3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview)

[Monica]

Did you know that there is a website promoting services to handle post-rapture financial issues?

that is SOOOO awkward in many levels.

Yeah, no kidding! It was really bizarre. It was something about making financial arrangements in case of rapture - bequeathing funds to the 'unsaved' etc. But alas, I've forgotten the website. (Which is just as well, since I don't want to derail this thread. But my point was that those in dogmatic religions have their own version of 'sudden vs gradual' so it's sort of the same thing, just with a different flavor.)

since his 'ra' is not the same 'ra' Carla was channeling, i dont see any reason to trust willcock at all then. not to mention that this logic seems profoundly wrong to me - an entity which is of Ra, the complex which took utmost care not to infringe on anything, will come through a channel giving promises predictions etc, tying up Ra karmically with this earth. the very thing they have been trying to alleviate.

i very much think he should be taken as a potential 4d channeler, giving out promises and hopes and love like many others, but, as i noted, because of the considerable amount of personal gratification that is in there, i dont think one should give much credence to his channeling even as a 4d hope channeling.

I think it's important to remember that DW has his own personal opinions and interpretations of Ra's words, just as we all do.

Here is another thread that discusses this topic in depth:

Life on Planet Earth > David Wilcock

I just realized that the article cited on this thread is the same one discussed in that thread. The threads might get merged.

[unity100]

Now, personal opinions and interpretations are one thing, but 'im channeling Ra, tho, this is not the * same * ra (how ?) you know, and they are saying this' is another thing. if it was just his opinions, i would just give some credence. but, he was supposedly channeling Ra, in the manner it is said. that is very dangerous and wrong in my opinion.

[Peregrinus]

It is the same Ra, just via a different transmission/reception level.

Pertaining to how LL trance channelled this social memory complex resulted in a narrow band connection which had as little distortion as is possible between distant densities. The social memory complex obtains uniform thought from more than 300 million Ra entities, which literally has one voice for the group.

David's Ra is a single individual of the social memory complex, which obtains uniform thought from more than 300 million Ra entities, but speaks for itself. David consciously channels this single entity. Conscious channelling in itself may be anywhere from containing minor to very severe distortion, for there are many factors involved in the end result message.

I have heard David's channelling and I believe it to be Ra in its content and consistency.

[unity100]

It is the same Ra, just via a different transmission/reception level.

Pertaining to how LL trance channelled this social memory complex resulted in a narrow band connection which had as little distortion as is possible between distant densities. The social memory complex obtains uniform thought from more than 300 million Ra entities, which literally has one voice for the group.

David's Ra is a single individual of the social memory complex, which obtains uniform thought from more than 300 million Ra entities, but speaks for itself. David consciously channels this single entity. Conscious channelling in itself may be anywhere from containing minor to very severe distortion, for there are many factors involved in the end result message.

these are not logical.

first of all, a societal complex is something that forms in early 4th density due to of the wills, aims, objectives of seeking of all entities being of one direction, as Ra puts it. it creates harmonization.

secondly, the harmonization of the complex goes on more and more through 4th, 5th and 6th densities, increasingly causing complexes to act as if one singular entity due to harmonization.

remember how Ra says 'i am Ra' before each sentence. instead of saying 'we are Ra'.

and remember how some complexes are referring to themselves as principles, instead of complexes. the 'principle known as ...' phrase, for example. this signifies the direction of seeking of the entities - they are concentrating and manifesting that certain principle altogether.

if, we combine these 2 facets, ie, harmonization, union and direction of seeking, it means that highly harmonized entities of very high density would be having commonality of seeking.

this, means that any member of Ra, would know and keep the wisdom of all the other members.

this means that any member of Ra, would act as Ra, not as individual entities. (doing otherwise would decrease harmonization).

this means that, since they had so hard lessons in regard to wisdom prior to these times, and displayed the understanding of these lessons in the 1980 channelings. ranging from extreme precaution not to infringe upon free will to refraining from any personal gratification of any entity, including themselves. leave aside grand predictions regarding anything.

therefore the above rationalizations do not hold, since the particular source of the channel is in contrast with the wisdom and lessons Ra complex have showed that they have learned in 1980 original channelings.

if a single entity out of 300 million of a complex acts unwise and gets involved in karma, that would affect all of them in a measure. therefore, all the entities would take care not to do something not all of the 300 million entities are in general agreement and acceptance with. not to mention that doing as such would be seen as doing a disservice to those who they were trying to serve in the first place.

if, that source is of Ra, then it means Ra has lost their wisdom, and again intervening in the world in an unwise fashion, doing predictions and engaging in trifle, trivial matters and knowledge, instead of the level of display they showed during 1980 channelings. moreover, leave aside that fact, it would also mean that they have totally gone haywire, giving a huge measure of personal gratification to an incarnated individual.

IF, on another sidenote, there is an individual from among 300 million entities that goes in contrast with the seeking of the complex to THAT level, that entity would probably not remain as a member of that complex. therefore, that would make it a fallen, disagreeing entity. which is very unlikely i might add. this is advancing parts of 6th density. from that point on, it has a low chance of happening.

therefore, in conclusion, the above rationalizations do not hold.
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my opinion is that this individual is channeling either a particularly unwise entity, OR, very probably, a negative source, mimicking the nature of a positive contact. (this subject was studied in early books of Ra, remember).

the considerable amount of personal gratification in the channelings, AND especially the life path of this individual, david willcock takes, with all its adolescent pop-star like facets, grand statements of being the channeler of both cayce and Ra, the two prominent and reliable sources of modern times, reinforce the above proposition.

[Peregrinus]

I see confusion on your part in understanding this concept. As you say brother, it is your opinion, and I fully accept you are entitled to that. I would encourage you to pursue the matter further so that you might come to a resolution that which you may accept. Perhaps tomorrow I will answer point by point, but tonight it is late and this physical vehicle requires rest.

To begin, may I suggest you come to understand that there are three important terms involved here, and none can be removed from the equation as to how the SMC functions.
Social - in this case that which willingly accepts into agreement
Memory - share memories, not thought. Individuals still retain individual thought, though the thoughts become harmonized.
Complex - the process of combining the body/spirit/memories. This brings to me a question though. Does the 4th density physical vehicle have a mind? ...darned veil... essential but cumbersome...

a couple of notes...

Principle is not a SMC. It is the seeking of more than one group, whether it be a brotherhood or SMC or simple those which have similar intent into service to other-selves, to work together towards a common goal.

Ra has not lost their wisdom hehe, and of wanderers here, those of Ra make up the bulk. Although the distinction was not made, I would suggest that those wanderers which get on (physically) well with this solar system would be those that are from it, namely Ra. Those such as Carla, that are allergic to everything on earth, are from a different solar system, and as such have a difficult time with the "local" vibration.

Lastly, whether one believes or disbelieves DW, that is their choice, as is everything. We do, though, refrain from harsh or judgmental words about anyone here on this forum. This is a place of love and light, a place like no other on the interweb. Think of it as you will as the beginning of a SMC, where thoughts are individual but harmonized

"All judgment reveals itself to be self-judgment in the end, and when this is understood, a larger comprehension of the nature of life takes its place." David R. Hawkins

[unity100]

by your definition, especially the 'complex' part of it, still negates the rationalization that was put forth for david willcock 'channeling Ra, but not the Ra you know it, as you know it'.

moreover, we arent talking about a complex that is in early 4d. we are talking about a complex which is in the advancing stages of 6d. and as Ra itself states at more than one point, their thoughts, their beings are 'one', more than ever.

no part of such a complex which think as one, act as one, would contrast with the wills and thoughts of the others and act in contrast with what they have so dearly learned in the past, without the consent of all.

[Ali Quadir]

I believe Peregrinus is correct. Even us humans have those different levels of functioning. It is possible to speak to different levels of awareness in the human organism.

It is the same mechanism in higher density. A complex that is in 6d is also in 5d 4d and 3d... It very much needs to be.

The density an entity is at is pretty much the level where he puts most of his awareness. He is not exclusive to that level though. Just like we still have mineral awareness and animal awareness.

This concept that us humans are undividable individuals like atoms has been rejected by various mystic traditions and modern psychology and neurology. The homunculus does not exist. Every human being is not an individual but rather a collection of psychological influences together forming something which we for the sake of an argument call an "Individual". What we call an organism has nothing to do with what really is an organism.

Ra is the same. Only his varying influences are contained in separate bodies.

So it is very much possible to speak to an aspect of Ra.

[Namaste]

the general tone and information that was out of his channelings were way out of touch anything resembling Ra.

This was mentioned in the point about conscious channeling - the channelers personality (physical mind / ego) flavours the information coming through.

in case you remember, ra said that the Ra contact was done over a very narrow band. and Carla had very particular pre-incarnative conditions that was chosen to make it easier for her to get into trance and enable such a contact. and, throughout the work that was made for four books, you can read the difficulties, dedication they had to maintain and the effort they had to spare to keep the contact going. AND it was possible because of the extensive harmony within the group of that three people.

This was mentioned in the point regarding the fact that Carla channeled in a state of deep trance (unconsciously).

he came up as a topic in another discussion forum. people were bashing him. despite my impression i have kept a moderate ground and told there was nothing wrong about giving hope to people. someone said that, because of the hopes he have given about the disclosure before, he believed him, and got frustrated. he probably also experienced some humiliation if he told about it to other people too, tho he didnt say.

Some people agree, some do not. These are our choices. If someone agrees, it will be because they are resonating at a similar vibration. Whether it was words from DW, Steven Greer, or another source, that person would agree due to the vibrational match. Putting faith in someone else's prediction is a lesson in of itself, one this person may benefit from for the rest of this incarnation.

it is wrong to give extravagant hopes regarding anything like that. it is not as simple as 'it is up to people if it resonates with them or not'. he is not giving timeless, all encompassing general messages of love or hope. he is talking about events to happen in future.

This statement is one of judgment, projecting personal issues onto the situation. It is neither wrong, nor right, to express ones beliefs, passions or ideas. Each person is responsible for their own thoughts and decisions. That is the purpose of discernment, and free will.

This is the density of choice/rapid learning, and souls will choose (and hence resonate with) that which is aligned with their polarity, lessons, and path at that time.

it may resonate with some people, those people may make decisions, or life changing decisions based on those messages, and may end up frustrated the least, or worse. thats a disservice.

Expressing ones self is not disservice, it's the meaning of our incarnations; to express, to choose, and experience. DW is speaking his own truth with hopes to help other people. If done in a genuinely loving way, this is service to others.

well, i dont think he is right even on that front too. he does say that, but his messages, channelings dont come close to edgar cayce's either, in tone or content.

on another note, he seems to be an individual with ego issues. 'reincarnation of edgar cayce', 'channeler of Ra', 2 most prominent spiritual message sources of modern times, a predictor of events, a singer (he recently put out a single i believe), a speaker and so on.

he pretty much acts like an adolescent celebrity, in the words of someone who was in the discussion in the other forum i saw this topic came up.

I say this with love - defending personal beliefs of what's right and wrong is walking the path of judgment, which is the path of separation and non-acceptance; founded by fear.

A quote from Q'uo/Aaron...

This is the foundation for the work of all beings in third density. It is through the constant judgment of what you experience that self solidifies and enhances the illusion of separation. You are here to reconfirm that there is no separate self, that the self solidifies through dwelling in delusion. The more you fight with the presence of an emotion, the more self solidifies, the more sense there is, “I must get rid of this or that to purify myself.” What you have to do, then, is to change your relationship to that which arises in you.

This brings us back to the human living this life, feeling the closing lower chakras, feeling the arising of fear, anger, greed, prejudice, jealousy, whatever the emotion may be. Increasingly, you allow the perspective which finds compassion for the human tossed into emotions by the continuing catalysts of the incarnation. You become less and less reactive, more able to keep the heart open.

The Law of One is the path of unity and acceptance; founded by love. One must embrace, and give value to, what he or she considers the light and the dark, 'right' or 'wrong'. If we do not do this, we remain in an imbalanced state, hindering our spiritual evolution.

He indeed makes some prominent claims, and has openly stated that he has ego issues (which are also evident in his blog), and to not look up to him in any way or form. This however, should not tarnish the value of the information that he shares. Just like crop circles, his work is helping many people open their eyes, and to start thinking for themselves.

One must accept and love others for their uniqueness. This is a fundamental aspect of the Law of One.

L&L

[unity100]

This was mentioned in the point about conscious channeling - the channelers personality (physical mind / ego) flavours the information coming through.

i wouldnt name 'oh, i wouldnt have you any other way !' as a flavor, if it passes within a channeled text. and it does.

This was mentioned in the point regarding the fact that Carla channeled in a state of deep trance (unconsciously).

indeed, and as Ra said, this was the only method that would enable Ra contact, moreover, they searched for very long for any group that could do this channeling, and were able to do the channeling (albeit still with great effort and care) through this particular group due to the extensive harmony in between them. and after one member of the group died, they werent able to continue Ra contact.

then there's david willcock. leave aside the fact that he is not a group, he is doing conscious channeling just like that, and channeling Ra.

these two do not add up.

Some people agree, some do not. These are our choices. If someone agrees, it will be because they are resonating at a similar vibration. Whether it was words from DW, Steven Greer, or another source, that person would agree due to the vibrational match. Putting faith in someone else's prediction is a lesson in of itself, one this person may benefit from for the rest of this incarnation.

This statement is one of judgment, projecting personal issues onto the situation. It is neither wrong, nor right, to express ones beliefs, passions or ideas. Each person is responsible for their own thoughts and decisions. That is the purpose of discernment, and free will.

had we been doing this conversation back in 1610 BC, and i had said that 'these contacts those people receiving are of negative nature, they carry negative tint and features, these will lead them astray', would that also been a judgment ?

it wouldnt. it would be stating an obvious consequence based on existing conditions and preexisting information. just like the information Ra and various other channelings have given, regarding the nature of negativity, how channels are discredited and made ineffective, a long process starting firstly by offering the distortion of self importance, ego, going towards the power distortions, then various 'sins' to render the channel ineffective, and eventually ending in direct psychic attacks by a 5th density entity.

and :

This is the density of choice/rapid learning, and souls will choose (and hence resonate with) that which is aligned with their polarity, lessons, and path at that time.

no, unfortunately, it isnt. due to intertwined issues ranging back from 700,000 years ago up till today, this is a very particular 3d experience, with a very particular setting. more than ~65 million 6th density entities and heaven knows how many additional entities of various densities up to date are incarnated here.

one of the reasons is, oddly, as quo states, teaching wisdom to those entities who had an accelerated experience in 3d, and therefore having issues in 6d, because various facets of the work in time/space of the 6d and further appears 'negative' to them and makes them ineffectual in working with them. this includes Ra.

therefore this planet has a strong veil that further veils the subconscious and higher self from the entities, and a quarantine to reinforce that even further.

what does that mean ?

it means entities incarnated here have to use wisdom to do their work properly. especially wanderers. this will hone their wisdom enough so that excessive amount of love they arent able to balance, will be balanced.

wisdom also means identifying situations, discerning right and wrong pertaining to given point at a space/time continuum, and making decisions to keep the purity of intent and service. letting go of such an important aspect of personal and spiritual discipline, because it sounded 'judgmental', would be very, very unwise.

Expressing ones self is not disservice, it's the meaning of our incarnations; to express, to choose, and experience. DW is speaking his own truth with hopes to help other people. If done in a genuinely loving way, this is service to others.

moses explaining himself was not also a disservice. neither none of the entities whose service was affected by any negative tint/effect. and a considerable number of them spread their messages in a genuinely loving way.

yet, look what effect it did to entire world.

one important lesson of wisdom is - love does not solve everything.

I say this with love - defending personal beliefs of what's right and wrong is walking the path of judgment, which is the path of separation and non-acceptance; founded by fear.

there is a difference in between personal belief, and channeling. if something is put forward as channeling, its not a personal belief.

moreover, things coming from a person who claims to be channeling such prominent known (named) sources in earthly spirituality, can easily be taken as not to be his personal opinion. therefore, an entity who is following a delicate path of service would do his/her utmost in purity and discipline not to concede anything from the purity of the work.

dw is not doing any of these, as far as what i see.

tho the following example goes above the scale of this particular subject, and involves far a greater higher density work :

in regard to the repeated unwisdom of putting love as an answer to everything, i would like to remind the answer Ra gave to don, when he insistently queried Ra on how the group could be of service to the 5th density entity regularing them. i wont quote it here.

the logic is simple :

everything may be one past the late 7th density, however everything is not one IN PRACTICE in lower densities. there IS separation.

in the example given above, being one with the 5d entity in practice would cause cessation of their particular service at that given point in time.

A quote from Q'uo/Aaron...

This is the foundation for the work of all beings in third density. It is through the constant judgment of what you experience that self solidifies and enhances the illusion of separation. You are here to reconfirm that there is no separate self, that the self solidifies through dwelling in delusion. The more you fight with the presence of an emotion, the more self solidifies, the more sense there is, “I must get rid of this or that to purify myself.” What you have to do, then, is to change your relationship to that which arises in you.

This brings us back to the human living this life, feeling the closing lower chakras, feeling the arising of fear, anger, greed, prejudice, jealousy, whatever the emotion may be. Increasingly, you allow the perspective which finds compassion for the human tossed into emotions by the continuing catalysts of the incarnation. You become less and less reactive, more able to keep the heart open.

i would like to remind you the fact that most of the people who are interested in such channelings and information are already not of 3rd density. they are very probably wanderers of higher levels in majority, who would be attracted to such kind of information. this was stated in Ra material, and actually this is a simple cause of law of attraction. considering how the 4d wanderers were relatively low in percentage, it would mean that most are 5d or above. that would mean that, wisdom is an integral part of their density and frequency, and constantly hurling the love answer to every occasion and issue would be in lieu with their normal density's advancedness.

The Law of One is the path of unity and acceptance; founded by love. One must embrace, and give value to, what he or she considers the light and the dark, 'right' or 'wrong'. If we do not do this, we remain in an imbalanced state, hindering our spiritual evolution.

'embracing','giving value', 'loving' does not mean confusing the two, or failing to discern and know the nature of those two, and failing to do the proper thing that is required by the knowledge of existence.

to know what color a stone is, and where does it fit in, and put it in its rightful place is NOT a lack of love. doing otherwise is a lack of wisdom. knowledge. mixing stones of different color is a disservice to all the stones.

if not, positive and negative wouldnt be placed in separate planets and densities by the creation. they would be all allowed to exist in the same planet, same density. after all, everything is love, and separating anything from another would be just so wrong, isnt it ?

or actually, why are we separateing different densities anyway ? it is just so wrong, separating self from self. we should just let 6d entities manifest in between 3d entities. 2d entities. also, why are 4d entities choosing to go invisible when 4d starts in a planet anyway ? after all, isnt everything 'love' ? let them let themselves be seen. and not separate self from self.

as you can see from the above quizzical examples, for the creation to function there HAS to be wisdom and knowledge of the working of things. with that wisdom, will come the balance of any given particular entity. balance will not come by just saying 'i love everything' and hurling in ANY passing muse, inspiration, thought form, feeling or whatever that passes through time/space nearby. whether you are in time/space at that given time point, or space/time. you need to know yourself, and not let in everything, and thusly know and keep your balance.

which example by the way, seems to hold some light to one of the possible difficulties Ra and other heavily love balanced groups are having in 6d.

on a sidenote, i keep noticing that you leave out light, wisdom out of all your definitions, including the definition of Law of One.

if everything is one, light, wisdom is also an integral part of that 'one'. leaving it out is outright, 'unwise'. beyond naive at best. i would like to remind how Ra said that some entities keep forgetting that love is just one facet of the creator (in their words, i wouldnt say creator) and then start to worship that particular energy center, focus, as if it was the creator itself.

He indeed makes some prominent claims, and has openly stated that he has ego issues (which are also evident in his blog), and to not look up to him in any way or form. This however, should not tarnish the value of the information that he shares. Just like crop circles, his work is helping many people open their eyes, and to start thinking for themselves.

that is all good and well, however it doesnt solve anything. one cant know how much of his channeling is tainted or twisted by having that ego issue exploited, or, even, who his sources at any given point, are.

it is also strikingly odd that an entity is trying to do serious channeling, and doing advanced spiritual work, before handling the ego issue first. moreover, he apparently knows about it. yet goes on dispensing messages.

i wont even comment on the prominent claims part.

One must accept and love others for their uniqueness. This is a fundamental aspect of the Law of One.

loving and accepting does not mean letting go of wisdom, which is also a fundamental aspect of existence, and a prerequisite for any existence past 4d.

[AnthroHeart]

Haven't been able to attend any of David's conferences, but must have been incredible. Heard that he has new graphics for his Wanderer Awakening work.

Yeah, I have had a few of the ayahuasca experiences (or rather pharmahuasca which is just active ingredients). Also use Sacred Geometry technology to help with energy.

This was a really good posting. I have always believed it to be a sudden event to come up. I've done a little research on that superwave theory of 3.5 trillion electron volts of cosmic rays coming from the galactic core. All I know is we have interesting times ahead.

I too am working toward vegan, currently vegetarian mostly. Next step is completely raw diet. But one must have the energy levels to sustain this type of diet.

Dora: marvellous to hear that you discovered yourself. Very inspirational! Out of interest, what type of meditation do you perform to connect with your higher self/6D?

Meditation has always kept me near my higher self. However, I couldn't get the realization, life changing experience I needed to make it completely real.

However, after attending the Austin Convergence with David Wilcock, it seems some sort of new vibratonal energy was transforming within me.

It made me frustrated, confused and uneasy. It was almost like I had an 'itching' inside which I could not scratch. I was really having trouble meditating and could not rest with my higher power.

Then, I watched David's interview with Graham Hancock. In it, Graham talks about his experiences with 'ayahuasca'. I tried some and found out it really brought me in touch with my 6d self.

Since the experience, I have become a vegan, as the thought of being a 'murderer for meat' became extremely distasteful. Weight has dropped off and I feel myself on a new energy level.

Since ayahuasca is a hallucinogenic, I do not comment on its use other than it has been extremely useful to me in understand Ra's teachings and my bonding with my 6d self.

Here is the url to the interview, in case you are interested.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WiasAfSiu4

[Namaste]

Haven't been able to attend any of David's conferences, but must have been incredible. Heard that he has new graphics for his Wanderer Awakening work.

Yeah, I have had a few of the ayahuasca experiences (or rather pharmahuasca which is just active ingredients). Also use Sacred Geometry technology to help with energy.

This was a really good posting. I have always believed it to be a sudden event to come up. I've done a little research on that superwave theory of 3.5 trillion electron volts of cosmic rays coming from the galactic core. All I know is we have interesting times ahead.

I too am working toward vegan, currently vegetarian mostly. Next step is completely raw diet. But one must have the energy levels to sustain this type of diet.

The superwave theory is indeed very interesting, very interesting indeed. It also sits in nicely with some of the Mayan prophecies, who have a hieroglyph for exactly that (which also appeared - in various forms - in more than one crop circle).

The Mayan symbol...


The crop circle...


I also aim to move to a raw food diet over the next 2 years (one step at a time is best suited for me with a change of diet). Fruit makes this a lot easier than people would initially imagine. Yum

An apt quote from Q'uo regarding wisdom, growth, arrogance and intellect.

The chief stumbling block to one overbalanced in wisdom is a basic attitude with which this instrument is familiar that she calls pride. When she sees this element of character within herself, she confesses her pride.

However, we would perhaps use the term arrogance rather than pride. In pride, there is a conscious element: one is proud of something. There is a quantitative aspect to this concept of emotive structure. We do not wish to indicate that there is any conscious aspect to the structure involved in those who are wise at the expense of love. Therefore, we suggest the term arrogance, for arrogance is an unconscious attribute carried by those who are aware of the efficacy of their thinking processes.

We would say to those whose profile matches this distortion that it is time to become willing to be grounded in humility.

Love is the key...

We ask all of those who find themselves wise and who know themselves clever, has it helped you to love? Has it opened your heart? We have often spoke through this instrument of the most difficult journey an entity such as those you have described will ever make. That journey is the fourteen or so inches from your head to your heart.

How to grow from that situation...

For those who carry that arrogance of wisdom, there is subtle work to be done in emptying the pockets of self. It is lonely and unforgiving work to break yourself open to the point where you can see and acknowledge all of the factors that go into what on the surface is a simple and seamless attitude of confidence and self-knowledge. Nevertheless, this is the task ahead of one who wishes to open his heart.

A profound quote...

It is a difficult thing to grasp because there is no cleverness involved in opening the heart. There is only the acknowledgment of the falsehood of any claim that one may wish to make to true wisdom. For wisdom uninformed by love is not stable or balanced, in terms of that lesson which entities such as yourself incarnated in order to balance.

Love (meaning courage, compassion, acceptance, peace and harmony) is the choice...

In orienting you and those like you to the actual situation, we would ask each to move back in perspective until there is a broadness that takes in all of the third-density pattern. A pattern involves a choice of how to be and how to serve. In third density, the path to graduation involves a simple choice followed by a series of congruent choices which progressively tune the spirit under such discipline to the point where that spirit is able to surrender to love.

A warning of how the physical mind - the intellect - can make one lose sight of their intended goal.

The difficulty is in releasing all of the intelligence and knowledge that is so proudly carried and so skillfully used in the outer manifestations of life on planet Earth.

In order to dig down into the treasure of self, you must break the container that holds all of that pride or arrogance of accomplishment. When you have released this structure, you will find that you are as vulnerable as a tiny kitten, such as the one that is snuggled up against this instrument’s ankle at this moment. Only when you have become as a tiny child, free of the burden of your wisdom, can you at last break the bunker of self-consciousness.

My brother, how deeply and how truly you seek to do that! And yet how clever are the many, many thoughts and strategies that will gladly entrain your intelligence and distract your will. These forces within you do not wish for you to open your heart. They like having full pockets. They do not want you to empty your pockets of these things which, to the surface personality, seem to suggest selfhood. Yet there is a powerful voice within you that says that this is not true consciousness. And you hunger for that.

L&L

[Monica]

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[Namaste]

Moderator note: This thread has been split, after it veered off into another topic of discussion. Please see Strictly Law of One > Law of One Advanced Teachings and The Mind for a continuation of the Mind discussion.

404 (essentially) on the URL link Monica :¬)

[unity100]

indeed. entire split section, with all the effort that went into devising and conceiving various thoughts and ideas, have gone missing.

[Aaron]

Nothing is ever lost in an infinite universe.

[Monica]

It's back online.

[Ali Quadir]

Nothing is ever lost in an infinite universe.

It's back online.

Case in point?

[Marina]

The real work is not to know what is going to happen, but to create love in the moment, don't you think? I am always searching and wondering: why jfk/Rfk murders? why 911? why the oil leak? But really, these are just ways to wake up. Yes, Dorothy, we are not in Kansas any more, and all you can do is follow the yellow brick road... What a time to be alive! How much has changed since the 80s when I first read The Law of One books. I found them because Cayce had used that phrase (Law of One). I read those blue books over and over. Ra's vibration (the love in the words) was as beautiful and healing for me as the information itself. Now look how many people have responded to this material. There must be thousands.

I leave you in the love and light of the One Infinite Creator...Adonai

[Derek]

Hey there,

David wilcock now belives that it will not happen in a single event but be much more gradual. He does believe that 2012 is a very significant tipping point though, but that life will go on. This is evident by many of his latest interviews and articles.

I also have just read through some of the responses on this thread. In defense of Mr.Wilcock

I have listened to almost every radio show he's ever done and watched every video he's ever done and can count on one hand all the times he has mentioned that he is the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce. He does not like to dwell on it.

He has no ego problems and regularly talks about this on his blog from time to time citing or talking about various angry emails from people accusing him of such things (which is laughable to those of us who follow his work).

He does do channeling but keeps most of it for personal guidance. If he wasn't following his teachings from his channeling he would have experienced massive negative greeting by now

A date was announced for disclosure last year (much to David's dismay who didn't want it leaked) and it didn't happen. We weren't suprised. If you've been following his work you'll realize that the evidence that disclosure is happening is getting more and more blatant. He has said many things that we are starting to actually see happen now.

Contrary to what many may think he doesn't have that much money. The economy is really bad right now and his kind of work is considered "fringe" and not neccesary (not to mention the fact that he gives over 80% of it away for free and has done so for years) he also has to pay various expenses (travel, lodging, very expensive hotel reservations for conferences etc)

His music is wonderful and has helped many people. He has been a musician all his life, and his Wanderer Awakening album is a great play on all of the archetypes in the Law of One and the whole journey as a wanderer. It has given incredible emotional support to many wanderers.

[AnthroHeart]

Agreed. I bought the high-quality ones. I need to listen to them again.

Thanks for bringing it up.

-gw

His music is wonderful and has helped many people. He has been a musician all his life, and his Wanderer Awakening album is a great play on all of the archetypes in the Law of One and the whole journey as a wanderer. It has given incredible emotional support to many wanderers.

[Peregrinus]

He has no ego problems and regularly talks about this on his blog from time to time citing or talking about various angry emails from people accusing him of such things (which is laughable to those of us who follow his work).

Defending David actually shows that you identify with the difficulties that David experiences. This is empathy/compassion, a desired trait.

Those that judge David, in any way, judge themselves, for all judgment of others is judgment of self. Because David has ego, their judgment means something to him. If he had no ego, he wouldn't even see negative words as negative. Each human has their own level of work to do, and David is no exception.

[Derek]

He has no ego problems and regularly talks about this on his blog from time to time citing or talking about various angry emails from people accusing him of such things (which is laughable to those of us who follow his work).

Defending David actually shows that you identify with the difficulties that David experiences. This is empathy/compassion, a desired trait.

Those that judge David, in any way, judge themselves, for all judgment of others is judgment of self. Because David has ego, their judgment means something to him. If he had no ego, he wouldn't even see negative words as negative. Each human has their own level of work to do, and David is no exception.

I couldn't agree more with much of what you said. David posts and talks about these things because he gets well over 120 emails a day (this is a figure from a couple years ago he probably gets alot more than that now, and also blog posts, forum posts etc) a great deal of which attack him for completely unsubstantiated reasons. He is usually very patient but he has mentioned it on his blog a few times to further illustrate a point he is trying to make. Here is an example http://divinecosmos.com/index.php?option...&Itemid=70 scroll down to "A burst of love from the inbox" in bold.

WHAT, EXACTLY, IS 'EGO' -- AND WHY IS EVERYONE SO HUNG UP ABOUT IT?

The most common attack-word thrown at me is 'ego'.

The basic idea is that feeling positively about yourself, writing articles in first-person tense with stories from your own life's journey, pursuing greater exposure and offering products so you can afford to keep doing your best to reach people, is a bad thing.

If everything I did were free, then we wouldn't be able to function and our service would end.

If I didn't bother to try to spread the word, then many people who might benefit from my work will never hear about it.

And if being 'humble' means that I answer every email I receive, there will be no new material for people to email me about.

It's very easy to pass judgment. It's much more difficult, but far more rewarding, to forgive and accept those who push your buttons the most, realizing that they wouldn't upset you if they didn't remind you of some unhealed aspect within yourself.

[Monica]

He has no ego problems and regularly talks about this on his blog from time to time citing or talking about various angry emails from people accusing him of such things (which is laughable to those of us who follow his work).

I think David does some wonderful work. I especially appreciate his insights into the shadow govt., and I recently read his theories about the dead birds. Interesting ideas!

As for ego, I don't think any of us can really judge whether someone is motivated by ego or not. I once had a boyfriend who constantly bragged, "I am very humble!" haha. So we really can't go by what they say. I think all we can do is refrain from judging, and simply utilize their work, or not, if it resonates with us, or not.

[Derek]

He has no ego problems and regularly talks about this on his blog from time to time citing or talking about various angry emails from people accusing him of such things (which is laughable to those of us who follow his work).

I think David does some wonderful work. I especially appreciate his insights into the shadow govt., and I recently read his theories about the dead birds. Interesting ideas!

As for ego, I don't think any of us can really judge whether someone is motivated by ego or not. I once had a boyfriend who constantly bragged, "I am very humble!" haha. So we really can't go by what they say. I think all we can do is refrain from judging, and simply utilize their work, or not, if it resonates with us, or not.

Yes, I fully agree with you there. I should have also wrote that I really
don't sense any ego with him. He doesn't really do anything
that would be considered egocentric imho.

Getting back on track (this is extraordinarily transient), I really do feel this is going to be a gradual shift. It feels much more desirable that way as well. Although I definitley think some very very interesting things are going to happen in 2012.

[xlsander]

check the "how to contact your higher self" videos - for $77 they are a steal - very professionally produced - very very insightful information - presented in a very understandable way - and if you dont link that he likes himself then just listen to it and dont watch his face talking all the time :-)
I do think he does very beautifully and honestly what he believes to be true through his investigations - I am happy we have someone like him out there doing that kind of work - I dont see any other spiritual / conspiracy / self improvement (the singer part did not touch me yet - maybe because i am a singer songwriter myself) out there in that magnitude who always tries to present things in a very empowering way.

maxwell, jones or camelot was fine for a while but eventually they all are just too darky for my tatse - icke is fine but his take on spirituality is not as LOO oriented as DW's so I tend to very much enjoy what david does and I look forward to any of his material just as I look forward to listen to Carla's and monica's week in week out - thank you all

[unity100]

apparently there are a lot of different interpretations of the word 'ego'. and the dominant one seems to be to interpret it as negative assertiveness, coercion, prickyness.

ego is a word that is one of the 3 parts of the definition of self in freud's psychology

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Id,_ego,_and_super-ego

even though freud does a lot of negative connotations, and also enriches the definition a lot

Originally, Freud used the word ego to mean a sense of self ....

, ego still ends up as a definition meaning 'self' more or less.

in various spiritual schools, ego is also used as a word to denote 'self'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ego

so basically it seems, in general usage ego is a word that has taken on the meaning of 'self'.

then if you look at it that way, in its clearer meaning, an entity which is dominantly involved in self and matters regarding self, would be called egocentric, ie, involved/busy with its own self.

[Gribbons]

Great article. He had some really well defended arguments pertaining to why it would be a spontaneous change as opposed to a gradual, but now that you mention he now supports a gradual change, which, I agree, would be more comfortable, I would like to see his new reasoning for supporting it. Anybody got the link?

Thanks

[Derek]

One of the places of many that he has mentioned this view recently is in this article http://divinecosmos.com/index.php/start-...quarantine . If you read some of the recent articles and listen to some recent audio interviews on his website you'll also find this view. He does seem to believe that we all go through some sort of "quantum shift" in 2012 though.

[zenmaster]

apparently there are a lot of different interpretations of the word 'ego'. and the dominant one seems to be to interpret it as negative assertiveness, coercion, prickyness.

It's a misunderstanding propagated in new-age thought. The origin seems to have been the introduction of eastern spiritual thought into the western world. It's really a mistranslation and people are plainly too 'lazy' to see that, by definition, they 'are' the ego. The negative qualities attributed to the 'ego' (as if it were a thing) are the necessary psychological 'pathologies' inherent to the third-density condition such as identification and duality. In other words, the ego is mistaken for a psychological condition. It's 'ok' to do that, just recognize the fact. The transpersonal ego is still ego.

Yes, we always have a 'higher' part of ourselves capable of passively witnessing our psychological processes at work. However that is also 'ego' - now with some degree of consciousness applied.

However, now popularized by sheep, 'ego' typically means psychological condition related to identification - such as inflation. It's moronic when you look at it.

[Peregrinus]

2004_0104

Now, all that is brought into incarnation, in terms of your experiences as a human being in incarnation, is distorted. You and your guidance system, the higher self, have created a kind of clothing for your beingness within incarnation that is what this instrument calls the “personality shell” and what your psychologists have called the ego. Perhaps you have noticed in your own life that when they are born, children do not come into incarnation as a blank slate. Rather, they enter the incarnation with a decided personality, personality shell, or ego structure. Each entity has created a personality shell in order to have the resources necessary for studying and working with some few key incarnation lessons or issues.

2009_0811

If a mask does not suit, you can discard it and pick up another. “I used to be like this, but now I am like that.” You can remake yourself endlessly—to a point. For there are things within your incarnational self, that you call the personality or the ego, which are deep-set, which are you to the bone, even to the marrow of the bone. Who knows what those characteristics are! But there are some givens in every entity’s life. And as you become more aware of yourself as an entity, you either fight them or cooperate with them. Blessed is the entity who decides to cooperate with his deep-set personality traits! For becoming more spiritual is not a matter of dropping the earthly persona. Rather, it is a matter of becoming able to call upon a faculty within the self which is impersonal.

Saying that this faculty is impersonal is not the same as saying that this faculty is not firmly and inextricably attached to the earthly personality. It is simply saying that in order to claim one’s magical personality it is necessary to know the self well enough to be able to control that earthly personality and to lay it aside for a time for the purpose of service to others.

1984_1125

We find that this term, that is, the ego, is one which we have difficulty in utilizing, for it does not describe a portion of one’s being which is easy to encompass with a definition. We can utilize the “conscious acting self” in a manner similar to the use of the word “ego.” As you in your conscious awareness move through your illusion, you develop various biases and what you may call distortions of perception. These, taken together, are the result of preincarnative programming, if you will, in many cases and are somewhat altered by your experience and constant use of free will. These distortions may be likened unto the white light which passes through the prism and then is broken into the colors of your spectrum.

The distortions of perception are each colored in a certain way so that yet another means is presented to you by which you may learn the lesson of love, for as you examine each distortion each in its turn will yield the opposite response: for patience, you will find impatience; for anger, you will find acceptance; for the various kinds of distortions you will discover that when the balance is achieved, the yield of this process will be an increase in the ability to love.

Therefore, that which you have called the ego and which we have called the conscious acting self will have provided you with a lens or a prism which breaks the unity of all creation into various portions so that you may in each portion reap the harvest of love that would not be possible should the perception not be broken into particles.