Ascension is your addiction

[Artura]

First, I speak directly to the moderators. Dissent and rational opposition to ideologies and belief systems are healthy in order to bolster the faith of believers. Why? Because you encounter a scenario where you are defending your beliefs, which lead to the formulation of thoughts that would otherwise not come to be.

If you vote to delete this post, you have truly fallen into deception and everything you have done will have caused your own undoing. It will become a a sad a tragic moment where you will realize that your grasp on sand caused it to fall from your hand. Do not delete this post, I truly plead with you to trust me on this, I care for you more than you even know.

I am not trying to harm you, I am trying to help you.

To everyone, these words are for you. Channeling is false, ascension is false. The first step to any higher state of being is a higher faculty of balance. No matter what you feel and what you've seen that has led to your stalwart abandonment of the low for high, you must come back down from your perilous state of being.

Start by reading the full collection of my posts on this forum, chronologically and in order. One is missing, it was deleted by the moderators. Someone on this forum has it and can reproduce its content should you feel compelled to bring it back into memory.

My posts tell a compelling story of a man who went from low to high and back down to enlightenment.

http://www.bring4th.org/forums/search.ph...id=&page=2

If that is too much for you, then at the very least please watch the entirety of this video. George knows what I know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZL5Yc3G7H8

I do not want you to believe me, I want you to observe me and believe what you will.

I cannot do anything more for you, I'm becoming tired, I will not be able to help you much longer.

Artura

[Praxis]

I see ascension not as leaving your body but increasing your wave length of conscious understanding. Channeling is odd to me but can see it as someone expanding there consciousness and based on what they believe bring into know from the silent balance of being. Low as in High as below and above. The microcosm and macrocosm that is seeking knowledge from within to further understand the knowledge of the universe or unified field of consciousness that is proven in neuroscience that they are theoretical making a connection to the unified field of physics and trying to confirm it is the same thing.

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could see why your post might be deleted because it comes off with tones of fear. All is well, we all on the same journey if you will. words like channeling or ascension can have multiple meanings.

[GentleReckoning]

Fantastic thread Artura. I value your opinion and am glad you chose to express yourself here.

Perhaps you will find some here that agree with you, but the 21st came and went and caused (afaik) relatively minor ripples in this community.

Personally, the integration of the philosophies from channeled materials have dramatically increased the speed with which I progress through life. However, I can certainly see that some would see these sources of information as negative in origin. (which some obviously are!)

[Praxis]

"Dissent and rational opposition to ideologies and belief systems are healthy in order to bolster the faith of believers. Why? Because you encounter a scenario where you are defending your beliefs, which lead to the formulation of thoughts that would otherwise not come to be."

Love it that you think this way because it does make a lot of sense, I find myself never adapting any one type of ideology or belief but allow that silent balance that we are all attempting to achieve makes sense of anything I read. Having multiple perspective but not allowing my mind to endlessly battle the possibilities. The more you dig through the more scattered you can become but with that dissent and rational opposition you gain further heights of your own expanding consciousness.

[Karl]

No worries Artura, I don't care about acsension or channeling. I don't care where information comes from. If I don't like it I simply throw it out. Even if channeling is a fraud the points made are interesting none-the-less.

Best regards.

[zenmaster]

Mods, you must delete this post before too many people become aware of this dangerous knowledge.

[Praxis]

enjoy your dryness zenmaster

[Artura]

Mods, you must delete this post before too many people become aware of this dangerous knowledge.

You have no idea, you poor soul.

There is no final judgement where modes of ignorance cause a punishment that is avoided for just one person, rather ignorance is like a virus that spreads and infects without emotion or motive. We assign meaning to the meaningless in hope that we will escape our certain fate.

As a part of an art exhibition, a series of terminally ill people were photographed in their last conscious moments of life and then again after death. One woman of particularly no importance to the history of the world was quoted in that conscious moment.

"Death is a test of one’s maturity. Everyone has got to get through it on their own. I want very much to die. I want to become part of that vast extraordinary light. But dying is hard work. Death is in control of the process, I cannot influence its course. All I can do is wait. I was given my life, I had to live it, and now I am giving it back"

An excerpt from The Time Machine by H.G. Wells:

"Patience," said I to myself. "If you want your machine again you must leave that sphinx alone. If they mean to take your machine away, it's little good your wrecking their bronze panels, and if they don't, you will get it back as soon as you can ask for it. To sit among all those unknown things before a puzzle like that is hopeless. That way lies monomania. Face this world. Learn its ways, watch it, be careful of too hasty guesses at its meaning. In the end you will find clues to it all." Then suddenly the humour of the situation came into my mind: the thought of the years I had spent in study and toil to get into the future age, and now my passion of anxiety to get out of it. I had made myself the most complicated and the most hopeless trap that ever a man devised. Although it was at my own expense, I could not help myself. I laughed aloud.

I am not here to gain your support, I am here because you are living in a dream. The true awakening is the realization that the future is as the present but death is inescapable for all of us, making all men equal in fates. That is the real reason you are here. Dedicating your fleeting time on earth to the idea that you will ascend in life and be carried away from death is the lowliest of lessons you must master in order to walk the path of truth that will set you free.

Many of you may think what you are doing is benign and innocent, but you're wrong. The internet is a gateway drug for co-creating an imagined reality for people who are experiencing loss or going through a tough emotional period of their life.

The truth is just simple. The Ra material is a work of art that was doctored by a creative literary genius that was the product of the 1960's and 1970's counterculture. The production company was named L/L Productions, which was essentially inspired by a 1968-1972 London underground/hippie movement named Gandalf's Garden. L/L initially chose the medium of film as their "Garden" but the Science Fiction genre was dominated by the debut of Star Wars in 1977. After 1972, when the GG movement disbanded, the members became deeply involved in all aspects of the new age movement. These people were geniuses and artists, not uneducated hippies. They felt that deception was the only answer to infusing happiness into a world that was sobering up at the end of the counterculture movement, which ended with the resignation of a disgraced Richard Nixon in 1974.

Here is the danger that will eventually unfold into a tragedy.

DON: As this transition continues into 4th density activation, in order to inhabit this 4th density
sphere it will be necessary for all 3rd density physical bodies to go through the process which we
refer to as death. Is this correct? (B3,92)
RA: This is correct.

In 1985 the death of a woman named Bonnie Nettles set into motion a series of events that caused 38 innocent souls to ignorantly commit suicide in order to achieve ascension into a higher realm. A UFO religion named Heaven's Gate was founded by both Nettles and a man named Marshall Applewhite.

Applewhite believed that he and Nettles were destined for ascension and began co-creating an imaginary belief system that was born from the events of the 1960 counterculture and anti-art movement. Nettles was to be the "sage", as a medium, and Applewhite the "speaker". When Nettles succumbed to death in 1985, Applewhite was left with no choice but to begin challenging the idea of physical ascension, which led him to believe that his departed wife had already ascended through death instead of life.

This one event perpetuated one of the most tragic events of modern human history and is now threatening to repeat itself through means of the Ra material unless it becomes discredited as a work of art, which is its truthful origin.

[reeay]

How helpful is it to pathologize this catalyst as 'addiction'?

To create such a 'diagnosis' entails much responsibility - to look at your own distortions around this issue and what compels you to see others in this way.

[Brittany]

Successful troll is successful.

[Monica]

The truth is just simple. The Ra material is a work of art that was doctored by a creative literary genius that was the product of the 1960's and 1970's counterculture. The production company was named L/L Productions, which was essentially inspired by a 1968-1972 London underground/hippie movement named Gandalf's Garden. L/L initially chose the medium of film as their "Garden" but the Science Fiction genre was dominated by the debut of Star Wars in 1977. After 1972, when the GG movement disbanded, the members became deeply involved in all aspects of the new age movement. These people were geniuses and artists, not uneducated hippies. They felt that deception was the only answer to infusing happiness into a world that was sobering up at the end of the counterculture movement, which ended with the resignation of a disgraced Richard Nixon in 1974.

Artura, I can only assume that you haven't actually read the Law of One books. You might want to actually read them before forming such an opinion.

We appreciate your concern, but you are making some heavy-duty accusations about some very dear souls whom I interview every week. I actually KNOW these people, and I KNOW them well enough to know that they would never fabricate anything. Your conclusions might make sense to you, based on what you've read, but you don't know the actual people involved, so your data is incomplete.

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Actually, I'm surprised this hasn't happened more. It's amazing that we haven't been bombarded with people telling us we're 'satanic' or otherwise misled.

[Unbound]

Silence speaks.

[Cyan]

My "guides" have lead me to believe that leaving places like these ON THE NET but not in flesh, is a good idea.

We need to live in physical closeness to one another, for one.

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Luckily, i'm a luciferian so I dont always follow my guides. Hahahaha (now this, for clarification, is a joke, in as much as that i dont follow any specific path )

[Sagittarius]

I have to admit that perhaps this touches me more deeply because of an interaction with a member of this forum, whom I will not name for their respect. I received a message from them today announcing that they are leaving, they have, despite themselves, and their own reasonings, been lead by an inner voice to believe that it is "time to leave", and that they are now on the path to self-termination.

What bothers me deeply, is that much of the basis for this individuals comes from a comparison between the state of expectation of the self, meaning they assumed that if they are not spreading positive vibrations, or helping to change the world, or interacting with people, then they are not fulfilling the purpose of this realm, and they have no desire to engage in these things because their view sees this world as entirely broken, separate and fragmented.

I have to admit, from what I am beginning to see more and more on this forum is more of that separation. Where I once thought this could be a bastion for love how now deteriorated more and more in to an opinionated battleground.

People are gonna do what there gonna do. 21/12 did seam to bring a bit of arguing and dissent which was bound to happen because of the emotional charge attached the outcome of that day.

I wouldn't worry about the person, very few who actually state to others they are going to commit suicide actually do. It's more like they are playing it out in there minds to get it out of there system.

Can't learn without a multitude of opinions but still I do agree a lot of the arguments seam to have dropped down a level into the personal territory. It is kind of annoying considering the material that brought us all together.

[Plenum]

some wise thoughts there Sagg.

and re expectations ... everything is a learning process, and those that engage in a certain behaviour learn from theirs, and those that learn from another behaviour learn what they need to.

everything is as it should be; the forum is not 'better' or 'worse'; it is what is given the current state of inputs.

[BrownEye]

Mods, you must delete this post before too many people become aware of this dangerous knowledge.

You have no idea, you poor soul.

Well this brightened my day LoL!

[BlatzAdict]

lol dude this guy posts on the DATE that i'm tired as hell most of the people i know r tired and getting sick

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coordinated archon attack. +1 d dmg

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i thank everyone here for the increased love and light i have attained as a result of reading this thread.

I'd also like to note that I've encountered spirit well before I've learned the Law of One. After reading the Law of One I have much more control over myself and much more conscious directed love as a person. Not because of the Law of One, or because it was Ra, but because of the words in it. They rang true to me, but also I started to develop in psychic ability, everyday I get stronger and stronger. I feel it. it's not just thoughts in my head, it's electricity on my freakin body. It's the energy I see that composes everything, I don't see solidity to anything anymore, I just see these globs of dense dense light stucketh together by all of our combined intention at the higher levels.
Even science is getting to this realization. UR TOTALLY PAID TO SAY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING!!!

It doesn't explain all the sychronicities I get now, It doesn't explain so many things that I have come to know understand and love about my spirit guides. u just don't know dude.. u just really don't know yet. lol u need to open them eyes really search out spirit for you to interact and connect with it.

if you are being paid to say this stuff. .. well thanks for illuminating my path to me even more. this 3d stuff is easy peasy. rofl

[yossarian]

What's an Archon?

This guy is the most well written crazy person I've seen so far I think

[BlatzAdict]

What's an Archon?

This guy is the most well written crazy person I've seen so far I think

4-5th density sts individuals who are either on the astral or on the physical, deliberately putting out fear energy, and sickness waveforms, some say it could be haarp, or there could be other sources

but i am starting to recognize the patterns and symptoms of this experience, it is much like what has been happening, each time it has less and less of an impact on the greater whole, each time, everyone takes one step closer to christ consciousness.

to attaining intelligent infinity. the ones who write well are the ones who hold the most light, not necessarily the most love

[Artura]

I do not by any means think any of you are satanic or evil, and I'm not trolling.

I just want to give you a fighting chance.

Read this article from 1968.

http://www.pardoes.info/roanddarroll/GGPersonal.html

I'm sorry Monica, the imagination is reality but it is not always the truth. The human mind is capable of simulating any reality it so chooses, as long as the conscious mind believes it. They know this, and that is why they are trying to change the collective human consciousness. They are trying to create Gandalf's Garden. If you want to help them, you should at least know the truth.

The truth is just simple. The Ra material is a work of art that was doctored by a creative literary genius that was the product of the 1960's and 1970's counterculture. The production company was named L/L Productions, which was essentially inspired by a 1968-1972 London underground/hippie movement named Gandalf's Garden. L/L initially chose the medium of film as their "Garden" but the Science Fiction genre was dominated by the debut of Star Wars in 1977. After 1972, when the GG movement disbanded, the members became deeply involved in all aspects of the new age movement. These people were geniuses and artists, not uneducated hippies. They felt that deception was the only answer to infusing happiness into a world that was sobering up at the end of the counterculture movement, which ended with the resignation of a disgraced Richard Nixon in 1974.

Artura, I can only assume that you haven't actually read the Law of One books. You might want to actually read them before forming such an opinion.

We appreciate your concern, but you are making some heavy-duty accusations about some very dear souls whom I interview every week. I actually KNOW these people, and I KNOW them well enough to know that they would never fabricate anything. Your conclusions might make sense to you, based on what you've read, but you don't know the actual people involved, so your data is incomplete.

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Actually, I'm surprised this hasn't happened more. It's amazing that we haven't been bombarded with people telling us we're 'satanic' or otherwise misled.

[yossarian]

Blatz, where did you learn that about archons?

[Monica]

I'm sorry Monica, the imagination is reality but it is not always the truth. The human mind is capable of simulating any reality it so chooses, as long as the conscious mind believes it. They know this, and that is why they are trying to change the collective human consciousness. They are trying to create Gandalf's Garden. If you want to help them, you should at least know the truth.

These are my friends. I talk to them every week. We do an hour-long radio show. I know their hearts. You do not. You are accusing them of fabricating the Law of One and deliberating deceiving us. You're simply wrong. That is quite bold of you, to come into our community and make such outrageous accusations!

Not to mention, that the very idea of any human, no matter how brilliant, writing the Law of One is laughable. Artura, if you had read the books, you'd know this.

[Artura]

You assume that I have not read the book. Why would I even waste my time on this if I did not read the book?

That book almost took my life. Think before you speak.

I'm sorry Monica, the imagination is reality but it is not always the truth. The human mind is capable of simulating any reality it so chooses, as long as the conscious mind believes it. They know this, and that is why they are trying to change the collective human consciousness. They are trying to create Gandalf's Garden. If you want to help them, you should at least know the truth.

These are my friends. I talk to them every week. We do an hour-long radio show. I know their hearts. You do not. You are accusing them of fabricating the Law of One and deliberating deceiving us. You're simply wrong. That is quite bold of you, to come into our community and make such outrageous accusations!

Not to mention, that the very idea of any human, no matter how brilliant, writing the Law of One is laughable. Artura, if you had read the books, you'd know this.

[Monica]

You assume that I have not read the book. Why would I even waste my time on this if I did not read the book?

I'm sorry for my wrong assumption. But it was an assumption based on observation. I can't fathom how anyone who has read the books (plural) could suggest they were written by humans. If ever there was anything that was obviously from a higher intelligence, it's the Law of One.

That book almost took my life. Think before you speak.

Book? Only 1 book?

How can a book take someone's life? The information presented is very advanced. Information is neither positive or negative. It is what one chooses to do with it, that makes the difference.

If the information wasn't appropriate for you, for whatever reason, that's fine. It's also fine to question the info in the books.

But you are making accusations about real people that are totally unfounded. Apparently you had a bad experience - I'm very sorry to hear that! - and have concluded that the Law of One isn't for you. I can understand that. But it isn't fair to Carla and Jim to use them as scapegoats for your bad experiences, by making such accusations. It's slanderous.

[Artura]

If you would like to take this offline, I'd be happy to cordially discuss this with you without affecting others in this community. I'm not trying to fight with anyone, I'm just trying to help. I also am not trying to discredit the creators of the Law of One material, I'm just trying to bring forward the dangers that will manifest in due time.

You assume that I have not read the book. Why would I even waste my time on this if I did not read the book?

That book almost took my life. Think before you speak.

Book? Only 1 book?

How can a book take someone's life? The information presented is very advanced. Information is neither positive or negative. It is what one chooses to do with it, that makes the difference.

If the information wasn't appropriate for you, for whatever reason, that's fine. It's also fine to question the info in the books.

But you are making accusations about real people that are totally unfounded. Apparently you had a bad experience - I'm very sorry to hear that! - and have concluded that the Law of One isn't for you. I can understand that. But it isn't fair to Carla and Jim to use them as scapegoats for your bad experiences, by making such accusations. It's slanderous.

[Monica]

If you would like to take this offline, I'd be happy to cordially discuss this with you without affecting others in this community. I'm not trying to fight with anyone, I'm just trying to help. I also am not trying to discredit the creators of the Law of One material, I'm just trying to bring forward the dangers that will manifest in due time.

Thank you for explaining that. Please feel free to question and discuss the Law of One material all you like. If you think it's dangerous, you are free to voice your concerns. The material can withstand all the scrutiny you'd like to throw at it. I have no issues with that. But I will fiercely defend Carla's and Jim's integrity. Please show respect to the founders of this community and leave any question of their integrity out of the conversation.

Discussion of the material may be done freely. No need to take it offline. I'm not personally interested in the conversation but jumped in only when Carla and Jim were mentioned.

Thank you for your consideration!

[Artura]

I never mentioned Carla or Jim.

If you would like to take this offline, I'd be happy to cordially discuss this with you without affecting others in this community. I'm not trying to fight with anyone, I'm just trying to help. I also am not trying to discredit the creators of the Law of One material, I'm just trying to bring forward the dangers that will manifest in due time.

Thank you for explaining that. Please feel free to question and discuss the Law of One material all you like. If you think it's dangerous, you are free to voice your concerns. The material can withstand all the scrutiny you'd like to throw at it. I have no issues with that. But I will fiercely defend Carla's and Jim's integrity. Please show respect to the founders of this community and leave any question of their integrity out of the conversation.

Discussion of the material may be done freely. No need to take it offline. I'm not personally interested in the conversation but jumped in only when Carla and Jim were mentioned.

Thank you for your consideration!

[Monica]

I never mentioned Carla or Jim.

True, but you mentioned L/L Productions as the creator of the Ra Material.

To clarify: Was I wrong in interpreting your words to mean that L/L Production was = L/L Research? Are you saying someone else "doctored" the Ra Material after Carla channeled it, or are you saying L/L Research fabricated the material to begin with?

(L/L Research = Carla + Jim, + Don until his death.)

Please correct me if I've misinterpreted you!

Just who is the "creative genius" you're referring to?

[Turtle]

That book almost took my life.

No more explanation necessary, in my opinion.

[Monica]

Here is the danger that will eventually unfold into a tragedy.

DON: As this transition continues into 4th density activation, in order to inhabit this 4th density
sphere it will be necessary for all 3rd density physical bodies to go through the process which we
refer to as death. Is this correct? (B3,92)
RA: This is correct.

In 1985 the death of a woman named Bonnie Nettles set into motion a series of events that caused 38 innocent souls to ignorantly commit suicide in order to achieve ascension into a higher realm.

Ah, if that is the source of your concern, I can put you at ease right now. None of us are planning any sort of mass suicide!!!