So I will be taking on complete trance channeling...

[Adonai One]

I raise an eyebrow at the notion that applying for contact is like applying to become a high-ranking member of the Vatican.

On top of that, there would need to be at least one (possibly two) Ra wanderer(s) in the group.

This is so completely unfounded. Even this is an unconfirmed theory.

Humans are so attracted to arbritary forms of etiquette.

[xise]

Bump to fix the hidden post bug.

[βαθμιαίος]

Bump to fix the hidden post bug.

Re-bump for same reason.

[Parsons]

I'm not implying this has anything to do with etiquette or ceremony. This is similar to physics in that [there] are metaphysics governing 'channeling' higher level entities. The Ra material supports the use of physical technology in being able to even achieve actual contact. The slightest wrinkle in a sheet or non-virgin physical device such as the chalice would detrimentally affect the contact. Ra referred to the contact as 'narrowband', sounding more reminiscent of receiving a very weak radio signal.

Who's to say that the contact isn't governed by metaphysical criteria on the other end? What if a 3 person channeling group can only channel a social memory complex they are a member of?

These are questions I would love to have asked a 6th density entity such as Ra. This is why I would love to have someone responsibly channel Ra again during my lifetime. But judging by the first contact, it is risky physically and metaphysically. I would rather wait 50 years or never see it my entire lifetime if the opposite means seeing someone I care for seriously injured or worse in the attempt.

[Adonai One]

I don't believe additional people serve a purpose more than 1) aiding the intent of protection and 2) acting as a battery to fuel the channel. The latter becomes less integral depending on the health and vitality of the channel. The former can be compensated in various other ways.

[Aloysius]

What I've seen a lot of lately is the conceptual separation of Ra from the Ra material, in the same way people unconsciously conceptually separate time from space using clocks. This separation often makes people to focus on Ra as an individual source of wisdom, a friend who drew them out of darkness or whatever and wish to seek them personally so they can validate their beliefs and/or other motivations. The "Ra" of the Ra material is Ra/Don/Carla/Jim.

Also, It's not the intent behind the protection that should be ramped it's the actual protection lol.

Though I too agree that being a Ra wanderer has little to nothing to do with the channeling.

Now I'm not saying Ra can't be channeled again, but Don and Carla had been involved with channeling circles for almost a decade before the Ra contact, you do not have this experience. Consider these

We will exercise each channel if we are able to. The reception of our beam is a somewhat more advanced feat than some of the more broad vibration channels opened by other members for more introductory and intermediate work.

Ra: I am Ra. This group, as all positive channels and supporting groups, is a greatly high priority with the Orion group.

[Adonai One]

Aloysius, you do realize Ra removed the spirit of Carla to use her body?

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This could very well be crap but I have been getting this consistent message. Anyways, again, it could very well be a load of crap. This is what I am going off. My initial contact with stating the intention to learn through channeling gave me a huge wave of love going down my body, an intense energy.

This is why I have little fear.

Are there any dangers in the channeling I wish to pursue?

There are no significant dangers at this time. You will encounter an ease into the work you wish to pursue with us, this is because you do have the required prerequisital knowledge to contact us. We will ease you into the trance state you desire.

Is the previous channeling correct?

We are Ra. We hear you. We are with you. This is correct.

Will I be able to channel information to the extent I desire?

You will be able to channel most of what you desire. We understand your intentions and we wish to aid you as much as we can.

[Aloysius]

Aloysius, you do realize Ra removed the spirit of Carla to use her body?

Yes.... things are not always so simple my friend.
The Ra/Don/Carla/Jim split isn't equally divided, it's mainly Ra and Don but I can't go discounting the others as the combination of all of them forms the "colour chip" that allowed the contact.

I'll return later for the rest of your points.

[Parsons]

Thats exactly what I am saying you are lacking. You need "batteries" and "protectors" that you need to be in an extremely high level of harmony with. There is no possible way you have achieved that with anyone besides Vervex that can aid you in person for a trance-channeling.

I will admit the questioner and the instrument are the core of the operation, but I think the "scribe" as Ra referred to Jim as equally critical to that particular level of contact.

You already have two of the prerequisite three for this type of contact. Why follow not in the footsteps of L/L Research and try non-trance channeling first for at least a few months until you can find a 3rd person you can harmonize with?

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Also, I just can't ignore this since it is something we had in common. For about a year after I awoke, I wanted to be questioner of Ra so I could clarify things but ultimately it was about proving my own faith. I would like to re-emphasize: I wanted PROOF for faith. It wasn't until after I got over the need for that proof that I finally realized that is what I was looking for. I now know that proof will never come while I am here in 3rd density. There is a chance for confirmation but that is only after someone has complete and utter knowing in something, making proof completely unnecessary.

If it's true what you said that you don't in any way need proof, then that's fine. But at the time, I wasn't being completely honest with myself and thought "proof would be nice, but is not really necessary." You stated something so nearly identical as what I thought at the time, I can't help but wonder. You're words are nearly verbatim my own thoughts at the time:

Faith is not a huge factor here beyond it enabling the contact. My main motive is the desire for more wisdom.

I believe and disbelieve. I have gotten over most of my hunger for proof although it would be nice.

In other words, Tanner, I am not attached to the idea of contact proving things for me. Although it would be nice.

I am not calling you a liar by any means, I could be completely wrong about this / projecting my 'past self' on you. And quite frankly, I can't know your innermost feelings about this. But if the motivation is at all there for proof when making contact, Ra spoke pretty clearly about proof:

Questioner: Is it possible for an entity here on Earth to be so confused as to call both the Confederation and the Orion group in [an] alternating way, one, then the other, [inaudible] back to [inaudible]?

Ra: I am Ra. It is entirely possible for the untuned channel, as you call that service, to receive both positive and negative communications. If the entity at the base of its confusion is oriented towards service to others, the entity will begin to receive messages of doom. If the entity at the base of the complex of beingness is oriented towards service to self, the crusaders, who in this case, do not find it necessary to lie, will simply begin to give the philosophy they are here to give. Many of your so-called contacts among your people have been confused and self-destructive because the channels were oriented towards service to others but, in the desire for proof, were open to the lying information of the crusaders who then were able to neutralize the effectiveness of the channel.

[Hototo]

Questioner: Is it possible for an entity here on Earth to be so confused as to call both the Confederation and the Orion group in [an] alternating way, one, then the other, [inaudible] back to [inaudible]?

Ra: I am Ra. It is entirely possible for the untuned channel, as you call that service, to receive both positive and negative communications. If the entity at the base of its confusion is oriented towards service to others, the entity will begin to receive messages of doom. If the entity at the base of the complex of beingness is oriented towards service to self, the crusaders, who in this case, do not find it necessary to lie, will simply begin to give the philosophy they are here to give. Many of your so-called contacts among your people have been confused and self-destructive because the channels were oriented towards service to others but, in the desire for proof, were open to the lying information of the crusaders who then were able to neutralize the effectiveness of the channel.

How can you have proof that someone is not out to harm you? You cant, and the act of seeking proof will energize their actions of harming you.

A: "I'm not out to harm you"
B: "I'll prove you're lying about that"
A: "How?"
B: "Either by presenting you opportunities to attack and expecting you to not attack and at the same time to protect me from others who would use that opportunity to attack me and then I could blame it on you, thus making you either evil or forcing you to protect me, or, provoking you enough that you would harm me."
A: "Now that's not exactly fair."
B: "That's why we call it bidding process. Your move"

the rest being history.

You cant have proof positive that Ra exists nor can you have proof positive that Ra / Confederation isn't out to harm you. Trying to do so will cause the above example in my world view. Far as I can tell.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whNDMnr17yM

[Guardian]

Good luck Adonai, I am eager to hear how it goes.

[βαθμιαίος]

Why the rush to trance channel? Why not channel consciously for a decade or two first? As Aloysius said, Don and Carla had been involved with channeling for a long time before the Ra contact began (since 1962, I believe). Also, I agree about Jim's importance. The Ra contact didn't begin until he showed up in Louisville, even though Don and Carla had been channeling for many years before that.

[Adonai One]

I need original information on the archetypes, Earth's history, magical principles, polarity and cosmology. Concious channeling has helped me with the archetypes and my past lives. Everything else has been terrible, very terrible.

I also hunger for more knowledge on the nature of the universe's dimensions and how they interact.

I cannot get any great detail translating impressions. Looking at the Q'uo channelings, I don't think anyone can. It's either trance or nothing for in-depth stuff.

[michael430]

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[Ashim]

I need original information on the archetypes, Earth's history, magical principles, polarity and cosmology. Concious channeling has helped me with the archetypes and my past lives. Everything else has been terrible, very terrible.

I also hunger for more knowledge on the nature of the universe's dimensions and how they interact.

I cannot get any great detail translating impressions. Looking at the Q'uo channelings, I don't think anyone can. It's either trance or nothing for in-depth stuff.

Would you care to share with us your method of entering the trance state?
How long have you been 'fine tuning' this method ?
Are you aware of what must be done during a negative greeting?

Remember when you open yourself up to the cosmos it's a free for all.

I say this having almost had the lifeforce sucked out of me on 2 occasions.
I was prepared and knew what to do.
Do you?

[AnthroHeart]

I can't get into a deep trance state, even under hypnosis. So for me there's never been danger of having my life force sucked out.

[Ashim]

I can't get into a deep trance state, even under hypnosis. So for me there's never been danger of having my life force sucked out.

Believe me I have balls the size of Saturn but these experiences scared the s*** out of me.
It was part of the learning process that lead to some very dark energies being introduced into my field.
There comes a stage where the negativity must be internalized or integrated in order to progress.
This can take a toll on your physical and mental well being even if you have prepared and are aware of what is going on.
This is nothing to be doing 'willy nilly' or because you feel you 'need' some information.

[michael430]

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[βαθμιαίος]

Believe me I have balls the size of Saturn

Do the rings chafe your thighs?

[Ashim]

Believe me I have balls the size of Saturn

PIC or it didn't happen!

Believe me I have balls the size of Saturn

Do the rings chafe your thighs?

Not possible and no.
It's an 8th density scrotum.

[Unbound]

Holy LOL aha

[jivatman]

Many good points have been made here.

1. I don't think you're in much danger. You're not a naive dilettante doing this for kicks.
2. I wholeheartedly second Not-sure.

I would add, I don't think it's proper to enter a channeling with a specific entity to contact, but rather that you simply have the attitude of service in love and light to the fullest extent possible, and the highest, most appropriate entity to you will be there.

It is really, best to abandon naming and labeling entirely and take them into the heart of yourself without precondition. Ra is fairly stern about this "If one wishes to have power over an entity it is an aid to know that entity’s name. If one wishes no power over an entity but wishes to collect that entity into the very heart of one’s own being it is well to forget the naming. Both processes are magically viable. Each is polarized in a specific way. It is your choice."

I also second others who have noted that Carla, Jim, and Don had already had over a decade regular channeling experience before they could contact Ra - look at the transcripts.

[Fastidious Emanations]

IMO the Ra material explains that the most efficacious means of learn/teaching is through the Self/Higher Self as there is no finer example to become attuned with than all that will become..?

[Adonai One]

"I need" - sir, you've got a huge amount of EGO that is going to cloud any attempt at channeling, meditation, or prayer. As someone who believes in this channeling and Ra stuff - you ought to know that the real YOU already knows the answer to every question you seek. It is your ego that is starving for "knowledge"

You are being tested. You need faith and you need to learn lessons in a different way. You are here in 3D for a reason. Use your 3D eyes to see what's in front of you!

I am here to do whatever the heck I please.

[michael430]

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[Aloysius]

I need original information on the archetypes, Earth's history, magical principles, polarity and cosmology. Concious channeling has helped me with the archetypes and my past lives. Everything else has been terrible, very terrible.

I also hunger for more knowledge on the nature of the universe's dimensions and how they interact.

I cannot get any great detail translating impressions. Looking at the Q'uo channelings, I don't think anyone can. It's either trance or nothing for in-depth stuff.

No you don't lol. You don't "need" this stuff you just want it so badly you elevate its importance to you. One thing I always seem to get from you man is absolutism; "I need...", "It's either higher dimensional aliens or complete crap" (in regards to your internal dialogue you posted earlier). It's absolutism that will hold you back in life, it's regression of awareness. Human beings have finally got to the point where we don't see things in "black and white" anymore (for the most part lol).

You seem to overvalue the metaphysical in relation to the physical this could be imbalance in the three lower rays and over working the upper three(I dunno that's not my "field"). If you keep reaching for what is beyond you, you will become blind to what is around you. Also your reach will exceed your grasp no matter much you know, it's the inescapable human condition.

If you want to learn about dimensions I suggest studying mathematics and science to a level where you can contribute to the pool of academic human knowledge rather than hoping aliens will give you knowledge that will put you "ahead" of people dedicating their lives to that endeavour.


Anyways, I understand the feeling of unquenchable thirst, it's something I have had to deal with and still do to a degree. But, if the motivation and thirst is for wisdom.....well you can't really give someone wisdom, you can only unlock doors for them to open on their own. No one can "make" you wise, it's something you have to do for yourself and you don't need to channel (AKA putting your life on the line) to do it lol.

Now, all that being said I am not entirely against your wishes, I just think you should take at least a few years to practice and maybe before that a few months break from metaphysical concern (let your mind settle), this is just advice.

Life doesn't need to be an "all or nothing" deal, your 3rd Density, learning from 3rd density life can be a lot of fun

Adieu

[Parsons]

I don't think there is anything wrong with pursuing the meta physical as long as you don't forger you're living in the physical. I also don't feel one should forgo pursuing the metaphysical in favor of memorizing a physical science that may or may not have serious misconceptions.

[Adonai One]

Metaphysics are physics. In reality, they are one and the same.

This "physical" reality is just as divine and supernatural as everything else.

[Aloysius]

Metaphysics are physics, in reality, are one and the same.

This "physical" reality is just as divine and supernatural as everything else.

Yes, all is one, I wonder where I've heard that before....lol

I don't think there is anything wrong with pursuing the meta physical as long as you don't forger you're living in the physical. I also don't feel one should forgo pursuing the metaphysical in favor of memorizing a physical science that may or may not have serious misconceptions.

I understand this Parsman. If you restrict yourself to one then you're only playing with half a deck. Perhaps one should strive for balance?

Now, as for science. I'll agree that science is correct in the context of science like winter being due to Persephone descending to Hade's domain is correct in the context of Greek mythology, however science is the myth of the modern man. I don't mean it's not "real" or whatever it's just how we interpret the world around us at the moment.

To "transcend" the modern state of science we must understand it and build on it and repair it, rather than just reject it as "flawed".

[Adonai One]

I like to think there are civilizations that have been revamped in mind, body and spirit in mere days due to a few intellectual sparks made by daring and revolutionary individuals.

Things don't have to be gradual.