The mystery that perplexes me the most...

[AnthroHeart]

I find it fascinating that even time/space is an illusion. One thing that probably was considered when increasingly intelligent patterns were forming. Everything moves away from what is more painful, and toward what is less painful. This is probably part of the previous Octave. When Ra says universes were not yet born, they might be referring to this Octave. It's interesting it was all built upon a paradox.

It appears that timelessness of an imaginable nature is the time it takes for all of Creation to once again return to Creator. This is timeless because new creations are being created all the time. There is still 1st density material. I found a term once called Absolutum which is a larger Universe that our Universe is part of. There are 10 with 49 zeros after it universes within this Absolutum according to Pleiadian technology. So it appears there's enough to where we will each get our own Universe, possibly when we complete the Octave.

[Diana]

What main factor makes "physical" incarnation the main preferred realm of existence over the inner planes aka the afterlife? What prevents the inner planes from being as enticing as a place to live in?

This is a supposition. It may not be the "preferred" realm. It may be that it is one choice, which seems efficacious to the individual soul or group and its evolutionary parameters within the huge "soup" of existence.

And I will add that everything Ra, or any other being or group of beings, has said through an instrument here, is still an opinion or working theory based on their own level of awareness, aside from the distortions of the instrument's filtering lenses.

[Hototo]

Reading threads like these I so wish I could explain in plain english how I visualize the octaves /creation forming out of nothingness as I "wake up" and how it has a potential theory to explain how the octaves/reality is formed.

I'll try and see how it goes;

Ya'll look like fuzzy balls of electrical probability fields circling in nothingness from the dance of which all creation rises but not just from its dance becuase what ever the dance it is always its dance, and it could be any dance.

See not very good, Working on it

[AnthroHeart]

What perplexes me the most about Creator is how it can handle all the agony of Creation, and still desire more. It's agony, along with its pleasure keeps on increasing. This concerns me as we merge with Creator at 7D, will we have to experience the agony within Infinity as well?

[anagogy]

I find it fascinating that even time/space is an illusion. One thing that probably was considered when increasingly intelligent patterns were forming. Everything moves away from what is more painful, and toward what is less painful. This is probably part of the previous Octave. When Ra says universes were not yet born, they might be referring to this Octave. It's interesting it was all built upon a paradox.

It appears that timelessness of an imaginable nature is the time it takes for all of Creation to once again return to Creator. This is timeless because new creations are being created all the time. There is still 1st density material. I found a term once called Absolutum which is a larger Universe that our Universe is part of. There are 10 with 49 zeros after it universes within this Absolutum according to Pleiadian technology. So it appears there's enough to where we will each get our own Universe, possibly when we complete the Octave.

Time is a measure of change. If there were no change, you could not perceive any passage of time. The underlying base of all existence is absolutely changeless and thus, sits completely outside of time, and is eternal. There is no resistance, or distortion, there. That is intelligent infinity. You could describe it as perfect joy, perfect love, perfect peace, but these real attributes of the absolute can only be "known" against the backdrop of the relative reality. So, there is a kind of mutually sustaining dialect there, between relative and absolute reality.

What perplexes me the most about Creator is how it can handle all the agony of Creation, and still desire more. It's agony, along with its pleasure keeps on increasing. This concerns me as we merge with Creator at 7D, will we have to experience the agony within Infinity as well?

The agony, as you call it, can only be experienced in the relativity of illusory separation. In unity, there can be no suffering. You suffer when you desire things to be different from how they are. So pain extends from desire. Or rather, it extends from desire that we are not vibrationally up to speed with. Desires extend from separation. You only desire, because you believe you are not complete. You believe in separation. We all do. So all manner of desires are born, but they are all disguised desires for completion, no matter what they are.

The world of comparisons (relativity) is a double edged sword. You can feel the greatest exhilaration, and also the greatest suffering. It all depends on what is being compared to what.

Sometimes not remembering is a blessing. Remembering higher densities could make trudging through a slower vibration quite difficult by comparison. Yet without those memories, we might be able to appreciate the beauty this world has to offer more. Then again, remembering sometimes gives us strength. There is an exception to every rule.

[Fastidious Emanations]

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This is why I forget so much things. So I can make those same epitomes over and over. OH YEAHHH!!!! It's all IT!! We're doing IT, We made THIS for Us!!!

[AnthroHeart]

The agony, as you call it, can only be experienced in the relativity of illusory separation. In unity, there can be no suffering. You suffer when you desire things to be different from how they are. So pain extends from desire. Or rather, it extends from desire that we are not vibrationally up to speed with. Desires extend from separation. You only desire, because you believe you are not complete. You believe in separation. We all do. So all manner of desires are born, but they are all disguised desires for completion, no matter what they are.

So Ra does not experience agony or pain, since they are in the unity density? They do have desires, which are to still their distortions to move closer to Creator. So it appears that in early 6D there is still separation. It makes me wonder how Creator experiences when a person is tortured. Is Creator fully aware of this, but it does not cause it suffering because it's in Unity? I live my life to experience the minimal amount of pain and suffering that I can. I think we all want to move away from what causes pain, and toward what brings joy. Lately, I've had some emotional/mental pain. This wasn't based on desire, but it was caused through a separation between me and other selves.

[anagogy]

So Ra does not experience agony or pain, since they are in the unity density? They do have desires, which are to still their distortions to move closer to Creator. So it appears that in early 6D there is still separation. It makes me wonder how Creator experiences when a person is tortured. Is Creator fully aware of this, but it does not cause it suffering because it's in Unity? I live my life to experience the minimal amount of pain and suffering that I can. I think we all want to move away from what causes pain, and toward what brings joy.

The creator is aware of everything, in my opinion, but it doesn't experience pain as aversive. It's just another sensation. And yes, there is still separation in 6D. Ra experiences contrast still, though, in my opinion it wouldn't even register on our 3rd density scales if we were to feel it. They are the brother and sisters of sorrow though, and they are aware of what we experience and how it affects us. Even though its called the density of unity, it is only the unity of polarities, not absolute unity.

Lately, I've had some emotional/mental pain. This wasn't based on desire, but it was caused through a separation between me and other selves.

But why would separation from other selves cause you pain, unless you desired it to be otherwise? And then the next logical question would be: why do you desire unification with other selves? Completion perhaps?

[AnthroHeart]

But why would separation from other selves cause you pain, unless you desired it to be otherwise? And then the next logical question would be: why do you desire unification with other selves? Completion perhaps?

I felt separation because it was my mom who attempted to shoplift, and got caught in the store. I was with her, so I saw an argument break out between her and the store manager. The manager also came down on me. She's done it before because she can't afford very much on her limited income. I have no choice but to be with her, since I'm her ride. I ended up having to pay for the merchandise.

It is separation because I don't feel the same about shoplifting as she does. She's willing to do it, I am not. So I desired unity that I would be surrounded by people who see the same way that I do. But there is variety in human expression, so they wouldn't have to be exactly like me. In either case we've both learned our lesson and it won't happen again. I'll confront her next time she decides to try that.

[anagogy]

I felt separation because it was my mom who attempted to shoplift, and got caught in the store. I was with her, so I saw an argument break out between her and the store manager. The manager also came down on me. She's done it before because she can't afford very much on her limited income. I have no choice but to be with her, since I'm her ride. I ended up having to pay for the merchandise.

It is separation because I don't feel the same about shoplifting as she does. She's willing to do it, I am not. So I desired unity that I would be surrounded by people who see the same way that I do. But there is variety in human expression, so they wouldn't have to be exactly like me. In either case we've both learned our lesson and it won't happen again. I'll confront her next time she decides to try that.

I can see how that would be a very stressful situation. I've been in similar situations, and you have my condolences.

The best way I've found to manifest or attract the reflection or experience of unity in day to day life is to continuously find aspects of other individuals that are similar to me. It is kind of similar to Ra's process of seeing the Creator in yourself, and others, at all times. When you notice these details of others, they become a more dominant vibrational offering within you, and it naturally attracts people that think similarly to you, and also brings out those aspects in people you didn't previously think saw similarly to you. It tends to pave the way for harmony.

Best of luck.