Ra on marijuana

[kaywhyellay]

I have a question, or rather an introspection that I would greatly appreciate any information on in regards to Law of One material. I stumbled onto the wanderer's handbook recently and have been plowing through every free moment I have..

re marijuana, I had an experience where I had smoked with my mom and we were taking a walk in our neighborhood. The intensity of the atmosphere was accepting, vibrant, luscious, imbued with life. We were having lengthy discussion about our mutual spiritual advancement. I felt great peace and contentment, just pure movement and forward seeking. I felt a white light presence that filled the void of reality, like the sky, hovering down on me, filling the entirety of my consciousness slowly, whose source was a pinprick, as if wanting to impose a gift, but I remember telling it 'no, not yet'

after which the feeling and the moment began to fade and descend again into normal vacillations of inquiry and rejection so inherent to normal consciousness..

was that a decision in regards to graduating this density?
could you point out some passage or direction?

[Aaron]

Liet, thank you for that insight. Your first post helped me make a connection.

Oceania, aura colors are different from chakra colors because what you see when you look at an aura is the combination of the colors that the chakras are putting out. (I think...)

The only thing the root chakra makes you do is other people. Ok but really, if you have two people experiencing mutual red ray activation with eachother, there's no doing in that action besides the physical activity. It's all self-contained within the entities. They were born with the ability and they'll take it to the grave. They're just experiencing eachothers' beingness. Am I making any sense here? Are we still in merc retrograde? lol...

Now with Liet's post, I've heard it said that cannabis both hinders and helps the opening of the third eye/brow. I can say that in my experience, it most definitely helps to throw it wide open, like Azrael mentioned at one point. (different thread, I think)

The first time I smoked and received an effect, I saw visions that represented my logical and emotional ideals as a child. (one after the other, then they combined) Then, I saw a third vision, which basically allowed me to see the source of my own thought, the rainbow flowing energy which is closer to the real me than anything outside, coming out from a central point analogous to the top of my spine and flowing through the... I'm wordless here, but it's analogous to the brain pathways, carrying thoughts from the source.

Now, years later, I'm at a point where I can at least partially open the third eye instantly simply by focusing, and my meditations while high have consisted of me reaching a state which I recognize as totally natural. I just can't quite get there while sober yet. The numbness starts at the base, and it feels as if my body is turning to stone or being pulled open like a zipper, falling away as the point of focus is gathered in the third eye. As the sensation of the body disappears, the strangest sensation happens with the arms. It feels like my right arm is somehow pulled through the body to the left, and visa versa. Then sometimes those arms split and it feels like I have many arms. (Picture those Indian deities with all those arms flailing about everywhichway)

And it gets higher, and higher, and higher, untiiiiiiilll.... Well, I haven't gotten that far yet.

I think I actually have a blockage which is manifesting as a fear of going all the way with any kind of experience. Not healthy... But I'm working on it.

Let's keep in mind the guideline concerning drugs and the discussion thereof as we move forward:
"9) Many if not all of us have had – or know someone who has had – experience with drugs. We have likely seen at first hand both the joys and the sorrows of drugs: the memorable moments of communing in the open heart with others; the destruction of self and/or others caused or exacerbated by drugs; and, at its best but perhaps most suspect, the spiritual insight and understanding that variably results.

We ask that the following guidelines be honored when speaking about drugs:

a) That the means of creating, obtaining, or distributing any illegal substance (whether it “should” be illegal or not) be left completely off of the public discussion table.

b) That any and all discussion of drug use be placed within the larger context of spiritual evolution. For better or worse, how does a particular drug, or drugs in general, affect your spiritual evolution? What role have drugs played in the spiritual evolution of humankind? What part did your positive and/or negative experiences with drugs have in your own spiritual evolution?

c) That use of illegal drugs never be promoted to other members as a means for evolving, healing, growing, improving, etc. Members may report of their own experiences, but are not permitted to suggest to any other member that such experiences may be replicated. It will always remain to the reader’s discrimination whether any particular drug is worthy of further consideration. No one is ever to be persuaded, swayed, won over, or influenced to change their own perspective on drugs through any means other than the sharing of ones own perspective with no motive save to share the experience.

Notably, in the dozen or so instances where the Confederation has been questioned in channeling sessions at L/L Research through the years, their answer has always been that there are unintended negative consequences that invariably accompany the use of drugs. They suggest progressing naturally."

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I have a question, or rather an introspection that I would greatly appreciate any information on in regards to Law of One material. I stumbled onto the wanderer's handbook recently and have been plowing through every free moment I have..

re marijuana, I had an experience where I had smoked with my mom and we were taking a walk in our neighborhood. The intensity of the atmosphere was accepting, vibrant, luscious, imbued with life. We were having lengthy discussion about our mutual spiritual advancement. I felt great peace and contentment, just pure movement and forward seeking. I felt a white light presence that filled the void of reality, like the sky, hovering down on me, filling the entirety of my consciousness slowly, whose source was a pinprick, as if wanting to impose a gift, but I remember telling it 'no, not yet'

after which the feeling and the moment began to fade and descend again into normal vacillations of inquiry and rejection so inherent to normal consciousness..

was that a decision in regards to graduating this density?
could you point out some passage or direction?

It sounds like you were prepped to receive a download of information! It could have come from "outside" (another entity or group of entities), or it could have come from "inside" (your own soul or higher self). Did you consciously tell it not yet? When you say in regards to graduating, do you mean you feel like it might be a prerequisite for graduating for you to receive that gift? If so, put your fears aside... There's no magical necessity for graduation.

16.37 Questioner: I am assuming that it is not necessary for an individual to understand the Law of One to go from the third to the fourth density. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. It is absolutely necessary that an entity consciously realize it does not understand in order for it to be harvestable. Understanding is not of this density.

Welcome to the forums!!!

[Oceania]

i agree Aaron. drug use shouldn't be promoted. even if one person has a great experience not all have. and you can't tell what's gonna happen.

[Sagittarius]

Different people get different effects from drugs. Some people just simply are not ready for the drug they are taking. Some people won't get the full affects or get the wrong affects.

If you don't feel comfortable taking a drug don't take it, you will know when you are ready to take a certain drug.

[kaywhyellay]

Liet, thank you for that insight. Your first post helped me make a connection.

Oceania, aura colors are different from chakra colors because what you see when you look at an aura is the combination of the colors that the chakras are putting out. (I think...)

The only thing the root chakra makes you do is other people. Ok but really, if you have two people experiencing mutual red ray activation with eachother, there's no doing in that action besides the physical activity. It's all self-contained within the entities. They were born with the ability and they'll take it to the grave. They're just experiencing eachothers' beingness. Am I making any sense here? Are we still in merc retrograde? lol...

Now with Liet's post, I've heard it said that cannabis both hinders and helps the opening of the third eye/brow. I can say that in my experience, it most definitely helps to throw it wide open, like Azrael mentioned at one point. (different thread, I think)

The first time I smoked and received an effect, I saw visions that represented my logical and emotional ideals as a child. (one after the other, then they combined) Then, I saw a third vision, which basically allowed me to see the source of my own thought, the rainbow flowing energy which is closer to the real me than anything outside, coming out from a central point analogous to the top of my spine and flowing through the... I'm wordless here, but it's analogous to the brain pathways, carrying thoughts from the source.

Now, years later, I'm at a point where I can at least partially open the third eye instantly simply by focusing, and my meditations while high have consisted of me reaching a state which I recognize as totally natural. I just can't quite get there while sober yet. The numbness starts at the base, and it feels as if my body is turning to stone or being pulled open like a zipper, falling away as the point of focus is gathered in the third eye. As the sensation of the body disappears, the strangest sensation happens with the arms. It feels like my right arm is somehow pulled through the body to the left, and visa versa. Then sometimes those arms split and it feels like I have many arms. (Picture those Indian deities with all those arms flailing about everywhichway)

And it gets higher, and higher, and higher, untiiiiiiilll.... Well, I haven't gotten that far yet.

I think I actually have a blockage which is manifesting as a fear of going all the way with any kind of experience. Not healthy... But I'm working on it.

Let's keep in mind the guideline concerning drugs and the discussion thereof as we move forward:
"9) Many if not all of us have had – or know someone who has had – experience with drugs. We have likely seen at first hand both the joys and the sorrows of drugs: the memorable moments of communing in the open heart with others; the destruction of self and/or others caused or exacerbated by drugs; and, at its best but perhaps most suspect, the spiritual insight and understanding that variably results.

We ask that the following guidelines be honored when speaking about drugs:

a) That the means of creating, obtaining, or distributing any illegal substance (whether it “should” be illegal or not) be left completely off of the public discussion table.

b) That any and all discussion of drug use be placed within the larger context of spiritual evolution. For better or worse, how does a particular drug, or drugs in general, affect your spiritual evolution? What role have drugs played in the spiritual evolution of humankind? What part did your positive and/or negative experiences with drugs have in your own spiritual evolution?

c) That use of illegal drugs never be promoted to other members as a means for evolving, healing, growing, improving, etc. Members may report of their own experiences, but are not permitted to suggest to any other member that such experiences may be replicated. It will always remain to the reader’s discrimination whether any particular drug is worthy of further consideration. No one is ever to be persuaded, swayed, won over, or influenced to change their own perspective on drugs through any means other than the sharing of ones own perspective with no motive save to share the experience.

Notably, in the dozen or so instances where the Confederation has been questioned in channeling sessions at L/L Research through the years, their answer has always been that there are unintended negative consequences that invariably accompany the use of drugs. They suggest progressing naturally."

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I have a question, or rather an introspection that I would greatly appreciate any information on in regards to Law of One material. I stumbled onto the wanderer's handbook recently and have been plowing through every free moment I have..

re marijuana, I had an experience where I had smoked with my mom and we were taking a walk in our neighborhood. The intensity of the atmosphere was accepting, vibrant, luscious, imbued with life. We were having lengthy discussion about our mutual spiritual advancement. I felt great peace and contentment, just pure movement and forward seeking. I felt a white light presence that filled the void of reality, like the sky, hovering down on me, filling the entirety of my consciousness slowly, whose source was a pinprick, as if wanting to impose a gift, but I remember telling it 'no, not yet'

after which the feeling and the moment began to fade and descend again into normal vacillations of inquiry and rejection so inherent to normal consciousness..

was that a decision in regards to graduating this density?
could you point out some passage or direction?

It sounds like you were prepped to receive a download of information! It could have come from "outside" (another entity or group of entities), or it could have come from "inside" (your own soul or higher self). Did you consciously tell it not yet? When you say in regards to graduating, do you mean you feel like it might be a prerequisite for graduating for you to receive that gift? If so, put your fears aside... There's no magical necessity for graduation.

16.37 Questioner: I am assuming that it is not necessary for an individual to understand the Law of One to go from the third to the fourth density. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. It is absolutely necessary that an entity consciously realize it does not understand in order for it to be harvestable. Understanding is not of this density.

Welcome to the forums!!!

thanks c:

I don't believe it was a fearful response, I think it was just my automatic reaction (maybe those are the same). I guess I should just learn to be more open to receive..
Also in regards to what I asked about graduating, I am trying to understanding more of what that might mean or how to relate to it via my life's experience

I assumed that it was an angel or a higher guide yes C:
I feel like I've encountered similar if not different moments like this where I've received an opportunity for something and then rejected it or said 'no I want to stay' even though consciously I tell myself I want to get out of here!! I feel very much like a control freak or something

However I do recognize that I'm constantly receiving information, I just don't handle the big light shows very well lol

ps what do you mean by 'magical necessity for graduation'?

[Liet]

The only thing the root chakra makes you do is other people. Ok but really, if you have two people experiencing mutual red ray activation with eachother, there's no doing in that action besides the physical activity. It's all self-contained within the entities. They were born with the ability and they'll take it to the grave. They're just experiencing eachothers' beingness. Am I making any sense here? Are we still in merc retrograde? lol...

Now with Liet's post, I've heard it said that cannabis both hinders and helps the opening of the third eye/brow. I can say that in my experience, it most definitely helps to throw it wide open, like Azrael mentioned at one point. (different thread, I think)

Weed differs in psycadelic properties widely from strain to strain. But all those which i have tried in the past killed my dreaming for a week... getting ones dreaming shut off should be enough reason for anyone to ditch weed imo..
Sure the pineal gland and brow/forehead are not the same... they are separated, but only in the same manner the heart and root are separated, aka not much at all.

Many within the "new age group" seem to make the mistake of horribly underrating the root chakra (so i'm gona give a few reasons not to deny the root)..
It doesnt make you "do" other people, its more likely to prevent you from moving towards random sexual activity. (prevents one from acting on impulse before thinking it through)

Depending on how energetic the root chakra is, it automaticaly yields the feet, navel, heart and (passive)crown chakra as if they were one and the same.
trees basicaly consists of a root chakra in that sense.

Root; red, as being the first color of the spectrum is your connection to where it all began, therefore it ought to be understandable that it is what makes you maleable and have that feel of youth coarsing through your veins.

it renews you, makes you crave renewal (makes sure that you dont get stuck on repeat, always something new going on in your mind), makes it easier for you to relax...
thus is the solution for beating addictions and makes you recover from chashes/depressions faster.

the root chakra is vital... the others arent.
the heart and throat are two good ideas.
the brow/forehead/pineal and plexus are awesome.

and the navel is what everything is built around... average color of the universe is "bright orange".

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However I do recognize that I'm constantly receiving information, I just don't handle the big light shows very well lol

To revieve these "downloads" of information you need a strong upper spectrum...
The lower spectrum is what aids you in organizing and processing it.

Nobody sais you have to chose just one of the extremes, pick both.

[isis]

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[Sagittarius]

I have found it as an extremely useful and important tool in my journey so far. I smoke every night before bed. My routine is usually such that I will meditate while sober beforehand, then smoke some then meditate again. Like the OP I find pot increases your energy levels and chakra's greatly. Not for everyone however but that's alright each to his own.

i haven't had mj in 5 days...1st tolerance break for me in a while. i plan on picking it up again starting on my bday which is 1/25 for the fun of it. it will make the day super special bc of taking such a long break.

There is no need for abstinence if it doesn't "resonate" moderation is key. Continual use will mess with your time/space reference.

Fearing smoking sounds like a blockage as well as loving it. Indifference combined with spontaneity. See it for what it is, a different lens in the current moment nothing more and nothing less.

[zenmaster]

I have found it as an extremely useful and important tool in my journey so far. I smoke every night before bed. My routine is usually such that I will meditate while sober beforehand, then smoke some then meditate again. Like the OP I find pot increases your energy levels and chakra's greatly. Not for everyone however but that's alright each to his own.

i haven't had mj in 5 days...1st tolerance break for me in a while. i plan on picking it up again starting on my bday which is 1/25 for the fun of it. it will make the day super special bc of taking such a long break.

There is no need for abstinence if it doesn't "resonate" moderation is key. Continual use will mess with your time/space reference.

Fearing smoking sounds like a blockage as well as loving it. Indifference combined with spontaneity. See it for what it is, a different lens in the current moment nothing more and nothing less.

In other words, I have nothing to offer on the subject

[Sagittarius]

I have found it as an extremely useful and important tool in my journey so far. I smoke every night before bed. My routine is usually such that I will meditate while sober beforehand, then smoke some then meditate again. Like the OP I find pot increases your energy levels and chakra's greatly. Not for everyone however but that's alright each to his own.

i haven't had mj in 5 days...1st tolerance break for me in a while. i plan on picking it up again starting on my bday which is 1/25 for the fun of it. it will make the day super special bc of taking such a long break.

There is no need for abstinence if it doesn't "resonate" moderation is key. Continual use will mess with your time/space reference.

Fearing smoking sounds like a blockage as well as loving it. Indifference combined with spontaneity. See it for what it is, a different lens in the current moment nothing more and nothing less.

In other words, I have nothing to offer on the subject

Yes.

[Brittany]

I did pot once and realized it just mirrored the states I can enter through focus alone. I have no strong opinions on marijuana, but I think many people end up using it as a crutch, never realizing that such effects are easily attainable without the ingestion of outside substances.

[Aloysius]

I "used" pot lol (and a variety of other drugs) everyday for years before and after finding the Ra material.

One thing I've noticed with people who start smoking weed after they've become "spiritually orientated" is that they often think it's enabling spiritual function to a high degree when in actuality they're just in a more suggestible state and using their intuition as a drug lol.

This talk of "strains"...most naturally grown stuff is a hybrid of sativa and indica, there are explicit reasons for this but I don't want to breach forum guidelines
It should be on the net if you're interested.

[Hototo]

Aren't any physical chemical changes that bring about internal spiritual changes designed primarily to ease transition between borders and to avoid causing unneccesary harm and hardship onto others as might otherwise be caused by a lack of preparation.

Aka, you drink coffee when you want to transition to work, you smoke weed when you want to transition to rest, you eat food when you want to transition to fullness and so forth.

[Aloysius]

I would say it could bring about spiritual changes but so could ketamine, meth and MDMA etc. but they are not inherently "spiritual", it depends on how the individual deals with the new frame.

I don't really see what transition to avoid harm to others PCP would enable lol
I've seen plenty of harm come to others by people who were high on weed.

Then again, I may be missing your point...

[isis]

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[Fastidious Emanations]

^^ notice how those could be viewed as alien eyes, or void? look at that compression spiral...
I use cannabis as a dampening aid for energies, as a daily.
I plan to be working towards a more ritualistic approach of using for energy activation/circulation/release.
I am sometimes working on the ability to 'dispell' negative effects instantly, ei getting way too high then intently and with MUCH will instantly releasing the system from "Genjutsu". I use the keyword Release!, like in Naruto. Very fun to test ability but a huge waste of money hahaha. Also the chemical lapses worsen with this type of work..
Memory is interesting to study, as is imagination.
I probably smoke more than Terrence Mckenna did lol.

Yeah, though planning to take break soon, planning, planning, scheming..
I should mention that I dream completely lucidly while off weed. And that I have experienced much warnings about the continued use of such.
I remember specifically this day last summer I was out for a walk in the woods, just smoked a bunch and was in a state of lowest energy, low comprehension, blurry vision, racing heartbeat when I remembered that I was re-living exactly the events of a dream from a couple months prior.
Also the other day I spoke alone out of thin air to myself, "you cannot contact spirit guides while using that", as I looked longingly at the packed pipe.

choices...

[Hototo]

True, because they refer to guides in plural, You can only contact the spirit guide, singular, when you smoke. Its a choice.

[AnthroHeart]

Those who smoke, do you feel you have less control or more control over your body and mind when you do? I've smoked it twice and felt like I had less control over my mind. It also made some dubstep dancing video look freaky to me.

[Bat]

I have smoked it for 7 years, although very rarely now. I guess its about how you feel about yourself, if you just let the experience flow, there isn't a need for control to begin with.

[isis]

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[Rhayader]

Most nights I take it to 'relax'. It certainly calms the mind and puts me in somewhat happier state. Also helps me sleep too sometimes. As a meditative state, it has helped me open my mind and thought forms regarding the universe etc, and as truesimultaneity said above great ideas which for now I couldn't really achieve. Also a great stillness and connectedness. I think as someone else said, I still have bit fear so never been really too high since i've only really done it alone. I feel I have much more control over the mind, but knowing at the same time its at the expense of control of the body.

[Parsons]

I've had an interesting relationship with Marijuana. I began vaporizing it after obtaining a medical marijuana card not long before my awakening.

The herb was instrumental in opening my mind to new possibilities. It motivated me to seek beyond what I already knew. I stumbled on the LOO after an inspirational google search while under the influence of the substance.

Since then I have used the substance for a variety of different reasons. It has certainly been helpful in further seeking; especially sativas (vs indicas). It also has been a great aid to relieving stress and treating the symptoms of depression. I also use it as a sleep aid and for relieving ocular pressure and general pain.

However, over the past year or so, I have realized it is now at the level of being a crutch or training wheels. Every effect I originally found useful can now be attained without the need of the substance.

Before there were dispensaries, I grew a fairly large quantity (near the legal limit) of the flower for myself. The several month process of growing it was a rewarding experience. I conducted an experiment where I attempted to pour love and appreciation into the plants every time I cared for them, which was also rewarding.

For the above and other obvious reasons, I will stop using the substance when I run out. Additionally, I am quitting due to having to pay 10x as much to buy from a dispensary than to grow it myself, which is now illegal due to having a dispensary within 25 miles of my location.

I have been working on communing with the 'spirit' of marijuana in preparation of quitting the use of the herb, as that concept resonates with me. I also plan on reserving the 45-60mins I spent outdoors nightly to meditate, exercise, and/or enjoy the stars.

Overall, I found the experiences I had extremely rewarding. Your mileage will undoubtedly vary, as I know people who don't enjoy/find the herb helpful whatsoever after sampling it. It is for this reason (and of course the forum guidelines) that I can't recommend or dissuade anyone from trying it.

[AnthroHeart]

I didn't like it the time I tried it. It made a dubstep video of someone dancing look blocky and pixelated and freaky.
Is it normal to have visual hallucinations on weed?

Note, this was during a time I was off my meds, so I have had visual hallucinations anyway. In the future after I retire I might try again when I can be at more leisure. I'm curious about if I'm on my meds properly, how I would normally react.

[Parsons]

I have never had visual hallucinations on or off any substance, even when I took too large of a dose of DMT + syrian rue.

[AnthroHeart]

Oh I had amazing visuals on DMT smoked. I took Tetrahydroharmine under the tongue for 15 mins before smoking the DMT. I saw a lot of sacred geometry, and clowns. I even saw Bolt (from Disney) once when I was having an episode. He looked electric and he was visibly upset, barking at me. I used to really admire Bolt, and was expecting to see him in hyperspace.

I've been to hyperspace. I once saw the dashboard of a UFO from outside of a planet when I was there. You can search Google for "DMT hyperspace" for visuals of what it's like. Never saw the machine elves though.
One time it felt like I was levitating, while lying down and I was floating. And the beings there were telling me not to freak out, and do not give way to amazement. It was hard not to give way to awe.

I don't think I'll be able to do DMT again, because of the mental condition I'm in. I don't know if DMT created my schizophrenia, or if it was the result of negative greeting when I was seeking Ra. Because I did DMT around the time I learned of Ra.

[Sagittarius]

Nothing can really be said about that would be useful. At least in reference out or before the moment.

[AnthroHeart]

I read this info here, that helps to comfort me that DMT probably wasn't the cause of my schizophrenia.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?...858AA5GESs

I may have been predisposed to it. DMT (especially when taken orally via adding a couple of other components) certainly opened the doors to some psychic experiences. A friend of mine tried it with me, and it certainly takes away the veil, and you realize your connection to the Universe. And you feel the unconditional love of everything.

MJ never gave me that. But DMT is much more potent. If I smoked enough MJ, I might have a psychic experience. The spice in oral form was my favorite experience. Never had a bad trip, although I was on the edge of not freaking out from excitement.

[Sagittarius]

On the edge of the line. That's the only place to be.

[Fastidious Emanations]

sleep deprived

[Sagittarius]

sleep deprived

Sleep satiated.