the truth is we all deserve a happy life

[norral]

the truth is is that every human being on this planet deserves a happy life. perfect health, perfect peace, freedom from want or need. what has happened here is that that particular truth has been lost and a lie has been propagated. the lie being that some are elite, that they deserve huge amounts of resources, and that the rest of us should serve them as their slaves i TOTALLY TOTALLY reject that idea.
by virtue of being born we deserve a good life, a secure life, a life where we get a chance to develop our potential and our ability to serve. each one of us comes here with a gift. the elites want to hijack that gift and use it to enrich and empower themselves. that is the great lie of this planet. like i said i totally reject it. the truth is if every souls was in service to every other soul we would eliminate wealth and poverty, we would eliminate wars and conflicts. we would essentially create a heaven here on earth. now this idea is totally alien as far as this world goes but i dont really care ha ha. this world that we live in is totally alien as far as i am concerned. my values are about compassion, cooperation and caring . that is who i am and that is what i represent.

norral

[Jeremy]

I completely agree with you but the type of world that we imagine won't ever become a reality in this density. For starters, it definitely is a cruel and harsh truth but without such injustices, malevolency, wars, prejudice, greed, materialism, etc, we would have never had to incarnate here if we are all in fact wanderers. This world simply wouldn't need us.

If we are not wanderers, then again, these harsh truths are necessary truths to allow the evolution towards graduation to the world we both imagine. A world where such triviality as greed, judgement, prejudice, exist. It is sometimes difficult to exist in such a society where it seems like its reverse day everyday. Things such as humility, empathy, compassion, love, and acceptance are looked at as negative or weak qualities in a world that measures ones worth by how much money one makes or how big their house is despite the fact that they never spend time with their family or their complete breakdown of integrity/principles to get to that level of financial worth.

There is simply nothing that can be done in this density that will change this. At least not on a global scale. It was never meant to happen. It's meant to suck. To be difficult, to be uncomfortable. Sure there will be some happiness, some joy. But we all must face those difficult choices and boy do they become difficult the further you travel on this rocky road.

I wish more than anything to see a world like you imagine but I also realize that there is no use in getting upset or becoming downtrodden over the realization that it won't happen. I will do my best to show people the smile as they pass, give them the answer they may not want to hear but need to, seeing them as myself and as the creator and slowly work my way along this rocky path. Slipping here and there. Resting in the desert as they say then reenergizing myself from the spiritual oasis and keep on keepin on

[norral]

good words my brother. i look at it as i am not going to get overly concerned about what is going on. most of what goes on i have no control over. but i will attempt to make myself a positive force for good and let the chips fall where they may.

norral

[Ruth]

I believe we do ourselves an injustice when we blame our plight on "the elite" who would enslave us. I have known several extremely wealthy people (as in top 100 richest in America). I have found that more often than not, those people (especially the ones who are self made and didn't inherit) have all of those wonderful qualities Xradfl mentions: "Things such as humility, empathy, compassion, love, and acceptance . . . " These men and women have to a person actually asked my advice on how they might be of greater service to the world. I have seen them work, sleeves rolled up, to serve their less fortunate brothers and sisters.

I have also personally known some of those who are "downtrodden." Those who believe that because of the life they were born in to they are somehow entitled to more, more, more. I am, in fact, related to a couple of these type of people. I actually had a relative - one I love very dearly - tell me she shouldn't have to work because her Dad told her that "Aunt Ruth is made of money, she should support you." Now that couldn't be further from the truth. I have, indeed, been able to make a decent living for myself and my family. But I have also lived out of my car, with my son, until I could get the money together to get us a place to live. I've never felt that anyone owed me anything at all.

And how about the person who felt that since I was on vacation, it was their RIGHT to enter my home and take everything of value they could carry out? Don't you think that person considers me their slave?

At the same time, I do agree that there is a great big negative force working to enslave us. I just don't think that you can judge an individuals soul or motivation by their level of "wealth" and that lumping them all together is a dangerous exercise.

I'm also not sure that things get a great deal easier as we move through the densities. It will still be hard work for us even when the veil is lifted. Ra visiting us was hard work for them.

[norral]

i am mainly but not exclusively talking about the financial elites, those from wall street and the banking industry. like the head of goldman sachs . im not really talking so much about the self made people usually they have earned their position in life and hopefully have compassion for their fellow man. the games that i see played on wall street and stunning to say the least. and of course not every person without means is a saint. but i have a problem with 8 year old kids in south america spraying pesticides on crops that are then sold into america. there are many who are victims of grinding poverty with absolutely no chance to escape. so its never always black and white. and we all of had people who would seek to take advantage of our kind nature. i have learned over the years to dismiss them right away, but i had to learn the hard way. but your points are very valid . for me i just plain dont like the enslavement that i see and feel that comes from various sources and i will continue to speak out frequently and loudly against it For what it's worth

norral

[zenmaster]

The finger pointing at the moon is not the moon, and can never be so. However, it is the attempt to make it so which has the potential to change.

[Johan]

Namaste
Norral,

>> the truth is is that every human being on this planet deserves a happy life

How true that sentence is. But now, one needs to bear in mind that happiness does not just fall into your lap. What is happiness? Happiness is the absence of all suffering.

Norral, from your post it seems that hapiness in general terms means perfect health, perfect peace, freedom from want or need. Let's assume for a moment that the above statement is your definition of happiness in broad terms. Where do you expect this happiness to come from, who or what should provide it to you?

You have touched on a very, very important point. Because what most people lack is happiness, or put another way, what most people have an abundance of is unhappiness.

OM

[norral]

i guess i mean that everyone should have an opportunity to achieve happiness. right now what we live in is a rigged system, where an elite few get the benefit of the labor of others. and believe me the system is rigged . so of course we have to do our part this is not an effortless reality. if we want to do stupid stuff we will reap the harvest of it. u cant do unlimited drugs and drinking and expect a happy life. the problem i have and it is a big one is that most of the resources are channeled towards and elite few who essentially have not worked for it.
johann we are in for radical changes imho. the only system that works is a holistic one where the welfare of the whole is placed before the welfare of the few. how we get there is a good question. i figure i do the best i can to be a positive person and that will have its effect. it does have its effect i seem to be pretty well received by others because i genuinely care about others so i guess people pick that up. but the way things are presented now imo is a total lie. the impression given is that some people deserve to make 100 million, 200 million , 500 million dollars a year. usually when u make that kind of money it is because it is stolen and that is the truth. i have observed the financial manipulations on wall street and believe me that game is fixed. so we need absolutely massive change to take place and that change has to come in peoples consciousness. my task here on this earth is to point this out, to be a voice for those who are voiceless and to throw back into the face of the enslavers their evil . i will speak up , i will call them on it and many will not be comfortable with me. cest la vie i am who i am . i have been watching this game for 65 years now and i have seen enuf to know i dont like the lies not at all and since we are at a time where the prophecies are coming to fruition i gladly add my voice to the voice of others and demand , not beg for , a true change based on a compassionate view of life.

norral

just one last point , true happiness comes from service to others, its the only way

[Johan]

Namaste
Norral,

It seems you are talking about the "have's and have nots", i.e. the amount of wealth a person has, and material posessions. There are many wealthy people who are desperately unhappy, which means we can elimate wealth as a cause of happiness. If it is not wealth, then what is it?

What you said in your first post is indeed true, peace, freedom and good health are amongst the things that bring happiness or, it at least elevates your mood. But what you have also said, or it is implied, is that happiness comes from within.

You came into this world as a baby without any clothes or any belongings, yet when your received the intangible things like love and attention, you were a happy baby. Only later in life did you learn about material posessions and you were taught from a very young age, that gifts, presents and money should make you happy.

So appreciating material wealth is a conditioned response. Thus the happiness you're talking about is of temporal value. The truth is, happiness is a choice. If it is a difficult choice, one should examine your values, perhaps if you "revalue" your conditioned values, you might see happiness in a different light and then choose to be happy.

OM

[Turtle]

My suggestion, take it or leave it...

Each and every one of us who realize that we can create a joyful life for ourselves, doing the things we love to do, start living that way without any regard for how many other people pick up on it. Let those who see your examples of love/kindness/joy freely offered in the various ways that you do offer them by simply living that way, see it for what it is and they can choose to follow in your footsteps, in their own unique way.

Live by example, and stop caring about "fixing" the world. It is not broken, it is simply foreign to those who have perceived true joy and bliss.

[norral]

no doubt that happiness does come from inside. but there is something bigger going on here. the people who were slaves in this country were denied a chance at happiness. it is kind of hard to be happy when u are a slave working 6 days a week 16 hours a day, subject to any brutality that your master wants to impose on you. now thank god there is no more slavery in this country that is overt, now its been transformed into financial slavery. and those who enslave us enjoy the fruits of the labors of the rest of us . i am opposed to that and speak out. most people in this country live paycheck to paycheck and the system is designed to work like that. so i am for a totally different way of life. something which really cant be compared to this current system. a way of equality a way of balance where there will be no more rich and poor. where the value is placed on the human and not the thing. where war will be unthinkable, where compassion and caring is the currency of the day. are we far away from that , you bet. but i and others like me hold a vision and i speak out for that vision. i am not under the illusion that great wealth is great happiness but financial slavery is not great happiness either. and since i am a guy who doesnt like bullies, who has spoken out my whole life for justice for the oppressed i understand that is why i was put here. i was put here as a voice to make people uncomfortable and to challenge the status quo. if i could sum myself up in one word it would be equality. i see all beings as equal. i could care less what position someone has or doesnt have. and i will fight for that equality for the rest of my time on this planet. so again big changes are coming in the consciousness. i am just one voice there are many like me who see this . and i realize your heart is in the right place . so let us work towards a better world each in his own way.

norral

[Ruth]

Namaste
Norral,

It seems you are talking about the "have's and have nots", i.e. the amount of wealth a person has, and material posessions. There are many wealthy people who are desperately unhappy, which means we can elimate wealth as a cause of happiness. If it is not wealth, then what is it?

What you said in your first post is indeed true, peace, freedom and good health are amongst the things that bring happiness or, it at least elevates your mood. But what you have also said, or it is implied, is that happiness comes from within.

You came into this world as a baby without any clothes or any belongings, yet when your received the intangible things like love and attention, you were a happy baby. Only later in life did you learn about material posessions and you were taught from a very young age, that gifts, presents and money should make you happy.

So appreciating material wealth is a conditioned response. Thus the happiness you're talking about is of temporal value. The truth is, happiness is a choice. If it is a difficult choice, one should examine your values, perhaps if you "revalue" your conditioned values, you might see happiness in a different light and then choose to be happy.

OM

Yes! I so agree with what you are saying. I see this happen so often in conversations about spiritual matters. We mix the spiritual with the physical.

I think happiness is the joy we can know in spite of (rather than because of) any physical wealth or attribute, including good health. In fact, I think, as you said, it is a choice we make, albeit a difficult one.

Thank you for saying it so very beautifully, Johan.