Homosexuality

[Meerie]

Thanks so much for sharing, kainous! Many blessings to you and your partner!

What I do know is that I have grown up in a small town, at least an hour and a half from any real population.

This part makes me wonder about what Ra said about the confusion due to large cities. It's one of only a handful of quotes that didn't totally resonate with me. (Which is really not bad, considering I found less than a handful, in the whole of the Material...all the rest was right on.)

Can you give a link to the session Monica? I just searched but could not find it...
thanks

[native]

Ra seems to be saying homosexuality is related to a rejection of other-selves. The irony being that they are born into a form in which they encounter much rejection. Neither position on the matter is "correct" however, with the lesson always being love. Those who see homosexuality as unacceptable are attempting to learn a certain lesson, while a gay person is given the task of giving love without expectation of return. Both lessons involve opening the heart..the mirror is always a beautiful thing!

This is pretty much what the wanderer faces. Wanderers reject many aspects of others, which is apparently why few adepts truly awaken.

[kainous]

Thanks so much for sharing, kainous! Many blessings to you and your partner!

What I do know is that I have grown up in a small town, at least an hour and a half from any real population.

This part makes me wonder about what Ra said about the confusion due to large cities. It's one of only a handful of quotes that didn't totally resonate with me. (Which is really not bad, considering I found less than a handful, in the whole of the Material...all the rest was right on.)

Can you give a link to the session Monica? I just searched but could not find it...
thanks

I think that it may be that when one is put in situations in which they are among more people, they feel more comfortable with being with someone, and would hide more in the rural towns. There may be some truth in it, but not so much in the way that the population helps to cause it in any way.

[Monica]

Can you give a link to the session Monica? I just searched but could not find it...
thanks

Sure!

31.8 Questioner: We have what seems to be an increasing number of entities incarnate here now who have what is called a homosexual orientation in this respect. Could you explain and expand upon that concept?
Ra: I am Ra. Entities of this condition experience a great deal of distortion due to the fact that they have experienced many incarnations as biological male and as biological female. This would not suggest what you call homosexuality in an active phase were it not for the difficult vibratory condition of your planetary sphere. There is what you may call great aura infringement among your crowded urban areas in your more populous countries, as you call portions of your planetary surface. Under these conditions the confusions will occur.

[Ankh]

The irony being that they are born into a form in which they encounter much rejection. Neither position on the matter is "correct" however, with the lesson always being love. Those who see homosexuality as unacceptable are attempting to learn a certain lesson, while a gay person is given the task of giving love without expectation of return. Both lessons involve opening the heart..the mirror is always a beautiful thing!

Well, I agree with that. But:

Ra seems to be saying homosexuality is related to a rejection of other-selves.

In my understanding, Ra said that homosexuality happens because of the many incarnations as the biological male/female, roughly 65%, and then those who are extra sensitive, in an over-crowded situation, might lack the desire to be of service to other selves, or have a blockage of the red ray reproductive energy. Although it is in a way a rejection of other selves, Ra didn't put it that way though, or did they?

This is pretty much what the wanderer faces. Wanderers reject many aspects of others, which is apparently why few adepts truly awaken.

We have to keep our eyes on that ball while playing this game, dude! (Kidding!)

[native]

Although it is in a way a rejection of other selves, Ra didn't put it that way though, or did they?

I don't want to give anyone a complex, but the second answer seems to imply that, since there is some sort of retreat from service related to sexual energy transfer. I don't see it being a big deal in the grand scheme of things. Most gay people are highly loving individuals, which is the important part.

We have to keep our eyes on that ball while playing this game, dude! (Kidding!)

I don't like to watch men play with their balls. Except the Super Bowl is tomorrow, which is pretty tttttthuper!

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Honestly it's probably not much more of a retreat than someone who is straight that chooses not to polarize..which is the majority of people here. It possibly just comes in a different form related to the percentage of incarnations as you said. There is perhaps just the sacramental act of sexual transfer lacking.

*Polarization should also always be possible. So it seems being gay is irrelevant, just another form of catalyst.

[Peregrinus]

Perhaps the red ray inefficiency which Jim tried to enunciate is due to the magnetic polarities of like/like masculine or like/like feminine energies which are filtered through the red ray chakra.

Positive/negative magnetic alignment transfers energy much more efficiently than positive/positive or negative/negative. Maybe I am incorrect, or perhaps I explained this inefficiently, in which case, please accept my apology.

One aspect not spoken of within this thread is whether this sexual bias is a function of blockage or partial blockage of chakra(s), in which case we could add it to the multitude of other blockages/partial blockages which humankind lives with. Thoughts?

[kainous]

Positive/negative magnetic alignment transfers energy much more efficiently than positive/positive or negative/negative. Maybe I am incorrect, or perhaps I explained this inefficiently, in which case, please accept my apology.

I will say that this describes what I've read from the Taoist school in regards to homosexuality. Basically, when you get over the cultural disdain in most Taoist places, the belief is that one must work harder to maintain balance between yin and yang if one is found to be in a yang/yang or yin/yin relationship.

The thought goes like this:

Two men together, when unbalanced, may lead to hyperactive, hypercritical, hypersexual, hyperclub-hopping, (you get the idea), unless there is a focus on their yin energy.

Two women together, when unbalanced, may lead to hypoactive, hyposexual, stay-home natures unless they add more focus to their yang energy.

When balanced though, Taoism sees no problem with any such relationship.

[reeay]

Nice story:
Dad's Love Letter to Gay Teenage Son Goes Viral
http://shine.yahoo.com/parenting/dad-s-l...41783.html

[suraj]

Love this thread ! Thanks for starting it spero

I am gay myself amazed the acceptance that exist within the spiritual community Thanks guys

It was indeed a challenging cataylst for me . It further challenging because my early sexual experience was of sexual abuse. I have a long drawn journey of self acceptance and I am proud of myself of what I have achieved

We all are different but we are all one

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Positive/negative magnetic alignment transfers energy much more efficiently than positive/positive or negative/negative. Maybe I am incorrect, or perhaps I explained this inefficiently, in which case, please accept my apology.

I will say that this describes what I've read from the Taoist school in regards to homosexuality. Basically, when you get over the cultural disdain in most Taoist places, the belief is that one must work harder to maintain balance between yin and yang if one is found to be in a yang/yang or yin/yin relationship.

The thought goes like this:

Two men together, when unbalanced, may lead to hyperactive, hypercritical, hypersexual, hyperclub-hopping, (you get the idea), unless there is a focus on their yin energy.

Two women together, when unbalanced, may lead to hypoactive, hyposexual, stay-home natures unless they add more focus to their yang energy.

When balanced though, Taoism sees no problem with any such relationship.

Bingo ! Cant agree more.

Just to add more - your male / female energy has nothing to do with your Gender or your sexuality.

Example a straight female can have high male energy (Very cold) and a straight can also have high female energy (Excessively emotional)

Key is to balance our energies no matter who we are - Gay/straight/bi OR male/female/ hermaphrodite

This explains why my straight brother can shed tears faster then me

[Mr Wanderman]

hi all

So as far as i can tell there's never really been a thread on homosexuality and as a gay male i figured i would start one just to open it to discussion

Here's what Ra has to say about it

Homosexuality

31.8 Questioner: We have what seems to be an increasing number of entities incarnate here now who have what is called a homosexual orientation in this respect. Could you explain and expand upon that concept?

Ra: I am Ra. Entities of this condition experience a great deal of distortion due to the fact that they have experienced many incarnations as biological male and as biological female. This would not suggest what you call homosexuality in an active phase were it not for the difficult vibratory condition of your planetary sphere. There is what you may call great aura infringement among your crowded urban areas in your more populous countries, as you call portions of your planetary surface. Under these conditions the confusions will occur.

31.9 Questioner: Why does density of population create these confusions?

Ra: I am Ra. The bisexual reproductive urge has as its goal, not only the simple reproductive function, but more especially the desire to serve others being awakened by this activity.

In an over-crowded situation where each mind/body/spirit complex is under a constant bombardment from other-selves it is understandable that those who are especially sensitive would not feel the desire to be of service to otherselves. This also would increase the probability of a lack of desire or a blockage of the red-ray reproductive energy.

In an uncrowded atmosphere this same entity would, through the stimulus of feeling the solitude about it, then have much more desire to seek out someone to whom it may be of service thus regularizing the sexual reproductive function.

31.10 Questioner: Roughly how many previous incarnations, shall we say, would a male entity in this incarnation have had to have had in the past as a female to have a highly homosexual orientation in this incarnation? Just roughly.

Ra: I am Ra. If an entity has had roughly 65% of its incarnations in the sexual/biological body complex, the opposite polarity to its present body complex, this entity is vulnerable to the aura infringement of your urban areas and may perhaps become of what you call an homosexual nature.

It is to be noted at this juncture that although it is much more difficult, it is possible in this type of association for an entity to be of great service to another in fidelity and sincere green-ray love of a nonsexual nature thus adjusting or lessening the distortions of its sexual impairment.

For me personally, i've come out to my immediate family, work and friends and have been in a committed relationship for 10 months now. I can see how being gay impacted me whilst growing up (being aware at a very early age of my sexuality) and in particular that it wasnt accepted or considered normal by those around me. This led to alot of fear around my sexuality and expressing it, influenced my perception of myself and others and may have contributed to my diagnosis of depression. In the end some of my fears of coming out particularly to my parents were well founded but workable with time. What made me overcome alot of my initial fears was actually my growing regard for blue ray "the first ray of radiation of self regardless of any actions from another".

In the end I dont know whether aura infringement and past incarnations in the opposite gender played a role, nor do i know whether an uncrowded atmosphere would have made me straight. I dont really consider being gay a "sexual impairment" lol but it does comes with some unique catalyst.

Anyways feel free to comment or discuss

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Spero

It is more than likely that you chose your sexuality before you were even born. Regardless of any supposed external cause and effect, you have indeed been given, and you have indeed sought an experience in your cycle of evolution, among many other types of conditions and experiences available to the soul.

It is less of a matter of finding out "why" you are homosexual rather than finding out "what" it is you can do with this experience to: a) help/love other selves, and b) help facilitate your life cycle journey to the next stage.

In the grand scheme of things are we not all one and the same? At some point in
our future development, sexual orientation will be a humourous thing of our distant path/experience.

In the mean time..., be all you can be and more!

[Adonai One]

Heh, reading this makes me think I might have a red-ray blockage. Not that I am homosexual but I find myself detesting the idea of having sex at all.

[kainous]

Bingo ! Cant agree more.

Just to add more - your male / female energy has nothing to do with your Gender or your sexuality.

Example a straight female can have high male energy (Very cold) and a straight can also have high female energy (Excessively emotional)

Key is to balance our energies no matter who we are - Gay/straight/bi OR male/female/ hermaphrodite

This explains why my straight brother can shed tears faster then me

I'd just like to add that I've known those who are romantically attracted to one sex, and sexually attracted to another. It would go in various ways.