12/21/2012: David Wilcock, Harvest, Ra, New Age Gurus. What does it all mean?

[hogey11]

In relative terms to the 75,000 year cycle we came from, 'harvest' can very well be seen almost as an 'abrupt' moment, but that doesn't mean we need to allow things to grow.

The analogy in my mind that keeps coming to surface is a cold room and a furnace. The room is cold and it is time to turn the furnace on to warm things up (4D). The furnace is activated, but that does not mean the room is instantly warm. We have to wait as the heat fills the room first. That is where we sit; the furnace has just turned on, but its still very cold. It will get warmer. Whether the room is fully warm in 100 years, 700 years, or quicker/longer than that, that is what we are looking forward to.

Also, i brought this up in another thread, but I think it's worth bringing up because I think the 'transition' period is dependent on us. A quote I noticed the other day:

40.8 Questioner: Then what will be the time of transition on this planet from third to fourth-density?
Ra: I am Ra. This is difficult to estimate due to the uncharacteristic anomalies of this transition. There are at this space/time nexus beings incarnate which have begun fourth-density work. However, the third-density climate of planetary consciousness is retarding the process. At this particular nexus the possibility/probability vortices indicate somewhere between 100 and 700 of your years as transition period. This cannot be accurate due to the volatility of your peoples at this space/time.

We can't even be sure the transition period will last more than 100 years or less than 700 with any accuracy. The ball's in our court. How quickly are we willing to rebuild the world for the coming 4D generations? The quicker we focus on that coming to pass, the quicker we can manifest and witness it

[zenmaster]

The ball's in our court. How quickly are we willing to rebuild the world for the coming 4D generations? The quicker we focus on that coming to pass, the quicker we can manifest and witness it

So what are you waiting for?

[hogey11]

The ball's in our court. How quickly are we willing to rebuild the world for the coming 4D generations? The quicker we focus on that coming to pass, the quicker we can manifest and witness it

So what are you waiting for?

Not waiting for anything. I'm doing what I can as a individual among 7 billion more

If we choose to look at 'harvest' this way, all of the bitching and moaning is akin to a sprinter being upset that the starting gunshot went off. If anything, we should be excited to work with the new 4D energies that are and will be more and more available to us. Once we start using those energies properly, our realities will begin to shift accordingly.

[Tenet Nosce]

If we choose to look at 'harvest' this way, all of the bitching and moaning is akin to a sprinter being upset that the starting gunshot went off.

I would say it is more akin to the gunshot going off, and the sprinter bitching and moaning because they still actually have to run the race rather than having a medal awarded to them for simply making it to the starting line.

[zenmaster]

If we choose to look at 'harvest' this way, all of the bitching and moaning is akin to a sprinter being upset that the starting gunshot went off.

I would say it is more akin to the gunshot going off, and the sprinter bitching and moaning because they still actually have to run the race rather than having a medal awarded to them for simply making it to the starting line.

Seems like the general presumption of the wanderers, who are, as a whole, no more diligent in their responsibilities than the natives. Congratulating themselves that they since they are merely here, that is a testament to their unbounded love and sacrifice - but then with the 'there there, it will all be over soon and we won't have to deal with our 3D oriented distortions again'.

[Tenet Nosce]

Seems like the general presumption of the wanderers, who are, as a whole, no more diligent in their responsibilities than the natives. Congratulating themselves that they since they are merely here, that is a testament to their unbounded love and sacrifice - but then with the 'there there, it will all be over soon and we won't have to deal with our 3D oriented distortions again'.

Wherein that is the case, the wanderer(s) must have forgotten about the need for remediation and recapitulation of lessons on their own behalf.

It all goes back to the false understanding of "resonance" whereby we give ourselves permission slips to conveniently "forget" and ignore portions of an idea that make us uncomfortable and challenge our biases, while keeping only the components that support and reinforce our biases.

It could work in the other way- for example a wanderer could focus only on the need for remediation, and thus use that as a justification for engaging in negative and deprecating self-talk, i.e. never being "good enough" therefore why bother making efforts?

Or perhaps feeling like it is their responsibility to make superhuman efforts to "save the world" all the while conveniently forgetting that such an effort will never succeed so long as we haven't done the inner work.

[almostdone]

"Playing the violin", "butt-hurt" rarely works...

I wonder if the increase in vibrations have the potential to increase the burden on wanderers. After all, they are not dual activated. And deep inside, leaving the octave completely must be cause of excitement as well for the "higher ups".

[hogey11]

If we choose to look at 'harvest' this way, all of the bitching and moaning is akin to a sprinter being upset that the starting gunshot went off.

I would say it is more akin to the gunshot going off, and the sprinter bitching and moaning because they still actually have to run the race rather than having a medal awarded to them for simply making it to the starting line.

Seems like the general presumption of the wanderers, who are, as a whole, no more diligent in their responsibilities than the natives. Congratulating themselves that they since they are merely here, that is a testament to their unbounded love and sacrifice - but then with the 'there there, it will all be over soon and we won't have to deal with our 3D oriented distortions again'.

Who are you referring to, zen? Those 'upset' with the lack of an abrupt event?

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"Playing the violin", "butt-hurt" rarely works...

I agree, but if it is true, it must also be acknowledged. If we are downcast because our dreams and wants have not manifested, we have to start exploring what has manifested instead. We cannot do that if we are resentful towards the outcome. We have to start to accept things to work with them. Working with what we have in front of us is a good idea, imo

[Tenet Nosce]

Take this timely advice from the "Daily Q'uote":

We can say that if you can think only in terms of action, by all means seek the face of love in action, but know that each hour that you spend acting in manifestation of the search for love needs to be matched in twice or four times the intensity, whether in duration or in simple caring, by the seeking within of the silence.

Here is the answer, given to us in 1986. 26 years ago, before even the "Harmonic Convergence" happened.

Yet here we are in 2012. Will we take this advice now? Or does it still "not resonate"? That is the question.

Have we spent the last 26 years running around trying to "do" stuff? Trying to "save the world"? Trying to tell people about the "ascension"? Trying to heal each other with crystals? Trying to sell books and make movies? Trying to make sacred geometry into music? Trying to argue in web forums and prove our points? Trying to barricade ourselves in bunkers to survive the "zombie apocalypse"? Trying to "expose the Illuminati"? Trying to "save" our loved ones from some kind of catastrophe?

All of this action has created little actual result. It might have created a result, if we were actually fully conscious beings who already completed our spiritual homework.

Instead, it has only increased the need for "seeking within of the silence." The question is- what now? Do we kick our activity into an even higher level, expecting some kind of different result next time around? Or do we get serious about doing the inner work?

[zenmaster]

Seems like the general presumption of the wanderers, who are, as a whole, no more diligent in their responsibilities than the natives. Congratulating themselves that they since they are merely here, that is a testament to their unbounded love and sacrifice - but then with the 'there there, it will all be over soon and we won't have to deal with our 3D oriented distortions again'.

Wherein that is the case, the wanderer(s) must have forgotten about the need for remediation and recapitulation of lessons on their own behalf.

Oh no TN, it's most certainly the case that all of the potential lessons have been transcended and any discomfort is merely due to what the locals have created.

It all goes back to the false understanding of "resonance" whereby we give ourselves permission slips to conveniently "forget" and ignore portions of an idea that make us uncomfortable and challenge our biases, while keeping only the components that support and reinforce our biases.

It could work in the other way- for example a wanderer could focus only on the need for remediation, and thus use that as a justification for engaging in negative and deprecating self-talk, i.e. never being "good enough" therefore why bother making efforts?

Whatever game you want to play and however you want to justify it, the concept of making distortions conscious remains.

[Tenet Nosce]

Oh no TN, it's most certainly the case that all of the potential lessons have been transcended and any discomfort is merely due to what the locals have created.

LOL- Well if that's the case then I must be one of the more severe cases of remediation! Because I see a great deal of work in lessons yet to be done for my part.

However- it is true that the locals create much unnecessary discomfort.

Whatever game you want to play and however you want to justify it, the concept of making distortions conscious remains.

Isn't that what spiritual growth is? Would it even be possible for any kind of spiritual growth to occur apart from the noticing and balancing of distortions?

[zenmaster]

If we choose to look at 'harvest' this way, all of the bitching and moaning is akin to a sprinter being upset that the starting gunshot went off.

I would say it is more akin to the gunshot going off, and the sprinter bitching and moaning because they still actually have to run the race rather than having a medal awarded to them for simply making it to the starting line.

Seems like the general presumption of the wanderers, who are, as a whole, no more diligent in their responsibilities than the natives. Congratulating themselves that they since they are merely here, that is a testament to their unbounded love and sacrifice - but then with the 'there there, it will all be over soon and we won't have to deal with our 3D oriented distortions again'.

Who are you referring to, zen? Those 'upset' with the lack of an abrupt event?

Such as this http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=2444 .. The general idea is that wanderer's special abilities make them more prone to 'suffering' than most people here (oh, are you an 'empath') regardless of it's pathological underpinnings. And so the coddling, indulgence, and ego support through story telling. Which, if it is to be effective, must and will be projected onto our current circumstances or our potential circumstances.

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Isn't that what spiritual growth is? Would it even be possible for any kind of spiritual growth to occur apart from the noticing and balancing of distortions?

You'd think so. But then there is the appeal to regressive, non-developmental, modes of thought, such as going back to the 'ground of being' as espoused by Tolle and others. Where everyone seems to want to bask in what they refer to as the 'present' while, ironically, simultaneously complaining about unchanging conditions and projecting hopes onto the future which (as Tolle points out) does not exist.

[Tenet Nosce]

You'd think so. But then there is the appeal to regressive, non-developmental, modes of thought, such as going back to the 'ground of being' as espoused by Tolle and others. Where everyone seems to want to bask in what they refer to as the 'present' while, ironically, simultaneously complaining about unchanging conditions and projecting hopes onto the future which (as Tolle points out) does not exist.

Lately, I've been re-reading The Fourth Way by Ouspensky. I had originally encountered it around the same time I found the Ra Material, but had since set it aside.

I find it to be a very practical approach. For example, if we spend any amount of effort observing ourselves- we can very quickly arrive at a small truth. The truth is that we are not fully conscious. By keeping this truth in the forefront of our awareness as much as possible, we can actually have a chance at getting some work done. We actually have a reliable focal point to start from- something we can build upon that is self-evident and does not require placing faith in others to tell us what is true.

[zenmaster]

We actually have a reliable focal point to start from- something we can build upon that is self-evident and does not require placing faith in others to tell us what is true.

This focal point is built in. The Law of Responsibility does not go into effect without it. It is the choice to ignore it which results in the shortening of natural lifespan by 90%. Indeed people will glorify ignoring it.

[yossarian]

Funny how regression is widely regarded as progression. People want to go back to the womb and they call this evolution. They think they have fallen--from a higher density, from a nobler humanity. It's just regressive death worship and it must always make up the majority of the world's chatter, as those who love life have no need to talk about it.

Do you want to be the primordial slime, or do you want to be a genius, a hero, a conqueror, a God? Who is more in the present? The slime or the God?

[Shin'Ar]

Funny how regression is widely regarded as progression. People want to go back to the womb and they call this evolution. They think they have fallen--from a higher density, from a nobler humanity. It's just regressive death worship and it must always make up the majority of the world's chatter, as those who love life have no need to talk about it.

Do you want to be the primordial slime, or do you want to be a genius, a hero, a conqueror, a God? Who is more in the present? The slime or the God?

The state of particular being is not the real question here.

WHO, is the real question.

Thinking and speculating as fragments as though we are somehow entities ourselves, only serves to further build upon the barrier between The One and The Other.

We are not entities. We are the continuing thought process of One Entity.

[Cyan]

We are not entities. We are the continuing thought process of One Entity.

Here is where you and I differ. And I doubts its a difference we can "overcome"

[Shin'Ar]

We are not entities. We are the continuing thought process of One Entity.

Here is where you and I differ. And I doubts its a difference we can "overcome"

Overcoming our difference is not the task you have before you.

Overcoming your addiction to delusion is your struggle, and the key to evolving.

In my opinion.

[Cyan]

I agree, that that is the truth in your opinion

[Monica]

Overcoming our difference is not the task you have before you.

Agreed.

It's not about overcoming differences. It's about accepting and rejoicing in our differences.

Overcoming your addiction to delusion is your struggle, and the key to evolving.

Disagree. Ra said something about seeking love...

10.14 Questioner: For the general development of the reader of this book, could you state some of the practices or exercises to perform to produce an acceleration toward the Law of One?
Ra: I am Ra.

Exercise One. This is the most nearly centered and useable within your illusion complex. The moment contains love. That is the lesson/goal of this illusion or density. The exercise is to consciously seek that love in awareness and understanding distortions. The first attempt is the cornerstone. Upon this choosing rests the remainder of the life-experience of an entity. The second seeking of love within the moment begins the addition. The third seeking powers the second, the fourth powering or doubling the third. As with the previous type of empowerment, there will be some loss of power due to flaws within the seeking in the distortion of insincerity. However, the conscious statement of self to self of the desire to seek love is so central an act of will that, as before, the loss of power due to this friction is inconsequential.

Exercise Two. The universe is one being. When a mind/body/spirit complex views another mind/body/spirit complex, see the Creator. This is an helpful exercise.

Exercise Three. Gaze within a mirror. See the Creator.

Exercise Four. Gaze at the creation which lies about the mind/body/spirit complex of each entity. See the Creator.

The foundation or prerequisite of these exercises is a predilection towards what may be called meditation, contemplation, or prayer. With this attitude, these exercises can be processed. Without it, the data will not sink down into the roots of the tree of mind, thus enabling and ennobling the body and touching the spirit.

Many choose prayer and contemplation, and seek love, without ever piercing the veil at all, or even becoming aware that there is an illusion at all. Piercing the veil isn't a prerequisite or key to evolving in any way, though it may certainly happen along the way.

(In my opinion. )

[Tenet Nosce]

This focal point is built in. The Law of Responsibility does not go into effect without it. It is the choice to ignore it which results in the shortening of natural lifespan by 90%. Indeed people will glorify ignoring it.

Ignorance takes a lot of energy that could be put to other uses- and it would seem like the longer one goes on with an incarnation, the more energy it takes, until there is eventually none left for living.

Or we could look at it from the soul's perspective. What purpose is there in maintaining an incarnation if it is not resulting in self-awareness?

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As Shin'Ar is apt to point out- we don't really have true identity. We are a mishmash of "me"s, each with its own thoughts and desires and motivations, that often conflict directly with one another. And whichever little "me" we have identified with at a given moment- we think that is all of us. Then, in the next moment, another "me" takes control and we think that THAT is all of us.

It is like a spotlight is shining into our field of consciousness, and we keep assuming that whatever it happens to be shining on at a given moment is "I" and we forget about all the other parts it is not shining upon.

If we want to know about identity, then we must ask ourselves: Who is shining the light?

[Shin'Ar]

This focal point is built in. The Law of Responsibility does not go into effect without it. It is the choice to ignore it which results in the shortening of natural lifespan by 90%. Indeed people will glorify ignoring it.

Ignorance takes a lot of energy that could be put to other uses- and it would seem like the longer one goes on with an incarnation, the more energy it takes, until there is eventually none left for living.

Or we could look at it from the soul's perspective. What purpose is there in maintaining an incarnation if it is not resulting in self-awareness?

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As Shin'Ar is apt to point out- we don't really have true identity. We are a mishmash of "me"s, each with its own thoughts and desires and motivations, that often conflict directly with one another. And whichever little "me" we have identified with at a given moment- we think that is all of us. Then, in the next moment, another "me" takes control and we think that THAT is all of us.

It is like a spotlight is shining into our field of consciousness, and we keep assuming that whatever it happens to be shining on at a given moment is "I" and we forget about all the other parts it is not shining upon.

If we want to know about identity, then we must ask ourselves: Who is shining the light?

'ME' does like to be, on the stage, and in the spotlight.

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Many choose prayer and contemplation, and seek love, without ever piercing the veil at all, or even becoming aware that there is an illusion at all.

Many 'what' chooses prayer?

[Cyan]

This focal point is built in. The Law of Responsibility does not go into effect without it. It is the choice to ignore it which results in the shortening of natural lifespan by 90%. Indeed people will glorify ignoring it.

Ignorance takes a lot of energy that could be put to other uses- and it would seem like the longer one goes on with an incarnation, the more energy it takes, until there is eventually none left for living.

Or we could look at it from the soul's perspective. What purpose is there in maintaining an incarnation if it is not resulting in self-awareness?

---

As Shin'Ar is apt to point out- we don't really have true identity. We are a mishmash of "me"s, each with its own thoughts and desires and motivations, that often conflict directly with one another. And whichever little "me" we have identified with at a given moment- we think that is all of us. Then, in the next moment, another "me" takes control and we think that THAT is all of us.

It is like a spotlight is shining into our field of consciousness, and we keep assuming that whatever it happens to be shining on at a given moment is "I" and we forget about all the other parts it is not shining upon.

If we want to know about identity, then we must ask ourselves: Who is shining the light?

'ME' does like to be, on the stage, and in the spotlight.

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Many choose prayer and contemplation, and seek love, without ever piercing the veil at all, or even becoming aware that there is an illusion at all.

Many 'what' chooses prayer?

Wheny Mat!

PS: I'm guessing monica is referring to individuals

[Monica]

Many 'what' chooses prayer?

Many people. For example, lots of people in organized religions choose prayer and love, yet never have any awareness that they live in an illusion. It's common for Wanderers to pierce the veil, but it isn't a prerequisite for spiritual growth.

[Monica]

Just got this from Carla:

From: Carla Rueckert
Date: Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 5:51 PM
Subject: great comment from friend
To: Leal


“Can you feel the energy increasing lately? It's amazing how powerful it's getting! I get 'buzzes'...sudden surges of energy followed by a feeling of Joy and a deep sense of well-being. It's happening far more frequently too, sometimes several times a day. When that happens, I take a moment to allow it to extend Itself through me into the world. This is going to be an awesome year! The Love Light is spreading so rapidly!”

______ wrote that to me after the solstice, and I thought I’d share it with you – and feel free to share it with those who were bummed out because “nothing happened”. It happened, all right. It just wasn’t what they were expecting.

[almostdone]

Just got this from Carla:

From: Carla Rueckert
Date: Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 5:51 PM
Subject: great comment from friend
To: Leal


“Can you feel the energy increasing lately? It's amazing how powerful it's getting! I get 'buzzes'...sudden surges of energy followed by a feeling of Joy and a deep sense of well-being. It's happening far more frequently too, sometimes several times a day. When that happens, I take a moment to allow it to extend Itself through me into the world. This is going to be an awesome year! The Love Light is spreading so rapidly!”

______ wrote that to me after the solstice, and I thought I’d share it with you – and feel free to share it with those who were bummed out because “nothing happened”. It happened, all right. It just wasn’t what they were expecting.

Whatever "happened", it was not Harvest. It could mean the true start of the 4D cycle, nothing wrong with that, but even in minor 3D cycles (example the 2nd cycle where 150 harvestables ---not harvested--entities existed, "something happened":

22.10 Questioner: Approximately how many were harvestable out of that total number at the end of the cycle?

Ra: I am Ra. There were approximately 150 entities harvestable.

22.12 Questioner: What type of visit did the Confederation make to this group of 150 entities?

Ra: I am Ra. A light being appeared bearing that which may be called a shield of light. It spoke of the oneness and infinity of all creation and of those things which await those ready for harvest. It described in golden words the beauties of love as lived. It then allowed a telepathic linkage to progressively show those who were interested the plight of third density when seen as a planetary complex. It then left.

That was within 3D cycles, no 4D in streaming whatsoever...no "quantum leap" expected, yet, "something" happened.

[BrownEye]

Harvest, Rapture, Abduction, all the same to me. I don't like the idea of being removed from my comfort "zone", and I AM comfortable as a Human.

I have not come across channelings that said anything about being removed or going anywhere, other than just a higher vibration. (already there) Humanity will continue for a while, quite possibly certain genetics will become impotent while other genetics are able to continue reproducing. The evidence is already out there. Would it be hard to imagine birth control geared towards shutting off lower vibration DNA? (GMO -flu shots -chemicals) Not to mention the energies from the sun may also have this same effect.

[Parsons]

Thank you for sharing that Monica... That's the cherry on the cake for me on confirmation of what happened.

[hogey11]

That was within 3D cycles, no 4D in streaming whatsoever...no "quantum leap" expected, yet, "something" happened.

Didn't the quantum leap happen in 1936?

Questioner: I am assuming that this vibratory increase began about twenty to thirty years ago. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. The first harbingers of this were approximately forty-five of your years ago (1936), the energies vibrating more intensely through the forty-year period preceding the final movement of vibratory matter, shall we say, through the quantum leap, as you would call it.

The 'final movement of vibratory matter' would lead well into the 'first harbingers' of the 4D vibratory increase. Unless somebody can convince me i'm misunderstanding the language...

[Shin'Ar]

Many 'what' chooses prayer?

Many people. For example, lots of people in organized religions choose prayer and love, yet never have any awareness that they live in an illusion. It's common for Wanderers to pierce the veil, but it isn't a prerequisite for spiritual growth.

But what exactly are people?

What exactly are you speaking of when you say 'they', 'we' and 'I'.

You are talking about identities that do not exist.

When you say 'lots of people' you are essentially speaking about One Entity.

When you say there is no necessary reason for piercing the veil, you are essentially saying that there is no need for The One Consciousness to explore its potential opportunities and abilities.

When you think in terms of 'your temporary identity' as being The One and Only, you are deliberately and intentionally limiting spiritual growth in the same way that Pickle does.

Pickle makes no bones about stating that he has no interest in becoming anything other than human. he clearly chooses to remain trapped in one experience for the eternity of his existence.

But this is not the case in reality because 'Pickle' will cease to exist upon the demise of that form, and that field of consciousness will move on to other states of being, regardless of the delusions of 'Pickle', the temporary form.

Prerequisite? There is none. Evolution is natural process of being.