Masturbation

[Horuseus]

Done a search and I can't really find a thread directly related to this. I'm sure we can all relate to this at some level or another, though I'm curious as to the opinion of others regarding Masturbation from a Health (Energetic and Physical) standpoint. The Taoist usually link it to a depletion of vital energy, and can be the cause of adrenal fatigue if done in an excessive manner, whereas 'western' thought usually relates to it actually being healthy if done on a daily basis.

Somewhat of a catalyst for me at the moment, as tracing my own impulses leads to being triggered by boredom and the dopamine addiction. The deeper psychological components seem to revolve around a lack of love and compensating for this. I'm thinking it's time to put a close on that habit, as I've generally felt much better (More 'Alive' and energetic) through periods where I did not partake in the activity on a frequent basis. I'm also thinking excess energy is dispelled which could otherwise be used towards the body (Energetic components). Of course, the healthy preferred alternative is the sexual energy transfer through simultaneous orgasm with a partner.

Thoughts? Anyone kick the habit that can report in on their own experiences?

[AnthroHeart]

I do it maybe twice a week. It gives me the chance to experiment with some of my more bizarre fetishes. Anything less than something vulgar doesn't seem to work for me in getting it up.

It gives my life meaning. It's something I can look forward to, but usually I'm done in less than a minute when focused on the right fetish and looking at some artworks that support said fetish. I must have something in front of me, as my imagination doesn't work by itself. But my imagination adds to the artwork, in that I become a participant in what I am looking at. When I participate in my imagination, it adds to the pleasure.

I hadn't realized it was a dopamine release that is the orgasm.

I simply cannot get it up more often than twice a week or so. Afterwards my heart's beating rapidly and forcefully. I can at times hear my heartbeat afterwards. Seriously, it's something exciting I look forward to. But I have to be in a position that wears out my legs. Afterwards, sometimes my legs are wobbly. I'm not sure if that's red-ray energy that's streaming through my legs that does it.

I'm not fortunate enough to have a partner, but I wouldn't carry on my fetishes in real life anyway. Not even with anthros, which I seem to have more sexual appeal for than humans.

[Karl]

I went about 3 months with-out doing anything. Got bored one night though so that dry-spell ended.

[xise]

related thread http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthrea...sterbation

[AnthroHeart]

related thread http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthrea...sterbation

D'aww, you posted my thread

[Horuseus]

I simply cannot get it up more often than twice a week or so. Afterwards my heart's beating rapidly and forcefully. I can at times hear my heartbeat afterwards. Seriously, it's something exciting I look forward to. But I have to be in a position that wears out my legs. Afterwards, sometimes my legs are wobbly. I'm not sure if that's red-ray energy that's streaming through my legs that does it.

Lol I'm pitching a tent down there at something even slight. The sensation of weak legs are normal as long as it isn't excessive and I don't believe there's an energetic component to it but just the contraction of muscles.

I'm assuming you're going it manually with the hand? (If you're only lasting less than a minute). Should try to avoid that to prevent DGS. Using a realistic toy will help with stamina.

I went about 3 months with-out doing anything. Got bored one night though so that dry-spell ended.

Find any difference before/after?

related thread http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthrea...sterbation

You spelt masturbation wrong *Death stare*. Will give it a read. Cheers pal.

[Marc]

I was introduced to masturbation when I was 8 yrs old. Of course I couldn't ejaculate at that age but I still masturbated a few times a month which is quite a lot for being so young. I was introduced to pornography at age 12 and then I went through phases of masturbating a ton and then feeling guilty about it and living in shame because of my christian belief system. Interestingly enough, my mom once had a talk with my brother and I and told us how it was a natural thing to do and to not feel bad about it if we did it every once in a while. I still felt guilty about it all through high school years and would go for 4-5 months with out it and then I just had to release the build up. I thought of it as an addiction and asked God to take it away from me and made so many promises to quit... I even met a christian mentor who talked to me about it and told me how God told him to stop and that he went 7 years without masturbating until he got married.

Eventually I just accepted it and told God to fix me if he wanted me to change but I was done. I then came out from under condemnation and shame and started to see it as a normal human activity. After coming out of christianity I was much more freed from condemnation, and I came across the book "The Tao of Health, Sex, and Longevity." In the book it went through many different taoist ideas and actually the consensus was that when you're young it is ok to release the buildup of energy via ejaculation through masturbating, but as people get older that energy is not something to throw away. The ejaculation chart was roughly something like this:

12-16 yrs: 4 times weekly
17-24 yrs: 1-2 times daily
25-30 yrs: 2-5 times weekly
31-40 yrs: 1-2 times weekly
41-50 yrs: 2-5 times monthly
51-60 yrs: 1-2 times monthly
61-70 yrs: maybe once a year
71-100 yrs: never

*note: The chart is completely relative to each individual's sexual libido and isn't set in stone, but rather a guideline.

It also said that ejaculating through sex was ten times more detrimental to our vital energy storage than masturbating, so recommended that we learn how to orgasm without ejaculating with sex and gave many techniques to do that.

About 7 months ago I went about two weeks without ejaculating and during that masturbating using the technique of orgasm without ejaculating. Eventually I was just like f*** it, I'm cuming and that was the end of that. I didn't notice much of a difference from refraining other than I had a much more active libido as it was dying to be released.

Now I masturbate about once a day. Right now I'm sick with a cold and I'm not masturbating as I want to be careful with how I use my vital energy during this time so as to help with a speedy recovery.

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Now on a spiritual psychological level, the drive for sexual gratification comes from an unconscious desire to pro-create in other words it is the desire to be creative. I try to be aware of that within myself when I get horny and I try to be creative in some outlet whether that be music, photography, writing, etc... I look forward to masturbating after a day of work before I go to bed. I find that I can still lucid dream as I usually do. I also feel generally more relaxed in life when I consistently masturbate. I am separated right now and I do miss sex, but the trade-off in personal freedom is much more important to me than being able to have sex.

Right now I'm trying out a philosophy of non-repression. I just make an effort to be aware of what I'm doing and why I'm doing it, and that becomes a wonderful way to come to greater understanding of myself. I'm a kind of hedonist at the present but I look for the greatest pleasure not just the immediate, personal one. It's been a great way of self-discovery these last 5 months of trying it out, and physically and spiritually I feel pretty well. =D

[Adonai One]

When you feel like masturbating, masturbate. If you have to force yourself to masturbate but want to, you have an addiction. In other words, if it takes a lot of effort and you feel very desensitized while doing it, it's an overbalanced attachment that is likely fueled by a rejection of something in life.

There are other types of abnormalities. A naturally high libido that causes excessive masturbation could just be a lack of social interaction.

[isis]

But I have to be in a position that wears out my legs.

lol

[AnthroHeart]

But I have to be in a position that wears out my legs.

lol

It's true. I'm kneeling down when I go at it.

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The sensation of weak legs are normal as long as it isn't excessive and I don't believe there's an energetic component to it but just the contraction of muscles.

I believe that. A coach once wouldn't let a boxer fight the day he slept with his girlfriend, because weak legs he would have folded.

[isis]

But I have to be in a position that wears out my legs.

lol

It's true. I'm kneeling down when I go at it.

tmi

[Adonai One]

Thread of the year.

[vervex]

I think I'm going to go poke my eyes out now.

[Wai]

Damn! After reading this thread, I am now thinking of ... :@

[Adonai One]

Damn! After reading this thread, I am now thinking of ... :@

[Guardian]

The more you meditate the less you want it. I'm happy being celibate with the occasional alone-time. Part of me feels "broken" for having no sex drive anymore, but the greater part of me feels liberated.

[Plenum]

I'm also thinking excess energy is dispelled which could otherwise be used towards the body (Energetic components). Of course, the healthy preferred alternative is the sexual energy transfer through simultaneous orgasm with a partner.

if you are willing to go for a journey down the rabbit hole, I have found the works of Mantak Chia relevant. Especially something like this:

http://www.amazon.com/Awaken-Healing-Ene...antak+chia

basically, it challenges assumptions that the male orgasm is tied the male ejaculation. On a baseline physiological level, it is (default mode), but one can learn to disengage orgasm from ejaculation.

word of warning though, it can take years to master this process, and be prepared for painful bouts of blue balls as ineffective movement of this energy is shunted back into the gonads.

but basically, when Ra spoke about balancing the body complex (as distinct from the mind and spirit complexes) I saw the domain of their reference as the three broad areas of basic physiology: that is, food, sex and sleep.

When one has balanced the physical complex in that way (food, sex, and sleep that is absolutely optimal for that unique self), the body complex is then throroughly ready (and open) to spiritual influxes.

[Horuseus]

word of warning though, it can take years to master this process, and be prepared for painful bouts of blue balls as ineffective movement of this energy is shunted back into the gonads.

Holy crap that sounds painful. I had torsion (Imagine being kicked in the balls by Goku, now multiply that by 10) so I'm not inclined to experiment in that region at all.

That book certainly looks interesting though so It's on my watch list. Thanks.

Now on a spiritual psychological level, the drive for sexual gratification comes from an unconscious desire to pro-create in other words it is the desire to be creative. I try to be aware of that within myself when I get horny and I try to be creative in some outlet whether that be music, photography, writing, etc...

Just realised this seems to be a contributing factor for me. Leaning towards moving away from the timescales suggested and more towards the area of /nofap/. The Body has it's own natural 'releasing' protocols in the form of nocturnal emission without the need to manually yank it, so I'm thinking it may be worthwhile trying to go down this route.

Will report back with my findings! (I'm kidding ladies, maybe...).

[Matt1]

Simply accept the desire and act on it. As long as you don't do it a lot your all good.

To suppress and overcome a desire isn't balanced. Nor to overly indulge in desire.

[Ashim]

Simply accept the desire and act on it. As long as you don't do it a lot your all good.

To suppress and overcome a desire isn't balanced. Nor to overly indulge in desire.

Wank if you want to, wank around the world.....wait that could be a great song.

[xise]

The more you meditate the less you want it. I'm happy being celibate with the occasional alone-time. Part of me feels "broken" for having no sex drive anymore, but the greater part of me feels liberated.

Not true for me personally. I find I can actually increase my lower center energy through meditation than any other method. And in general, the more balanced I feel, of which meditation helps, I naturally have more libido.

There was a period of time when I had significant guilt concerning all things sexual and during that period of balancing my drive did temporarily go down as my body reset and my mind rewired itself. Ymmv

[AnthroHeart]

I don't feel guilt for my sexuality. When I have it I can have some pretty nasty fetishes. But those come and go.

[AnthroHeart]

Wow, it's been like a week since I last did it. Haven't really felt in the mood. I used to do it because of boredom. But now boredom just gets to me.

[BlatzAdict]

checkin ur guys stats makes me feel like on the extreme end ha ha. maybe i have a blockage :3

i dunno there can be a meditative quality to it




I dunno I just couldn't help myself hahaha wth.

[Phoenix]

Things were going OK a short while ago and then I masturbated and got into a seriously paranoid state. This is obviously partly to do with my own triggers. But for me my efforts in the future are going to be towards the cessation of this activity. All porn related matters as well.

I have not yet had a period where I was ill with a cold or something and been able to refrain. Since it stops you from sleeping and you are lying around in bed all the time anyway.

[Adonai One]

The Aristocrats!

[darklight]

I remember Ra said that in 4D negative, only those in the top of the power structure are getting an orgasm. That must be very frustrating for those in lower rank.

Or are they not physically mature (like children here in 3D Earth)?

[Jeremy]

I'm not sure if it has to do with it but I haven't watched porn (mainly because my cable and internet are off since I can't afford it) for a week and a half plus it's been 4 days since doing anything because of this thread and there is a hugely noticeable difference in my personality. I did also read in one of Felix's posts from Aisha North who claimed that we should be feeling better after a decrease in tension and overall increase in positive energy so I'm not sure where it's coming from but it feels great.

I've been much more personable to coworkers and doctors. I also had the longest conversation I've ever had with one of the, if not the most gorgeous woman that works in the hospital. She surprised me by being very well spoken in a world where a lack of an expansive vocabulary seems to be the norm. I'm sure she's out of my league but it was definitely great talking to her. I am either putting off a different vibration or something else has happened because there are more than a few women staring at me at work all of a sudden.

[isis]

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[BrownEye]

Sorry if this is off topic, but I have been noticing some hi jacking of my orgasm. What I am saying is that it happens, then has the distinct sensation of being "taken". I have asked, and had others ask, and yes this is actually the case. (just a curious thing to think about.


The other thing is more sensitivity to orgasm sensation. I can describe it as a black hole attempting to pull my energy body "through". If I sort of shrink my frame a bit it becomes a whole body sensation of almost a "net" tightening around my body, sort of pulling me to a vaccuum at my center, I think about the plexus area. A lot of electricity going on and a powerful vortex sensation.

It makes me wonder just where this energy is going.

And sorry, this is not during Master Baits, thus the off topic.

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word of warning though, it can take years to master this process, and be prepared for painful bouts of blue balls as ineffective movement of this energy is shunted back into the gonads.

I have only glanced, and from what I can tell Mantak is an awesome source of info about the energy bodies. I grabbed all of the books, but have not gotten around to reading.

If you look around you will find a manual method of stopping ejaculation (no not painful), and it does have some effect on the body if you can consciously maneuver that recovery to certain areas.