How I interpret one of my life's most major catalyst...

[Adonai One]

Catalyst: A person asks me to do something.

Experience: I don't want to do it.

Significator: I am not doing it.

Transformation: The person is upset.

Great way: The person is upset at me over the long-term.

Catalyst: The person tells me I have to do the same thing, once more.

Experience: I don't want to do it.

Significator: I am not doing it.

Transformation: The person is even more upset.

Great way: The person is still upset at me over the long-term.

Catalyst: The person asks me to do the same thing one last time.

Experience: I still do not want to do it.

Significator: I am still not doing it.

Transformation: The person goes away.

Great way: The person accepts that I won't do it. I am left alone. Freedom. Fin.

[Alex Zachary]

Just do you it, you pansy. Nike

[Adonai One]

Just do you it, you pansy. Nike

The person wants me to work 40 hour weeks. I only wanted 20 and 20 pays my bills.

[Alex Zachary]

Ok. I see. But I don't think all interactions are as simple as you described in the first post. Sometimes, we must allow ourselves to see and hear more of what the other desires. But yeah 40 hours a week for a Hot dog and Coffee each day is bullshit.

[AnthroHeart]

Life will be easier when I pay off my mortgage, and hopefully don't have a car payment.

[vervex]

Correction, Mr Adonai. This is what I believe actually happens:


YOU:

Catalyst: A person asks me to do something.

Experience: I don't want to do it. (Resistance)

Experience/Significator: I am not doing it. (Choice made, process stops there - there is no transformation, there is no change)

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THE OTHER PERSON:

Catalyst: The other person asks help with doing something, the request is denied.

Experience: The other person is upset. (Resistance)

Experience/Significator: The other person is upset at me over the long-term. (Dwelling on the resistance, no transformation, no change.)

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YOU:

Catalyst: A person tells me I have to do the same thing, once more.

Experience: I don't want to do it. (Resistance)

Experience/Significator: I am not doing it. (Dwelling on resistance, no further change or transformation.)

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THE OTHER PERSON:

Catalyst: The other person asks help with doing something once more, the request is denied.

Experience: The other person is even more upset. (Further resistance)

Experience/Significator: The other person is still upset at me over the long-term. (Dwelling on resistance, no further change or transformation).

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YOU:

Catalyst: A person asks me to do the same thing one last time.

Experience: I still do not want to do it. (Resistance)

Experience/Significator: I am still not doing it. (Dwelling on resistance, no change or transformation)

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THE OTHER PERSON:

Catalyst: The other person asks help with doing something one last time, the request is denied.

Experience: The other person is not pleased, leading to giving up. (Resistance, followed by a release of it).

Experience/Significator: The other person accepts that their request cannot be fulfilled - You refuse to transform/change in any manner, forcing the other to transform in your stead. (Acceptance of the idea, enabling transformation)

Transformation: The other person changes their focus to, leaves the situation altogether. (Acceptance, automatic)

The Great Way: Completion has been reached by way that the other person has moved on. (Acceptance, reboot)

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CONCLUSION:

While the other person has completed the cycle by moving on, you are still stuck with your categoric "no", unmoving and unchanging in your pursuit of resistance in regards to the situation at hand. By not even addressing the person's request or attempting to find a consensus in this situation, you necessarily force the other person to bend to your will and change completely.

Congratulations, you have asserted your will onto an other as a response to a catalyst you initially interpreted as an assertion of their will over you. In other words; kill them or be killed mentality.

[Adonai One]

Tina, go back to the kitchen.

Also, what if my situation represented both people as one being?

[Jeremy]

Tina, go back to the kitchen.

Also, what if my situation represented both people as one being?

/grabs popcorn

LOL

[Adonai One]

Tina, can you give your ideal and positive scenario?

[vervex]

Tina, can you give your ideal and positive scenario?

Hahaha, well, in all cases, whether we are speaking of a single entity having an inner conflict or two entities or more having a conflict, I believe the most profitable course of action for both would be to enable maximal growth (transformation) for both, and this can be fulfilled by both individuals being open to understand each other, resulting potentially in the finding of an amicable solution in the best case scenario. In the situation you portrayed above, only one individual changes and it could be argued that it is through "sacrifice" or forcible transformation.

In all cases, if there is no desire from any of the two entities (or parts of the selves) to relate to each other, you will be stuck in a perpetual cycle of "will you help me?" "no." "will you help me now?" "no." "will you help me sometime like now?" "still no.". It really doesn't lead anywhere

[Fang]

More like

Two stubborn people argue

No agreement

One person is upset

The other is smug at having "won" and goes and posts about it on the internet trying to appropriate the events into something to do with a book he once read on the internet about aliens

[Ankh]

/grabs popcorn

LOL

And you said forums were getting boring lately! Pass me some pop corn, brother.

[reeay]

sounds like parent-adolescent interaction?

[Adonai One]

More like teacher-student. Mainly applies to homework. Never did it.

[Ankh]

sounds like parent-adolescent interaction?

And an unconscious contact with Archetype 23.

[Adonai One]

I would argue that if a majority of the human population embraced Archetype 23 we would have an age of wealth for the entire planet and all people.

[Ankh]

So what happened exactly? We all know that you don't want to work, we have a 6 pages thread about it, and that Tina is ok with supporting you. Why is this then your major catalyst now?

[Adonai One]

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[Melissa]

That sounds awful and I can relate to most of what you've described, as I've experienced it in the past. What I think you really need to do, yes indeed, is to find someone who can help you heal, in a wholistic fashion.

[Spaced]

Adonai, your last post makes me think of this Ra quote:

32.14 Questioner: I just meant was it possible, say, for a green-ray… when we’re talking about green-ray activation and energy transfers, is it possible for a green-ray person who is primarily green-ray activation to vary on both sides of green ray a large or a small amount in energy activation, or does he stay primarily green-ray?

Ra: I am Ra. We grasp the newness of material requested by you. It was unclear, for we thought we had covered this material. The portion covered is this: the green-ray activation is always vulnerable to the yellow or orange ray of possession, this being largely yellow ray but often coming into orange ray. Fear of possession, desire for possession, fear of being possessed, desire to be possessed: these are the distortions which will cause the deactivation of green-ray energy transfer.

The new material is this: once the green ray has been achieved, the ability of the entity to enter blue ray is immediate and is only awaiting the efforts of the individual. The indigo ray is opened only through considerable discipline and practice largely having to do with acceptance of self, not only as the polarized and balanced self but as the Creator, as an entity of infinite worth. This will begin to activate the indigo ray.

sounds like that fear of being possessed is the "most major catalyst" that you're talking about here.

[AnthroHeart]

When I thought I was possessed by Lucifer, there wasn't much pain. There was fear though. I thought I had been thrown into hell, but there was no physical pain. It was all mental anguish. I didn't have the fun he must have of actually doing evil, but I experienced the consequences of him. As if I were thrown into a black hole, to suffer there. And he once convinced me to throw my dog mentally into a black hole. It was love turned to hate.

I don't know what it is I suffer from mentally, but Adonai I can sort of understand where you're coming from. I've been close to ending my life a number of times. Once it was cause I thought I was being harvested negative. Another because I had almost hurt someone so badly, that made me feel such remorse. But I think about death a lot, and that living is a chore for me. I'm not sure if that's because there's a negative being attached. But I'm not in pain. Just restless here, where my vibrations don't quite jive with Earth.

I'm amazed I came out of this alive. Even now I've lost my sexual attraction to anthros, which used to be really strong. But it will probably come back. I've never had real romance in my life.

[Ankh]

I saw that there was no will for me to do anything but my own. I walked away from every form of authority on this Earth even the imperative of life.

My consciousness has ached in agony by an entity that has possessed me from my earliest years. The entities of Ra, the teachers of most of my consciousness abide by The Law of Free will in a nearly unwavering manner. They patiently waited to see if this entity would leave. It did not and attempted to shape my conciousness into hatred. It deprived me of vital energy for most of my life, leaving me emotionally numb. Unable to have its way, it bidded me to end my life by causing consistent mental agony with every catalyst that struck my life.

I embraced the agony, the torture and I screamed to the universe that all things serve me, even the damnation of my very soul. From the time I was ready to end my life from the endless emotional agony this condition has caused me, I eventually saw that the beauty of this agony was worth living for alone. Thus my teachers have seen no reason to remove this parasite from my person.

I currently call consistently to have this entity removed yet none have answered out of a compassion for the lessons it provides me.

I have learned this: There is nothing that has to be done for all thing serve the creator, all things are inherently well, life, death or eternal agony.

I will live on. That is what happened, I realized I will always live no matter what even if I were condemned to the fieriest of hells.

Most men would have ended their lives through what has been done to me. I've been told so many lies by this entity and its associates trying to find this truth but I now have it. I know what my life has been about.

I have suffered with a constant pain of simply being conscious. Look at my soul through a tuned eye and you will see me shrouded in a thick red shell. My soul is deprived of vital energy by this entity, deprived so severely that I look like a flame. I can live on scraps of energy and I continue to do so. I am ready for this lesson to end.

Now, please, for the love of my life, remove this entity from my person.

I say this only to illustrate why further restriction on me does not serve me. My mind is already in a cage, a cage so small it's simply painful for me to be alive.

Restriction is not what anyone needs to realize that all is well. But it certainly served toward that end. If anyone uses this as an example of why imprisonment and abuse of the mind in any case is acceptable towards growth, know that most people would falter under the program this entity designed. I hope you enjoy FEELING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING DURING ROMANCE OR OTHERWISE with this condition. I operate literally in the blind.

I don't get it. What does this have to do with your major catalyst, as you called it yourself, with working 40 hour week?

[Fastidious Emanations]

My friend, who is this entity of whom you speak? It is something else besides you?

[reeay]

Archetype 23:
The Great Distortion of the Mind: I won't do it bc I was asked to do it and being asked to do it is asking for obedience and conformity to authoritah, and so I refuse to submit to authoritah, so my answer is still -no.

[Horuseus]

[Adonai One]

Let's agree to disagree on the idea of this being a delusion. Ask my wife is you want a grounded anecdote on how real this is.

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Adonai, your last post makes me think of this Ra quote:

32.14 Questioner: I just meant was it possible, say, for a green-ray… when we’re talking about green-ray activation and energy transfers, is it possible for a green-ray person who is primarily green-ray activation to vary on both sides of green ray a large or a small amount in energy activation, or does he stay primarily green-ray?

Ra: I am Ra. We grasp the newness of material requested by you. It was unclear, for we thought we had covered this material. The portion covered is this: the green-ray activation is always vulnerable to the yellow or orange ray of possession, this being largely yellow ray but often coming into orange ray. Fear of possession, desire for possession, fear of being possessed, desire to be possessed: these are the distortions which will cause the deactivation of green-ray energy transfer.

The new material is this: once the green ray has been achieved, the ability of the entity to enter blue ray is immediate and is only awaiting the efforts of the individual. The indigo ray is opened only through considerable discipline and practice largely having to do with acceptance of self, not only as the polarized and balanced self but as the Creator, as an entity of infinite worth. This will begin to activate the indigo ray.

sounds like that fear of being possessed is the "most major catalyst" that you're talking about here.

If you read my post, you would understand I have no fear whatsoever.

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I don't get it. What does this have to do with your major catalyst, as you called it yourself, with working 40 hour week?

Suffering beckons suffering. A 40 hour work week makes me suffer along with the suffering listed, believe in it or not.

[Spaced]

Adonai, your last post makes me think of this Ra quote:

32.14 Questioner: I just meant was it possible, say, for a green-ray… when we’re talking about green-ray activation and energy transfers, is it possible for a green-ray person who is primarily green-ray activation to vary on both sides of green ray a large or a small amount in energy activation, or does he stay primarily green-ray?

Ra: I am Ra. We grasp the newness of material requested by you. It was unclear, for we thought we had covered this material. The portion covered is this: the green-ray activation is always vulnerable to the yellow or orange ray of possession, this being largely yellow ray but often coming into orange ray. Fear of possession, desire for possession, fear of being possessed, desire to be possessed: these are the distortions which will cause the deactivation of green-ray energy transfer.

The new material is this: once the green ray has been achieved, the ability of the entity to enter blue ray is immediate and is only awaiting the efforts of the individual. The indigo ray is opened only through considerable discipline and practice largely having to do with acceptance of self, not only as the polarized and balanced self but as the Creator, as an entity of infinite worth. This will begin to activate the indigo ray.

sounds like that fear of being possessed is the "most major catalyst" that you're talking about here.

If you read my post, you would understand I have no fear whatsoever.

Having read your post before it was deleted I disagree, that's not the impression I got at all.

[Adonai One]

This forum has had a consistent pattern of telling me how I am and how I should be. There is no sharing here. There is no relationship of any kind. It's a constant dictatorial pissing match of everybody trying to be the teacher for somebody who is held as being unable to teach themselves.

This is not a unconditional bond. It is a bond of one shaping the other.

I will always be open to discussion but I find myself unable to fully engage in this protocol of discussion. Don't expect me to concede to premises placed upon me while I attempt to justify otherwise.

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My intelligence is grand. I can gauge my situation well. I know what I have in front of me and it is well to think otherwise.

[Alex Zachary]

You are the smartest cookie, Adonai, lord of darkness and chocolate chips.

[Spaced]

I'm sorry that you feel that way, but this is sharing. Sharing is a two way street my friend, you can't just make statements and expect us to accept them without question. Also you can't prevent us from developing our own opinions and sharing them, the fact that you are completely and utterly unwilling to entertain the opinions of others and your unwillingness to value our intelligence as equal to your own or engage us one the same level is evidence that you aren't interested in a reciprocal relationship with the members of this forum. We are here to teach/learn and learn/teach, you seem to be interested only in the teach aspect.

This is a catalyst that you are running into over and over again on this forum, have you considered why? And don't slough it off on others, this is YOUR catalyst, why does it keep presenting itself? We're just mirrors, what you see is your own reflection.

I agree I might be off in my assessment, but I wasn't passing anything on as Truth, just sharing my own perspective on the subject and I'm sorry if that's not acceptable.