Ra on Ego

[Unbound]

Questioner: Can you tell me how you balance the ego?

Ra: I am Ra. We cannot work with this concept as it is misapplied and understanding cannot come from it.

Questioner: Am I correct in assuming that one of the blockages [of] a mind/body/spirit complex might be due to an unbalance of, shall we say, ego, and this could be balanced using, say, a worthiness/unworthiness balance?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect.

These first two quotes seem to make it apparent that the way most people use the word and concept "ego" is not a fruitful mode of consideration in the eyes of Ra. However, there are two other mentions of the word ego.

The fifth density sees the difficulties posed by the light and in this way directs entities of this vibration to the seeking of targets of opportunity such as this one. If fourth-density temptations, shall we say, towards distortion of ego, etc., are not successful the fifth-density entity then thinks in terms of the removal of light.

Here it mentions a distortion towards ego, so there is clearly a way that Ra does view ego. (This quote actually appears in session 62.20, whereas the other quotes here are 15.10-12)

The third blockage resembles most closely that which you have called ego. It is the yellow-ray or solar plexus center. Blockages in this center will often manifest as distortions towards power manipulation and other social behaviors concerning those close and those associated with the mind/body/spirit complex. Those with blockages in these first three energy centers, or nexi, will have continuing difficulties in ability to further their seeking of the Law of One.

Going back to the previous sessions again it explains what Ra considers to be ego. In this case it is a description of a blockage which "resembles" (meaning it isn't a completely accurate reference) the common concept of ego. By this I take it to mean "egotistical attitudes".

The reason I bring this up is that for some time I have noticed on the forum cases where members have accused others of "ego projection", or being "caught" in the ego, and various other ways of expressing someone being situated in an apparently egotistical standpoint. If we are to take this in the meaning of Ra then really these people are being accused of manipulation and control of other-selves. This is rather ironic to me as it seems to be the other way around.

That being said, in the Ra sense, ego does not refer to or imply the nature of one's self image, although ego may arise out of their self image. In most cases of the application of this concept someone with ego is generally labeled as someone with a sense of self-importance or who feels unique or special in some way. It is usually placed on to others who appear to be fantastical or outside the norm in their thinking, or who in some way see themselves as a potent force, whether this is expressed explicitly or not, and whether or not this is used in any attempt at superiority. While the Ra sense of ego as a yellow-ray distortion could include this, it is in no way expressed or implied that this sense of self is rooted in the ego blockage or that this sense of self must needs lead to this kind of blockage.

All that being said, just because someone views themselves in a more or less 'grandiose' light, that doesn't mean they are "stuck" in their egos. If the 'grandiose' view is used as a source of power and authority over other selves in an attempt to manipulate, then yes it could be said to be tied to ego. There is no "right" view of the self. There is awareness of the self as Creator and there is awareness of greater light, but there is no personality in and of itself which signifies a correct view of oneself. Yes, there are "less distorted" views of oneself, however at this point I have yet to ascertain any truthful way for anyone to know how distorted they are. At my most basic level of experience, it appears to me that no one really knows how "close" they are to the Creator in terms of distortion and it is the speculation as such that often leads to views of oneself holding a position in relativity to others on the factor of "truth".

All that being said and done, if you disagree with someone, look in to yourself and see where it is you disagree within yourself, with your own actions or potential ideas. When we attempt to show someone a path or reveal falsity or express truth then we are really externalizing (blue-ray) our own experiences as we have experienced them for ourselves and attempting to parallel them to the experiences of another. When we disapprove or disagree with the actions or thoughts of another, it is because we ourselves would not, at the current point, choose those actions or thoughts ourselves.

Does that mean we cannot conceive of making a choice in those directions? No, usually, by most peoples' claims, it is because certain choices have been made in the past that they now express an agreement or disagreement with a particular choice, whether thought or behaviour.

Thus, the experience one has gained is attempted to be shared with the other as an example of the results, consequences or causal patterns which have been ascertained from one's own experiences with those choices.

However, while this is often a kind offering and done in love, in many cases the experience of the self is offered to the other self without the awareness that the other self is different, and so even in the face of the same choices or same behaviour, the individual may not in any way be heading in the same direction as the self. Thus, to me, when experience is shared there should be no expectation for the other individual to perceive it in the same way that the self is perceiving it.

Now, inevitably, as each continues on their journey and ascertains more "truth" there comes to be a certain trust and comfort in one's own structure of knowledge which, in many cases, has been painstakingly put together. From that, it is almost inevitable that as individuals with different knowledge structures come together there will be disagreements and different individuals will feel they are more in line with "the truth" than those they disagree with.

I am not here to pinpoint or identify "the truth", as I would not profess to be the possessor of it. However, I am making the point that two people who equally believe they are closer to "the truth" are going in circles of redundancy by attempting to explain or ascribe the position of the other to "ego projection". When your quest is to seek falsity, you can never really find truth because instead you will look everywhere to see falsity. It is said that perhaps the truth is found by finding out what it is "not", but if the truth we are talking about is absolute then really it would seem reasonable that there is nothing that it is "not" and so attempting to find a straw of hay in a stack of hay becomes the most counter-productive exercise.

I am all for critical thinking and analysis, I do it almost obsessively in my own mind, maybe a dominant virgo trait. However, there are connotations and attitudes which I believe are tied to critical thinking that I do not believe are actually required to be so. Thinking critically isn't about mutilating everything with Occam's Razor, it's about honest assessment. If someone is truly thinking critically, in my opinion, then there will be no need for the constant red herrings and straw men, nor for fruitless comments of refutation which do not in any way work towards a greater awareness of truth or possible concepts of wisdom.

Naturally, there are going to be disagreements, that is a fact of life but before you shoot someone else down, make sure it isn't just a passing on of your own being shot down. Reason well, observe and make sound arguments but please, don't cycle the abuse.

These, obviously, are my own thoughts and philosophies and I do not expect agreement, nor disagreement really, and I am sure I have left some hypocrisies around in my post here but that is, alas, still a challenge I have with the use of language. I speak from my heart with the most genuine wisdom I can and sometimes that causes me to be more emotionally invested than I perhaps should be.

TL;DR - You are free to express yourself however you want and so is everyone else, however, consciously being aware of that fact one may attempt to approach others in a way that is not stifling or is otherwise more breathable, while still being critical and aware in your thinking. It is not critical or clear perception to put others down, to ridicule them or to stand in aloof sarcasm. These expressions are perfectly valid, by all means, but they are not, in my opinion, at all relevant to critical thinking.

Ego is about power manipulation and control in social groups. Before you analyze others, ask yourself, "What do I see as 'the truth'? What does this person see as 'the truth'? Am I interested in seeing others who see the same 'truth' that I do or new possible views of 'the truth'?" This can help to set the base tone of the conversation on a level of respect where it can be seen that each is working individually from their own views and ideas on what 'the truth' is. This, I believe, aids in integrating wisdom and compassion together because wisdom is very capable of perceiving things sharply and correctly, however, it is compassion that is the vehicle for love, and wisdom without compassion is a cold blade which cuts, uncaring.

Much love to you all, my friends.

[Plenum]

yeah, some good thoughts there Tanner.

specifically on what Ra said in relation to the ego, and how it may be equated to a yellow ray blockage:

The third blockage resembles most closely that which you have called ego. It is the yellow-ray or solar plexus center.

Blockages in this center will often manifest as distortions towards power manipulation and other social behaviors concerning those close and those associated with the mind/body/spirit complex.

Those with blockages in these first three energy centers, or nexi, will have continuing difficulties in ability to further their seeking of the Law of One.

to me, I would understand that as a tendency to see the self as a separated being, in the context of society/group structure.

someone who has 'a big ego', in the sense of how Ra is referencing it, would see themselves above the group, and someone who exploits and manipulates the group for their own ends and purposes. They are not 'co-operating' with other selves to an agreed upon goal; but rather using whatever means they have available - whether that be trickery, extortion, threats, etc - to get what they want.

the opposite of a 'big ego', or someone who has cleared yellow ray would show themselves as this:

102.11 Ra: I am Ra.

Each entity must, in order to completely unblock yellow ray, love all which are in relationship to it, with hope only of the other-selves’ joy, peace, and comfort.

you can contrast this attitude with the more blocked attitudes that Ra used in describing the ego state.

[Unbound]

I would add a notation to that last quote that it also includes the self in relation to the self.

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I find I sometimes "bully" myself in order to get myself in to a state I believe I should be in.

[Plenum]

I would add a notation to that last quote that it also includes the self in relation to the self.

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I find I sometimes "bully" myself in order to get myself in to a state I believe I should be in.

yeah, I tend to see the orange, yellow, and green chakras as expanding nets of relationship.

for eg, orange is one's relationship to oneself, yellow is one's relationship to other-selves (people that you directly know), and green is the generalisation of attitudes of relationships, to beings/people who you have never met.

Ra describes green ray as that of universal love, which I read as universal acceptance.

for a negative entity, orange is control of self, yellow is control of other-selves, and green is totally denied - that the self is not connected to other selves or the cosmos in a deep way; that separation is entirely possible as a way of beingness.

[Unbound]

Ra says that negative entities deal with the core distortions of the red through yellow rays in order to achieve the necessary capacity for harvest. It seems to me that negative entities in many cases see themselves as separate not insofar as they see things in terms of "self" and "other" but because they see it that they themselves are the entirety of unity and so they must be "separate" from all else otherwise they could not claim themselves as sole Creator.

[AnthroHeart]

It's hard to keep a steady green ray going. My mind wanders too much.

[manniz]

In simpler language, yes ego can be seen as an inflated sense of self, and therefore using that sense of superiority to feel okay to dominate others, criticize others, without much self-introspection. One can also have an inflated sense of self, without the desire to dominate others. Like a kind, but pampered, coddled child. Wilcox is a good example.

- About criticism, an essential aspect of existence is experience too. No point in trying to be perfect all of the time, or even most of the time. Therefore, perfect criticism is not that important. Relaxation, pleasant snarky remarks, puncturing of pampered bubbles, and so on are also an interesting part of criticism.

Though, good to maintain kindness and empathy in criticism, when possible.

Tanner, you are a kind soul for sure, and I can see why some forms of criticism may not be your favorite. Some like me can be a bit shameless once in a while, and I do think that it is of service to prick pampered bubbles every once in a while. Especially on forums. In real life, face to face interaction, I am far less critical, because verbal communication severely distorts criticism. In face to face interactions, often kindness helps more, especially with all the non-verbal clues coming into play (eyes, smile, body language and so on).

[Unbound]

I actually fully agree that humour and sarcasm can be a wonderful vehicle for assisting to express criticism, but I guess my challenge is defining at what exact point humour turns to a lack of compassion. Sometimes I see very effective humour used in criticism, whereas other times I see the humour used almost as a blind to "justify" the critical position. I understand many different forms of criticism, but there is a point where criticism ceases to actually be criticism and becomes judgement and I do not quite understand where that boundary lies yet.

[manniz]

I actually fully agree that humour and sarcasm can be a wonderful vehicle for assisting to express criticism, but I guess my challenge is defining at what exact point humour turns to a lack of compassion. Sometimes I see very effective humour used in criticism, whereas other times I see the humour used almost as a blind to "justify" the critical position. I understand many different forms of criticism, but there is a point where criticism ceases to actually be criticism and becomes judgement and I do not quite understand where that boundary lies yet.

Yeah criticism and judgment are hard to separate, and in the third density confusion, judgment can help someone move forward too, if it hits the right buttons. Gentle criticism is a pretty nice approach on average, though in many cases, a little extra zing definitely helps. In my dialogue with the self, I often use what may be considered harsh criticism or judgment, but hey it works out perfectly. Just very hard to judge with other selves. Infact the ideal approach seems to be no criticism, but providing examples instead, but then that ideal approach won't even be noticed in the third density.

I do know from my life experience, that coddling and pampering can actually be far more counter-productive for certain entities, then a bit of direct judgment.

1) I won't take names, but an example I have noticed on this forum, lets call it X. I found this forum last November, and started posting only last month. SO, I spent most of the time going back reading old threads. And, I noticed that this person X had very distinct patterns.

- When X was offered love, and non-critical acceptance to his ideas, he became more confident in his not so special abilities. So, instead of listening to others, his posts turned intp parroting lots of Ra material, and started perceiving himself as special. So, non-critical love soon turned into coddling and pampering. Basically, he sort of became a favorite child.

- When harsh words were said to poster X, he would take brakes and actually come back more humble, more willing to listen, less inclined to throw his expertise out there. So, you could see his loving side, and the potential in him. But, coddling started again, and this On/Off pattern was repeated again and again, and slowly the coddling led to a sense of victim-hood too, which infact led to more coddling. So, X is quite the favorite child of some posters here.

As an outsider, cause I was following old threads chronologically, X's posts stood out, because they had such obvious patterns. In X's case, i would say a bit of harsh criticism actually grounds him more, even if he may feel sad. Otherwise, he has quite the potential to see himself as an expert, and it is not pleasant to see a deep down positive entity running around thinking they know it all. If X is not criticized, his patterns of being a victim as well as an expert will exaggerate leading to a self-absorbed, confused personality.

2) I will name the second example, because after being confused initially, but reading many of his posts later, he came out as a very loving soul, who actually has ingrained humility, which increases with more love. that is our Gemini Wolf. This is an entity, with whom more love you offer, the more his confidence increases, and more love he returns back.

3) Third example would be another entity named Manniz. He is a bit shameless, and he has done enough sharp self-criticism in silence that he can handle more. So, he has improved from the youthful confusion to giving and receiving criticism happily. What he does not like are the love filled voices dictating the flow of information. Once he is balanced, he will like them too, but for now, he has no interest in that kind of balance, because love-filled voices trying to dictate their version of the non-critical world actually makes the world quite boring, and leads to the typical New Age community, where few leaders basically repeat the same stuff, while others buy their books. I also believe that such coddling love leads to victim-hood, and an indirect control based behavior, which enables STS factors to easily dominate societies. Btw, that is one of the reason, I even started posting on Bring4th, once I noticed how different Carla and her few friends were from the typical New Age community. As in, genuinely humble, and not seeking leadership or much money.

So, after all that rambling, I would say, it is simply too complex to draw boundaries between criticism and judgment. Trying to be critical with kindness in mind, and with humor is the best choice, but some cases do need a little smackdown back to reality. Coddling, and loving your favorite victim, without a decent amount of criticism leads to patterns that may not be selfish in the immediate run, but will lead to too much self-importance and confusion eventually. Especially, if the said entity has had a soft upbringing in its third density life.

And, Tanner like you posted in another thread, your avatar does present a good picture of you. I always suspected that many of the soft-spoken, and introverted type of people have lots of potential, but the vanity, confidence, loudness, verbal display and status oriented society does not appreciate them enough. Ra material confirmed for me that indeed some of those hidden souls had something unique in them. These good souls are sometime too non-judgmental though. However, maybe in higher densities with telepathy, and away from our society's standards, they bloom and their love based criticism is more effective. In third density, I definitely believe that instead of perfect criticism, often a little harsh criticism helps those, who have deep potential for love. It brings them back to the reality sooner.

[Fastidious Emanations]

If fourth-density temptations, shall we say, towards distortion of ego, etc., are not successful the fifth-density entity then thinks in terms of the removal of light.

This is of interest on my journey at this time, thanks so much!

[Unbound]

If fourth-density temptations, shall we say, towards distortion of ego, etc., are not successful the fifth-density entity then thinks in terms of the removal of light.

This is of interest on my journey at this time, thanks so much!

You're welcome! Aha

[manniz]

Quo vs. Ra is such a good example too. Quo are so politically correct, and all lovey-dovey. Ra lays down the smackdown in the school principal manner.

Inspite of Quo's best intentions, some of their material about Jesus's divinity, virgin birth etc. was so confusing to me. On the other hand, from their perspective, it was perfect, because they wanted love, instead of critical analysis on some issues, because even though they were capable of sharp analysis, they knew, love would help more people, so one or two sour-pusses like me could be ignored. Without Ra material, I would have never taken this stuff seriously. But again, Quo material can be very helpful to those, who are just feeling down, and need that ray of shine. It can slide wisdom, while showering love, without you noticing.

[Unbound]

I actually fully agree that humour and sarcasm can be a wonderful vehicle for assisting to express criticism, but I guess my challenge is defining at what exact point humour turns to a lack of compassion. Sometimes I see very effective humour used in criticism, whereas other times I see the humour used almost as a blind to "justify" the critical position. I understand many different forms of criticism, but there is a point where criticism ceases to actually be criticism and becomes judgement and I do not quite understand where that boundary lies yet.

Yeah criticism and judgment are hard to separate, and in the third density confusion, judgment can help someone move forward too, if it hits the right buttons. Gentle criticism is a pretty nice approach on average, though in many cases, a little extra zing definitely helps. In my dialogue with the self, I often use what may be considered harsh criticism or judgment, but hey it works out perfectly. Just very hard to judge with other selves. Infact the ideal approach seems to be no criticism, but providing examples instead, but then that ideal approach won't even be noticed in the third density.

I do know from my life experience, that coddling and pampering can actually be far more counter-productive for certain entities, then a bit of direct judgment.

1) I won't take names, but an example I have noticed on this forum, lets call it X. I found this forum last November, and started posting only last month. SO, I spent most of the time going back reading old threads. And, I noticed that this person X had very distinct patterns.

- When X was offered love, and non-critical acceptance to his ideas, he became more confident in his not so special abilities. So, instead of listening to others, his posts turned intp parroting lots of Ra material, and started perceiving himself as special. So, non-critical love soon turned into coddling and pampering. Basically, he sort of became a favorite child.

- When harsh words were said to poster X, he would take brakes and actually come back more humble, more willing to listen, less inclined to throw his expertise out there. So, you could see his loving side, and the potential in him. But, coddling started again, and this On/Off pattern was repeated again and again, and slowly the coddling led to a sense of victim-hood too, which infact led to more coddling. So, X is quite the favorite child of some posters here.

As an outsider, cause I was following old threads chronologically, X's posts stood out, because they had such obvious patterns. In X's case, i would say a bit of harsh criticism actually grounds him more, even if he may feel sad. Otherwise, he has quite the potential to see himself as an expert, and it is not pleasant to see a deep down positive entity running around thinking they know it all. If X is not criticized, his patterns of being a victim as well as an expert will exaggerate leading to a self-absorbed, confused personality.

2) I will name the second example, because after being confused initially, but reading many of his posts later, he came out as a very loving soul, who actually has ingrained humility, which increases with more love. that is our Gemini Wolf. This is an entity, with whom more love you offer, the more his confidence increases, and more love he returns back.

3) Third example would be another entity named Manniz. He is a bit shameless, and he has done enough sharp self-criticism in silence that he can handle more. So, he has improved from the youthful confusion to giving and receiving criticism happily. What he does not like are the love filled voices dictating the flow of information. Once he is balanced, he will like them too, but for now, he has no interest in that kind of balance, because love-filled voices trying to dictate their version of the non-critical world actually makes the world quite boring, and leads to the typical New Age community, where few leaders basically repeat the same stuff, while others buy their books. I also believe that such coddling love leads to victim-hood, and an indirect control based behavior, which enables STS factors to easily dominate societies. By the way, that is one of the reason, I even started posting on Bring4th, once I noticed how different Carla and her few friends were from the typical New Age community. As in, genuinely humble, and not seeking leadership or much money.

So, after all that rambling, I would say, it is simply too complex to draw boundaries between criticism and judgment. Trying to be critical with kindness in mind, and with humor is the best choice, but some cases do need a little smackdown back to reality. Coddling, and loving your favorite victim, without a decent amount of criticism leads to patterns that may not be selfish in the immediate run, but will lead to too much self-importance and confusion eventually. Especially, if the said entity has had a soft upbringing in its third density life.

And, Tanner like you posted in another thread, your avatar does present a good picture of you. I always suspected that many of the soft-spoken, and introverted type of people have lots of potential, but the vanity, confidence, loudness, verbal display and status oriented society does not appreciate them enough. Ra material confirmed for me that indeed some of those hidden souls had something unique in them. These good souls are sometime too non-judgmental though. However, maybe in higher densities with telepathy, and away from our society's standards, they bloom and their love based criticism is more effective. In third density, I definitely believe that instead of perfect criticism, often a little harsh criticism helps those, who have deep potential for love. It brings them back to the reality sooner.

Well said, all of that aha I agree with much of what you say.

It also makes me think of a thread I posted where I asked what people would teach me and Fang said, "The beauty of arrogance", and this is something that has been very challenging for me. I would be lying if I said I didn't in some way consciously control what my external expressions are, because I am aware of a huge spectrum of possible responses I could give in any moment. I am often made aware, simultaneously, of both very critical points of view as well as very accepting, lenient points of view and it is sometimes very challenging to choose what I might see as the "best" choice.

However, that being said, I can admit, mostly to myself, that I have not actually tried to be more aggressive or more critical. I have been fairly dedicated in my attempts to get away from my harshness and arrogance. It sometimes frightens me how sharp and accurate I can be with my blade of mind and honestly I feel that a lot of the time I expend considerable effort to "dull" my blade to make it more palatable.

Maybe one of the reasons I have posted a lot of things in this way recently is because I am trying to find a way to approach and integrate that part of myself once again. When I was younger I was still accepting of others, but I was ruthless with wisdom and I didn't understand gentleness or compassion. Power was all-important to me back then.

By now, I feel I have gone to the opposite extreme where power now has no importance to me, and that is not always necessarily a good thing, especially in the type of experience we have on this planet. Sometimes I wonder, maybe what the world needs, and what the best service I can provide, is to express my anger, my frustration and confusion with the world. Maybe they need to hear from that part of myself which has watched and analyzed for so long but remained silent.

I think I am scared to find pleasure in power now. I am scared to embrace power because I am scared I will be consumed by desire for it again.

Then again, maybe I need to look deeper at myself and see that the reason I wanted power in the first place was because I felt powerless to do good things in the world. I wanted power so I could balance things and act as a karmic force. I always wanted to see people be free and happy, but I saw it that my purpose was to be the darkness which bites those who abuse and go too far in to the darkness. I was the darkness which turned others back towards the light, which showed them the folly of the darkness. By that, I was the light. In those days I would have gladly torn someone limb from limb if I felt it was an equal reciprocation to their own negative actions.

Now, I am terrified of hurting anyone, especially since my empathy has increased a thousandfold since I was young. I admit I go to extreme lengths sometimes to not be a source of harm. I feel locked down now though, with no way to go in either direction. Maybe I need to finally accept that there is a part of myself that loves battle, loves conflict and wants nothing more than the thrill of the dance, the fight.

[AnthroHeart]

To be honest I haven't read that much Q'uo material. Perhaps I should.

[manniz]

I would be lying if I said I didn't in some way consciously control what my external expressions are, because I am aware of a huge spectrum of possible responses I could give in any moment. I am often made aware, simultaneously, of both very critical points of view as well as very accepting, lenient points of view and it is sometimes very challenging to choose what I might see as the "best" choice.

However, that being said, I can admit, mostly to myself, that I have not actually tried to be more aggressive or more critical. I have been fairly dedicated in my attempts to get away from my harshness and arrogance. It sometimes frightens me how sharp and accurate I can be with my blade of mind and honestly I feel that a lot of the time I expend considerable effort to "dull" my blade to make it more palatable.

Tanner, your posts often do suggest this struggle going on in your mind. That is why I think, you will make for a good moderator beyond this third density, once the limitations of verbal and written communication fall away. With telepathy, you can unleash all the criticism and snarky zingers that you want. Though, I think you will still be balanced and filled with love, and will hold on to your sharp zingers.

The worry about dulling the blade is always there on the path of love. The way I see it, as long as we have thorough, unabashed discussions within our own mind, the blades will stay sharp, and will be brought out, when necessary. Sucks for our higher selves that they will have to witness our internal, raving mad discussions.

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Sometimes I wonder, maybe what the world needs, and what the best service I can provide, is to express my anger, my frustration and confusion with the world. Maybe they need to hear from that part of myself which has watched and analyzed for so long but remained silent.

I think I am scared to find pleasure in power now. I am scared to embrace power because I am scared I will be consumed by desire for it again.

I absolutely support good, wise people expressing their frustrations about the situations around them. Quite often, these voices are missing from the public debate. From your posts, I highly doubt that you would express negative or too much power. But then, you know the most about your past self. I think you will do fine.

I wonder if Fang will be headed to your stage later in life (assuming that "Harvest suspense" won't interrupt that timeline). At a younger age, it is easy to express power and have the confidence in your own intelligence. I believe, he will mellow down, and infact behind his youthfulness, he already seems mellow, irrespective of his latest reputation on here. Fang and many young seekers are also from the internet age, so they are used to expressing themselves fully, online atleast. Many of them are actually quite take it easy, non-confrontational in real life from what I have experienced with my younger friends.

I have noticed how the young seeker types like Fang are quite advanced compared to their other younger peers. Maybe there is a secret, behind the scenes plan, letting them access their own wisdom earlier than previous generations. Why am I even using the young word so much in reference to others? I am kinda young myself, other than my mind, which seemed to have aged, even before I hit college.

I better stop before Geminising this thread.

ps: Before anyone gets a little itchy, the Geminising term was used with abundance of love, and in full, loving respect to Gemini's beautiful innocence.

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To be honest I haven't read that much Q'uo material. Perhaps I should.

I am surprised Gemini that you have not read Quo yet. You may actually like it, since their approach is very love based. You have been talking about feeling unconditional love. Quo offers it in abundance. A little too much sometimes from my entertainment based perspective.

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When I was younger I was still accepting of others, but I was ruthless with wisdom and I didn't understand gentleness or compassion. Power was all-important to me back then.

Btw, Tanner, i started exactly opposite to you. I was raised in economically limited circumstances (one bedroom apartment for 5 people), and in a society that did not encourage individual expression. So, I actually came to my own a little later.

[Fang]

It also makes me think of a thread I posted where I asked what people would teach me and Fang said, "The beauty of arrogance", and this is something that has been very challenging for me. I would be lying if I said I didn't in some way consciously control what my external expressions are, because I am aware of a huge spectrum of possible responses I could give in any moment. I am often made aware, simultaneously, of both very critical points of view as well as very accepting, lenient points of view and it is sometimes very challenging to choose what I might see as the "best" choice.

To give a bit of a context for that, after I said "the beauty of arrogance" I said "and the wisdom of humility" which I personally, thought was rather profound

But really the reason I said it Tanner is because you are already humble and have great ideas to offer but sometimes lack a certain assertiveness that comes from confidence that could really get your point rather than friendly words alluding to your point across . Arrogance is a stage to grow out of but it offers lessons and skills for later stages, that's what I was hinting at.


Anyways, the ego is the focal point of consciousness in the individual, it's not a thing to be discarded. The pathological behaviour of ego, (as it is of self) include those tendencies of manipulation, control as they are related to self. However, those behaviours are not the ego itself, the "I" when refined and expanded transcends those early levels of close minded self centered behaviour that is usually associated with the word, as the "I" is now an expanded concept. If I see myself as a product of and participant in nature I'm not going to have the same behavioural tendencies as someone who thinks they are a deity's personal gift to creation for example. Each level of development offers new challenges and opportunities for "malfunction" or even regression to past states of awareness.

Good thread.

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For your points on critical thinking I agree for the most part, and you won't find many more people that are reluctant to whip out Occam's razor than me. I'm very glad to see more reflection the nature of criticism here because for a long time it was just ignored, which is to say, disrespected ironically lol. I hope we are all approaching a level ground so we can discuss things again rather than the nature of the discussion in question lol

[Sagittarius]

A world without arrogance would be arrogant .

[Melissa]

This thread is just fantastic, such a pleasure to read these interactions.

[reeay]

Ego and egotism are distinctly different concepts.

[Unbound]

I would be lying if I said I didn't in some way consciously control what my external expressions are, because I am aware of a huge spectrum of possible responses I could give in any moment. I am often made aware, simultaneously, of both very critical points of view as well as very accepting, lenient points of view and it is sometimes very challenging to choose what I might see as the "best" choice.

However, that being said, I can admit, mostly to myself, that I have not actually tried to be more aggressive or more critical. I have been fairly dedicated in my attempts to get away from my harshness and arrogance. It sometimes frightens me how sharp and accurate I can be with my blade of mind and honestly I feel that a lot of the time I expend considerable effort to "dull" my blade to make it more palatable.

Tanner, your posts often do suggest this struggle going on in your mind. That is why I think, you will make for a good moderator beyond this third density, once the limitations of verbal and written communication fall away. With telepathy, you can unleash all the criticism and snarky zingers that you want. Though, I think you will still be balanced and filled with love, and will hold on to your sharp zingers.

The worry about dulling the blade is always there on the path of love. The way I see it, as long as we have thorough, unabashed discussions within our own mind, the blades will stay sharp, and will be brought out, when necessary. Sucks for our higher selves that they will have to witness our internal, raving mad discussions.

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Sometimes I wonder, maybe what the world needs, and what the best service I can provide, is to express my anger, my frustration and confusion with the world. Maybe they need to hear from that part of myself which has watched and analyzed for so long but remained silent.

I think I am scared to find pleasure in power now. I am scared to embrace power because I am scared I will be consumed by desire for it again.

I absolutely support good, wise people expressing their frustrations about the situations around them. Quite often, these voices are missing from the public debate. From your posts, I highly doubt that you would express negative or too much power. But then, you know the most about your past self. I think you will do fine.

I wonder if Fang will be headed to your stage later in life (assuming that "Harvest suspense" won't interrupt that timeline). At a younger age, it is easy to express power and have the confidence in your own intelligence. I believe, he will mellow down, and infact behind his youthfulness, he already seems mellow, irrespective of his latest reputation on here. Fang and many young seekers are also from the internet age, so they are used to expressing themselves fully, online atleast. Many of them are actually quite take it easy, non-confrontational in real life from what I have experienced with my younger friends.

I have noticed how the young seeker types like Fang are quite advanced compared to their other younger peers. Maybe there is a secret, behind the scenes plan, letting them access their own wisdom earlier than previous generations. Why am I even using the young word so much in reference to others? I am kinda young myself, other than my mind, which seemed to have aged, even before I hit college.

I better stop before Geminising this thread.

ps: Before anyone gets a little itchy, the Geminising term was used with abundance of love, and in full, loving respect to Gemini's beautiful innocence.

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To be honest I haven't read that much Q'uo material. Perhaps I should.

I am surprised Gemini that you have not read Quo yet. You may actually like it, since their approach is very love based. You have been talking about feeling unconditional love. Quo offers it in abundance. A little too much sometimes from my entertainment based perspective.

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When I was younger I was still accepting of others, but I was ruthless with wisdom and I didn't understand gentleness or compassion. Power was all-important to me back then.

By the way, Tanner, i started exactly opposite to you. I was raised in economically limited circumstances (one bedroom apartment for 5 people), and in a society that did not encourage individual expression. So, I actually came to my own a little later.

For all of this that I see that I feel is true and I have known myself there still seems to be some threshold within myself that I have yet to cross in to deeper understanding. I have an inhibition towards accepting my own power that I have not yet deciphered. It all seems to make sense logically, but then there is no "click", I am not sure what I am missing.

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It also makes me think of a thread I posted where I asked what people would teach me and Fang said, "The beauty of arrogance", and this is something that has been very challenging for me. I would be lying if I said I didn't in some way consciously control what my external expressions are, because I am aware of a huge spectrum of possible responses I could give in any moment. I am often made aware, simultaneously, of both very critical points of view as well as very accepting, lenient points of view and it is sometimes very challenging to choose what I might see as the "best" choice.

To give a bit of a context for that, after I said "the beauty of arrogance" I said "and the wisdom of humility" which I personally, thought was rather profound

But really the reason I said it Tanner is because you are already humble and have great ideas to offer but sometimes lack a certain assertiveness that comes from confidence that could really get your point rather than friendly words alluding to your point across . Arrogance is a stage to grow out of but it offers lessons and skills for later stages, that's what I was hinting at.


Anyways, the ego is the focal point of consciousness in the individual, it's not a thing to be discarded. The pathological behaviour of ego, (as it is of self) include those tendencies of manipulation, control as they are related to self. However, those behaviours are not the ego itself, the "I" when refined and expanded transcends those early levels of close minded self centered behaviour that is usually associated with the word, as the "I" is now an expanded concept. If I see myself as a product of and participant in nature I'm not going to have the same behavioural tendencies as someone who thinks they are a deity's personal gift to creation for example. Each level of development offers new challenges and opportunities for "malfunction" or even regression to past states of awareness.

Good thread.

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For your points on critical thinking I agree for the most part, and you won't find many more people that are reluctant to whip out Occam's razor than me. I'm very glad to see more reflection the nature of criticism here because for a long time it was just ignored, which is to say, disrespected ironically lol. I hope we are all approaching a level ground so we can discuss things again rather than the nature of the discussion in question lol

I think Ra implies that a distortion towards ego is to suggest an over-balance towards focus on the ego part of the self which in an overactive state can lead to the need to control relationships with others to satisfy the images of the self the ego has related itself to.

I admit I am somewhat frightened of myself when I 'get serious' which is why I try to keep myself as light as possible. When I get in to a state of serious contemplation and assertiveness it is when my warrior self comes out and maybe I have to rebuild my respect for that warrior self because while I used to understand it from a point of power I am still attempting to grasp its nature on the point of love.

[Sacred Fool]

I admit I am somewhat frightened of myself when I 'get serious' which is why I try to keep myself as light as possible. When I get in to a state of serious contemplation and assertiveness it is when my warrior self comes out and maybe I have to rebuild my respect for that warrior self because while I used to understand it from a point of power I am still attempting to grasp its nature on the point of love.

That's an interesting place to observe from, in my experience. There's a queer juxtaposition of personal power and helplessness, and the more you sit there, the more the feeling of power turns into something else, something less personal and less protective.

It's a damned lonely place to be, too. But that can be a good thing insofar as it can expose the path forward...perhaps?

Sometimes one has to look back at the roads not taken and, rather than focus on the parts of self that have become over-activated, observe and participate in those which were left for another time. Perhaps there are under-activated parts of you that are seeking gentle recognition and engagement?

[manniz]

Tanner, with respect to so many capable minds here, you for example, I also see society being a big factor. Maybe many of you guys came here with decent plans, to express your wisdom and love, but in its current state the modern society severely limits discourse. They do not have much use for spirituality based ideas.

At least spiritually love based ideas come with a safety net, even if some may laugh at you. But, spiritual wisdom based ideas can get you tortured and killed in many parts of the world.

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Tanner, with respect to so many capable minds here, you for example, I also see society being a big factor. Maybe many of you guys came here with decent plans, to express your wisdom and love, but in its current state the modern society severely limits discourse. They do not have much use for spirituality based ideas.

At least spiritually love based ideas come with a safety net, even if some may laugh at you. But, spiritual wisdom based ideas can get you tortured and killed in many parts of the world.

But then again, that is another challenge. If your voice cannot be expressed in society, how to turn inwards, yet still maintain the edge of your spiritual blade. Sometimes, it is easier to learn love, when turning inwards to the self, but harder to express wisdom, especially when that wisdom conflicts with the love that you feel obliged to present to other-selves.

[zenmaster]

Ego and egotism are distinctly different concepts.

Ego means I, which in 3rd density is largely expressed in a personal-social "yellow ray" thought identification. If the identification is distorted towards self-absorption we get egotism which is a natural stage for a child or into later years for the developmentally stunted.

Love as understanding compassion is green ray, but it is almost always recognized by yellow-ray behavioral cues due to unaddressed needs. Yellow ray is subject to the "doing" modality where green ray is simply "being". When (unconsciously in yellow/orange) engaged the doing mindset, the sought "love" necessarily becomes subject to causality and demands of whatever imbalances self is still attempting to address, complete with expectations, forms of exaggeration and compensation which (again, unconsciously through yellow/orange) attempt to elicit the mirroring effect.

Dissatisfaction with self creates a "calling", to use Ra's terminology. The calling is a frame of thought, with varying degrees of confusion, which insists others resolve their self-made, internal conflict within the limited scope of the acceptable parameters. The acceptable parameters typically are those which are indulgent of the particular imbalanced (yellow-ray) ego which, disliking discomfort of shadow, typically seeks compensation which engenders feelings of control, power, safety, specialness, and acceptance. Thus the support group is created.

[kanonathena]

Maybe I need to finally accept that there is a part of myself that loves battle, loves conflict and wants nothing more than the thrill of the dance, the fight.

I also kinda feel like staying in the illusion of separation. I know higher state will feel much better but will it be as grim and vivid as this reality?

[Unbound]

Maybe I need to finally accept that there is a part of myself that loves battle, loves conflict and wants nothing more than the thrill of the dance, the fight.

I also kinda feel like staying in the illusion of separation. I know higher state will feel much better but will it be as grim and vivid as this reality?

I don't see fighting or battle as primarily an idea of separation. There is a basic aggression and intelligent force required for anything to come to fruition in nature. Without a burst of sheer will and life can a flower come to bloom.

Ares, a god of war, was first taught dance by Priapus, a god of the phallus, before being taught combat and the ways of war, as dance is the true art behind the martial arts, in my opinion.

Also, I believe Ra said that competitive sports are useful towards positive polarization, so that tells me that competition isn't something which is necessarily destructive and indeed can be a very powerful working force towards helping us improve. That being said, it can also cause some of the most horrible suffering we are capable of experiencing.

For me, I think I am learning that I can't "get rid" of any part of myself that I encounter or experience but can only give each part its own place in the schematic of the whole and hope that by each relative placement to other parts I can create a structure which balances itself out. The will to will is at the core of all "combat" and struggle, the life impulse itself surging forth.

That being said, I think this energy can be channeled in to other forms of expression which still satisfy the need to express via blue-ray.

[xise]

Ra says that negative entities deal with the core distortions of the red through yellow rays in order to achieve the necessary capacity for harvest. It seems to me that negative entities in many cases see themselves as separate not insofar as they see things in terms of "self" and "other" but because they see it that they themselves are the entirety of unity and so they must be "separate" from all else otherwise they could not claim themselves as sole Creator.

I've had strong, child-hood experiences with the concept you talk about here.

Ever since I was like six or seven, I often daydreamed that nothing really existed outside of my mind, and that I was creating all experience and nothing else except myself existed. I daydreamed that all people where projections of my own mind, like a game. I really don't know how or why I thought this way as I was not exposed to any such philosophical material at an early age.

I also believe that I was negatively polarized in the distant past or have a parallel incarnation that is negatively polarized.

Your comment puts these two intuitions together. As an aside, this is also why I think an appeal to infinity can be used for more inner balance - if indeed I believe I am the only consciousness that exists, then clearly I am responsible for everything that happens on some level.

Fascinating stuff!

[kanonathena]

Maybe I need to finally accept that there is a part of myself that loves battle, loves conflict and wants nothing more than the thrill of the dance, the fight.

I also kinda feel like staying in the illusion of separation. I know higher state will feel much better but will it be as grim and vivid as this reality?

I don't see fighting or battle as primarily an idea of separation. There is a basic aggression and intelligent force required for anything to come to fruition in nature. Without a burst of sheer will and life can a flower come to bloom.

Ares, a god of war, was first taught dance by Priapus, a god of the phallus, before being taught combat and the ways of war, as dance is the true art behind the martial arts, in my opinion.

Also, I believe Ra said that competitive sports are useful towards positive polarization, so that tells me that competition isn't something which is necessarily destructive and indeed can be a very powerful working force towards helping us improve. That being said, it can also cause some of the most horrible suffering we are capable of experiencing.

For me, I think I am learning that I can't "get rid" of any part of myself that I encounter or experience but can only give each part its own place in the schematic of the whole and hope that by each relative placement to other parts I can create a structure which balances itself out. The will to will is at the core of all "combat" and struggle, the life impulse itself surging forth.

That being said, I think this energy can be channeled in to other forms of expression which still satisfy the need to express via blue-ray.

To answer my own question, I guess the question of what is real and what is not real exist in all states, but this burning sensation in my yellow chakra area is killing me, that's what makes it so real to me.

[AnthroHeart]

I think I have a yellow ray blockage because I tend to not seek out additional responsibilities at work.

[Sacred Fool]

I also believe that I was negatively polarized in the distant past or have a parallel incarnation that is negatively polarized.

In one session Q'uo says that early 6D entities incarnate into the density oppositely polarized from the one they came up through so that, when they offer an higher self for their successors, they can include information for those who travel in either polarity.

Interesting concept.