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    #151
    05-18-2014, 06:44 PM
    Corporations are just larger individuals. You can either wallow in it's current dysfunction telling yourself and thus telling all others it's sick or you can bridge gaps and spread the light that is inherit in every corporation and the situations they entail.

    If you have faith and will quitting your job or getting fired shouldn't be an issue either. If your attached to anything other then the day to day experiences at your job and the learn/teaching they allow then your doing it inefficiently and really bringing the "pain" onto yourself.
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    05-18-2014, 07:47 PM (This post was last modified: 05-18-2014, 07:49 PM by Adonai One.)
    My existence is possible regardless of any attachment in this current time/space. All is inherently one. I don't think people understand that I have no concept of separation nor a true dependence, only a concept of an embedded reliance of everything to everything, that is without a duty to something that is inherent: Unity.

    Unity has its duty only in its desire to be of service in its own way, not in being something it cannot be, and that is a concept of service outside of an inherent unity of all things.

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    #153
    05-18-2014, 08:08 PM
    (05-18-2014, 07:47 PM)Adonai One Wrote: My existence is possible regardless of any attachment in this current time/space. All is inherently one. I don't think people understand that I have no concept of separation nor a true dependence, only a concept of an embedded reliance of everything to everything, that is without a duty to something that is inherent: Unity.

    Unity has its duty only in its desire to be of service in its own way, not in being something it cannot be, and that is a concept of service outside of an inherent unity of all things.

    Yeh we get that, hence our reaction of "help" when you request it. You quite obviously do have a concept of separation or you wouldn't be here right now, like everyone.

    Why refer to your job as painful? Is your job not an allegory of your wife, to the world to everything. If you were the way you say there would be no need to express yourself like you do it's that simple.
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    #154
    05-18-2014, 08:15 PM (This post was last modified: 05-18-2014, 09:19 PM by Adonai One.)
    I will accept anything that happens. Does that answer your question?

    I accept the resulting desires of pain, pleasure and whatever comes my way. In this context, I am without seperation. I am everything that will occur. This is what eternity does in its default state. To reach this state one simply must consistently acknowledge it. This is enlightenment, this is the state of no seperation. We are all things, every tiny emotion and potential. Why not embrace it all?

    Embracing even what we cannot bear is true freedom.

    I would work a job of pain if I had to but I choose not to. Tell me why I should go against myself?

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    05-18-2014, 08:58 PM (This post was last modified: 05-18-2014, 09:01 PM by Sagittarius.)
    (05-18-2014, 08:15 PM)Adonai One Wrote: I will accept anything that happens. Does that answer your question?

    I accept the resulting desires of pain, pleasure and whatever comes my way. In this context, I am without seperation. I am everything that will occur. This is what eternity does in its default state. To reach this state one simply must consistently acknowledge it. This is enlightenment, this is the state of no seperation. We are all things, every tiny emotion and potential. Why not embrace it all?

    Embracing even what we could not bear is true freedom.

    I would work a job of pain if I had to but I choose not to. Tell me why I should go against myself?

    I never said anything about choosing not to leave a job due to some concept of duty. You can't leave the overall "job" so that is impossible anyway.

    There you go repeating yourself again. It's all been said your wasting you breath. We are all one blah blah blah how about living it rather then repeatedly creating stories to reason it to yourself. Give a lecture about idea bullets yet fire them from your gun repeatedly. Try aiming the gun at your head for once.

    (05-18-2014, 08:58 PM)Sagittarius Wrote:
    (05-18-2014, 08:15 PM)Adonai One Wrote: I will accept anything that happens. Does that answer your question?

    I accept the resulting desires of pain, pleasure and whatever comes my way. In this context, I am without seperation. I am everything that will occur. This is what eternity does in its default state. To reach this state one simply must consistently acknowledge it. This is enlightenment, this is the state of no seperation. We are all things, every tiny emotion and potential. Why not embrace it all?

    Embracing even what we could not bear is true freedom.

    I would work a job of pain if I had to but I choose not to. Tell me why I should go against myself?

    I never said anything about choosing not to leave a job due to some concept of duty. You can't leave the overall "job" so that is impossible anyway.

    There you go repeating yourself again. It's all been said your wasting you breath. We are all one blah blah blah how about living it rather then repeatedly creating stories to reason it to yourself. Give a lecture about idea bullets yet fire them from your gun repeatedly.
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    #156
    05-18-2014, 09:18 PM
    I am living it by the fact I embrace choice in my life.
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    #157
    05-19-2014, 12:47 AM
    (05-17-2014, 11:17 PM)Adonai One Wrote: We seek what we resonate with and leave what we cannot give to ourselves.

    I don't reject humanity entirely because I reject being in a job that requires much of my time.

    I got it!! I think I have uncovered the jewel here, for me personally, and I will share it with you. I shared the general conversation idea of this thread, the idea of having to work and of corporations being evil, with a good friend of mine and he had some amazing insights.

    What it all boils down to, I think, is those last two words in your post, "my time". I believe that if you were doing something that you really believe in, something that you can support from your heart, something you really love, then "my time" would no longer be an issue. Doing whatever it is that supports you would not take away from you. Something I realized is that I don't feel bad about my job because I work for a genuinely positively oriented company. Yes, they do exist! And what do these positively oriented groups of people in the business world do? They serve humanity.

    This is important because the points I was making to you before about seeking the self in the context of a group doing work, and being aware of what you are giving to and getting from society in that regard, only hold water if it is a loving and supporting environment. And what I didn't realize was the subtle distinction between these groups, this "society", and humanity as a whole, as a thing in itself. Thanks to my friend and his beautiful mind for this deeper distinction.

    So there are a spectrum of companies ranging from positive to negative... to being made up of negatively polarizing people to being made up of highly positively polarized people, and especially wanderers. This ties back into the question at my last post which was, (now more elegantly phrased) how does one merge with and serve the society that one is a part of, while keeping and striving for that greater goal of achieving one's unique service to humanity? It could be that you've already found the way in which you're doing that. But it could be that it's entirely possible for you to find work that allows you to connect with your community in a positive way, and also will give you the right amount of free time, if you are open to this possibility. Either way, I'm just satisfied to have answered the question for myself.
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    #158
    05-19-2014, 04:27 AM
    Question of the day: Do all things that interact with humanity serve humanity? Even what resists it and acts against its freewill?
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    #159
    05-19-2014, 05:09 AM
    If creation is creator experiencing itself then all experience is in service of both others and self. Drawing the line to connect this with serving humanity is kind of vague but entirely in line with the normal 'Are we not all one?' question popping up all the time.
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    #160
    05-19-2014, 06:39 PM
    I didn't feel oneness, but I saw Creator in people on tv that were screaming at each other today.

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    05-19-2014, 08:48 PM
    (05-19-2014, 04:27 AM)Adonai One Wrote: Question of the day: Do all things that interact with humanity serve humanity? Even what resists it and acts against its freewill?

    Not all beings consider all things a service though. All things that interact with humanity certainly catalyze humanity as a being. Beyond that I'm not sure.
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    #162
    05-20-2014, 06:04 AM
    (05-18-2014, 08:15 PM)Adonai One Wrote: I will accept anything that happens. Does that answer your question?

    I accept the resulting desires of pain, pleasure and whatever comes my way. In this context, I am without seperation. I am everything that will occur. This is what eternity does in its default state. To reach this state one simply must consistently acknowledge it. This is enlightenment, this is the state of no seperation. We are all things, every tiny emotion and potential. Why not embrace it all?

    Embracing even what we cannot bear is true freedom.

    I would work a job of pain if I had to but I choose not to. Tell me why I should go against myself?

    Actually, would you work a job of happiness if you had to? Would you work a job of happiness if you didn't have to?

    Also, speaking of eternity - a month or a year compared to an eternity is like measuring nothing against the ocean. In light of this, you could well afford working long enough to gain deep experience with a job. Somehwere between 1-4 years would be a good start.
    Saying that your time is consumed by job and therefore unwanted is, to me, saying you don't really perceive this eternity in your life.
    This would be allright as it's the most prevalent view of things.
    Sometimes we also have to learn to accept things we did not originally desire and be taught how these things can be what we did desire. The 'problem' is that the only way to understand this is to experience it.

    To embrace what you cannot bear is, as you say, a way of understanding true freedom.
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    #163
    05-20-2014, 10:57 AM
    I think in eternity we'll always be working, even in higher densities. Though sometimes we'll play.

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    05-20-2014, 01:14 PM (This post was last modified: 05-20-2014, 01:22 PM by Phoenix.)
    Can't make head nor tail of this thread. I can't see what the central problem is.

    It seems to me either a job can be an avenue of working in service to others, or an impingement depending on the individual situation. For instance. Job could include the term. Lawyer, banker, nurse, politician, dentist, lifeguard, member of the armed forces, supermarket worker, accountant, teacher.

    Also we probably need a clear definition of what is meant by yellow and orange ray life lessons.
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    05-20-2014, 02:30 PM (This post was last modified: 05-20-2014, 03:21 PM by Adonai One.)
    (05-20-2014, 06:04 AM)ChickenInSpace Wrote:
    (05-18-2014, 08:15 PM)Adonai One Wrote: I will accept anything that happens. Does that answer your question?

    I accept the resulting desires of pain, pleasure and whatever comes my way. In this context, I am without seperation. I am everything that will occur. This is what eternity does in its default state. To reach this state one simply must consistently acknowledge it. This is enlightenment, this is the state of no seperation. We are all things, every tiny emotion and potential. Why not embrace it all?

    Embracing even what we cannot bear is true freedom.

    I would work a job of pain if I had to but I choose not to. Tell me why I should go against myself?

    Actually, would you work a job of happiness if you had to? Would you work a job of happiness if you didn't have to?

    Also, speaking of eternity - a month or a year compared to an eternity is like measuring nothing against the ocean. In light of this, you could well afford working long enough to gain deep experience with a job. Somehwere between 1-4 years would be a good start.
    Saying that your time is consumed by job and therefore unwanted is, to me, saying you don't really perceive this eternity in your life.
    This would be allright as it's the most prevalent view of things.
    Sometimes we also have to learn to accept things we did not originally desire and be taught how these things can be what we did desire. The 'problem' is that the only way to understand this is to experience it.

    To embrace what you cannot bear is, as you say, a way of understanding true freedom.

    When I go into these incarnations, there is minimal planning. I make appointments with certain people and guides with a subconscious intent to meet them. The avenue is of my choosing. There is no expectation except only what I desire.

    I come here not to learn a lesson in ethics, I come here to have a life for the sake of it as most in my group do. Polarization is only necessary if you desire to serve beyond your current state. I have no such desire. In fact, I am without polarity. I seek to be without polarity.

    A typical job will give me a redundant life experience that has a million reruns in my social memory complex. Such memories are a dime a dozen. I seek dynamism in my life and creation. I will provide a dynamic life to my group and to the creator, so the octaves after me are more dynamic. This is my vision of the positive polarity: I seek to be the creator himself by allowing the cosmos to be freer, not constricted and redundant in life experiences.

    Every life given to creation shapes the consciousness of future Suns. Let that be known. I do not share this often but I will share it now: My life mission is simply to be unique and of service. That is my offering to the universe so future aspects of the one being we are can be more fulfilled by unique and dynamic experiences, not 40 hour work weeks.

    To be clearer on polarity: It is a momentum of service done through acceptance. I use this for my work but, as a tool, it is not an end I serve. I recognize the need to build the tool of polarity but this work is for those who feel their tool is inadequate.

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    05-20-2014, 02:36 PM
    (05-20-2014, 02:30 PM)Adonai One Wrote: Polarization is only necessary if you desire to serve beyond your current state. I have no such desire. In fact, I am without polarity. I seek to be without polarity.

    I too am like that, not desiring to outwardly serve. But I do believe I develop polarity in some fashion through my internal seeking and acceptance of what is.

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    05-20-2014, 10:05 PM
    (05-20-2014, 02:30 PM)Adonai One Wrote: A typical job will give me a redundant life experience that has a million reruns in my social memory complex. Such memories are a dime a dozen. I seek dynamism in my life and creation. I will provide a dynamic life to my group and to the creator, so the octaves after me are more dynamic. This is my vision of the positive polarity: I seek to be the creator himself by allowing the cosmos to be freer, not constricted and redundant in life experiences.

    Every life given to creation shapes the consciousness of future Suns. Let that be known. I do not share this often but I will share it now: My life mission is simply to be unique and of service. That is my offering to the universe so future aspects of the one being we are can be more fulfilled by unique and dynamic experiences, not 40 hour work weeks.

    To be clearer on polarity: It is a momentum of service done through acceptance. I use this for my work but, as a tool, it is not an end I serve. I recognize the need to build the tool of polarity but this work is for those who feel their tool is inadequate.

    Interesting read but I find myself disagreeing with the statements I have bolded. It is my understanding that every new life provides a different setting in which an individual develops and learns, and so were this individual to repeat a similar job description to the one he performed in a previous life, the experience would be quite unique as per the era and the culture would differ. One could be a stonemason 15 times and each life would be different from the other, rich in catalyst and indefinitely valuable.

    Do you believe it is the first time you find yourself unemployed? Do you believe it is the first time you wish to write a book and ponder philosophy? I do not know the content of your previous lives but I doubt this would be the first time, or the last for that matter! And yet this experience, which according to your previous post would be "redundant", is highly valued by the soul and your soul memory complex, I am sure Wink

    My point is the following: by being here, no matter the job we perform, we are already unique and of service. It is inherent to our incarnation. I am willing to bet that working 40 hours a week is just as valuable as anything else in the eyes of the Creator. And if you were to look back on your life as free man or as a worker after your passing, you would cherish both equally. Now, if you have preferences and those preferences include managing your own time by yourself, then that is perfectly valid and I am the first to encourage following your heart's desire, but don't be so quick to dismiss other more traditional avenues in the name of some mystical (I know you love to use this word!) ideal of dynamism and "uniqueness". Wink



    In regards to polarity, I agree; I too do not seek a polarity. I seek only to do what feels right and to express what is in my heart; it just so happens to be creating and helping others. This is what is of most resonance with my inner being. Whether people would call that STS, STO or STW (Service-to-whatever, haha) does not affect me. I will be who I will be Smile
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    05-20-2014, 10:07 PM (This post was last modified: 05-20-2014, 10:08 PM by Adonai One.)
    I believe it can be universally agreed that there is a measurable difference in the quality of change between similar and dissimilar occupations of time. With this premise, uniqueness can be pursued as a virtue in accordance to my values.

    With this stated as my value system, I stand by my statement of that I seek uniqueness whether in regards to my previous lives or within the fact that experience here is very assimilar.

    If it can be seen the various logos derive from existing experience, unique experience enables a more diverse creation. Is this not a virtue?

    Also, yes, I even talk to my wife this way.
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    05-20-2014, 10:24 PM
    (05-20-2014, 10:07 PM)Adonai One Wrote: I believe it can be universally agreed that there is a measurable difference in the quality of change between similar and dissimilar occupations of time. With this premise, uniqueness can be pursued as a virtue in accordance to my values.

    With this stated as my value system, I stand by my statement of that I seek uniqueness whether in regards to my previous lives or within the fact that experience here is very assimilar.

    If it can be seen the various logos derive from existing experience, unique experience enables a more diverse creation. Is this not a virtue?

    Also, yes, I even talk to my wife this way.

    The way I see it, there may be a preference for a more dynamic universe. That being said, in my case, that is not something I pursue actively or willfully. I value every new perspective, even if it involves a repeated occupation, for I believe every new life has something to offer. Have you considered that perhaps a repeated occupation or experience could reveal a new aspect of the creator which hasn't been previously seen?

    From my perspective at this time, I do not see the need to rush or to be driven to create more dynamism; I believe I am already inherently doing that from my being here.

    Holding dynamism and uniqueness as a "virtues" and actively seeking this doesn't seem so different than holding service to others and the positive polarity as virtues themselves and acting in accordance... In fact, both practices seem quite reciprocal to me and I find it curious that you would ascribe to the former while claiming to be detached from polarity, if you see what I mean... Wink
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    05-20-2014, 10:27 PM
    I seek without polarity but I do seek desires that may coincide with polarity. However, I do not accept striving for polarity completely as my desire for even I will act against dynamism in my desires at times.
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    05-21-2014, 04:37 AM
    (05-20-2014, 02:30 PM)Adonai One Wrote:
    (05-20-2014, 06:04 AM)ChickenInSpace Wrote:
    (05-18-2014, 08:15 PM)Adonai One Wrote: I will accept anything that happens. Does that answer your question?

    I accept the resulting desires of pain, pleasure and whatever comes my way. In this context, I am without seperation. I am everything that will occur. This is what eternity does in its default state. To reach this state one simply must consistently acknowledge it. This is enlightenment, this is the state of no seperation. We are all things, every tiny emotion and potential. Why not embrace it all?

    Embracing even what we cannot bear is true freedom.

    I would work a job of pain if I had to but I choose not to. Tell me why I should go against myself?

    Actually, would you work a job of happiness if you had to? Would you work a job of happiness if you didn't have to?

    Also, speaking of eternity - a month or a year compared to an eternity is like measuring nothing against the ocean. In light of this, you could well afford working long enough to gain deep experience with a job. Somehwere between 1-4 years would be a good start.
    Saying that your time is consumed by job and therefore unwanted is, to me, saying you don't really perceive this eternity in your life.
    This would be allright as it's the most prevalent view of things.
    Sometimes we also have to learn to accept things we did not originally desire and be taught how these things can be what we did desire. The 'problem' is that the only way to understand this is to experience it.

    To embrace what you cannot bear is, as you say, a way of understanding true freedom.

    When I go into these incarnations, there is minimal planning. I make appointments with certain people and guides with a subconscious intent to meet them. The avenue is of my choosing. There is no expectation except only what I desire.

    I come here not to learn a lesson in ethics, I come here to have a life for the sake of it as most in my group do. Polarization is only necessary if you desire to serve beyond your current state. I have no such desire. In fact, I am without polarity. I seek to be without polarity.

    A typical job will give me a redundant life experience that has a million reruns in my social memory complex. Such memories are a dime a dozen. I seek dynamism in my life and creation. I will provide a dynamic life to my group and to the creator, so the octaves after me are more dynamic. This is my vision of the positive polarity: I seek to be the creator himself by allowing the cosmos to be freer, not constricted and redundant in life experiences.

    Every life given to creation shapes the consciousness of future Suns. Let that be known. I do not share this often but I will share it now: My life mission is simply to be unique and of service. That is my offering to the universe so future aspects of the one being we are can be more fulfilled by unique and dynamic experiences, not 40 hour work weeks.

    To be clearer on polarity: It is a momentum of service done through acceptance. I use this for my work but, as a tool, it is not an end I serve. I recognize the need to build the tool of polarity but this work is for those who feel their tool is inadequate.

    I didn't ask about polarity, I didn't particularly bring up polarity. I didn't ask about 'typical' job, I didn't particularly bring up 'typical' job.

    Let's try again.

    Would you work a job of happiness if you had to? Would you work a job of happiness if you didn't have to?

    Also, if you seek to be without polarity then maybe you shouldn't be of service either to yourself or others?

    I believe incarnations per default seek uniqueness in new incarnations. I know I do.
    I agree with vervex that a 60 or 40 or 20 hour week are all equally important to Creation.
    I would even go so far to say that 'offering' a living where all you know is work is equal to 'offering' a living where nothing you know is work. In fact, the first one could be someone without formal job, effectively unemployed, and the latter could be someone who works, according to common conceptions, around the clock. I believe this whole piece is about outlook and how you chose to view lifestyles.

    If you see your life too important to have a 'job', that's a way to view your life and living as well as if you see a 'job' as another unique experience, adding to your knowledge base.
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    05-21-2014, 07:31 AM (This post was last modified: 05-21-2014, 07:51 AM by Phoenix.)
    I might define orange and yellow ray polarisation in the light of my own experience. It just seems strange to leave it like it is. As 'orange and yellow ray polarisation' without any explanation of what that means.

    Orange ray, possession etc. of others. I experienced possessive feelings about a few of the girls I have met. Also this strange idolisation that comes from lust but not from actually knowing a person, and when they are actually too different in some cases. Also, having to become aware that some people do see the world in very animalistic terms where I do not. Also, one of these jobs it became clear what I sexually did not want.

    Yellow ray. Power etc. The last catalyst I got of this sort was a job recently where I was set on by a bit of a tyrant. But I addressed the area through becoming completely unable to be 'picked apart.' At which point they made up lies about me and fired me. Also, control battles, which made me become aware of the negative polarity in others. (When I was younger.) I feel that now that I have a different lifestyle than others, because I outgrew the alcoholic slumber that a lot of people live in, I have more power to be myself.

    I'm obviously not doing that deep work in this area. At the moment the whole idea with girls may be worked on at least a little in relation to a volunteer job I'm at.

    Good luck with your book Adonai. I mean that! Smile.
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    05-21-2014, 08:43 PM (This post was last modified: 05-21-2014, 08:52 PM by Adonai One.)
    (05-21-2014, 04:37 AM)ChickenInSpace Wrote:
    (05-20-2014, 02:30 PM)Adonai One Wrote:
    (05-20-2014, 06:04 AM)ChickenInSpace Wrote:
    (05-18-2014, 08:15 PM)Adonai One Wrote: I will accept anything that happens. Does that answer your question?

    I accept the resulting desires of pain, pleasure and whatever comes my way. In this context, I am without seperation. I am everything that will occur. This is what eternity does in its default state. To reach this state one simply must consistently acknowledge it. This is enlightenment, this is the state of no seperation. We are all things, every tiny emotion and potential. Why not embrace it all?

    Embracing even what we cannot bear is true freedom.

    I would work a job of pain if I had to but I choose not to. Tell me why I should go against myself?

    Actually, would you work a job of happiness if you had to? Would you work a job of happiness if you didn't have to?

    Also, speaking of eternity - a month or a year compared to an eternity is like measuring nothing against the ocean. In light of this, you could well afford working long enough to gain deep experience with a job. Somehwere between 1-4 years would be a good start.
    Saying that your time is consumed by job and therefore unwanted is, to me, saying you don't really perceive this eternity in your life.
    This would be allright as it's the most prevalent view of things.
    Sometimes we also have to learn to accept things we did not originally desire and be taught how these things can be what we did desire. The 'problem' is that the only way to understand this is to experience it.

    To embrace what you cannot bear is, as you say, a way of understanding true freedom.

    When I go into these incarnations, there is minimal planning. I make appointments with certain people and guides with a subconscious intent to meet them. The avenue is of my choosing. There is no expectation except only what I desire.

    I come here not to learn a lesson in ethics, I come here to have a life for the sake of it as most in my group do. Polarization is only necessary if you desire to serve beyond your current state. I have no such desire. In fact, I am without polarity. I seek to be without polarity.

    A typical job will give me a redundant life experience that has a million reruns in my social memory complex. Such memories are a dime a dozen. I seek dynamism in my life and creation. I will provide a dynamic life to my group and to the creator, so the octaves after me are more dynamic. This is my vision of the positive polarity: I seek to be the creator himself by allowing the cosmos to be freer, not constricted and redundant in life experiences.

    Every life given to creation shapes the consciousness of future Suns. Let that be known. I do not share this often but I will share it now: My life mission is simply to be unique and of service. That is my offering to the universe so future aspects of the one being we are can be more fulfilled by unique and dynamic experiences, not 40 hour work weeks.

    To be clearer on polarity: It is a momentum of service done through acceptance. I use this for my work but, as a tool, it is not an end I serve. I recognize the need to build the tool of polarity but this work is for those who feel their tool is inadequate.

    I didn't ask about polarity, I didn't particularly bring up polarity. I didn't ask about 'typical' job, I didn't particularly bring up 'typical' job.

    Let's try again.

    Would you work a job of happiness if you had to? Would you work a job of happiness if you didn't have to?

    Also, if you seek to be without polarity then maybe you shouldn't be of service either to yourself or others?

    I believe incarnations per default seek uniqueness in new incarnations. I know I do.
    I agree with vervex that a 60 or 40 or 20 hour week are all equally important to Creation.
    I would even go so far to say that 'offering' a living where all you know is work is equal to 'offering' a living where nothing you know is work. In fact, the first one could be someone without formal job, effectively unemployed, and the latter could be someone who works, according to common conceptions, around the clock. I believe this whole piece is about outlook and how you chose to view lifestyles.

    If you see your life too important to have a 'job', that's a way to view your life and living as well as if you see a 'job' as another unique experience, adding to your knowledge base.
    I don't feel I have to do anything. Reality can limit the phenomenon I perceive; however, I will navigate it because I inherently choose to. To say reality would give me a prescribed certainty of working a happy job is a dictation I can only say yes to.

    All options are my happiness. I will still have my choice, given it.

    All things are inherently accepted. The rest is a question of navigation of experience according to what I desire.

    I will preferably not work a job in either case as I prefer other experiences. If I have to, I have to?

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    05-22-2014, 07:56 PM
    (05-21-2014, 08:43 PM)Adonai One Wrote: I will preferably not work a job in either case as I prefer other experiences. If I have to, I have to?

    well, the ideal case is that one's service (one's passion and one's sincerest desire) co-incide with an income.

    it doesn't happen for everyone, but there are enough examples of it that it's not rare.

    comic book writers and illustrators work to stringent deadlines (having listened to a few comic book podcasts), and yet the passion and the vigor that comes through in their speech is truly inspiring.

    A creative like JK Rowling or George RR Martin can basically set their terms as to their vision.

    it's about what one has to offer to the wider culture, and if there is a deep calling for it.
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    05-22-2014, 07:59 PM
    I tried working for myself in a business, but it failed after 5 or so years. Well it was still making a little money, but I turned the business over to others. I'm fine working an 8-5. I seem to do better on someone else's schedule. I don't have the discipline to really work for myself. I could never be a comic book illustrator. I don't have the talent either.

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    05-22-2014, 08:13 PM (This post was last modified: 05-22-2014, 08:18 PM by Adonai One.)
    I have what one would consider "strict" plans towards my passion that will, in perhaps a detached conviction, make an income through my passion. I am actually rather confident I will have money flowing into my bank account -- which is something that has occurred in recent times before I was in immigration limbo. I've been paying some of our house bills through investment income. I do not dare mention this because I enjoy arguing from the position of somebody that has no net value or net income. I enjoy it as I do not believe this concept of working necessarily makes a meaningful existence nor a virtuous one for all people. I do not believe it has any definable merit on me as a human being nor does it on anybody besides their inherent value that is infinitely valuable.

    I believe the inevitably for mankind is the erasure of the derogatory word "work" into what I could only consider to be lives of great leisure, money only being a tool that is perused by those who value it. Its value is of no concern to me except as a means to an endless series of ends. I do not worship money as that is not my desire, I do not worship my income as I do things for the sake of doing them and not towards a conclusion for I do not believe in conclusions, I do not believe in victories, I do not believe in attainments.

    My mindset is turning all of my life's work into play, as to me, work connotes an end that must be attained. There is nothing I must attain but only what will be inherently given as I believe all needs are inherently met in a catalytic process that is in unity and brings all into unity.

    Catalyst is something that needs not be accepted by great will but only observed and followed in accordance to desires.

    As said, I believe there is nothing to obtain as all inherently obtains.
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    05-25-2014, 12:10 PM
    slavery makes us angry, angry people make change if that primal energy can flow freely

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    05-28-2014, 01:17 AM
    (05-27-2014, 05:54 PM)Regulus Wrote: Or it could mean:

    Monstrous Grocery Lady is probably Ankh invading your dreams, being mean in general, and giving you a hard time there, too. She has brought you, mum, a bottle of shameful wine

    Even in your world you don’t get to slack with her around, adding insult to injury, scooting you to the special corner as special as those short bus kids for public embarrassment and further humiliation

    And it doesn’t stop there making life a tad bit harder by denying coupons. No soup for you! There shall be no peace with her so long as you jobless


    But as usual it has no bearing and zero effect, so interpretation is that way, don’t budge, and we back to square one again no matter the realm

    What I react at is not that A1 is jobless, cause that can happen to anyone, but the attitude of being entitled to what is freely given to him, directly and indirectly. And read this carefully now, he *is* FREELY given all these things, in fact, his whole current existence is possible due to these freely given to him services. But what I react at is that instead of acknowledging this, i.e. that his current existence is possible due to hard work of others, he (and he is not the only one) thinks that he is entitled to this, and instead of saying "thank you so much, I see your hard work and I acknowledge it", he calls these people *slaves*! Confused What the...?? For instance, take this grocery lady, and all other to whom it applies.

    And also, as I have mentioned before, I have nothing against this "I don't like this money system" philosophy. On contrary, I think it's awesome, and I even know a couple who are now trying to build a self-sustainable home here, in the woods of Sweden. I even think that this might be the future way of our 4D+ society. That these people are here to do that 4D+ work that Ra mentioned. But saying that "I don't like this money system", and still living *within* this system, being supported by this system, and yet having no desire to contribute, and going as far as to calling these people, thanks to whom your existence is possible, "slaves" - that's just disrespectful, and that is what I am reacting at.
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    05-28-2014, 02:09 AM (This post was last modified: 05-28-2014, 02:26 AM by Adonai One.)
    It's really hard to balance out ideological desires that are not in line with society's while still interacting with society. I rather violate some social norms, interact with people than be an ideological purist.

    Additionally, their jobs would be slavery for me. As for them, I hope they enjoy their work habits.

    What works for most people may not work for me under The Law of Free will.

    If you believe it is wrong for me to live in society with my vision, then please put me in handcuffs and kick me out. If you're going to claim my will is wrong and will lead to destruction of people then please save humanity from my dastardly deed.

    If what I am doing is wrong and needs to be corrected then why is it not codified in law? If society and it laws are the foundations of society and my compliance, gratitude and work are necessary, then why is it not in the law? Not that I believe in law in this way.
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    05-28-2014, 02:25 AM
    Stop stretching things to cosmic, dramatic, exaggerated proportions.

    You are not doing anything "wrong" you are doing something selfish and justifying it with "well unity is inherent so I can do whatever I want and I am right even though I think everything is right well except stuff I don't agree with" it's remarkable that through all your identity changes your attitude has remained the same.

    Visions of the self anointed, a self congratulating way of looking at the world are always just crank bullshit dude, it's not something to aspire to. There are thousands of people doing what you are relating, I know many personally, they have vision and stuff, they don't stay that way for long lol

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