Randi challenge?

[Rolci]

Don't know if this has been suggested but I understand Carla has strange effect on electromagnetic gadgets. Should be simple to demonstrate on any item behind a glass cover, and the $1 million Randi is offering for this simple feat should be more than sufficient to cover the next few years' expenses. Or am I missing something?

[Bring4th_Austin]

Carla's belief that she has effects on electromagnetic devices is a long-term statistical propensity for devices to malfunction in her presence. It's not something that she wills to happen, not something that could definitely be reproduced in a controlled laboratory setting, and even if it were, not something that could be causally linked to Carla (devices malfunctioning are a huge reason for controlled lab experiments to be dismissed, not accepted).

However, if you'd like for us to discuss this on the radio show, I can add it to the list. Would you like to hear it discussed?

[Rolci]

However, if you'd like for us to discuss this on the radio show, I can add it to the list. Would you like to hear it discussed?

Considering what's at stake, any discussion would be highly welcome, who knows, this might lead to somewhere!

[Oldern]

What is interesting to consider is what part a skeptic takes in our consensus reality and what part a "believer" takes.
As much as it might pain us (or not), when wills collide like that, and you know the state of our consensus reality, any potentially "supernatural" and/or magical capabilities will pale against the sheer will of this particular individual to live in a world where things like that do not exist.

Therefore, if you plan on changing consensus reality directly like that, you will run in stone walls, represented by our current scientific understanding and the likes of Randi.

And since they are all respected and just as equal individuals to the reality of ours as believers, such confrontations will remain fruitless, imho.

[reeay]

We won't want to 'prostitute' our natural tendencies, too, if you know what I mean.

[BrownEye]

I don't think much of that guy. I have seen him turn down applicants that wanted to prove tricks not dependent upon the person, which didn't make sense at first.

I later considered how a person of ability can raise the vibration of those in the vicinity, allowing ability to appear in those near, that same ability then vanishing when the high vibration individual leaves. It would almost appear that Randi can negate this effect and reverse it.

After watching a few of his "debunks" it almost seemed like he was using sleight of hand to "debunk" through his own trickery. He has anger over the success of others.

[ChickenInSpace]

Randi is proficient with focus and can likely overwrite his preferred reality over others. I'd wager he's close to 90% sts without even 'trying much'.

[zenmaster]

"Skeptics" and "believers" are often at both ends of the scale though, and each just as distorted - on one side the materialist/reductionist on the other the fanatical magical "everything is possible if I like the idea".

Randi's acceptance for "proof" would involve rigorous scientific experiment which is completely reasonable to me.

[Namaste]

"Skeptics" and "believers" are often at both ends of the scale though, and each just as distorted - on one side the materialist/reductionist on the other the fanatical magical "everything is possible if I like the idea".

Randi's acceptance for "proof" would involve rigorous scientific experiment which is completely reasonable to me.

Skeptics and believers differ.

Our measurable world is effected by the observer. Consciousness. Belief opens doors. Disbelief closes them.

3.9 Questioner: I am reminded of the statement, approximately, if you had enough faith, you could say to a mountain to move and the mountain would move. I assume this is approximately what you are saying, and I am assuming that if you are fully aware of the Law of One, then you are able to do these things. Is that correct?

Ra: I am Ra. The vibratory distortion of sound, faith, is perhaps one of the stumbling blocks between those of what we may call the infinite path and those of the finite proving/understanding.

You are precisely correct in your understanding of the congruency of faith and intelligent infinity; however, one is a spiritual term, the other more acceptable perhaps to the conceptual framework distortions of those who seek with measure and pen.

While, Zenmaster, you're perhaps aligned with the latter - 'measure and pen' - there is no need to label the spiritual believers 'fanatical'. A rather negative connotation; 'extreme', 'over zealous'.

Faith/belief can move mountains.

[zenmaster]

Nah, I wouldn't equate belief with faith. One is always an idea that is entertained while the other is a condition which speaks through sufficient purity. The idea is something which may bring one in touch with some aspect of spirit. Which then, through association, suggests infinity or something powerfully compelling and deep. And through that connection is thought to be associated with faith I guess. Meanwhile, faith does not rely on a particular idea, and is not convenient or notional.
In other words, a belief is an overlay or thought structure which may temporarily create a bridge to access spirit, whereas faith underlies all seeking. Sort of a big difference.

The confusion of faith equating to belief is understandable, if the notions one holds are what enables a perceived connection to something greater.

Perhaps you missed it, but "measure and pen" is exterior and of ideas while "faith" simply transcends thought and underlies experience. Since there is zero learning without experience, however, it kinda may be a good idea to have checks on it. Fortunately, we have that in the form of science. So although we have the ability to say everything is possible in infinity, we kinda have to back it up with actual rather than desired experience. A fool proof system.

[cloudkingdom]

Randi is proficient with focus and can likely overwrite his preferred reality over others. I'd wager he's close to 90% sts without even 'trying much'.

i coulndt get where does he overwrite his preferred reality. you mean to himself or others?
if you mean he is selfish while you are saying he serves to self, why do think he is selfish and what is the reason or reasons for it?

[ChickenInSpace]

To himself and to others.

I mean he works alot to serve himself.

From what I read his rethoric of helping 'the uneducated masses' sounds pretty confident in that his views are right and that's maybe not the best position of judgement in a matter of which he knows little about...

[cloudkingdom]

he can overwrite to himself but still i cannot understand how he can overwrite his ideas to others. if you are talking about accepting an idea, it does not mean overwrite. and what he shares "science" is an objective structure. still i couldnt understand how he is being selfish via science. if you are saying science is a built in selfish structure, there is no serve to self except science's itself.

you are saying he works a lot as a selfish person but you didnt answer it as i see. why he is selfish and could you give some examples about it. in my eyes i cannot see any overwrite of personal thoughts. thats why i am asking to you.

little about what?

[AnthroHeart]

Randi is biased. I've heard from another that he's never going to pay out.

[cloudkingdom]

bias of what? you should give at least 1 point because i cannot understand what are you talking about. maybe you are talking about he is against all

[AnthroHeart]

Biased against anything psychic related.

[reeay]

Randi knows he would never have to give $1 million to anybody bc he knows that the basic assumptions within his scientific paradigm (modernist/materialist - like look @ neuro & physio functions) is limited in its scope to study psi phenom.

It is possible for a researcher who uses phenomenological research to study things like channeling. These researchers use different basic assumptions and don't need materialistic evidence (they are postmodernist and beyond). Stanislav Grof would be an example… and actually Daryl Bem, a social psychologist does study psi, too.

I don't know how Randi could be STS just because he's a skeptic and dramatic. He's just reacting to something he feels is sucking in naive believers (who do get persuaded so easily to believe everything). There's an irony bc anti-science and skeptics demonize each other lol. Better look at one's hyper-reactiveness than blame someone for being STS just bc they don't subscribe to same beliefs and assumptions.

[cloudkingdom]

@gemini
personaly i cant know is he biased or not. also i dont know how you know that. you cant know %100 sure he is biased or not. you can just guess.
but if you can demonstrate anything related to psychic under the control and when he couldnt debunk it and then he ignores it, you could be right and you can say he is completely biased. but at this point there no evidence at all under the control. if you know something reliable, accepted by many people and tested again and again please link to here so i can see. but it must be couldnt explained by science because there is zillion of claims in the internet they dont know what they do.

i dont say anything about there is psychic or not but believing something which is has no repeat and multitude, it means it cannot be scientific evidence which is accepted by tons of people and you have to think about its reliability. i dont say its true or not but it cant be reliable.

also if there is something has probability of evidence, i must be exist in nature which scientists call it material world. nobody says there cant anything related to spiritual or psychic not exist. they just say we dont know. there no bias against spiritual or psychic things. if there is evidence, it means exist in nature.

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Randi knows he would never have to give $1 million to anybody bc he knows that the basic assumptions within his scientific paradigm (modernist/materialist - like look @ neuro & physio functions) is limited in its scope to study psi phenom.

It is possible for a researcher who uses phenomenological research to study things like channeling. These researchers use different basic assumptions and don't need materialistic evidence (they are postmodernist and beyond). Stanislav Grof would be an example… and actually Daryl Bem, a social psychologist does study psi, too.

I don't know how Randi could be STS just because he's a skeptic and dramatic. He's just reacting to something he feels is sucking in naive believers (who do get persuaded so easily to believe everything). There's an irony bc anti-science and skeptics demonize each other lol. Better look at one's hyper-reactiveness than blame someone for being STS just bc they don't subscribe to same beliefs and assumptions.

randi does not gives his own money. he has sponsored by a verizon's subsidiary company which is i dont remember its name but if you want to know, you can search on google.

there is no different kind of assumptions on science. if there is something discovered which is spiritual it goes to its first assumption what they call it nature. so when you say something spiritual it must be exist in science's nature. if its exist it cannot be anymore spiritual or only thing you can do is label it as spiritual. labeling or naming is not important.

[reeay]

There is a difference say if you're doing qualitative and quantitative type research. Totally different paradigm.

[cloudkingdom]

i couldnt understand what are you talking about while saying qualitative and quantitative but if you say science has different kind of assumptions, there are few main assumptions which are must be accepted if you are doing science and also science is not seperated. if you are doing something, you have to accept the other assumptions.

https://www.google.com/search?site=&sour...wYAFjfhZkQ

some people extend it to 10 assumptions but still its impossible to say there is a different spiritual world exist. because everything is in nature and its one. you must accept it if you want to qualify it as science. if you do not accept it, its pseudoscience.

but science does not say pseudoscience is false or true. its just not science. if you want to make any experiment which has different assumptions, you must first name it because science is science and you cannot change its meaning. in short you are talking about different researchs which are not science. they are different kind of things which researchers think its science but sadly its not when you look what is called science.

[Adonai One]

At some point in the future, I will be consulting a lawyer and attempting to claim the prize. I've seen what I've needed to seen in order to do what I wish to do. Now it's a matter of me polarizing enough to do it.

I hope to see this organization shut down once I am done. I don't even care if they deny me the money based on grounds of not explaining my method by proving how the photon works metaphysically. I will just simply prove indirectly the universe is one unified being and mind in one simple experiment.

I will give merit to the fact that this world is irrational in thinking it can go around holding mystical woo-woo as fact without attempting to prove it rationally. It's a bad mental habit. It's irresponsible. It's delusional.

I will go in as an atheist that simply desires to prove panpsychism as a valid theory through phenomena, nothing more, and give credence to my theory of the archetypal mind. Additionally, after proving panpsychism as valid, I will attempt to create a system of credentials that will enable healers and sorcerers to have proof of their ability, destroying charlatans altogether.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panpsychism

Grounded and sensible spirituality will be the norm after I am done.

If none of this works out, I'll seriously consider looking into seeing a neurologist because something isn't right with my eyes and body.

[isis]

what's the one simple experiment?

[Adonai One]

It will involve a sizeable, significant amount of material, likely an object, that can be bought at a store, sealed, untouched by me and likely given to me by the certified people regulating the experiment.

I will enter the testing area in only boxers shorts with my hands tied behind my back. I will go even as far as to be restrained in a completely monitored and certified apparatus as to ensure no trickery or regular stage magic.

I will be proving unity with only this object and my mind, and again, while being completely restrained in my body. I am still deciding the actual phenomena that proves my point: It will have implications beyond current science and will not be some insignificant little nudge that can be explained by an air conditioning vent. It will be absolutely clear as to what I have done and that it is paranormal.

And I will state... doing remotely anything significant is proving to be a very tasking exercise. Most people who would reach such ability would probably be so peaceful they would decide to hole themselves up in a mountain or die in their sleep, seeing they don't need to be here or do anything. Or hate everything so much they decide to leave as well.

[isis]

It will involve a sizeable, significant amount of material, likely an object, that can be bought at a store, sealed, untouched by me and likely given to me by the certified people regulating the experiment.

I will enter the testing area in only boxers shorts with my hands tied behind my back. I will go even as far as to be restrained in a completely monitored and certified apparatus as to ensure no trickery or regular stage magic.

I will be proving unity with only this object and my mind, and again, while being completely restrained in my body. I am still deciding the actual phenomena that proves my point: It will have implications beyond current science and will not be some insignificant little nudge that can be explained by an air conditioning vent. It will be absolutely clear as to what I have done and that it is paranormal.

And I will state... doing remotely anything significant is proving to be a very tasking exercise. Most people who would reach such ability would probably be so peaceful they would decide to hole themselves up in a mountain or die in their sleep, seeing they don't need to be here or do anything. Or hate everything so much they decide to leave as well.

O_O

[Adonai One]

??????

[isis]

why in only boxers?

[xise]

why in only boxers?

So glad someone said something before me lol.

Boxers and handcuffs a1? Are you trying to tell vervex something?

[Adonai One]

Clothes can hide trickery and stage magic.

[isis]

boxers = clothes

[Adonai One]

Heh. We'll see how I can make it clear no trickery is in there.