Post-harvest continuity of consciousness

[Shin'Ar]

Is Cyan 3D Monkey?

[Cyan]

Depends, is Shin'Ar 3D Monkey too?

[Shin'Ar]

Depends, is Shin'Ar 3D Monkey too?

lol, dunno know if you know ole monkey or not Cyan,

but he's a little notorious here.

Hasn't been around much lately.

I can't even recall now what it was about thios thread and the way you ressurected it that made me wonder of you might be 3D Monkey using another name. lol

Ya know, short term an all.

I aint gettin any younger in this form.

[Cyan]

I know of him, consider his points to be, for the most part, funny and valid. Though not all.

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I found the last bit of dialogue I was commenting on (you're both wrong) so hilariously funny to my new... "expanded" point of view that i felt like bumping it for giggles. Hopefully non offended

[irpsit]

RA: You must see the Earth as being 7 planets. There is red, orange, yellow, and there will soon be a completed green color vibratory locus for 4th density entities which they will call Earth. DURING THE 4TH DENSITY EXPERIENCE, THE 3RD DENSITY SPHERE IS NOT USEFUL FOR HABITATION, (i.e. by 3rd density beings) because the early 4th density entity will not know precisely how to remain undetectable by 3rd density. Thus in 4th density the red, orange and green energy nexi (centers) of your planet will be activated while the yellow is in potentiation along with blue and indigo.

Ra and Quo said we are harvest at the struck of the clock, circa 2011. And that harvest in undetectable at a physical level. Only after natural death we go to repeat 3D or STO4d or STS4d. Naturally we did not saw anything special happening in 2011 or 2012.

Both said 3d is incompatible with 4d. 3D cannot gradually transform into 4d!

When 4d is active, 3 d must be unpopulated. Therefore all remaining 3d humans must die entirely, within the next the 100-700 transition period.

What happens and when it happens is unknown. But it will be a global wipe-up at worse, or at best a gradual die-down until no one remains, or a sudden cut end.

This might happen anytime between now and 2700. So its a big time interval.

Nothing of this really matters, because we can't figure out what our harvest really is, since it only becomes visible after death.

Another interesting factor is that we are 75% STS, 25% STO in general. Its very difficult to be 51% STO.

At least I am honest with me. I try to live according to my heart, but sadly I feel more STS than STO. The overall physical body of a human, and the human civilization itself makes us largely 3d STS, even if we aspire otherwise.

There is nothing else to do, except behaving and being natural and as best as we feel we can be. This itself is a great task and challenge.

[Parsons]

irpsit, I would respectfully suggest you reconsider what percent 'STO/STS' you are considering that your thoughts / just 'being' can be 'STO'. Your actions count, but so do your thoughts (arguably more so).

[Monica]

Another interesting factor is that we are 75% STS, 25% STO in general. Its very difficult to be 51% STO.

How did you come up with those percentages?

[untilbeyond]

Quote:
"I don't know that we can hold 3d incarnates to the same standards as we do channeled entities."


At the same time, we gotta allow for the law of nature that channelling
needs to be at least 20% inaccurate to allow self-validation, discernment, and possibly something along the lines of the prime directive.

Imagine a perfect bible. Perfect instruction for living in accord with nature and optimal growth with minimal suffering. Always an answer for everything. Except questions spur growth more than answers.

The best channelers agree that channeling beyond 80% accuracy is non-existent. So my approach with tLoO is to exercise my discernment
and select which concepts are added to make the transmission legal, so to speak. One example of innocuous disinformation in Ra Materiel is the bit about the eighth dimension and the octave concept.

I think that was thrown in to make it legal, and by legal, I mean less than 80% accurate.

Also, the description of the fifth density from the early books has changed quite a bit since the '80s. Many consider the dream state
to be fifth density.

What I'm calling a law.... could also just be a policy. Or it might have something to do with the fact that our higher self includes both HD plus and minus. My main point here, is the lack of access to perfect info has the net effect of quickening our development. We're forced to either live inside questions or go unconscious.

Another benefit: if we all shared an identical point of view, wouldn't that make us a cult? We're a group of people bonding around an entire set of conundrums. Most of us have been researching this stuff for years or decades. This forum allows us to share our speculations.

I appreciate that opportunity.

[InTheMiddle]

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The best channelers agree that channeling beyond 80% accuracy is non-existent. So my approach with tLoO is to exercise my discernment
and select which concepts are added to make the transmission legal, so to speak. One example of innocuous disinformation in Ra Materiel is the bit about the eighth dimension and the octave concept.

Were the idea of the eighth dimension to be incorrect, then that would mean we could never return to God

[Shin'Ar]

Were the idea of the eighth dimension to be incorrect, then that would mean we could never return to God

What does that even mean, return to God?

What exactly do you speculate when you think in this way?

In my thinking, when one blows into the air, it is not expected that this breath of exhalation is supposed to return to the one who breathed it.

The breath does not somehow return to become the breather, or even return to the breather at all. It is exhaled into creation and becomes a part of that process.

It is my understanding that if existence is infinite, if The One Consciousness is infinite, then to suggest or suppose that returning to an origin, starting over again, or completing some cycle, would NOT be compliant with my understanding of infinity.

[irpsit]

I came with these percentages by counting for example 20 average people, in the time they spent in average self-serving acts, other-serving acts and non-polarized acts. This is a subjective thing to do, but that was the method I choose to use.

Both me, other community-oriented people, and the normal society people, seem to average around 70-80% STS, and 20-30% STO, with small variation.

Someone like Mother Theresa would have been closer to a 50%, 50%.

Seemingly I have never met anyone more than 90% STS.

But a whole lot of people conduct a lot of unpolarized acts, a second place percentage majority of self-serving acts, and just a small portion of other-serving acts.

I have a roughly 75%, 25% balance. In a few "shiny special" days, if I commit strong sheer effort, I can reach a 50%, 50% but it does not seem the standard trend in me, or others. It is rather unnatural.

Likewise, not only in acts but also in thoughts. At least in my perception.


I will tell you what I do, and many of my community-relatives. We are probably less STS than the common folk, but still far from the ideal 50/50 dream.

we spend (average 8 hours) 30% of time sleeping, a rather unpolarized act, with a bit of self-serving need to it.
we spend (average 1 hour) of time eating, a self-serving act, around 4% of our day.
if we cook for others (let's say 1 hour), then you have done 4% of a STO act.
let's say that the sum of all our small really-STO actions and thoughts count as a high estimate of 2 hours per day, that is 8% daily time of STO.
let's say we do 3 hours of STS acts and thoughts per day, then we are doing also 12% of extra self-serving time per day.
Rest would be probably unpolarized acts.

Sum is 16% STS time, 8% STO, 76% unpolarized acts. This results in a 66% STS versus 34% STO balance. Some people might get to 57%/43% STO. But who does 50%/50% every single day?

Just let me know if you think I am being dishonest while regarding these estimates, for me and the average person.

I hope you don't think I am being overly logical. I give plenty of space for love and understanding. I also feel that besides our soul natures are strongly STO, our human bodies and 3D Earth is strongly STS-biased, as well as our modern civilization values. That makes our challenge even greater, and sometimes I wonder why we would incarnate in such difficult configuration.

Another interesting factor is that we are 75% STS, 25% STO in general. Its very difficult to be 51% STO.

How did you come up with those percentages?

[Cyan]

Hard concept this harvest.

To HArvest or not to hARvest!... Maybe that is, the Choice.

PS: From my PoV. As long as Dolan is doing fine, the human civilization must be doing fine

[Shin'Ar]

I have been extremely wary of this whole aspect of STS/STO since I first came here.

My connection gave me warning that it was not being offered exactly as it should.

I don't yet know if that meant that Ra was hiding something, holding something back or if Ra was simply not beneficially revealing it the way it should have been revealed.

I do not see this percentage of harvest factor, and this division of STS/STO as being of any benefit to us whatsoever.

If a person is free to choose their path, and all paths are evolving regardless of orientation, the only difference is in the speed at which evolution of consciousness occurs. And most of those walking the service to self path would usually choose the welfare of their temporary self over any other. Such hypothesis serves no benefit to a being which chooses freely.

And I highly doubt that any would actually be more STO oriented than they would be STS, simply because even the struggle to be STO is for the sake of that self in most cases.

The confusion and dilemma of this categorization is easily seen here in this community, as it should be because it does not make sense when it is sincerely discerned.

I do not know why Ra offers this to us, but I do believe that thinking in this way only offers confusion and something to debate, where ignorance of it would only result in one continuing to choose the way they would with or without that knowledge.

[Parsons]

Ahh, thank you for clarifying. That explains how you are getting those STO/STS percentages. Might I humbly suggest acts such as sleeping, eating, or other human needs are decidedly NOT STS? Service to self could be much more accurately described as 'service to self at the expense of others.' For example, unless you are sleeping all the time while being able-bodied/minded to provide for yourself, you are being slightly 'STO' by getting enough rest each night. You are in fact doing service to the Creator and fragments of the Creator around you by doing some very basic providing for yourself so others don't have to perform those services for you.

[Tenet Nosce]

I don't yet know if that meant that Ra was hiding something, holding something back or if Ra was simply not beneficially revealing it the way it should have been revealed.

It is none of these. To my perception, the main issue stems from not reading the material in the first place and/or taking only the parts which reinforce one's biases.

Questioner: Thank you. You have stated previously that the foundation of our present illusion is the concept of polarity. I would like to ask, since we have defined the two polarities as service to others and service to self, is there a more complete or eloquent or enlightening definition of these polarities or any more information that we don’t have at this time that you could give on the two ends of the poles that would give us a better insight into the nature of polarity itself?

Ra: I am Ra. It is unlikely that there is a more pithy or eloquent description of the polarities of third density than service to others and service to self due to the nature of the mind/body/spirit complexes’ [humans, including L/L Research] distortions towards perceiving concepts relating to philosophy in terms of ethics or activity. However, we [those of Ra] might consider the polarities using slightly variant terms. In this way a possible enrichment of insight might be achieved for some.

One might consider the polarities with the literal nature enjoyed by the physical polarity of the magnet. The negative and positive, with their electrical characteristics, may be seen to be just as in the physical sense. It is to be noted in this context that it is quite impossible to judge the polarity of an act or an entity, just as it is impossible to judge the relative goodness of the negative and positive poles of the magnet.

Another method of viewing polarities might involve the concept of radiation/absorption. That which is positive is radiant; that which is negative is absorbent.

Read this closely. Then read it again. What Ra is saying is, given the tendency of L/L (and other humans) to distort philosophy toward "ethics or activity", there is unlikely a more pithy or eloquent description.

But then they go on to offer a description of polarity that has nothing to do with "ethics or activity" vis a vis the magnet.

111 Thread Redirect --> Ra's Adventures in Wonderland
111 Thread Redirect --> Polarization and Polarity
111 Thread Redirect --> The Law of One

[zenmaster]

Then read where the concept came from Don and the book of Oahspe...

[Tenet Nosce]

Then read where the concept came from Don and the book of Oahspe...

That's not entirely true. The STO/STS meme was first introduced by Ra in Session 7 in response to a query about the Orion group.

The Law of One blinks neither at the light or the darkness, but is available for service to others and service to self. However, service to others results in service to self, thus preserving and further harmonizing the distortions of those entities seeking intelligent infinity through these disciplines.

However, as we can clearly discern from this quote, Ra's concept does not exactly "resonate" with that which is most commonly represented by students of the material. Rather,

Also, possibly relevant is that the quote you referred to about the book Oahspe is from Session 17. It seems to me that nearly every highly distorted concept from the material is referred to somewhere in this session.

I believe a fair case has been previously made that this session was corrupted for various reasons including, but not limited to, solar activity interfering (directly or indirectly by exacerbating Carla's pain flares) with the channeling process. There was also a lot of transient/transitory material in this session. As we know, this impacts the "free flow of vital energy."

[Shin'Ar]

One might consider the polarities with the literal nature enjoyed by the physical polarity of the magnet.[/u] The negative and positive, with their electrical characteristics, may be seen to be just as in the physical sense. It is to be noted in this context that it is quite impossible to judge the polarity of an act or an entity, just as it is impossible to judge the relative goodness of the negative and positive poles of the magnet.
[u]

Hi TN,

I think it is clear that I do not always agree with Ra's constant references to STS/STO. But those quotes you list above are quite in line with my thinking and understanding. Similar to what I posted above. The only difference being that it seems to omit the options of choice and free will to orient our selves one way or another.

[Tenet Nosce]

I think it is clear that I do not always agree with Ra's constant references to STS/STO.

I would suggest that a close read would reveal that the constant references to STS/STO in the material come from Don, and not Ra. Rather, Ra is merely responding to the queries as given.

But those quotes you list above are quite in line with my thinking and understanding. Similar to what I posted above. The only difference being that it seems to omit the options of choice and free will to orient our selves one way or another.

It does seem to me that there is some sort of fundamental dissonance between the teachings of Thoth and Ra. Although I haven't quite put my finger the exact nature of it yet. I'm inclined to think the teachings are equally valid in their respective contexts, but when we attempt to take each in the context of the other, they become highly confused and distorted.

[irpsit]

Your replies are being amazing! I just had really good insights as I read all of these above And quite positive feelings.

I think the concept of sts, sto is yes distorted, as someone just said. I agree that it makes sense sts in middle, sto around. And also initiallt in 3d acts are mostly unpolarized, the so called "human needs" because they just are. But then, human needs like social needs or sex, can adopt very sts or sto energies. For instance lovemaking is mostly sto, while rape is sts. I would probably guess that a part of the overall romantic experiences are slightly sts but mostly unpolarized in most of mankind.

So i guess we are just at a time that we are ever increasing polarizing. Most of us in sto direction, some in sts.

I also agree that concepts of percentage, and "striving to be sto" are mostly self-serving and only serve to confuse us further. I also think that the concept of a harvest put us under pressure, as if a test or judgment, and this is not positive for most of us.

I suggest relaxing to what is natural to us, our needs and our heart feels. Gradually most of us would gradually become more sto, without need to much effort. However in our current state of civilization it is wise to speed up our efforts towards sto. I even think these stem from the fact that we had destroyed the civilization in previous civilization incarnations. So now we feel the pressure to be and do better.

[Shin'Ar]

It does seem to me that there is some sort of fundamental dissonance between the teachings of Thoth and Ra. Although I haven't quite put my finger the exact nature of it yet. I'm inclined to think the teachings are equally valid in their respective contexts, but when we attempt to take each in the context of the other, they become highly confused and distorted.

The respective contexts would be their understanding of The Consciousness and The All.

The dissonance is a very strong vibration and it is not surprising that you would sense, being of strong intuition. Do not forget that the very words of The Tablets are enchanted by runes. They are designed with a very high vibration so as to assist the reader in understanding their true meaning.

What you sense TN, is the powerful statement they make about The Mystery being truly Infinite and not concluded in any fashion.

The Mystery is everything to The Ancients for it is the carrot we chase, that we shall never catch. It is as sacred as The Circle.

And anything in the Ra Material that contradicts or denies that infinity by speaking of concluded futures and alternate realities, would heavily disturb those vibrations whenever the two were being compared in the field of consciousness.

[Tenet Nosce]

And anything in the Ra Material that contradicts or denies that infinity by speaking of concluded futures and alternate realities, would heavily disturb those vibrations whenever the two were being compared in the field of consciousness.

Yes, but this is just the thing, Shin'Ar. Nothing in the Ra Material contradicts or denies the mystery of infinity. What you are responding to in this forum- and have been from the moment you joined- is other people's distorted ideas about what the material says. Not the material itself.

You keep objecting to ideas that have been passed around the forum, parroted and repeated by members, and taken at face value as actually having a sound basis in the material, when in fact they aren't based in the material at all, but have been projected into it.

For example:

Thus all begins and ends in mystery.

These mysteries are of sixth and seventh density and are not available for our speaking.

Another self cannot teach/learn enlightenment, but only teach/learn information, inspiration, or a sharing of love, of mystery, of the unknown that makes the other-self reach out and begin the seeking process that ends in a moment, but who can know when an entity will open the gate to the present?

It is not our intent in this particular project to create erroneous information but to express in the confining ambiance of your language system the feeling of the infinite mystery of the one creation in its infinite and intelligent unity.

However, the understandings we have to share begin and end in mystery.

Thus we can only say we assume an infinite progression though we understand it to be cyclical in nature and, as we have said, clad in mystery.

So you see, your comment I quoted above is actually quite off-base. If you had actually read the material, you would cease to believe that you are arguing against it. Because you are not. What you are actually doing is arguing against other people's distorted views of the material, which are being presented as fact simply because these have become the views of the majority. As if- simply because the majority of people "believe" in something, it actually becomes an accurate representation of reality.

Since you clearly haven't read the material, you of course wouldn't know any better. So you are pretty much in the same boat as all the other members who haven't read the material either, but continue to speak about concepts contained within it as if they had.

[zenmaster]

I believe a fair case has been previously made that this session was corrupted for various reasons including, but not limited to, solar activity interfering (directly or indirectly by exacerbating Carla's pain flares) with the channeling process.

Where did that idea originate?

[Tenet Nosce]

I believe a fair case has been previously made that this session was corrupted for various reasons including, but not limited to, solar activity interfering (directly or indirectly by exacerbating Carla's pain flares) with the channeling process.

Where did that idea originate?

They were discussed here:

The Detuning of Session 17 and Ra's True Intentions Regarding 2011 - Part II Remember?

But here it is in a nutshell:

This instrument’s distortions of body do not ever rule out, shall we say, such flares during these periods of increased distortion of the body complex. Our contact may become momentarily garbled. Therefore, we request that any information which seems garbled be questioned as we wish this contact to remain as undistorted as the limitations of language, mentality, and sensibility allow.

That solar activity can result in flareups of pain and inflammation has been scientifically documented. For example:

Does the weather really matter? A cohort study of influences of weather and solar conditions on daily variations of joint pain in patients with rheumatoid arthritis.

Changes in autoimmune markers of the anti-cardiolipin syndrome on days of extreme geomamagnetic activity.

Cardiac Arrhythmia and Geomagnetic Activity

Effect of geomagnetic storms on the erythrocyte sedimentation rate in ischemic patients.

Solar activity and cardiovascular diseases

Sunspot dynamics are reflected in human physiology and pathophysiology.

[native]

Tenet, you linked Part I by accident.

Also, I recently found another statement confirming that the channeling wasn't always perfect.. "104.1 The readings are somewhat less distorted towards physical bankruptcy and vital loss than at the previous asking. There is still considerable bias in these readings."

[Tenet Nosce]

Tenet, you linked Part I by accident.

Whoops! Fixed now.

[zenmaster]

Then read where the concept came from Don and the book of Oahspe...

That's not entirely true. The STO/STS meme was first introduced by Ra in Session 7 in response to a query about the Orion group.

The Law of One blinks neither at the light or the darkness, but is available for service to others and service to self. However, service to others results in service to self, thus preserving and further harmonizing the distortions of those entities seeking intelligent infinity through these disciplines.

just to point out something which you must already understand (if you read the material) that Ra already read the "memes" of Don, Carla, and Jim. So with that obvious foreknowledge, the concept of concept introduction does not follow customary interaction.

[Shin'Ar]

And anything in the Ra Material that contradicts or denies that infinity by speaking of concluded futures and alternate realities, would heavily disturb those vibrations whenever the two were being compared in the field of consciousness.

Yes, but this is just the thing, Shin'Ar. Nothing in the Ra Material contradicts or denies the mystery of infinity. What you are responding to in this forum- and have been from the moment you joined- is other people's distorted ideas about what the material says. Not the material itself.

So you see, your comment I quoted above is actually quite off-base. If you had actually read the material, you would cease to believe that you are arguing against it. Because you are not. What you are actually doing is arguing against other people's distorted views of the material, which are being presented as fact simply because these have become the views of the majority. As if- simply because the majority of people "believe" in something, it actually becomes an accurate representation of reality.

Since you clearly haven't read the material, you of course wouldn't know any better. So you are pretty much in the same boat as all the other members who haven't read the material either, but continue to speak about concepts contained within it as if they had.

TN,

You know that I have always placed great value on your forthright and open minded efforts to communicate with me.

I understand exactly what you are trying to suggest to me here and you are partially correct, in that I do like to challenge other's interpretations of the Ra material. Is that not what this forum is designed for? Discussion of the material?

I study it at the pace and quantity that I am able to given my physical limitations. No, I have made it clear that I have not studied it in its fullness. But I have studied and been studying it. These discussions with others about it help to further illuminate the Material. many quotes are often presented in support of personal interpretations and I get the chance to discern quotes that I may not have otherwise come across.

I am fully aware that many of these members have different interpretations, and I am also fully aware that many will not accurately interpret the material.

I never accept interpretations by anyone as gospel. ( I know TN, that is really not a valid use of that word, lol).


And yet you are right again in that when I first came here I became immediately aware that many were radically altering Ra's words to meet with their own curiosities of the dark path and STS.

That was not hard to see and I did begin to immediately start challenging those thoughts in the hopes of both presenting my understanding of what Ra was saying on STS, and in more fully understanding why they chose to interpret the quotes their way?

Your noting that there are many distorted interpretations here, is no different than my challenging those interpretations in the hopes of further clarification and discussion of them.

Now when you say that I am in the same boat as all others that have not read the material, are you suggesting that it is not appropriate to discuss or challenge interpretations unless one has studied the Material in its complete fullness?

I am a little confused there.

Also with regard to the material speaking to The Mystery, and your statement that Ra does not speak of alternate realities, or already concluded futures, I would have to disagree, in that I have read quotes that do seem to suggest a contradiction with Lord Thoth. But you are right that it is possible, because of the fact that I have not read ALL of the material, that I may yet come to realize something different.

I actually hope that turns out to be the case, because from the beginning I have hoped that the Ra Material would further support The teachings of Thoth. The similar offering of congruent information is one of the things which I am always in search of to add credence to my own understanding and the effort to build the puzzle.

Now at this point we would usually provide a few quotes to point to why we have interpreted as we do to see who has the more to offer and then discern whether or not we need to alter our thinking.

But given recent altercations with a couple of other members I have lost all desire to get into anything of such complexity at this point.

I hope you will be available for such at a later date and that you do not feel ignored by me in any way. you know how I love a healthy debate.

But given the way I have recently been unjustly portrayed here I have sort of lost interest in attempting to relate to anyone else right now. Some people are very difficult to relate to and take everything said as insult and attack, and it becomes very uncomfortable.

In short, I understand your point about following misinterpretations and the need to make sure I do not form my opinions of the Ra Material based upon the interpretations of others, right or wrong.

But I do not understand why you would think I do that in the first place, when you know how often I deliberately delve into the dynamics and intricacies of the material in my discussions. I, of all people, am extremely wary of personal interpretations, and rely heavily on my own discernment and connection with the Material..

[βαθμιαίος]

Also, I recently found another statement confirming that the channeling wasn't always perfect.. "104.1 The readings are somewhat less distorted towards physical bankruptcy and vital loss than at the previous asking. There is still considerable bias in these readings."

Readings as in readings of the instrument's condition, not readings of the material.

[Shin'Ar]

Also, I recently found another statement confirming that the channeling wasn't always perfect.. "104.1 The readings are somewhat less distorted towards physical bankruptcy and vital loss than at the previous asking. There is still considerable bias in these readings."

Readings as in readings of the instrument's condition, not readings of the material.

Thanks for this Greek. I am always seeking further aspects of the Material for consideration.

I think it is vital that we all bear in mind that the channeling effort is one of extreme intimacy which is affected by many dynamics which may affect the ability for accurate information and translation/interpretation to be had. Which as you and our brother Tenet,have noted.