"The experience of no need to find the necessary emolument."

[AnthroHeart]

I never would have thought unity had to be earned. It's just a natural progression through the densities. We're returning to our source from which we were before. We've already been One with all. Now just returning to that place/experience.

[Adonai One]

Are we really returning anywhere? Can you really return to unity if it is inherent?

[AnthroHeart]

I'm talking about returning to the conscious experience of unity. I don't right now feel unified with anything at all.
In unity, I would certainly feel unconditional love from all of creation.

[Ankh]

I find myself unable to be convinced of thought that is not backed by a relevance to this question: How will this form of ethics help humanity?

Ok, I can answer this question, but before I continue this dance with you, can you answer one simple question, asked by me so many times, and also asked by this entity in this post, do you acknowledge that your current existence is based upon hard work of others, directly and indirectly?

My current existence is due to my own free will and the free will of others in complete unison, yes.

I didn't ask if your existence is based upon free will of others (which is actually an interesting question as you here seem to change you direction from calling people slaves to suddenly having free will; I guess it's more convinient in your discussion now that they have a free will); I asked if you do or do not acknowledge that your current existence is possible due to hard work of others, directly and indirectly?

[Adonai One]

I believe what I have said is equivalent to this:

My current existence is due to my own work and the work of others in complete unison, directly and indirectly.

Also, one can freely choose enslavement, in my perspective. One always has free will if there is a will to begin with.

[Ankh]

I believe what I have said is equivalent to this:

My current existence is due to my own work and the work of others in complete unison, directly and indirectly.

Also, one can freely choose enslavement, in my perspective. One always has free will if there is a will to begin with.

Yeah, I expected you would say something like that, so there is really no point of continuing this conversation with you.

Bye, bye A1. Good luck!

[Adonai One]

I enjoyed this. It shows you currently see a hierarchy. I will never be convinced of its existence. All things are one to me, always.

This saves us a discussion of semantics we cannot currently reconcile.

I owe my existence to everything, all things including myself as there is only one self.

[Ankh]

I enjoyed this. It shows you currently see a hierarchy. I will never be convinced of its existence. All things are one to me, always.

This saves us a discussion of semantics we cannot currently reconcile.

I owe my existence to everything, all things including myself as there is only one self.

Good for you! It shows you enjoy when there is disharmony and no understanding is reached. Which to me means that all your sweet words of oneness and whatnot are empty words.

[Fang]

"inherent" unity has (before this it was infinity and after this it will be something else) become a tautology for weaseling out of rational, honest discussion.

Oneness is something that is not appreciated by a skip and a jump, you can only accept what you are aware of, which is little. It's ironic that widening awareness thru acceptance so one can become "more whole" more "one with things" is often bypassed by people who just spew "I accept all things" (you are not aware of all things) which is an impossibility (and a dishonest action) and they stay at the same level (it becomes apparent after a while, the new identity is a mask for the same attitude) while thinking they have made some cosmic transcendence and congratulate themselves about that.

I have seen it too many times to find it funny anymore.

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In order to appease the visual learners:

[Horuseus]

In order to appease the visual learners:

The kinaesthetic learners are not amused.

[Adonai One]

When the present moment is seen as infinitely disharmonious, harmony is never found.

[Fang]

Not everyone stretches things to ridiculous absolute proportions so they can support ridiculous absolutist ideas.

[Adonai One]

I seek the creator. I seek the absolute within this given lifetime. I seek a constant momentum of pleasure in my life. I seek a polarized state of the greatest proportions. The "polarized state" this forum often offers is perpetual self-sacrifice. I often wonder if the forum's idol for the positive polarity is Santa Claus.

The "polarized state" often offered by this forum brings me no further abundance of true beliefs in reality, abilities nor applicable wisdom. In fact, it gives me the same doctrine provided by most educational institutions on "how to be a good person." It is funny how the Ra material often interpreted by the people of this forum is the same stuff humanity has repeated for centuries. I wonder if that was truly intended.

[Fang]

You speak as if you expect this forum to fulfill your wishes and c'mon, you of all people cannot talk about a lack of "applicable wisdom" (wisdom is actually inherently "applicable" since it is built from experience) lol.

Even if that were the case A1 why would you be so keen to reject what billions of people have said, do you really think that you are that far ahead of the curve? You have made the website into another authority for you to righteously rebel against, dude you ask questions so we answer, we're all trying to be friends here.

Don't go getting too insular man, when people have no critical peer review of their ideas they start believing everything that comes out of their head is true and honourable.

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I suggest you pick up the Ra Material and look up "orange ray", not because I think you have any sort of blockage (I don't think in LOO terms) but because you want to become more polarized and the Ra Material says in balance is essential for that and from your posts you have glaring issues with the idea of authority, which is an orange ray issue.

[Adonai One]

Our definitions of the rays are not in agreement. I have no such issue in accordance to my findings about myself from myself:

http://bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=9212

Most of the planet is unhappy and debases its heart and desires. I am happy and I am fulfilling my desires in my life. I do believe I am ahead of the curve.

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I am not insular. I am just not convinced of the qualifying beliefs of your arguments. Feel free to give me evidence of how your wisdom can help the human subject in practice.

[isis]

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[Ankh]

Our definitions of the rays are not in agreement. I have no such issue in accordance to my findings about myself from myself:

http://bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=9212

Most of the planet is unhappy and debases its heart and desires. I am happy and I am fulfilling my desires in my life. I do believe I am ahead of the curve.

Ah, we got ourselves another guru here again. Unfortunately they come in here and preach their philosophies from to time, confuse people, but fortunately they do go.

[Fang]

Well my definition of the rays comes from the Ra material lol so it seems yours does not, at least to much lesser degree which is quite a dissonant approach as you have made this book such an integral part of your worldview.

I'm not accusing you of being insular it's just a suggestion to clarify.

Well, I would not consider what I hold to be "wisdom" in the regular sense, wisdom and love in the Ra Material are universal principles not just personal attributes (universal principles have localized variables, see science for details) the two often get conflated though.

My "wisdom" though has helped myself and many people though, I am honestly considered "wise" by my peers and they seek my advice. I am achieving things in the world (work and [informal and formal] study, all of which I enjoy) whilst writing a book, not particularly because I want "my message/story" out there but because people are requesting it of me, the compulsion to produce is much stronger when I know it will actually please or help someone else rather than for my own ends. I do not have the gall to call my philosophy my own though, having read the works of great minds I have been afforded a glimpse into the beauty of the world, which I now appreciate for what it is and not what I would like it to be.

To be honest it seems much better than those days I thought I knew everything so I rented a place out and didn't work and relied on government benefits so I could pursue my obviously transcendental insights. Of course I thought the decision was justified since "all things are one" lol and looked scornfully at the "wageslaves" who were paying for my life, my university, the roads I walked, the library I would visit the hospital and so on...basically some serious appreciation of those things happened eventually. Of course during that insular period I had no one to discuss things with so I naturally believed all my own bullshit.

Most of the planet is unhappy and debases its heart and desires. I am happy and I am fulfilling my desires in my life. I do believe I am ahead of the curve.

I have never understood how people could measure value of life by achieved happiness... always seemed just a tad selfish.

[Adonai One]

I preach only The Law of One as in the literal law of unity.

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Most of the planet is unhappy and debases its heart and desires. I am happy and I am fulfilling my desires in my life. I do believe I am ahead of the curve.

I have never understood how people could measure value of life by achieved happiness... always seemed just a tad selfish.

What is the meaning of life according to you?

[Fang]

Which in your hands, is a tautology.

Look, it's one universe, each whole is a part of another whole but that doesn't mean that I can just offer up all my loose causal relationships in some sort of sacrifice to my new deity figure of unity, cos that is lazy thinking and stifles growth

[Adonai One]

What is the purpose of growth? What is the purpose of learning?

[isis]

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[Adonai One]

37.5 Ra: I am Ra. We shall comment. We hope that your Ra plans materialize. This is a cosmic joke. You were asking for such an example of humor and we feel this is a rather appropriate nexus in which one may be inserted. Continue with your intentions to the best of your natures and abilities. What more can be done, my friends?

[Fastidious Emanations]

I'm talking about returning to the conscious experience of unity. I don't right now feel unified with anything at all.
In unity, I would certainly feel unconditional love from all of creation.

Why?
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"inherent" unity has (before this it was infinity and after this it will be something else) become a tautology for weaseling out of rational, honest discussion.

Oneness is something that is not appreciated by a skip and a jump, you can only accept what you are aware of, which is little. It's ironic that widening awareness thru acceptance so one can become "more whole" more "one with things" is often bypassed by people who just spew "I accept all things" (you are not aware of all things) which is an impossibility (and a dishonest action) and they stay at the same level (it becomes apparent after a while, the new identity is a mask for the same attitude) while thinking they have made some cosmic transcendence and congratulate themselves about that.

Fang, have you yet accepted all things? Do you believe this is an impossibility?
How is it that any'thing' is 'unknown'? (I hope this is properly communicated..)
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Most of the planet is unhappy and debases its heart and desires. I am happy and I am fulfilling my desires in my life. I do believe I am ahead of the curve.

Ah, we got ourselves another guru here again. Unfortunately they come in here and preach their philosophies from to time, confuse people, but fortunately they do go.

Does this trouble you Ankh? Do you feel debased by it?
Free will, does it actually exist? We can cling to that notion..
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And also, isn't this topic actually devoted to things like the work of Nikola Tesla in trying to 'free' the 'average' to afford learning, pondering the universe, etc?

[Ankh]

Most of the planet is unhappy and debases its heart and desires. I am happy and I am fulfilling my desires in my life. I do believe I am ahead of the curve.

Ah, we got ourselves another guru here again. Unfortunately they come in here and preach their philosophies from to time, confuse people, but fortunately they do go.

Does this trouble you Ankh? Do you feel debased by it?

No, not that much. It's just a bit tiring, but I'll get over it!

[Phoenix]

So I pretty much decided to say what I think on this thread.

The idea that work is slavery is only applicable to the current situation. Where there is little regulation and employers are abusing their power. Such as the case with zero hour contracts where the employee has to be available from morning to evening (or the other thing they can do is create extremely low hour jobs and then the employee needs overtime so the employer has more flexibility). It is paid but it creates severe stress on the employees and can destroy their life, being at the beck and call of their employer. There are also a lot, (A LOT) of employers currently, whom, through subtle threats, take more and more liberties with their employees. Curtailing the freedom to control their own lives.

In a society where this was not the case, it would not be such a problem. If people could work and still have a life, such as I would understand to mean by the original quote that this thread is based on. Then it would not be so bad.

Secondly. The idea that if one person pays their tax then they are directly paying for those on benefit I don't think is correct. Because it eliminates the government as a reality who may decide to use tax money for whatever they want; tax cuts for the rich, or shovelling money to the military industrial complex, or bailing out banks.

[Adonai One]

The best regulation, in my view, is quitting a job you do not believe is humane within what your ideal of a humane society should allow. This will lower the supply of labor toward what is inhumane, leading towards a momentum of a lack of support that will end inhumane labor.

I do not need governance to tell me what is allowable and what is not. I shall decree that for myself.

In other words, law as a concept will fall away when people take responsibility for themselves.

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I enjoyed this. It shows you currently see a hierarchy. I will never be convinced of its existence. All things are one to me, always.

This saves us a discussion of semantics we cannot currently reconcile.

I owe my existence to everything, all things including myself as there is only one self.

Good for you! It shows you enjoy when there is disharmony and no understanding is reached. Which to me means that all your sweet words of oneness and whatnot are empty words.

Oneness is in the present moment. Disharmony only exists when the present moment is not enjoyed. I will always enjoy the present even in what is seen as disharmony. This is the Law of One to me: Oneness is always inherent.

[Melissa]

Adonai, I don't want to be rude or disrespectful but if you're unable to feel, or allow yourself to feel, a connection or a bond between yourself and others, your sense of oneness, the present moment, might not actually be oneness; you might be missing out on a lot more to enjoy.

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Or, 'potentially' enjoy. Because it's a rather challenging and, at times, painful process.

[Adonai One]

I feel an inherent bond in all cases as I can only see one being experiencing its true nature. I can't say I understand.

[isis]

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