this is so amazingly painful

[TheFifty9Sound]

We had a gun amnesty in Australia in 96 after the Port Arthur massacre, and we got on fine. We have pretty strict gun laws.
I don't think guns are necessary, in any instance.

[Cyan]

Xise

You dont want to push the guntrade into the hands of the same people who already handle the military(some estimate around half to 1/4th of military end up in gangs), sex (prostitution), drugs, for many the social order and healthcare and societal structure (millions of participants.) If you push these people to be the one semi-legitimate form of gun trade, you'll have pushed everything except heavy industry trading to the gangs and to that the shadow gov.

Then you'll really see something else when something like new orleans goes down again.

[Ankh]

40.15 Questioner: Thank you. A very important concept. Does the fact that the basic vibration that we experience now is green true color or fourth-density account for the fact that there are many mental effects upon material objects that are now observable for the first time in a mass way such as the bending of metal by mind?

Ra: I am Ra. This shall be the final query in total of this working. This is not only correct but we suggest you take this concept further and understand the great number of entities with the so-called mental diseases being due to the effect of this green-ray true color upon the mental configurations of those unready mentally to face the self for the first time.

Are there any brief queries before we close?

40.16 Questioner: Just two. With respect to what you just said, would then people incarnating here by seniority of vibration who incarnate in the service-to-self path be ones who would have extreme difficulty mentally with this green ray vibration?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. It is rather the numbers who have distracted themselves and failed to prepare for this transition yet who are somewhat susceptible to its influence who may be affected.

But I guess that no Confederation explanation can still explain the feelings of confusion and thoughts of "why is this really necessary" in a satisfactory way...

This is indeed very painful, Norral. I can't understand it... Or I do understand it on logical levels. I understand what Ra is saying above, and I understand that it is a similar "catalyst" to 9/11, and here is the session where Q'uo addressed a similar confusion back then.

But as a mother to a 6 year old... I had to cry when reading about this tragedy. I can't even try to fathom what these families are going through...

May the One Infinite Creator be with them, the person who did it and his family, and this entire planet.

[BrownEye]

and here is the session where Q'uo addressed a similar confusion back then.

Within your next decade or two this transformation will have taken place. This is the time to acknowledge fully the need to learn the ways of the self, to become more and more familiar with the thoughts of the heart with an eye to working with these thoughts, to accentuating the tendency towards positivity, towards compassion, towards tolerance, towards creativity, towards hope and faith. For that which has crashed your tower of the physical world and brought it down is a very literal symbol of an archetypal process. The Matrix of the Spirit in this tarot system is called the Devil. And the Lightning-Struck Tower is the Potentiator of the Spirit. The Matrix of the Spirit is called this because those who bring light have always had a bad reputation. Lucifer is one of the names that is most telling that is used for the Devil in your culture. The roots of this word mean “light-bringer.”

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That this event would be seen and experienced as that which is catastrophic is as you have correctly surmised, a necessary culmination of those energies which have, for many of your millennia, been in motion upon your planet, and this present expression of anger and hatred is that which can be seen in one of two ways: as that which demands retribution and a continuation of those energies of which it was born, or it can be seen as the alarm which rings the alert to those observing that there is something tremendously dislocated, shall we say, in the relationship between the various members of the family of humanity upon your planet and which needs attention, which needs understanding, which needs love and compassion. So difficult is it to look beneath the surface of events to see the genesis of such that most of your peoples do not make this effort. It is far easier to rest upon the simple and quick assessment of things.

Thus this experience of the loss of life and love can be that which ignites many hearts to love, to light and to service. For each entity upon this planet can be of service in this event, for each has those with whom difficulties have arisen in the daily round of activities. Each experiences this same loss of love, and each has the power within the heart to open in love to those with whom one is in relationship. Each time that love is given instead of hate, instead of confusion, instead of reprimand, instead of ignoring, instead of walking away, then there is the magical transformation that is possible when faith and will work together in each life. Then it is possible that such an event such as this great tragedy can bring more of the peoples of this planet into an awareness of the heart of their heart, of that which wishes to be awakened, of that which each took incarnation to awaken.

There have been tragedies aplenty throughout the many millennia of human inhabitation of this planet. None before have brought this awareness of the need of love to the consciousness in a strong enough way that there was a general response of love. It may be that this event also does not draw this response. It may be that this event does indeed draw that response. As we have said, the future is liquid. It is determined moment by moment by each of the many billions of entities upon this planet. Each entity can love. Each entity can heal. Each entity can have an effect upon how this scenario plays its course.

[hogey11]

the essential point is the psychological condition of the attacker.

There is more than one essential point, but I agree with you that Adam's mental health is probably the biggest piece of the puzzle in play.

With that said, the fact that he had access to 3 automatic weapons did also play into this. It might be secondary to the mental health aspect, but let's not go 'mainstream media' on this and only go with one answer. This happened due to more than one reason.



Also, as a small aside, I was watching some TV last night and sat through 2-3 'moments of silence' or songs or what have you. During these presentation, often the names of the victims were on cards or being displayed. My wife turned to me and asked "I wonder if Adam's name is up there?" and for a moment, it kinda hit me that I bet very few are thinking about Adam without some sort of hate or anger.

I don't believe he should go without compassion, so i'm stating my love, compassion, and forgiveness to Adam Lanza. It takes a lot of pain to get to the place where he did. I hope he is released from it now, and I hope he is able to work through his karma on 'the other side'... Love to all.

[norral]

yes exactly. if i had a child with mental problems i would not keep this kind of artillery around the house. and if it was around the house no one but me could have access to it; i have a friend who has over 15 guns and is a instructor for firearms. his teenage son had no possibility of ever getting to these guns. they are kept in a safe. so the fact they were in the house and accessible to me is just plain irresponsible. sigh . but whatever the reasons for this its done . we cant undo it sadly. as a nation u would hope we would go back and examine gun ownership and how guns are handled and really get serious about it. i am not optimistic about that happening. the only reason we are even thinking about it is that the victims were little children. even the nra has shut up about this .and i am with u i dont hate or even dislike the shooter and his mom. they are human . humans do stuff that we wish they didnt do . i know i certainly do. if i look at all the stupid things i have done in this life it would fill several books ha ha. and thats if i managed to overlook a lot of stuff ha ha. life goes on. we are saddened by this but not derailed. whatever the resolution we are moving into a better world. that is unstoppable and is going to happen no matter what planned events the opposition triggers to bring us down collectively. the movement into a better world is essentially unstoppable and underailable( is that a word, spell check doesnt think so ha ha ). may we all hug our families a little closer in these day ahead and may the well being of all become more precious to all of us.

norral

[Daydreamin]

I will let y'all know if you don't already that there is A LOT of unanswered questions around this incident.


I am also sick thinking about anyone being killed let alone children.

Man in camouflage pants grabbed by police – Was suspected of being second shooter?
deadlinelive.info/2012/12/14/ct-shooting-man-in-camouflage-pa​nts-grabbed-by-police-was-suspected-of-being-second-shooter/
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Witness Describes Apparent Accomplice Arrested From Woods: Newtown Conn.
youtube.com/watch?v=zY9hOQ2h6m8

Police Dog Apprehending Man In Woods Behind School:
youtube.com/watch?v=HvyyaJpD4j4

Spokesman’s BS Sounding Story re: The Suspected Accomplice:
youtube.com/watch?v=T4pb8-Nb4p4

Shooter “Forced Way In”, But Police Can’t Say How:
youtube.com/watch?v=Csqxrk7ohj8

CTSP Spokesman Denies AP Reports Of 3 Long Guns Found Inside:
youtube.com/watch?v=bTY8T2zLuV8

Police Change Story, Found 2 More Handguns Near The Shooter
youtube.com/watch?v=C9rPeTCPIa8

Sandy Hook Elem: 3 Shooters (A CLOSE LOOK)
youtube.com/watch?v=j_fI0hm1dqY

[Monica]

I don't really expect any takers either...

I'd like to see ALL weapons eradicated from the face of the planet! And I'm hoping someday that will happen. But it will be from raised consciousness, not legislation.

In the meantime, the reason I'd rather not get into a deep discussion about gun laws is simply that there are already so many forums out there addressing that topic. It's a complex issue that's really just a symptom of the state of consciousness. The only comment I can really make at this time is that murdering people is already against the law, and criminals don't obey that law, so the likelihood of them obeying a law against guns makes about as much sense as them obeying the law about killing in the first place.

[norral]

yes its all conciousness . we can run around and pass this law and that law but the true law lies in the heart . when the conciousness raises things get better they have to. it becomes intolerable to hurt others because we realize in doing so we also hurt ourselves and we FEEL the pain in the other self that we cause. when i pray i actually pray that the conciousness of the planet should be raised. if that happens laws will become unnecessary. because we will truly truly love and value each other and will want to spend time with one another because being in each others company will bring us joy. we will be in love with one another .

norral

[BrownEye]

I am Facebook friends with Ryan Lanza

The barrier, the anonymity, the lack of accountability; all encourage the worst in people.

Analogy of the veil LoL!

[BrownEye]

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/12/...sales-soar

[Monica]

Oh wow, I almost didn't click on the link because I thought it was one of those facebook jokes.

That is really sad, that there is even such a market!

I sure am glad I homeschooled.

[caycegal]

In truth, this sort of stuff happens every day. Hundreds of children are killed in the senseless wars going on, and hundreds more are dying of poverty, starvation and/or abuse and neglect. They suffer and die without us giving them any particular thought, because the media turning their attention to these events would possibly incite enough compassion in people to lead to an end to war and poverty as we know them, and that wouldn't bode well for the hierarchical system we've got going. The way this tragedy has instantly turned into a media frenzy is fear mongering at its finest- something to turn America's eyes toward fear, hate and controversy in the face of one the greatest opportunities we will ever have to open our hearts and accept love. It is a last ditch effort to drag us down with shock and awe tactics, and I, for one, did not come this far only to give in to despair.

Yes, it's tragic, but we have the potential to make the world more than senseless tragedy by radiating love over fear- in having faith that all is and will be well. Billions of people have died in terrible ways throughout history, many of them now reincarnated here on this forum, opening their hearts in love. The world continues to turn, and the pain is only an illusion. Through forgiveness, all bonds are broken. If you really want to help the families having to deal with this, then turn your heart to love and raise the vibration of the planet we live on. Don't let this propaganda turn your eyes away from that which is at stake.

Much truth in what you say. It would be arrogant and easy for me to presume to say that these souls made a conscious sacrifice, when I have only the words of others who tell me this is so. I do think they have provided a service because, as you say, perhaps there are those who are so caught up in their day-to-day lives here in this abundant country where many of us live who are just waking up to the fact that there is a lot going on in the world they should be aware of.

[hogey11]

I think those that are making any sort of assumption of sacrifice wouldn't argue for a conscious decision, except on a 'higher self' level. I don't think the kids were lined up and eager or anything; just that their deaths were not a random event in which their higher self did not plan for. I think there is a 'plan' in place, even if it was just to impress onto us how to better evolve as a society or as a species.

[caycegal]

I think those that are making any sort of assumption of sacrifice wouldn't argue for a conscious decision, except on a 'higher self' level. I don't think the kids were lined up and eager or anything; just that their deaths were not a random event in which their higher self did not plan for. I think there is a 'plan' in place, even if it was just to impress onto us how to better evolve as a society or as a species.

I "feel" the truth in the idea that we choose much preincarnationally about our life circumstances. I don't really "understand" how to reconcile that with free will and our freedom to choose in our physical existence.

If we already know what lessons we need, then why do we need to come into these planes to learn the lessons we already know we need?

Maybe it's much more of a game than we realize.

[norral]

it just seems like on this planet so many of our experiences are so incredibly painful. thats why i cant personalize god anymore. the divine is to me an energy that i dont attribute good or evil to . it just is. and seeing the pain and the unpredictability of this life makes me less fearful not more. is today is going to be my last day on this planet let me live it fully and bravely. why worry when it is so unpredictable. live with courage and with joy , utilize the time that is given to us to help your fellow man, and if this is done when the final day comes u can leave here with no regrets.

norral

[norral]

this is a tribute to ann marie murphy, age 52, a special ed teacher who died protecting one of her students

http://scarsdale.patch.com/articles/pend...rie-murphy

[BrownEye]

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[zenmaster]

Someone said something about spreading misinformation.

[isis]

sandy hook incident an elaborate hoax? that's what they're saying. (google it)

hopefully it was!!!

[Raz]

is this version of reality an elaborate hoax? Thats what I´m feeling (meditate on it)

Hopefully it is =)