What is everyone's gut feeling on 2012?

[3D Sunset]

I think Wilcock represents the real deal, honestly, as far as psychic phenomena. But having internalized his work, I find that much of it is trying to "prove" his version of the Law of One cosmology through a scientific framework, or "sell" his version of the Law of One philosophy through what approaches pop psychology. And in the end I just don't emphasize what he emphasizes.

I would agree that David is probably authentic, and I too was actually attracted to the LOO through his work, but he's just too focused on the transitory aspects of our existence to keep serious searchers attention for long. Unfortunately, I think he has become more of a distraction than a benefit for many of those awakening. Perhaps that's part of the process, though, needing to overcome the temptation to delve into the conspiracies and worry about the mechanics of spiritual evolution rather than experience it.

Regardless, I think he is providing a valuable service, if for no other reason, than to give people an avenue to explore the Law of One for themselves. If some seekers wind up on David's tangent, that's fine too. I suspect that many or most will gravitate away from that aspect of 3D existence if they give it any real consideration.

As for me, I've found that LOO gives me just the right amount of detail about the mechanics of spiritual evolution to fill in some gaps that have allowed me to become much more efficient in my own evolution. In truth, Don Elkins' interest in the transitory (I've come to refer to it as the "mundane"), even gives LOO a little too much fluff for my taste in places, but I'm quite willing to forgive Don that indiscretion and conceded that it was probably necessary in order to get it published initially.

As I've said before, ultimately, considering whatever will happen (or not) in or around 2012 (be it physical, metaphysical, or status quo), matters not a wit about what I will do today or tomorrow or any of the days between now and when I pass from this Earth. It is all mundane and unimportant as to my and the planet's evolution.

Love and Light,

3D Sunset

[Lavazza]

[quote='jeremy6d' pid='1459' dateline='1235652327']
I think Wilcock represents the real deal, honestly, as far as psychic phenomena. But having internalized his work, I find that much of it is trying to "prove" his version of the Law of One cosmology through a scientific framework, or "sell" his version of the Law of One philosophy through what approaches pop psychology. And in the end I just don't emphasize what he emphasizes.

I just wanted to add that I also discovered the Law of One because of David, and for that I am truly thankful. But I agree that most of what he writes about does not resonate well. Generally speaking, Jeremy6d and Ayadew sum up my feelings pretty well.

When I first heard about Wilcock and his take on 2012 I was pretty frightened, actually! You can imagine my turmoil being newly awakened to it all. I felt like I suddenly had this weight on my back, like I had to carry this heavy clock that was ticking down the minutes until 2012. And I worried about what would happen to my family and friends, and the world at large. But looking back, it just served a catalyst for me to seek further. It wasn't long after that I started reading Q'uo transcripts. I imagine that this must be a common path for many. Nobody ever said seeking the truth is easy!

[Monica]

2012 used to be very important to me. I now find the concept to be distracting to my spiritual growth. The idea of a deadline for polarization just encourages me to heap judgments on myself. I trust that whatever happens in 2012 will be for the best, and while it's taken me a long time to get to that point, I feel like releasing my anxiety about the concept has actually helped me focus on my own development more.

Very well said!

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When I first heard about Wilcock and his take on 2012 I was pretty frightened, actually! You can imagine my turmoil being newly awakened to it all. I felt like I suddenly had this weight on my back, like I had to carry this heavy clock that was ticking down the minutes until 2012. And I worried about what would happen to my family and friends, and the world at large. But looking back, it just served a catalyst for me to seek further. It wasn't long after that I started reading Q'uo transcripts. I imagine that this must be a common path for many. Nobody ever said seeking the truth is easy!

Oh wow, that is exactly what I experienced! I finally realized that I was becoming like the born-again Christians, worrying about who was 'saved' and who was not...and waiting for the rapture. That was very disconcerting! I felt very sheepish!

For me also, it was the Q'uo transcripts that released me from this worry and now I feel so much freer. They helped me to realize that polarizing must be a proactive process...something we DO, not something that is done TO us...In other words, we are each responsible for our own choices, and in light of that, it would behoove us to focus on what we do, instead of waiting for something to happen to us. The emphasis in the 'sudden shift' idea seems to be too much about something happening to us...and therefore is a distraction, imo.

I do still think it's important to be aware of 2012, particularly because of the window to more 3D incarnations closing (for the purpose of polarizing), but guess what, we already don't know how much time in 3D we have, so the old adage to live each day as though it were your last, still holds true.

As for David Wilcock, I'm not sure what anyone means by 'authentic.' I don't think he is any more or less 'authentic' than any of us. He has his opinions, but his opinions are no more or less valuable than your opinion or my opinion (imho! ha). He is an other-self doing the work he believes in, offering his info for those who resonate with it. I think he did a terrific job compiling all that scientific data in the Convergence books, and I still refer people to his site because of those books, but I happen to disagree with many of his conclusions. I remember reading someplace (in the Law of One, maybe?) that sometimes those in the position of being a spiritual 'leader' often are found to be less than perfect, for the express purpose of learning/teaching that we are all teachers and students, and no one is 'above' anyone else.

Hence, I see David's work the same as anyone else's: Accept that which resonates, discard what doesn't. Hold him in the highest love/light just as you would anyone else, but don't put him in a 'guru' position because that probably wouldn't be helpful to him. I've gotten to know a few spiritual 'leaders' and famous people, and guess what, they are just other-selves, doing their thing, just like you and me.

[Quantum]

I've followed David Wilcock's work for some time - it was my introduction to the Law of One. 2012 used to be very important to me. I now find the concept to be distracting to my spiritual growth. The idea of a deadline for polarization just encourages me to heap judgments on myself. I trust that whatever happens in 2012 will be for the best, and while it's taken me a long time to get to that point, I feel like releasing my anxiety about the concept has actually helped me focus on my own development more.

I was also introduced to the whole concept of LOO by our dear David, but I also find his work distracting now. It's a great introduction, and I am grateful for him for that, but I feel there is something wrong with David, a 'gut feeling' if you will.
There is something very deep inside him that is not harmonized, that permeates all his words, his website and his forum. There is an aggression towards criticism, judgement and an underlying purpose. It's hard to put to words. I can only intend the best for his spiritual evolution.

I am thrilled to see that there seems to be a growing and resonating sentiment amongst many that 2012 may be a far more elegant evolution as a process than what some authors, and even movies alike, attribute their focus towards as based on their own fear biased views. There is an axiom from a book by Sheldon Kopp that shares, "If you see Buddha on the road kill him." The point to this being that the only way to even begin the steps towards awareness, much less enlightenment, is to ultimately release the teacher, and recognize that the emperor has no clothes. There is no spoon. There is no Emperor. There aint no one here but us chickens striving to be eagles. We're all pilgrims walking on the dusty trail together stumbling in the shadows of faith. How might any man have a greater truth than your own? Releasing the teacher is a simple must in order that one may become one's own teacher to oneself. This is true growth. A child knows this instinctively when rebelling against a parent. The Jim Jones cool-aide test is to simply and graciously take a pass on the drink being offered.

This gentleman has performed a herculean amount of research of various materials to be sure. But it may all lead to vanity if it leads to the undoing of love and gentleness of life as a conclusion. As Edgar Cayce himself stated (as he claims he is), one can read anything into the Bible one wishes as easily as one can read out of it. Surely this holds true for cloud gazing and Rorschach ink blot tests as much as to the opining on metaphysics and the Law of One as well? No? What is perplexing is that we as a species seem compelled to need to allow others to do our thinking for us as though members of a club with a dire need to be right, while "making them wrong." It makes us feel as though we belong by making "them" feel they don't. As history has proven, God forbid one attempt to hold an open academic dialogue when the masses have been convinced of their consensus mindset to a higher personal truth that belongs to their teacher that presumably the student couldn't reckon for himself.

It is our duty to always be revolutionary/evolutionary/radical in our own thinking as a means to stir us awake, less we fall asleep at the wheel in the stupor of another's truth. But this is self evident. Ra admonishes in each reading that we think for ourselves. We must always remain vigilant and be willing to gently nudge our sleeping brother to wake. This is why wanderers feel compelled to return.

What if 2012 is far more elegant than this author, or others, have it in question as their truth, no longer capable of being questioned. To the entire subject of 2012, I offer a radical concept; another thought experiment if you will:

What if all we've read is true...in a larger sense, but perhaps different in a smaller sense? What if 2012 is an occurrence that is, and has been, transpiring either from one perspective since time began, or from another at some appointed time during the 1930's, or 1960's, or 70's, or 90's. You see the point how absurd it begins to appear? Surely, it is indeed transient and distracting from this perspective.

But, from another, what if this occurrence, as believers we can at least agree will occur in some form or fashion, looks something like this:
1. A door opens on 2012. Thats it. Thats all. Nothing more grand. No fan-fare. No parade. No confetti. No horns.
2. However, in suggesting that nothing more grand occurs, this is in fact suggestive of the Grandeur that "may" occur, should one be of sufficient grade to enter. Herein, after having stepped through that door, do the trumpets sound, the parade begin, the confetti drop, as all are welcomed having earned this passage.

Now, what might this entering look like? Perhaps it looks something like this:
1. For those not able to withstand the newer vibration, they simply live out the rest of their lives as would be expected of a normal life. They live, they experience, they die at the end of their lives.
2. For those able to accept the newer, higher, more refined vibration of 4D, they too live out the rest of their lives as would be normally expected. They too live, they too experience, they too die at the end of their lives.
3. In other words.....ta-da....nothing happened in life.
4. The happening is far more sublime, elegant, and gentle than imagined or dreamed of by the "Rapturists", Law of One or otherwise. "The Happening" happens upon the natural death of the physical vehicle. It has perhaps been happening all along through this methodology. It happened to several lost civilizations some 25,000 years ago. They simply vanished, yet life went on. Here may be elegant truth to this theory.

Those capable of elegantly assimilating the newer vibration of 4D have by vibrational capacity inherited the right to enter upon their will before death, or their demise after, whilst those that have not yet sufficiently achieved this ability have the majestic gift of repeating 3D after their demise, this following their right to review, subsequent to their right to return.
5. Now, Gia herself, notwithstanding her occupants, also has the gift afforded herself of transitioning into 4D as well, but perhaps gradually as has been at least indicated by Ra and Quo both, and this moreover covering the course, measured in time/space of some several hundred years of this door that presented itself open, if you will.

1. What if everything we believe is true?
2. But what if it occurs naturally, after our natural demise, as a result of a door that opened fully on 2012, but only able to be entered in following the stage occurring after death, or before for some as potentially seen in cultures before as proof?
3. Gia is already vibrating at greater degrees in 4D presently. She will continue gradually to do so, and most profoundly beginning at 2012 fully. It is not the beginning of the end as we know it, but more the end of the beginning as we've known it.

Now, a conclusion is only as sound as it's premise, as offered in a previous post written by myself. I can draw any premise for any ground, and argue it's inevitable conclusion by sound reasoning and logic alone, and then busy myself finding the supporting documentation for same, not withstanding the sore lack of evidence. Were I to begin with the premise that the life of the physical vehicle (us, your children, your mother, all mankind) is to end on 2012, I dare say I may read into any number of channeled sessions, as well as the Bible, and tea leaves to boot, as much as Ra to support this as a conclusion. Just as assuredly, were I to begin with the premise that it will transition gradually, elegantly, and smoothly, not withstanding earth changes, bobbles, and bumps, and even life, I can read anything into anything, as much as I can read anything out of that same thing. I continue to maintain that a conjecture of this sort, says far more about the author of this opinion than it does about the theory.

As a test to this theory, let us run the experiment as a group to discover how much evidence may be gathered for the support of this positive life sustaining theory specifically as offered above based either through inference or direct quote of the Ra Material alone. By this, I mean not only the evidence offered directly thus far, as has been uncovered already and as would be self evident, but more to the point, the other quotes through which one might deduce the more positive position, specifically that indeed one must die, but not until one expires naturally.

I accept that Ra states that one must surely die to enter 4D. This may be self evident. 3D can not sustain itself in 4D. But where does it state emphatically that one must die a premature death of the physical vehicle in an instant on 2012, verses the natural death as though by a transition to a higher level? If interested, we may run this exercise to find the inferences, as well as direct quotes, of death as a necessity to enter 4D, and then examine them based on an entirely different premise that one must die, but die in the natural sense, as opposed to a cataclysmic end, or an instantaneous raptured event. You will, I assure, find that we may read a far more gentle interpretation into this if we begin from this premise as an exercise in logic, just as assuredly as you may find that life blows up with all the carnage and blood that must flow, verses the other of a puff in rapture reserved only for the chosen ones in an instant. Let us test ourselves. Let us find the quotes.

Let us examine them as an exercise with a specific premise in the effort of drilling down to an inevitable conclusion of 4D after natural death.

You will find far more than ever suspected to support this theory, and still be in the position of choosing one theory over the other. But the exercise will prove a profound point. "It ain't nuthin till ya call it", as Yogi Berra stated, and thus it reveals more about your psychology than it does the theory.

For example:


6.14 Questioner: I think that it would be appropriate to discover how the Law of One acts in this transfer of beings to our planet and the action of harvest?

Ra: I am Ra. The Law of One states simply that all things are one, that all beings are one. There are certain behaviors and thought forms consonant with the understanding and practice of this law. Those who, finishing a cycle of experience, demonstrate grades of distortion of that understanding of thought and action will be separated by their own choice into the vibratory distortion most comfortable to their mind/body/spirit complexes. This process is guarded or watched by those nurturing beings who, being very close to the Law of One in their distortions, nevertheless, move towards active service.

Me: What might this say as regards a gradual evolution?


17.29 Questioner: Am I to understand that the harvest is to occur in the year 2011, or will it be spread out?

Ra: I am Ra. This is an approximation. We have stated we have difficulty with your time/space. This is an appropriate probable/possible time/space nexus for harvest. Those who are not in incarnation at this time will be included in the harvest.

Me: In other words, those on the other side are also granted the right to pass through this door opening, as much are those currently alive. But where does it emphatically state you must die now first? You may die after you've been allowed to live a full life and then pass through this door through vibratory rights of will.

6.17 Questioner: Is this inconvenience imminent within a few years?

Ra: I am Ra. This inconvenience, or disharmonious vibratory complex, has begun several of your years in your past. It shall continue unabated for a period of approximately thirty of your years.

6.18 Questioner: After this period of thirty years I am assuming that this will be a fourth-density planet. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is so.

Me: The planet becomes 4th density. No argument. Now, as I read, there exist 8 octaves in toto, each as a subset of the other in transition to the next, until it reaches fully the next octave. Might we deduce that 4D begins in it's first octave of 4D, verses presuming it is fully 4D at it's highest octave? Have the laws of octaves suddenly been suspended? Does this stand to reason by all we have read? Is/are the author(s) in question asking us to suspend our reasoning, or is he/they simply innocent in having missed it? Is the sky suddenly falling? In other words, perhaps Gia in 4D begins at her first octave, as much as would you or I? As above so below in all matters involving the microcosm as much as the macrocosm. Need 3D die in an instant/yet in this thought experiment? Gia in the 1st octave of 4D might be an entire new thread of revelation. It must be so, but is not addressed in the sessions only because it was not asked. A truth not specifically stated but inferred is shouting at us.

6.19 Questioner: Is it possible to estimate what percent of the present population will inhabit the fourth-density planet?

Ra: I am Ra. The harvesting is not yet, thus, estimation is meaningless.

Me: Straight form Scripture - "No man knoweth the hour save the Father." The planet will be 4th density, but the harvest is not yet, as life is not over yet. Perhaps some indeed will be harvested through and by will and choice, while others may stay on by will and choice through the natural death of the physical vehicle

13.22 Questioner: What is the density level of our planet Earth at this time?
Ra: I am Ra. The sphere upon which you dwell is third density in its beingness of mind/body/spirit complexes. It is now in a space/time continuum, fourth density. This is causing a somewhat difficult harvest.

Me: Reads as though the harvesting has already begun? The harvesting, as a consequence of the door having begun to open, and as a result of the planet now being in 3rd/4th, is already occurring for those that are passing or already have passed, but it is difficult due to a somewhat diluted not fully 4th change. Presumably when fully 4th, it will be less difficult for those harvestable to be harvested. Even if none have yet been harvested, the point remains.

From the sustained life premise to it's conclusion as an example: The Harvest begins occurring at 2011-2012. Those who are dead and deceased will be harvested if desired. Those alive who might will to be transitioned may also depart. But those perhaps willing to remain may do so as well. Does it stand to reason that a an STO oriented Logos would will that any who chose to remain throughout a natural life would be forced to go irregardless? Perhaps the bobbles and bumps and earth changes will facilitate the transitioning for some. Perhaps much has changed as Quo has indicted by our growth. Perhaps it seemed different in the 1980's when Ra gave this information and that we were all going the harder road that we've chosen to make lighter. But nowhere does it state emphatically as an eschatological truth, even in those channeled sessions, IMHO that death is a fait accompli. Please challenge me so I/we may grow. In this light the 2012 mythos becomes far from distracting, but becomes enlightening and liberating, as it demonstrates who we are, as much as the mirror will allow, and as does any other dialog we may immerse ourselves in for the same purposes, to discover ourselves, our beliefs, our energetic soul. Only by discovering ourselves do we become aware, to become enlightened. Isn't life after all one grand experiment in self discovery, even by the Creator himself through us? In this light, be not distracted. Dig deeper in joy ecstasy and rapture. This is a far cry from distraction.

Now, here is an experiment towards creating a Social Memory Complex right here and right now within our own group and forum. Might this be an experiment as well?

Q

[Lavazza]

I remember reading someplace (in the Law of One, maybe?) that sometimes those in the position of being a spiritual 'leader' often are found to be less than perfect, for the express purpose of learning/teaching that we are all teachers and students, and no one is 'above' anyone else.

Hence, I see David's work the same as anyone else's: Accept that which resonates, discard what doesn't. Hold him in the highest love/light just as you would anyone else, but don't put him in a 'guru' position because that probably wouldn't be helpful to him. I've gotten to know a few spiritual 'leaders' and famous people, and guess what, they are just other-selves, doing their thing, just like you and me.

Monica,

Thanks for helping me remember / learn that. It had a powerful resonance when I read it!

[ayadew]

Hence, I see David's work the same as anyone else's: Accept that which resonates, discard what doesn't. Hold him in the highest love/light just as you would anyone else, but don't put him in a 'guru' position because that probably wouldn't be helpful to him. I've gotten to know a few spiritual 'leaders' and famous people, and guess what, they are just other-selves, doing their thing, just like you and me.

Well said, my friend.

[irpsit]

Dear friend Quantum,

Great post, we are indeed creating at the moment a social memory complex!
By becoming aware and putting our energy together that brings it forward more and more.
What would you suggest?
I think at the moment what it needs to be further discussed in the current social memory complex of mankind is that what will be 2012 about but 1) what practical steps should we take towards we get close to each other more than this individualistic 3D society, and 2) which steps can we make at this precise moment for creating a society that works, such as providing the flow of goods (food, water, housing, a means of exchange? maybe based in trust and barter?). For example, how can we step out of unsustainable jobs to more ethical and communitarian occupations, towards that same social memory complex? I suggest that there are many occupations that are of a high energy, and even in each mundane occupation we can create that state of being.

Appologize me if you think otherwise, but I don't think discussing in detail if 2012 will be gradualist or sudden is of very much of help for our spiritual evolution! At least let us not become obsessed with this. Because the motivation beyond that is this same: what shall we do and become. And from there, we can think more of what can I be in relationship to the current spiritual transformation. Let me not lose in the stars, but instead listen to my inner being and look to what I should do next.
I think that the society will slowly dissolve, and people will rely more in local assotiation than the current global infrastructure, and become even more spirit aware.

Which steps can we take now?
For most people, spiritual steps such as meditation, knowing their inner being, becoming in touch with intuition and energy, emotional clearance, knowing their contribution to others, is also 3) a very important spiritual work to be done.

[Quantum]

Dear friend Quantum,
Great post, we are indeed creating at the moment a social memory complex! By becoming aware and putting our energy together that brings it forward more and more.
What would you suggest?
...which steps can we make at this precise moment for creating a society that works...
... I don't think discussing in detail if 2012 will be gradualist or sudden is of very much of help for our spiritual evolution! At least let us not become obsessed with this. Because the motivation beyond that is this same: what shall we do and become.
Which steps can we take now?

Dear irpsit,

Thank you for your kind words. IMHO, I believe firstly, and most profoundly, that with regard to this particular thread of 2012, that we need immediately to remove all fear. I loved Jeremy's terse poetic point referencing the fear of 2012 as synonymous to a "Deadline for Polarization." Well said Jeremy. It in my mind demonstrates the absurdity of this concept. Imagine a loving Father making this as part of his law? Does this even resonate? I personally just don't see it, or abide with it, for all the reasons I've posted to it thus far. I have challenged more than several times for just one single piece of information in the channeled sessions of the Ra teachings specifically, even if some suggest Quo has it as more gradual, where Ra has given that it is immediate?

Yes, I can see where one might read into it. Of course I can. But I can be also afraid of the dark or noises in the woods and read into that as easily as any man as well. But can we as a Social Memory Complex in the Making be not at least agreed to the fact that we may also allow ourselves the freedom to read out of it as well? Lets do the homework for goodness sakes. This is what we're here in the forum for, verses being voyeurs sitting in the bleachers pretending not to bite our nails when the evidence screams that most do by the very numbers of views to this thread thus far. Let us be forthright and honest. Let us take inventory and stock of ourselves, our integrity, and our selves. 2012 strikes fear for many, if not most. Even to the many (not all) who would suggest this thread or conversation as being more leaning to the transitory or meaningless, I would challenge this lovingly as being somewhat disingenuous and nonetheless fear based. I would offer that indeed we in fact discuss it in greater detail, so as to dispel any misconceptions given, by perhaps only one or two more popular writers of the Law of One in particular, who we have allowed to do our thinking for us.

It would not be healthy, prudent, or wise to simply ignore it, duck it, or dismiss it, as if though it is unimportant, transient, or trivial, particularly when as much attention has been paid to it, this by the sheer blatant evidence by the numbers alone that this single thread has garnished the single most views of all so far. This screams as self evident proof that as much as we all wish to believe this information as being transient as the Ra teachings have stated they are, we are nonetheless blocked by it by our concern over it. Let us be honest so that we may stand in integrity that indeed it is transitory. But to do this we must first be willing to deconstruct it. Otherwise, we pretend that there is no bogey man under the bed, that all pretend isn't, that most are all afraid of is nonetheless. There is great richness in this humor, as much as there is great pathos in it as well.

To your beautiful question then irpsit, you ask:"What would you suggest?...which steps can we make at this precise moment for creating a society that works", I would offer we do nothing more than elegantly and graciously change our perception, i.e. "SEE IT DIFFERENTLY" . Thats all. Thats it. Its as simple as that. But simple is not always easy. Let us release the fear. Release the teacher(s) in your mind that is/are the Bogey Men creating this fear, who suggest they are better suited to tell you whats what by the sheer weight of their work, intellect, years of study, self proclaimed higher knowledge, or that they are academic scholars of any particular filed in esoteric literature or particular teachings such as the Law of One, blah, blah, blah. Is there such an animal? Is there a certificate from some institution that I am unaware of that may be offered as proof? Would such a claim be one that a true loving teaching would make? Would not the best teacher(s) teach you how to fish, rather than speak about fishing the whole day long, and how much better suited they are to same? Lets us deconstruct this teaching by true open academic scholarly dialog where the opinion of all matter, even those that choose to cling to the "Die Hard With a Vengance" view ala the Law of One?

The only manner available for us to deconstruct a false teaching given in word, is to do so through conversation and word again. Let us then shine the light under the bed to demonstrate there is no bogey man there. This is the profound effect of words. They cut both ways. They may create fear as much as they may deconstruct fear. We live in our words for the moment. For my child I would with care and love take his hand gently while shining the light under the bed in the effort of showing him nothing is there. I would then begin building steps in understanding for him after this. I would to the converse offer him nothing by simply dismissing his fear, naming it as transitory, or suggesting one needn't be concerned, or that if he were that it is distracting. The bogey man would only continue to lurk in spite of all my suggestions to the contrary. I would suggest that many of us are still as though children, and that all, without reservation, are still children at times. We all need only to be lovingly guided by the hand with loving gentle words. Thats all. This is the beginning of creating a Social Memory Complex. None are better suited at evolution than another. How absurd and sad this even sounds. Am I a being from the 6th density capable of communing with the Muses when I can not even commune with my neighbor in loving fashion anonymously by blog? Given I am a child of infinity, does it even matter if I am in 6th visiting 3rd, or 3rd striving for 4th, when ultimately I am that I am? Does not even this sound absurd? How would I know in any event? Because I have a feeling?

I would offer, by example only, that this knowledge given by Ra of 6th density visitors in 3rd is important for hierarchical understanding only, but immediately becomes patently transient the moment we begin trivializing it by making it personal. To the same extent, 2012 has become personal, thus transient, but now needs be worked through as a result as much, as is the feeling I may be wandering through this dark dank dungeon of 3D, as I've read often enough, rather than seeing the light anywhere I am given I take it with me wherever I go. "And Heaven is spread out upon the Earth and MAN KNOWS IT NOT."

3D in this light (pardon the pun) is as much Heaven as is 9D or 99D, for "Heaven is within". Heaven is even within Hell, as the Biblical myth or truth is reveled in the allegory or fact of Jesus wrestling the Keys away from Lucifer by his mere presence alone of descending there to unloosen the knot. Heaven is within. Where is there to go then? Let us assume we are Star Born to begin with, of the Logos Itself, that came here to experience itself. I was already there. I am (partly) here now. In this context, wondering if I am 6D, whilst my brother huddles in the corner agonizing over whether he will make it out of 3rd before his perceived "Deadline to Polarization" chimes at the strike of 12:00, is truly ego based, this as I stare into my mirror gazing at my reflection, mesmerized or as agonized with how far I have come as is he, and as far removed from STO as I can imagine. Let us unloosen him from this knot as well as a "Social Memory Complex of Love in the Making".

Let us depersonalize the Ra teachings, and allow them to remain as lofty as they are. I needn't gaze in the mirror at me while wondering how far I am while my brother sleeps in fear. There may be no better 'there' than 'here' in any event if I am truly integrated as a loving brother. I think Ra would smile a pleasing smile if we were able to retract ourselves out of the teachings so as to not be distracted by them in the process. The teachings may create a knot for the student otherwise. Has this not happened before according to Ra? Is this not the reason why He/They feel the responsibility for not moving forward themselves?

Were the lessons taken to heart to a greater degree, rather than allowed to stroke the ego, however grand or minimal, would not all the teachers and guardians and brothers of sorrow alike smile all the more? To the same extent, perhaps deconstructing the fear(s) that have accumulated around 2012 may be equally of good work in STO fashion for all, if not at least those in fear, through a serious group study of the passages. I maintain to lovingly challenge, show us where it says that Ra said what you share or fear you've been led to believe he said? I dare say to many, that reading someone else's interpretations and allowing yourself to believe they are now yours is much the same as the example of watching the commentaries and news you view on television only to discuss these views at the water cooler the following day as your own.

See it differently. Watch your world change. How elegantly simple.

Q

[fairyfarmgirl]

"See it differently. Watch your world change. How elegantly simple." -Q


Thank you for bringing this to all of our attention. The Now is where our Future is. Thus, we are all NOW-HERE at all times.

Thank you.

fairyfarmgirl

[irpsit]

Yes, We need to remove any fear around 2012, dimensions, harvest and polarization, and such.
The best is to follow our hearts in this quest, and connect with each other.

I truly think/feel more and more that there is no need to prepare to 2012, no more than I prepare to death (which in most people is almost nothing!) I repeat, no need.

Ra has stated about the inconveniences of knowing about the transition. Now, the best is to remove our fears, to remove from living for the future, and live in the now, and as much as full with our hearts and souls, brother to brother.

Look everyone, There are thousands of thousands of seconds during a day. Why waste them on worries? There is a huge amount of time to express our love!!! Every day, for thousands of days, a miriad of seconds

[Ali Quadir]

People, what do you think about the notion that this social memory complex is already created? That she is like someone who just woke up from sleep.. Slightly disoriented, still seeing dream vistas but already making choices.

The only thing that is lacking is a full awareness of self and surroundings but the entity has already arisen.

How else can we act from a 4d understanding so often? How else can 4d guidance already express itself today?

[Lavazza]

Quantum & company,

I've really been enjoying the direction this thread has taken, and thank you for your contributions that has helped in this. I've been following along with your last two posts and couldn't agree more. I especially resonate with the statement that we are here to create our own realities. Not wait for them to happen to us, like a 'get out of jail free' card. Else how would we learn, how would anyone learn anything? And that's the only reason we're here: Learning!

L/L,
Lavazza

[Ali Quadir]

And that's the only reason we're here: Learning!

Why, if we're here to learn, did we forget everything we know before we got there?

Maybe we came here to forget instead?
Like some large intergalactic foreign legion.

But all kidding aside. The question is real. Why if we came here to learn did we begin by forgetting?

[rva_jeremy]

I finally realized that I was becoming like the born-again Christians, worrying about who was 'saved' and who was not...and waiting for the rapture.

Precisely. David understands the distorted nature of this reaction to his work. But he also plays into it a bit because he emphasizes the ascension phenomenon so intensely - not, I believe, out of anything other than a strong sense of urgency within him.

As for David Wilcock, I'm not sure what anyone means by 'authentic.'

Well, those weren't my exact words. I meant that I think he's the real deal as far as being a psychic and a channel. For whatever that's worth. He did a reading for me that was absolutely foundational, so I'm inclined by personal prejudice to judge his abilities as genuine.

I think it's likely that he's the recipient of a contact. It begins to exceed my comfort zone to speculate on the exact identity of the contact. I think the contact, at best, has to deal with a lot of his firm ideas about 2012, ascension, etc. At worst, it has negative elements that are planting these ideas. I don't see much difference, honestly - it's always, always, always on the listener to use discernment. And using discernment one can get a lot out of David's readings, especially his earlier ones that deal more with metaphor.

I've told David before that I don't care if he's Edgar Cayce or not. That seemed a great relief to him at the time. Later on, when he started advertising his past life more openly, it was a source of discomfort between us - not because I believed or disbelieved him so much as I had always found it an act of immense integrity that he didn't make it a big deal to people. I'm not sure how useful it is for anybody to dwell on a past life too much (it becomes a transient detail far too often).

I think L/L Research has to (and probably has) come to grips with the fact that David will be a gateway for people to the Law of One material. I'm still influenced by David's ideas on the application of the Law of One to physical reality (his work on the relationship between the densities and alternative physics filled in a lot of blanks in Ra's explanations). That doesn't mean that we should use any less (or, for that matter, more) discernment when approaching David's work than Ra's.

[Monica]

Thanks for clarifying, Jeremy!

And thanks for making the distinction between David's ideas and Ra's teachings. David has said that his Ra is not an extension of the Law of One contact. I know there has been a bit of confusion, with the name being the same.

I'm not going to comment on David himself, beyond what I've already said about his work being subject to the same discernment as any other. My personal philosophy is that I prefer to discuss ideas and concepts, rather than specific people. Therefore, I will limit my participation in this discussion to that which explores ideas (whether they are his, Ra's, yours, mine, or anyone else's), rather than him (or anyone else) as a person.

[Quantum]

"See it differently. Watch your world change. How elegantly simple." -Q

Thank you for bringing this to all of our attention. The Now is where our Future is. Thus, we are all NOW-HERE at all times.
Thank you.

Yes, We need to remove any fear around 2012, dimensions, harvest and polarization, and such.The best is to follow our hearts in this quest, and connect with each other.

Quantum & company,

I've really been enjoying the direction this thread has taken, and thank you for your contributions that has helped in this. I've been following along with your last two posts and couldn't agree more. I especially resonate with the statement that we are here to create our own realities. Not wait for them to happen to us, like a 'get out of jail free' card. Else how would we learn, how would anyone learn anything? And that's the only reason we're here: Learning!
L/L,
Lavazza

David (Wilcock) understands the distorted nature of this reaction to his work. But he also plays into it a bit because he emphasizes the ascension phenomenon so intensely - not, I believe, out of anything other than a strong sense of urgency within him.

I think it's likely that he's the recipient of a contact. It begins to exceed my comfort zone to speculate on the exact identity of the contact. I think the contact, at best, has to deal with a lot of his firm ideas about 2012, ascension, etc. At worst, it has negative elements that are planting these ideas.

I think L/L Research has to (and probably has) come to grips with the fact that David will be a gateway for people to the Law of One material.

Thanks for clarifying, Jeremy!

And thanks for making the distinction between David's ideas and Ra's teachings. David has said that his Ra is not an extension of the Law of One contact. I know there has been a bit of confusion, with the name being the same.

Thank you Fairyfarmgirl, irpsit,and Lavazza for the willingness to engage and participate. Let us for a moment draw distinctions between differing words as two concepts as an exercise if I may:Teaching verses Opinion and Judgment verses Discernment. A Teaching is best when disseminated as information based on fact. Sadly it is altogether distorted if held out as a teaching when in fact it is an opinion proclaimed as fact based on a subjective truth which can not be proven. Thus in this case it is neither a teaching, nor is it a truth. It is an opinion. An opinion is subject to challenge and discussion. A teaching is based on truth and fact, and generally as such is more difficult to challenge, even though there may be much to discuss. Generally speaking, once a teacher has taken it upon himself to blur the distinction between these two, grand distortion results. His opinion becomes subject, in his mind, as truth. He then requires a body of support, as either more opinions as facts, or more support, as in others, to strengthen his opinion.

Judgment is attachment. Discernment is intuiting truth without attachment.

As regards this thread, or any teaching, I would state emphatically to all, that we must be ever vigilant when listening to the "interpretations"of another as regards any Source Material, than what should rather resonate as truth from within self. Thus, over and over again, does Ra repeat, to dismiss what seems as a dissonant truth. This comes from them as regards their own information for heavens sake. Why might this not be far more true then as regards an interpreter who opines on their (Ra's) information that they (Ra) suggest to dismiss if perceived or received as dissonant or discordant? Why might not you, or the next person, be any less able to discern the Law of One for oneself and be your own interpreter rather than would another individual or "supposed teacher" be better suited? Unlike a specific body of knowledge such as complex tax law, microbiology, or hydraulic engineering requiring an expert to interpret for you, the Law of One as a truth is open to all requiring nothing more than a willing mind and open heart to engage it. We require no experts or their interpretations. We require only gentle opinions, open hearts, open minds, and willing spirits to engage it. I defer to my tax consultant, financial planner, physician, attorney, plumber, and mother , and all the like for all matters regarding their expertise. My attorney's, plumber's, physician's, and mother's teachings count as more than opinion, given I rely on them as a matter of course. I defer to no one for my evolution of spirit. Thank you very much. I am as capable of washing my own body parts as well.

Be the anarchist and toss all teachers and interpretations out immediately, this post haste before first having read the material for oneself foremost! Too many read only the interpreter's interpretation, rather than the Source material itself. This has been as true of the Bible, Bhagavad Gita, Koran, etc, etc, as it is of the Law of One.

By way of example, there is absolutely nothing whatsoever inherently wrong with Christianity in and of itself, save the teachers and interpreters who insist on saving us, God help us, or God forbid, teaching us their slant. This wholly singular point is what has distorted scripture of any doctrine more than any single other thing! Might you believe this is any less true of the Law of One?

Attaching, compartmentalizing, arguing, and judging is where the mire begins in the Human Drama. Ram Dass once stated that there is no Hell. Hell, he went on to share, is in relationship. Here is where we begin always and forever to muck it up. It's what we do. It is the full reason for 3D. How sweetly ironic and paradoxically beautiful at once. We are here to de-muck, as it were. But even in the de-mucking experiment, we are caught in the mire and muck of it all by mucking it up for one another in the process, as much as ourselves as an end result. We are Mucked! Muck you! Muck Me! Muck it all! Concepts and discussions on 2012, as any other, serve as a wonderful mirror to this wonderful experiment called life. Look to see how sadly attached many become to a certain slant of any philosophy, and how more sadly bent they become as a result. Is it not sadly self evident? It happens even in a pool hall, golf course, daily water cooler discussion, dinner table, interstate, and all of life.

I have been suggesting from the beginning of my thread, to this subject of 2012, that one's subjective viewpoint reflects more one's inner spiritual psychology than does any objective truth one way or another. What becomes the shallow shame is that at any point wherein we as a group, be it here, a church, or theology class, begin discussing a supposed teacher, as much as the source teaching itself, as though one were even slightly as significant as the other, then rest assured, we have grown astray from Source. Is this not also self evident? Ra themselves dismissed their dire lack of understanding as often and as much as did even Jesus dismiss himself, both always emphatically stating that Source is all truth and emanation.

The rays of the sun shine equally on all, and not one single ray shines brighter or more for one, or on another, than for all others. Truth is the same. Herein lie the similarity and sameness of truth and light. Now, if this is so, then why would one think more of any self professed preacher or teacher's interpretation(s), be he on the Pulpit, TV, Newspaper, or Net, than one would oneself's?

I assure you, the truth, as surely as the sun, shines as brightly on you as on them. It just do what it do. It shines.

We must all discern. There exists a vast difference of distinction between discernment verses judgment. The chasm is wide as is the path narrow between the two. If we are admonished to discern the teaching, does it not stand to reason all the more to then discern any self professed teacher unable to teach the unprovable as fact, verses the opining of an opinion?

This is true of any televangelist, preacher, philosophy teacher, or medium, verses my attorney or mother

Let us then remain always with 'Source' as Inspiration; Inspiration from the Latin Inspiratus - literally defined as "On The Breath Of God". Inspire defined as 'to breathe in'. Expire defined as to 'breathe out'. With each breath we breathe are we inspired "On The Breathe of God". This is Source. Let us remain on Source. Source is not opinion. Opinion is based on opining. Teachings are best defined as fact based. There is a vast difference between fact poised as truth based on opinion verses that which is posed as a teaching based on truth. All should be open to dialoging and considering opinions and participating as though a dance with same. All should to the converses be wary of anything poised as a teaching which in fact is an opinion. This truth applies to any teacher or any teaching, as it falls to us to discern a teaching from an opinion.

Is this not the source of friction of all mankind as history?
Judgment vs Discernment / Teaching vs Opinion.

Were opinion truth, then Bill O' Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, and Howard Stern would be teachers, as much as would Ra. The three former would have you believe their opinion is solvent truth. The latter would have you refrain from the former.

Be ever noble, be ever vigilant, be ever humble in your strength to stand your ground, for you are Star Born as are all. Draw your circle gently and wake up to your own.

Q

[fairyfarmgirl]

Q:

Are you speaking to me as you quoted me? I am unsure as to how being in the now is an opinion. Could you clarify, please. Thank you.


fairyfarmgirl

[ubergud]

And that's the only reason we're here: Learning!

Why, if we're here to learn, did we forget everything we know before we got there?

Maybe we came here to forget instead?
Like some large intergalactic foreign legion.

But all kidding aside. The question is real. Why if we came here to learn did we begin by forgetting?

I think this is an interesting point, which should be explored. And it makes me wonder if the 'learning' we came to do has more to do with 'experience' than what we traditionally consider learning. That is 'experiencing' an environment where we do not have a 'how to be' handbook, and in so doing, gaining a better understanding.

For example:

Parent: [to child], 'Do not touch the stove, it's hot'.
Child: 'Why?'
Parent: 'Because hot things burn you, it will hurt.'
Child [uncertain, curious] ... touches the stove.
Child knows what hot is much more clearly than just the vague idea of hurt.

One child may hear the warning and trust the parent. Another may not understand (or want to know more intimately), and touch anyway. While in terms of avoiding pain the former may seem more wise, in terms of gaining a clearer understanding of why, the 2nd may have more wisdom to offer. Imagine each child passing along the 'why' to their children had they never touched the stove ... which would be a better teacher? Likely it would perhaps depend on the student :-).

Peace and Joy,

Jason

[DyerHarris]

if that soul has stopped in third density, then it chooses, completely on its own and with no judgment
involved, to repeat the third-density experience.

In many cases this decision will not simply be for another incarnation, because this is the time of Earth harvest. It will mean there will be a 25,000 year period during which that spirit will enjoy third
density upon another planet. However, it is not a punishment to repeat a grade. It is simply the right place for that soul that enjoys that range of light. If that spirit has stopped across that quantum divide between third and fourth density, that entity may then choose to begin a series of incarnations in fourth density and can be said to have graduated from Earth’s third density.

does the soul have to go through the full 25,000 years until its next chance to ascend or can it ascend sooner than that?

[βαθμιαίος]

Thus, over and over again, does Ra repeat, to dismiss what seems as a dissonant truth.

I agree with you about the need to think for ourselves, but I don't recall Ra ever saying this. They emphasized that certain answers were their opinion only and they mentioned that their information did not "have uses in the life-experience complex of each of those among your peoples who seek," but as far as I know the suggestion to take only what resonates and leave the rest comes from Q'uo, Hatonn, etc. rather than from Ra.

I think for Ra it was basically a given that people would only accept that which made sense to them. As a result there was no need to emphasize that idea.

[Quantum]

Q: Are you speaking to me as you quoted me? I am unsure as to how being in the now is an opinion. Could you clarify, please. Thank you.

Hello fairyfarmgirl,

I quoted you only to thank you for your participation and response to my post. As to your question as to "how being in the now is an opinion", I am assuming this is your statement from your previous post, verses what you are asking me as regards mine? If it is your statement as I believe it is, then I humbly agree, we are all always in the now at all times, as there is no other now than the one we always occupy.

[Monica]

Quantum, your entire post was awesome! But I especially liked this part:

What becomes the shallow shame is that at any point wherein we as a group, be it here, a church, or theology class, begin discussing a supposed teacher, as much as the source teaching itself, as though one were even slightly as significant as the other, then rest assured, we have grown astray from Source. Is this not also self evident?

[βαθμιαίος]

But all kidding aside. The question is real. Why if we came here to learn did we begin by forgetting?

We didn't come here to learn. We came here to choose. See Ra's poker game analogy.

[fairyfarmgirl]

Q: Are you speaking to me as you quoted me? I am unsure as to how being in the now is an opinion. Could you clarify, please. Thank you.

Thank you for your clarification, Q. I am ever so happy and grateful to be on this cusp of evolution...

fairyfarmgirl
Hello fairyfarmgirl,

I quoted you only to thank you for your participation and response to my post. As to your question as to "how being in the now is an opinion", I am assuming this is your statement from your previous post, verses what you are asking me as regards mine? If it is your statement as I believe it is, then I humbly agree, we are all always in the now at all times, as there is no other now than the one we always occupy.

[ayadew]

But all kidding aside. The question is real. Why if we came here to learn did we begin by forgetting?

We didn't come here to learn. We came here to choose. See Ra's poker game analogy.

Yes, this is the only density where we are truly free to choose. As there are no definite truths here, one is free to shape their reality into whatever one wishes. The body, the outside world, are but a catalyst, remove all these catalysts from your perception and you are in an existence which is only limited by thought, which has no limit.

[Lavazza]

We didn't come here to learn. We came here to choose. See Ra's poker game analogy.

Good point- and thanks for linking that. It's a great anaology!

[Quantum]

We didn't come here to learn. We came here to choose. See Ra's poker game analogy.

Good point- and thanks for linking that. It's a great anaology!

I might only humbly offer the same, but with the poetic twist that: "We came not here to be understood, but to understand."

The choosing = experience = understanding

Q

[Richard]

βαθμιαίος Wrote:

We didn't come here to learn. We came here to choose.

Yes...but there is not a single choice. Every second, every minute of every day is "The Choice" in one form or another. Does one choose to find the love in whatever they are doing..or not? Does one choose let the vehicle beside you pull in front of you .. or not? Does one open the door for the lady with all the children..or not?

"The Choice" is the reaction to the catalyst of day to day living. I don't believe one can simply say.." I choose the light" , but not walk the walk.

Sorry for the my continuing absenses. This is a great discussion, but life sure can throw some mean curve balls sometimes.

Richard

[fairyfarmgirl]

βαθμιαίος Wrote:

We didn't come here to learn. We came here to choose.

Yes...but there is not a single choice. Every second, every minute of every day is "The Choice" in one form or another.

"The Choice" is the reaction to the catalyst of day to day living. I don't believe one can simply say.." I choose the light" , but not walk the walk.


Richard

Thank you, Richard. This resonates with me... to chose to respond with love each and every moment... this is where the challenge is...
fairyfarmgirl

[Quantum]

Quantum, your entire post was awesome! But I especially liked this part:

What becomes the shallow shame is that at any point wherein we as a group, be it here, a church, or theology class, begin discussing a supposed teacher, as much as the source teaching itself, as though one were even slightly as significant as the other, then rest assured, we have grown astray from Source. Is this not also self evident?

Dear Monica,

This was a beautiful post I missed that I just found under "Session In Focus" titled 2006.01.01 End of 3D - No Fear . With your permission it seemed highly apropos to transfer it to this page. This is so much of what many have been feeling. It resonates so much more beautifully, sweetly, lovingly, and deeply than has ever any of the other bugga-boo same ol' the end is near fear promulgated since the beginning of time. I am strongly convinced that this promulgation is and has always been a highly distorted STS fear mongering agenda, pandering to the same crowd that is sadly more for the middle of the road average Joe, neither bad or good STO/STS, but stuck instead on a fence post they aren't even aware they're propped upon, many of whom even read, or even write profusely on such materials as the LOO or Scripture, but who resonate at least mildly, if not strongly, to pain, horror movies, car accidents, burning buildings, and even animal cruelty as sport at their best - and sadly animal torture at their very beginning worst, the same crowd possibly replete with CB radios that if not looking for catastrophe can't resist to stop to watch it should they come upon it in any event. They seem fascinated with fear, or at best struck dumb by it.

Carnage in fact, or in potential, has this attractor quality for some, if not in life expresssed, then in thought, as though a magnetic pull. Many can go on and on for years, reading or even writing copious volumes of dribble on the possibility of the end, and death as a consequence, speaking even spiritually to it's liberation and glory, ala Jesus or the LOO, missing as a result the beauty of life and all that life has to offer in the process. Talk about distortion and walking on the edge of the dark (if not at least a very muddled charcoal grey) side? It is a fixation, morbid, and doomey, locked in a Necromancy of sorts, but best left for the Edgar Allen Poe's of the world who at least do it very well.

2006.01.01 End of 3D - No Fear
This session sheds some much-sought light on the whole 'how will the shift happen' issue.

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0101.aspx

Excerpt:

"It is with some degree of gratitude and thankfulness that we take up this question of whether there is any reason to have fear at this time in your planetary process. There certainly are great changes taking place, and, indeed, some of the processes of change have completed their pattern to a great extent. The outworking of the forces involved in the planetary shift from third to fourth density, in terms of activation and the interpenetration of third by fourth density, has matured nicely.

We have been pleased to see the degree to which your planet’s people as a whole are increasing in their level of awareness of the planetary situation. This new level of awareness among what this instrument would call the grass roots of your globe means that there is more surface area, shall we say, for the light to shine through, which in turn helps the rest of the planetary population if it wishes to join the numbers of those who are awakening, making their choice, and creating for themselves the opportunity to graduate in service to others.

We are pleased, indeed, that groups such as yours all over the planet have enabled the third-density structure they do now enjoy as they have. It is extremely likely at this point that your population shall be able to enjoy uninterrupted and comfortable incarnations at the end of which lies the opportunity to choose the next classroom which you feel that you would best enjoy working in.

It is a very exciting time for your planet and for those of us who have watched your people through a great deal of difficult learning. We see better rates of awakening, shall we say, than the probability vortices of, say, thirty years in the past would have suggested."

------endquote------

Monica ended with: "Well I'm feeling relieved...what about you? I recommend reading the whole transcript, though, for some important caveats! Our work is not over yet!"

Be well all...life is beautiful,

Q