Abrupt vs gradual harvest

[Cimi]

'He' is a 'she'. Just for the record.

Ah that totally destroyed my image of "Hidden-hand" xD I was certain I picked up energies of a male. What else do you know that isn't revelead in that forum-session?

Namaste

[Aaron]

That's an interesting idea. But, it doesn't look anywhere near ready, and Q'uo did mention that another 3D planet was being prepared.

Did Ra or Q'uo ever give any indication that the new 3D planet had to be in our own solar system? I would guess no, since Earth got entities from, what, 13 different planets, and most were from outside this system.

Monica, could you point me to where Q'uo said that? I don't recall ever discovering it this far in my readings of the Q'uo sessions. And I want to compare it with godwide_void's information on the same topic.

[Spaced]

'He' is a 'she'. Just for the record.

Ah that totally destroyed my image of "Hidden-hand" xD I was certain I picked up energies of a male. What else do you know that isn't revelead in that forum-session?

Namaste

Ahh, but it is revealed, as you can see by the honorifics they chose to represent themselves:

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I'd like to add that I found the Hidden Hand material very interesting, especially the stuff about Yahweh and Lucifer.

[Oceania]

wow i thought hidden hand was a guy

[Monica]

That's an interesting idea. But, it doesn't look anywhere near ready, and Q'uo did mention that another 3D planet was being prepared.

Did Ra or Q'uo ever give any indication that the new 3D planet had to be in our own solar system? I would guess no, since Earth got entities from, what, 13 different planets, and most were from outside this system.

Monica, could you point me to where Q'uo said that? I don't recall ever discovering it this far in my readings of the Q'uo sessions. And I want to compare it with godwide_void's information on the same topic.

I don't remember the session, sorry, but I'm quite certain I read it. You might try doing a search on these terms: preparing, prepared, planet, terraformed.

[Tenet Nosce]

It says ALL are harvested, regardless of progress, signifying in my mind that that all the entities are harvested at once.. It even explains why. The planet ceases being useful for that density.

They said begins to cease...

So my scenario is: semi-cataclysmic event (on par with what happened to Atlantis according to Ra. The only people that survived on land were on the 3 highest mountains in the world because they knew the cataclysm was coming.

Are you now in one of these physical locations in preparation for survival? Have you informed many others of the impending cataclysm. Less than 3 weeks... right?

The harvest is a concept for sentient beings only, no?

Harvest is the process of transfer of entities from one sphere to another sphere, or to a different level of the same sphere. It occurs on the border between each density.

Will just live out their normal lifespan? But what about having kids after the harvest is up? Wont people notice that everyone is dying off and nobody is being born? It cant transition to the next 3rd density cycle... because this planet will be no longer viable for 3rd density beings. So people have to die off and go to a different 3rd density planet. And if its 100-700 years before the planet will be viable for 4th density positive polarity entities... So you just expect the planet to wait for everyone to naturally die off? But what about having kids after the harvest is up? Can you even have kids? They cant manifest into 3rd density vehicle bc the planet is no longer viable for that. Wont people notice that everyone is dying off and nobody is being born?

I had many of those same questions when I first came to this forum, as one can see in Harvest: Do The Math
and Post-harvest continuity of consciousness.... one can see in the latter where I went back and corrected certain errors in my thinking.

It is just something that I feel in my heart, and it doesnt feel negative at all.

Has the feeling in your heart changed since this time last year?

[Parsons]

I no longer believe any physical cataclysm will occur. That was my bias towards post apocalyptic societies due to myself experiencing that(likely just post-Atlantis destruction). I now realize this aspect of the shift is no longer necessary.

I have since refined my view of harvest down to what my logic and intuition now agree on. To simplify view, I believe the common thread of information in the Ra/Q'uo Material, the Hidden Hand material, and the godwide_void thread say in regards to harvest. The viewpoints of a gradual harvest 100-700 years from now/in duration have only tempered my viewpoint to make myself more confident in my personal views.

[zenmaster]

I have since refined my view of harvest down to what my logic and intuition now agree on.

So now you ignore what you feel in your heart?

[Tenet Nosce]

I no longer believe any physical cataclysm will occur. That was my bias towards post apocalyptic societies due to myself experiencing that(likely just post-Atlantis destruction). I now realize this aspect of the shift is no longer necessary.

Ah, yes. That is a great insight! I too have found that which I project into the future is typically something repressed or forgotten from the past.

I have since refined my view of harvest down to what my logic and intuition now agree on.

Which is...?

[Parsons]

I have since refined my view of harvest down to what my logic and intuition now agree on.

So now you ignore what you feel in your heart?

No... It is also in congruency with my logic and intuition. Actually, I thought I covered that by saying 'intuition'.

I have since refined my view of harvest down to what my logic and intuition now agree on.

Which is...?

To simplify [my] view, I believe the common thread of information in the Ra/Q'uo Material, the Hidden Hand material, and the godwide_void thread say in regards to harvest.

[Cyan]

I'm just going to throw this out here.

But what if.


No harvest?

[Parsons]

What if the clocks stopped at 11:11am?

[Cyan]

I mean, what if the harvest is something that happens to each individual as time and resources permit for them to reach such a point. IT is a process that everyone goes through, and the end result of that process is realization and acceptance that we are one (Similar to infinity) creature.

Psychology, science, philosphy, everything in our culture points to this way.

What if, after 2012-21-12 there is just no dominant culture / realistic / respectable way of saying "you and I are different separate entities entirely unique".

That harvest is kind of the evolution of the common Meme of understanding to a point where it is just natural to say that me and my neighbour are essentially one person.

It wont cause a dramatic sudden jump any more than it will lack a dramatic sudden jump. We've already advanced in a 100 years more in terms of technology and information propagation than we ever could have thought possible.

Harvest is just the word used for the echo of our own thoughts and our understanding that such an echo exists. So that if you keep putting out info (numbers) at semi-random patterns, "harvest" is when you realize that one of these arbitarily complex patterns is echoing back to you exactly as you put it out, meaning tha tyou are, in essense, observing an echo that simply illustrates that you are one.

As the mans capacity to think and grasp objects expands, this awarness becomes more and more easier to see, until, after 2012-21-12 no one will be able to deny our similarity as individuals.

Who knows. Maybe the harvest is over for the vast majority of people already, and we are just here keeping the lights on for the last stragglers who still believe we need a miracelous outside intervention, stargates and all, to get our act together.

[Tenet Nosce]

To simplify [my] view, I believe the common thread of information in the Ra/Q'uo Material, the Hidden Hand material, and the godwide_void thread say in regards to harvest.

Which is...?

[xise]

After reading the godwide thread for the first time yesterday, the idea of a personal subjectively sudden harvest resonates with me.

[Parsons]

To put it into my own words would only confuse and distort the point. I have stated multiple times (recently) what my views of harvest are. I have also posted several quotes in this thread which express my views recently. This one in particular has my current views: http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthrea...#pid102624

[Tenet Nosce]

To put it into my own words would only confuse and distort the point. I have stated multiple times (recently) what my views of harvest are. I have also posted several quotes in this thread which express my views recently. This one in particular has my current views: http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthrea...#pid102624

Yes, but your entire premise is based upon the omission of a word from that Session 6 quote. I pointed it out earlier, and you didn't respond..

All are harvested regardless of their progress, for during that time the planet itself has moved through the useful part of that dimension and begins to cease being useful for the lower levels of vibration within that density.

[Parsons]

That portion of the quote does not conflict (or add to) my viewpoint. It is simply describing why all are harvested regardless of progress.

[Aaron]

That's an interesting idea. But, it doesn't look anywhere near ready, and Q'uo did mention that another 3D planet was being prepared.

Did Ra or Q'uo ever give any indication that the new 3D planet had to be in our own solar system? I would guess no, since Earth got entities from, what, 13 different planets, and most were from outside this system.

Monica, could you point me to where Q'uo said that? I don't recall ever discovering it this far in my readings of the Q'uo sessions. And I want to compare it with godwide_void's information on the same topic.

I don't remember the session, sorry, but I'm quite certain I read it. You might try doing a search on these terms: preparing, prepared, planet, terraformed.

It's ok. I always have very little success trying to dig up something I've read in Q'uo sessions in the past. I can never seem to find the session or phrase I remember reading.

That being said... I wasn't able to find anything regarding a new 3D planet or non-graduating entities from this cycle within the archive. And I tried all kinds of terms in addition to the ones you suggested.

[Tenet Nosce]

That portion of the quote does not conflict (or add to) my viewpoint. It is simply describing why all are harvested regardless of progress.

You said:

It even explains why. The planet ceases being useful for that density.

The actual quote says:

begins to cease being useful for the lower levels of vibration within that density.

Ceasing and beginning to cease are two different things. That the ceasing has a beginning implies that it is gradual. If it were abrupt, it wouldn't make sense to speak of the ceasing as having a "beginning" or "ending" as it would all happen at once.

[Parsons]

But you are putting the magnifying glass on the portion of the sentence that is describing WHY all will be harvested regardless of progress. That is not the point of that quote, it is simply describing WHY. So that doesn't support a gradual harvest.

[Tenet Nosce]

But you are putting the magnifying glass on the portion of the sentence that is describing WHY all will be harvested regardless of progress. That is not the point of that quote, it is simply describing WHY. So that doesn't support a gradual harvest.

Sure it does.

It is totally consistent with the notion that, upon death, all will walk the "stair of light" (i.e. be harvested), regardless of progress.

[Oceania]

i guess the question on people's minds is what happens to US? not if the harvest of the PLANET is gradual, lasting 700 years with the light beginning to cease... but what happens to US on 21st? US PEOPLE NOW.

[Tenet Nosce]

i guess the question on people's minds is what happens to US? not if the harvest of the PLANET is gradual, lasting 700 years with the light beginning to cease... but what happens to US on 21st? US PEOPLE NOW.

Or even by US we tend to mean those of us in developed nations! I think this quote might be more relevant to your question:

This intelligent energy offers a type of clock. The cycles move as precisely as a clock strikes your hour. Thus, the gateway from intelligent energy to intelligent infinity opens regardless of circumstance on the striking of the hour.

At this particular space/time nexus, the question on my mind is whether there be any noticeable shift in my internal perception upon the clock-strike.

[Oceania]

i don't make a difference between nations. i mean everyone incarnate now. US. not united states.

when the clock strikes, i think it will cause a wave and it will go around the planet. but i dunno.

[zenmaster]

I have since refined my view of harvest down to what my logic and intuition now agree on.

So now you ignore what you feel in your heart?

No... It is also in congruency with my logic and intuition. Actually, I thought I covered that by saying 'intuition'.

For you an intuitive notion is the same thing as something you believe from your heart?

[Cyan]

Most people never get a first chance in life.
Very few get a second chance in life.

I've lost count at how many I'm at. What ever happens. Happens.

If i wake up tomorrow as a newborn baby at an alien world.

Then I wake up tomorrow as a newborn baby at an alien world.

I'm just glad i've grown, that i've survived, that i've thrived and that i've touched the heart of so many people. Most of all however, i'm glad for the dozens of people who've taken the time to thank me, in various forms, for helping them or saving their lives.

And i'm glad that when I am and have been in the dark, those people are not afraid to play out the archtypes of that dark part of my journey with the highest of love that their role allows. Sometimes, even more than that.

I'm just so glad that i've had literally not one or two or three tries at this, but dozens, in this body alone.

First time I brushed near death when I had pneumonia as a child and spent a week in isolation

Latest I brushed near death was when I hit "the harvest" and got "form make form fully activated"

In between those two events are literally dozens of cases where even a minor adjustement like looking left instead of right would have caused my death.

I want to live for a long time yet. But if i die tomorrow, then it is simply the end of a long song thats been carrying on and had its fair share of encores.

[Parsons]

"Something someone made up in their heart" is a metaphorical concept so I don't have a real crystal clear definition of the concept.

Look... both of you logic-hounds (TN and zm): I know you are trying to draw words out of me to "defeat" my point of view. I could do the same with your point of view, but I have almost no interest in arguing this point anymore. To me, it has become the ol' 'Coke vs Pepsi' argument. There are tons of indications in the L/L material which could indicate either viewpoints. So we will just have to wait the vast time-span of two and a half weeks to find out what happens and agree to disagree for the moment.

[zenmaster]

Look... both of you logic-hounds (TN and zm): I know you are trying to draw words out of me to "defeat" my point of view.

Then you would be incorrectly assuming the point of questioning (and presumably others that "liked" it). If we do have a different point of view then in my opinion it would be reasonable to figure out why. Why? Because you have the benefit of a totally unique development and structure of experience. Which presumably can indeed offer some new teaching. Ra was emphasized (and I agree) that it would be a very good effort to make (discerning distortions), if that matters. I personally have no problem answering questions.

[Tenet Nosce]

Look... both of you logic-hounds (TN and zm):

I wish I could get everybody together in a big room, and those who accuse me of being overly-logical on one side, and those who accuse me of being overly-intuitive on the other, and let them duke it out!

I know you are trying to draw words out of me to "defeat" my point of view.

Is that your intellect, your intuition, or your heart giving you this "knowledge"? Because whichever one it is, it is wrong. Care to take another guess at my inner motives?

So we will just have to wait the vast time-span of two and a half weeks to find out what happens and agree to disagree for the moment.

Please- and I do mean this with all sincerity- do come back and join us here if the next 2.5 weeks go by without whatever you are expecting to occur (still not sure what that is) actually happening. I would still be interested in learning more about your perspective at that time.

I was bummed last year when unity100 checked out of the forum right before the 28 October 2011 "harvest" date. All that empassioned discussion leading up to it, and nothing to say for himself afterwards. Big missed teach/learning opportunity for all of us...