefully acknowledged while being rejected as not being useful in your journey at this time. Thus you serve One Creator without paradox."
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    10-31-2014, 10:00 AM (This post was last modified: 10-31-2014, 10:13 AM by Billy.)
    So it's as simple as focusing on what you want, and improving/honing this focus, and then living it? And those things which simply aren't harmonious from an objective view point can't enter your life? I do imagine that most negative catalyst is simply misperception like you said. What about when you do mess up? Simply apologise,forgive and move on?

    And the feelings of lack, where do they come from?

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    10-31-2014, 03:19 PM (This post was last modified: 10-31-2014, 03:31 PM by anagogy.)
    (10-31-2014, 10:00 AM)Folk-love Wrote: So it's as simple as focusing on what you want, and improving/honing this focus, and then living it? And those things which simply aren't harmonious from an objective view point can't enter your life? I do imagine that most negative catalyst is simply misperception like you said. What about when you do mess up? Simply apologise,forgive and move on?

    And the feelings of lack, where do they come from?

    I wouldn't say it is simple. It sounds simple, but becoming a vibrational match to your higher self is easier said than done. We are human, after all. But when you wobble off the path, rather than beat yourself up, and argue with the evidence of your vibrational state manifesting all around you, simply accept it, and do your best to wobble back on to the path.

    There is an inevitable vector upward though, from lifetime to lifetime. If one fails to release resistance in life, it is released in death, and the next set of incarnational experiences are vibrationally coalesced to create the next stair step to higher vibration.

    And also, you will never completely eradicate contrast from your life. There will always be choices between wanted and unwanted. That is duality.

    But it is a continual refining of vibration which eventually culminates in union with the Logos. This is the evolution through the densities.

    And where do the feelings of lack come from? Our belief system. Our perspective on reality. When you see yourself as less than everything, that is an activation of a vibration of lack. It's all fine and good to intellectually consider ourselves as one with everything, but it falls way short of actually believing that. Because if we really believed that, we would be experiencing it.

    That faith, and eventual knowingness, has to be refined over the course of many densities.

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    10-31-2014, 03:29 PM
    I forgot that reincarnation still takes place in higher densities.

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    11-01-2014, 12:19 PM
    (10-31-2014, 03:29 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I forgot that reincarnation still takes place in higher densities.

    Yes, though the forms are composed of more subtle physical expressions. In each density, the mind, body, and spirit each have a more refined manifestation.

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    11-01-2014, 01:56 PM
    Can we be consciously aware of spirit?

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    11-01-2014, 08:04 PM
    (11-01-2014, 01:56 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Can we be consciously aware of spirit?

    Pure spirit is awareness of awareness, which you might call "beingness" or "intelligent infinity". That is why Ra says the "spirit complex" is "perfected" upon graduation into 3rd density. Awareness becomes aware of being aware.

    So yes, you can be conscious of spirit. In fact there is no other kind of spirit besides the conscious variety.

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    11-04-2014, 05:46 PM (This post was last modified: 11-04-2014, 05:54 PM by kycahi.)
    (10-27-2014, 04:28 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: So reincarnation becomes a want rather than a need?

    In a sense, yes. We gather experiences during these space/time lives. In between them, in time/space, we examine those experiences in fine detail, viewing what our state of mind was and discussing the experiences with others whom we interacted, whether friend or foe in that occasion.

    We do that as long as we want to, re-experiencing time and again. Eventually, I'm guessing, we get bored with the re-examining of old experiences and desire to go back to space/time for brand new ones. Then, pop! into an infant body with nearly all of that forgotten.

    Yes, a part of us remains in time/space to share ideas with others over there. That's the "discarnate" part. It's also the "unmanifested self" that Ra talked about, which you can reach to a degree, unconsciously, during meditation. This is a good/the best benefit of meditation, IMO, because it can prevent our straying too far from the goals we had set for the lifetime.

    This might read like stuff that I made up or got somewhere else, but I read and re-read the LOO and did some inferring from it. The works of Michael Newton, PhD. influenced me, too, but I consider that as helping me understand Ra and not whole new ideas.

    (10-28-2014, 11:42 AM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Oh boy does the veil make it hard to appreciate ourselves as human beings.
    I want to live joyfully in the now. To not be pained by reality.

    For years my depression was well-expressed in my face, which looked either tired, sad or mean. I decided to start smiling at others, even maybe insincerely, in order not to look mean. Well, people smiled back and that became a feedback loop so the smiles stopped being insincere and I got happy again. Smile

    Sometimes, it's the little things that help the most. Wink
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    11-06-2014, 08:27 AM
    I think my next first words will be "Oh phunk, not again...!" and in a split second I will forget and my weird parents whom I will love will hand me an iphone9s to play with. Not the only phunked-up indigo I'll be.

    Honestly though... I love this planet. I love the weight, the flowers, the structure, the challenge of the times, the Creator and sub-creators and The Sun. But I hope my Higher Self knows what it is doing.

    I don't want to repeat anymore. Don't mind incarnating here actually. Just don't need these conditions anymore. Seriously.
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    11-09-2014, 11:29 PM
    (10-30-2014, 04:54 PM)anagogy Wrote:
    (10-30-2014, 12:51 PM)Folk-love Wrote: Another question, if higher density beings live in a state of perpetual bliss and peace, then how is that balanced?

    The higher degrees of harmony present in the higher densities are a function of becoming less distorted, so perception of oneness is less impeded.

    However, even in the more etiolated realms, catalyst is relative. Compared to our density, they are far more harmonious. However, as I said, the catalyst is relative, so higher density catalyst affects them differently than it would us. The higher your vibration, the faster your energy moves, and the faster you energy moves, the more strongly even a little bit of resistance affects you.

    Consider how fast an airplane moves, as an analogy. In the air, it is mostly a smooth, free flowing ride. Put that same airplane on the ground at those speeds, where there is resistance, and the experience will be a much different one.

    Even here, in our 3rd density physical environment, if you consistently find yourself vibrating in the higher ranges of yellow ray catalyst, meaning you are in a free flowing state of joy and happiness most of the time, negative catalyst will hit you much harder in that state than it would if you were consistently vibrating there. You become more sensitive you see. In the same way that miners in the olden days would bring canaries down into mines to see if there were toxic fumes (as the canaries body was a more sensitive instrument for the catalyst involved), the more higher vibrating your spirit becomes, the more sensitive you become to the catalyst that is there.

    The appearance changes, and the challenges become more subtle, but the balance is there.

    i'm a fucking canary! pardon my french.
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