Going to fourth density? Or fifth?

[zenmaster]

The "opening of the gateway" is a response to the conditions available for the form-maker body. It is not an event.

The "changing of conditions" is an event. Any sort of motion is an event.

Yes it can be identified as such, but if you remember this "event" was stated in the context of the "ascension" harvest a la popularized by DW (and others) - as one occurring in immediate 3D space/time with associated instantaneous results on body.

[Tenet Nosce]

The "opening of the gateway" is a response to the conditions available for the form-maker body. It is not an event.

The "changing of conditions" is an event. Any sort of motion is an event.

Yes it can be identified as such, but if you remember this "event" was stated in the context of the "ascension" harvest a la popularized by DW (and others) - as one occurring in immediate 3D space/time with associated instantaneous results on body.

Right, the "transmogrification" idea. I have discussed elsewhere the specific of where "ascension" ala DW departs from what is actually in the Ra Material.

What I am trying to get at is that, in response to this notion of "ascension" you have offered the notion that "nothing at all happens." Something has to actually happen in order for there to be a change in context.

[zenmaster]

The "opening of the gateway" is a response to the conditions available for the form-maker body. It is not an event.

The "changing of conditions" is an event. Any sort of motion is an event.

Yes it can be identified as such, but if you remember this "event" was stated in the context of the "ascension" harvest a la popularized by DW (and others) - as one occurring in immediate 3D space/time with associated instantaneous results on body.

Right, the "transmogrification" idea. I have discussed elsewhere the specific of where "ascension" ala DW departs from what is actually in the Ra Material.

What I am trying to get at is that, in response to this notion of "ascension" you have offered the notion that "nothing at all happens." Something has to actually happen in order for there to be a change in context.

As an event or a happening, what happens to a plant when missing soil nutrients are added?

[hogey11]

Yes it can be identified as such, but if you remember this "event" was stated in the context of the "ascension" harvest a la popularized by DW (and others) - as one occurring in immediate 3D space/time with associated instantaneous results on body.

I don't think he's still so caught up on the whole 'transmogrified' body as much anymore...

This is the last thing said from David on this. His own understandings seem to be quite fluid right now, which is something I can identify with. I don't think any of us can be too sure anymore. Strange times

IT WILL MAKE THINGS A LOT EASIER

The number of people who are negative enough to be moved onto another timeline could be so small that we may not realize anything has happened at first.

However, I do believe that if this is the correct interpretation, it will be much easier to conduct mass arrests after this has happened.

There is ever-increasing evidence in mainstream media that things are already moving in that direction -- including the BBC pedophilia scandal, the LIBOR scandal, major lawsuits against the banks for mortgage fraud, et cetera.

The dreams I am having in my own life, and the relative speed with which historical events need to happen, has convinced me that all of this stuff couldn't possibly happen just between now and December 21st.

This also explains why there is a "100 to 700-year transition period" after this "quantum leap," according to the Law of One.

The "Harvest" has already started. The Bible prophecy of the plucking of the tares from the wheat has been going on since UFOs began powering down nuclear missile installations in the 1940s.

It has dramatically increased since August 2011 -- and in the early stages, many of these events were quite visible and public, as I have written in many earlier articles.

To myself, this sounds like he expects our world and the 'here and now' to continue past December 21st, 2012, and he doesn't seem to be referencing any new 'super powers' we'll all have either. Yes, David hung his hat on the 'ascension' idea in the past, and I don't think that's crazy considering Jesus and many other great spiritual leaders left this world through that interpreted action or definition of action. Thinking that our own move towards 4D+ might be similar isn't completely illogical.

In this last article, David seems to be seeing the 'harvest' not so much as a granting of abilities or changing of bodies anymore. Instead, the argument is that the harvest relates to a removal of hindrances more so than any granting of power. The field will be picked of the tares so that the wheat may finish growing and be good for the harvest. This could very well manifest as the start of the harvest being the 1937 event that Ra spoke of, whereby the 'harvest process' of removing the tares of negativity have been slowly picked out and removed over time. 12/21/2012 could be the completion of those tares being pulled, and the 2100-2700 period could contain the moment of 'full instreaming' where the harvest of the good wheat is also completed (full formation of the 4D sphere). That's just an interpretation off the top of my head tho...

[zenmaster]

"Everyone is right" hogey, I don't think we are "hung up" on that. We're talking about ideas in the sense of their correspondence to principles of nature, not about beliefs or even someone's integrity vs their flakiness.

[Tenet Nosce]

hogey- Forgive me if this is presumptuous, but you haven't been reading Wilcock's works all along, have you? If you don't mind me asking- when did you start reading them?

[hogey11]

The process could very well manifest as the start of the harvest being the 1936 date that Ra spoke of, whereby the 'harvest process' of removing the tares of negativity by the 'angels' begins. The 12/21/2012 could be the completion of those tares of negativity being pulled. The 2036-2636 period could contain the moment of 'full instreaming' where the harvest of the 'good wheat' is completed (full formation of the 4D sphere), leading to the 4D+ earth being at large and in charge

What do you think about this? Do you entertain the idea of the guardians removing STS negatives that would seek to disrupt the harvest process (tares that would make the harvest taste bad)? It in in agreement with your idea that nothing really tangible will happen come December 21st or whatever date it is we're arguing. Or do you think its an unnecessary job in that mortality will take care of the 'harvest process' naturally?

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hogey- Forgive me if this is presumptuous, but you haven't been reading Wilcock's works all along, have you? If you don't mind me asking- when did you start reading them?

I started with Wilcock in early 2011 I believe. I went into his archives a bit once I started reading him, but I am fairly new to the David Wilcock party.

My biggest connection with David is that he pointed me to the Law of One and is very much responsible for me finding it and actually reading it. For this, I defend him far more than I probably should I will admit a bias towards him, but I also do appreciate and enjoy his research on geopolitics and I found the TSFI a pretty novel read. I respect him for what he does.

I will also say this: you won't see me paying for one of his conferences. I did buy his book in hardcover tho

[zenmaster]

The process could very well manifest as the start of the harvest being the 1936 date that Ra spoke of, whereby the 'harvest process' of removing the tares of negativity by the 'angels' begins. The 12/21/2012 could be the completion of those tares of negativity being pulled. The 2036-2636 period could contain the moment of 'full instreaming' where the harvest of the 'good wheat' is completed (full formation of the 4D sphere), leading to the 4D+ earth being at large and in charge

What do you think about this? Do you entertain the idea of the guardians removing STS negatives that would seek to disrupt the harvest process (tares that would make the harvest taste bad)?

Full instreaming to me is the "quantum leap". An idea of guardians removing STS seems to be yet more of the (ad-nauseam) self serving, fanciful bias (and a violation of free will). Entertainment and story value seems to be the primary focus there. More plausible for "STS" removal is very simply the lack of available catalyst at lower vibrations.

[reeay]

What does 'quantum leap' mean?

[Tenet Nosce]

Do you entertain the idea of the guardians removing STS negatives that would seek to disrupt the harvest process (tares that would make the harvest taste bad)?

No. STS negatives do not want to disrupt the harvest process, as they are seeking harvest themselves. The whole notion is based upon the distortion of ego deprecation/aggrandizement.

Why would the "STS negatives" be so concerned with what the "STO positives" are doing? Why would either "side" be trying to "stop" the other side? Wouldn't that be restricting free will?

I started with Wilcock in early 2011 I believe. I went into his archives a bit once I started reading him, but I am fairly new to the David Wilcock party.

Ah... Well then you have missed a lot! The false prophecies stretch back over a decade...

My biggest connection with David is that he pointed me to the Law of One and is very much responsible for me finding it and actually reading it.

Yes, me too actually. He is also responsible for a great deal of confusion on my part, for having assumed his restatements of the material are actually true.

So... having read the material now don't you see the difference between what it actually says and what David has been saying it says in his blog posts? For example, the word "ascension" does not even appear once.

I found the TSFI a pretty novel read... I did buy his book in hardcover tho

I think it is interesting that he has put so much time and effort into "ascension," "disclosure," "insider testimony," and the "Illuminati." I find it detracts from his credibility as a person and therefore, from the credibility of his work. I actually tend to see it as a distraction and a successfully executed manipulation tactic.

Which is unfortunate- because I think he has done a great job of drawing together enough scientific evidence to start posing some serious questions about the legitimacy of a "source field" concept. As it stands now, it will probably have to be reintroduced elsewhere before any real scientists actually start considering it.

[zenmaster]

What does 'quantum leap' mean?

A transdimensional jump. Each density is discrete and therefore a quantum.

"40.10 Questioner: I am assuming that this vibratory increase began about twenty to thirty years ago. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. The first harbingers of this were approximately forty-five of your years ago, the energies vibrating more intensely through the forty-year period preceding the final movement of vibratory matter, shall we say, through the quantum leap, as you would call it."

"40.11 Questioner: Starting then, forty-five years ago, and taking the entire increase of vibration that we will experience in this density change, approximately what percentage through this increase in vibrational change are we right now?

Ra: I am Ra. The vibratory nature of your environment is true color, green. This is at this time heavily over-woven with the orange ray of planetary consciousness. However, the nature of quanta is such that the movement over the boundary is that of discrete placement of vibratory level."


"82.12...The lessons of third density are predestined by the very nature of the vibratory rates experienced during this particular density and by the nature of the quantum jump to the vibratory experiences of fourth density...."

[hogey11]

51.1 Questioner: As we begin Book Three of The Law of One there are a couple of questions of fairly non-transient importance that I have and one that I consider to be of a transient nature that I feel obligated to ask.

The first is clearing up the final point about harvest. I was wondering if there is a supervision over the harvest and if so, why this supervision is necessary and how it works since an entity’s harvestability is determined by the violet ray? Is it necessary for entities to supervise the harvest, or is it automatic?
Ra: I am Ra. In time of harvest there are always harvesters. The fruit is formed as it will be, but there is some supervision necessary to ensure that this bounty is placed as it should be without the bruise or the blemish.

There are those of three levels watching over harvest.

The first level is planetary and that which may be called angelic. This type of guardian includes the mind/body/spirit complex totality or higher self of an entity and those inner plane entities which have been attracted to this entity through its inner seeking.

The second class of those who ward this process are those of the Confederation who have the honor/duty of standing in the small places at the edge of the steps of light/love so that those entities being harvested will not, no matter how confused or unable to make contact with their higher self, stumble and fall away for any reason other than the strength of the light. These Confederation entities catch those who stumble and set them aright so that they may continue into the light.

The third group watching over this process is that group you call the Guardians. This group is from the octave above our own and serves in this manner as light bringers. These Guardians provide the precise emissions of light/love in exquisitely fastidious disseminations of discrimination so that the precise light/love vibration of each entity may be ascertained.

Thus the harvest is automatic in that those harvested will respond according to that which is unchangeable during harvest. That is the violet-ray emanation. However, these helpers are around to ensure a proper harvesting so that each entity may have the fullest opportunity to express its violet-ray selfhood.

What would hinder an entity from having the fullest opportunity to express its violet-ray self? If there were entities who were getting in the way, does that not mean they will be removed or hindered themselves by the 'helpers'? Or is this unrelated?

[Tenet Nosce]

What does 'quantum leap' mean?

A transdimensional jump. Each density is discrete and therefore a quantum.

"40.10 Questioner: I am assuming that this vibratory increase began about twenty to thirty years ago. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. The first harbingers of this were approximately forty-five of your years ago, the energies vibrating more intensely through the forty-year period preceding the final movement of vibratory matter, shall we say, through the quantum leap, as you would call it."

"40.11 Questioner: Starting then, forty-five years ago, and taking the entire increase of vibration that we will experience in this density change, approximately what percentage through this increase in vibrational change are we right now?

Ra: I am Ra. The vibratory nature of your environment is true color, green. This is at this time heavily over-woven with the orange ray of planetary consciousness. However, the nature of quanta is such that the movement over the boundary is that of discrete placement of vibratory level."


"82.12...The lessons of third density are predestined by the very nature of the vibratory rates experienced during this particular density and by the nature of the quantum jump to the vibratory experiences of fourth density...."

Wouldn't we normally consider a "quantum jump" between two discrete densities to be something rather sudden and noticeable? How do you reconcile the notion of a "quantum jump" with a <700-year "transition period" with no overtly detectable onset or completion?

[hogey11]

@Tenet

I understand what you are saying and where you are coming from as a Law of One purist, but from a more general perspective, I still find the concept of ascension fascinating due to the various reports, historical and otherwise, that coincide with the phenomenon. Whether its Jesus 'ascending' to heaven (leaving 3D sphere) or tibetan monks dissolving to light and leaving weird ectoplasm behind, I can't say one way or another if it plays into things or not.

I think David is a scholar of the Law of One, but I don't think he is exclusively that. I think we all draw from our breadth of knowledge and David is no different; I'd imagine his ascension 2000 or whatever phase probably greatly attributed to that distortion (if it is one ).

I think it is interesting that he has put so much time and effort into "ascension," "disclosure," "insider testimony," and the "Illuminati." I find it detracts from his credibility as a person and therefore, from the credibility of his work. I actually tend to see it as a distraction and a successfully executed manipulation tactic.

I kinda disagree. I understand why people get disillusioned with those topics, but I think it's all part of the puzzle. Being aware from a global perspective means you have to inspect the warts and the things that don't look pretty. If you are willing to do this, certain things become very clear and obvious, and unfortunately STS control is one of these things. I get sick of people stopping the train there and assuming that the only thing that comes from these things is fear, cowardice, laziness, and delusions. I'm the type of person who when I have cancer, I want to know I have cancer. I want to do everything I can to get rid of that cancer, but I can't fix anything if i'm ignorant of it. Another analogy is that of a shepherd - I want to know where the wolf lies so that I might protect my flock. So are these things so bad when we have the opposite side of the spectrum in the Mainstream Media? Why can't there be some push back?

[zenmaster]

What would hinder an entity from having the fullest opportunity to express its violet-ray self?

I'd imagine if the entity was not fully "present", being distracted with residual attachments.

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Wouldn't we normally consider a "quantum jump" between two discrete densities to be something rather sudden and noticeable?

Yes.

How do you reconcile the notion of a "quantum jump" with a <700-year "transition period" with no overtly detectable onset or completion?

Not sure where the disparity is in what you are suggesting.

[Tenet Nosce]

Law of One purist

What do you mean by that?

I still find the concept of ascension fascinating due to the various reports, historical and otherwise, that coincide with the phenomenon. Whether its Jesus 'ascending' to heaven (leaving 3D sphere) or tibetan monks dissolving to light and leaving weird ectoplasm behind, I can't say one way or another if it plays into things or not.

Ascension is a fascinating concept. But what does it have to do with the Law of One/Ra Material? What you are missing about DW is that he rests his entire mythos upon projections that the Ra Material says certain things that it does not actually say.

He redefines "harvest" as "ascension" and in doing so incorporates a fair amount of projection and speculation. Which would be fine- except when it is not explicitly noted what is speculation and what are facts.

STS control is one of these things.

Drawing attention to themselves is a means of STS control.

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Wouldn't we normally consider a "quantum jump" between two discrete densities to be something rather sudden and noticeable?

Yes.

How do you reconcile the notion of a "quantum jump" with a <700-year "transition period" with no overtly detectable onset or completion?

Not sure where the disparity is in what you are suggesting.

Are you saying that what we would perceive to be the passing of 700-ish years in a 3D/4D hybrid sphere is actually the "quantum leap" itself? In other words, "quantum leap" and "transitional period" are synonymous in your view?

[zenmaster]

Are you saying that what we would perceive to be the passing of 700-ish years in a 3D/4D hybrid sphere is actually the "quantum leap" itself? In other words, "quantum leap" and "transitional period" are synonymous in your view?

No.

[Tenet Nosce]

Are you saying that what we would perceive to be the passing of 700-ish years in a 3D/4D hybrid sphere is actually the "quantum leap" itself? In other words, "quantum leap" and "transitional period" are synonymous in your view?

No.

What is the difference between these two concepts? How long does it take for the "quantum leap" to occur, and what would be the evidence that it has occurred?

[hogey11]

What do you mean by that?

I was acknowledging your point that ascension is not included by Ra in the Law of One at any point. From a pure Law of One standpoint, David's not making much sense with the terms and expressions he's chosen to use in his concepts. I didn't mean to imply any undue rigidity on your part

As far as the ascension topic, I guess that's where I'm not sure he still feels that way. I do agree it's dangerous to conflate concepts like he has at times. I personally haven't experienced the backlash from things like that, but I can empathize. As mentioned before, maybe his whole 'ascension 2000' thing he concocted created a bias towards the ascension concept; I don't know.

I would never argue that David doesn't participate on the STS side of the spectrum as we all do. He does. I do too.

[reeay]

I understood Ra's comment, not as a confirmation of abrupt changes in a short period of time but as the grand scale in magnitude of development that one may experience within a period of time.

[Tenet Nosce]

I would never argue that David doesn't participate on the STS side of the spectrum as we all do. He does. I do too.

It's interesting you would put it that way. I don't really see it as "STS behavior" on his part... just an imbalanced blue ray activity that results in the attraction of much unwanted yellow-ray catalyst.

111 Thread Redirect ---> David Wilcock illuminati?

I dunno. I'm not inside DW's mind (nor would I want to be) but I still think he has gone too far from his roots. He repeatedly claims the Law of One to be his entire philosophical basis- but then makes predictions that contradict it and ignores certain parts entirely with his writing.

As I said before, I don't think that DW=Illuminati. I think he is a very courageous soul who wanted to delve deeply into negativity- and simply that he isn't quite as immune to its more insidious influences as he may think.

I have a feeling that if he would disconnect himself from a near constant barrage of "insider" information that he is being fed, he would perhaps recall a few important things that he has forgotten:

This from his latest post: Disclosure Imminent? Two Underground NWO Bases Destroyed

THE BIG PICTURE

As I wrote in the previous article, The Source Field Investigations paints a "big picture" that is quite an adjustment for the average person... but is nonetheless backed up with extensive evidence:

• DNA is a product of a quantum energy wave, and is written into the basic laws of the Universe; Sweet.
  
  
• The laws that govern the formation of life on Earth also govern the behavior of matter and energy in the Cosmos; Awesome.
  
  
• The human design is intrinsic to this galaxy, and probably a good bit of the entire Universe; Eh... maybe. The human design is intrinsic to this Solar Logos... I believe there is a much wider array in the sphere of the Galactic Logos. I believe Ra said something like 5% would look like earth humans.
  
  
• Other humans have progressed much, much farther, spiritually and technologically, than we have; Yes.
  
  
• Those humans colonized Earth in the times of Atlantis, and their skulls reveal brain capacities significantly larger than ours; The second part is fact; the first part is highly debatable. Personally, I wouldn't use the word "colonized" nor would I refer to the "time of Atlantis".
  
  
• These people were largely wiped out by a self-inflicted cataclysm caused by nuclear war between rival colonies; Possibly. We do not have all the information here. We do have evidence of nuclear war in the past. I think it would be wise to realize that, from a soul perspective, there are many survivors of nuclear war- from ALL sides of the fence.
  
  
• The survivors built pyramids to heal and stabilize the Earth on its axis in the aftermath of this catastrophe; Um. Actually, no. I don't believe this is what Ra said.
  
  
• They had direct knowledge of a natural cycle that propels each inhabited planet through quantum evolutionary leaps; "They" meaning who? Who taught them this? 6D entities taught them this. He is leaving this out of the explanation. And before anybody says well he just doesn't want to "freak people out" pardon me but a network of global elite planning the destruction of the human race is much more "troubling" than 6D entities sharing the Law of One.
  
  
• They were aware of a physical gland in the human brain that governs ESP and is "activated" by this natural cycle; Who is THEY, DW. Who is THEY? This carries through for the next three statements as well. But besides this, the part about the pineal gland becoming active is highly interesting, and relevant.
  
  
• They knew this galaxy-driven cycle had an exact end-point, measurable by a 25,920-year wobble on any inhabited planet; No, this is not on any inhabited planet. He is confabulating here based on divergent accounts, rather than presenting a clear explanation.
  
  
• They extensively encoded prophecies of this cycle, and its ultimate effects, in dozens of ancient myths worldwide; Right.
  
  
• They honor the Law of Free Will through most of a planet's evolution, but are allowed to re-appear at the end of a cycle; Wait. Who? The "aliens"?? Any old aliens?? What about the "gods" of the Golden Age. Are they coming back? Which ones? The Olympian gods? The Titans? Mother Gaia? Who?
  
  
• The completion of the cycle creates an energetic springboard that gives humans remarkable "Ascended" abilities; Nope. This is not what is stated in the Ra material. Take it from somebody who likes to project 6D abilities into 4D. They aren't there. I have myself been corrected on this several times.
  
  And he is completely leaving out repeat of 3D. He is not telling the truth. Everybody doesn't "make it" and for somebody right now on the edge- this may actually have a depolarizing effect.
  
  
• World governments are utterly incapable of interfering with this process, regardless of what they may try to do. No they are not utterly incapable of interfering. They have been interfering, and continue to interfere. It is folly to call the battle "won" before it is actually won. When world governments stop interfering, that is when they will be no longer capable. Otherwise, there will be some measure of interference.
  
  

So, just sayin'. It isn't an attempt to cut DW down. It is just my observations.

Speaking of prophecies... did you catch the one in my post? It actually came true!

I have a feeling that if he would disconnect himself from a near constant barrage of "insider" information that he is being fed, he would perhaps recall a few important things that he has forgotten:

Maybe I should write a book about it.

[zenmaster]

Are you saying that what we would perceive to be the passing of 700-ish years in a 3D/4D hybrid sphere is actually the "quantum leap" itself? In other words, "quantum leap" and "transitional period" are synonymous in your view?

No.

What is the difference between these two concepts? How long does it take for the "quantum leap" to occur, and what would be the evidence that it has occurred?

Quantum leap is when the planet is 4D "magnetized" for local use of 4D vibration. I'd expect that to not be transitional. The transitional period is where the sub-sub-logos makes use of the vibration through the corresponding level of consciousness.

[Tenet Nosce]

Quantum leap is when the planet is 4D "magnetized" for local use of 4D vibration.

When, relative to now, would you expect that to occur?

I'd expect that to not be transitional.

What would be the evidence that the "quantum leap" had occurred?

[zenmaster]

Quantum leap is when the planet is 4D "magnetized" for local use of 4D vibration.

When, relative to now, would you expect that to occur?

I think the approx 30-year from 1981 date to be the expected time. The Dec 21st thing could indeed be it.

I'd expect that to not be transitional.

What would be the evidence that the "quantum leap" had occurred?

Do you do energy work on chakras? Do you notice the accompanying psychological effects? The "vibration" is obviously primary to the mind which makes use of it. However, there is no experience without mind. Therefore any evidence is going to be based on the awareness of its effect on mind.

[Tenet Nosce]

Therefore any evidence is going to be based on the awareness of its effect on mind.

What do you think are the chances of us being here in this forum a year from now arguing about whether or not the "quantum leap" happened? What about effects to the body? Any evidence to be gleaned there?

[zenmaster]

Therefore any evidence is going to be based on the awareness of its effect on mind.

What do you think are the chances of us being here in this forum a year from now arguing about whether or not the "quantum leap" happened?

It could be rather high, as many things which are both subjective and subtle tend to not be amenable to validation unless shared with some kind of effable contrast being available between prior and new experience. I think it would depend on whether the 4D vibration itself caused 3D mind (and lower) to "shift" instantly a la "the grosser or less dense materials will be pulled into conformation with the denser and lighter energies which give your Logos its proceedings through the realms of experience." or if the 4D vibration, being a discrete density, was more isolated to 4D development with that mind then affecting 3D over the transitional period. To me it marks the baseline where we are able to mold that potential sphere of influence with our thoughts - esp those of the higher vibration.

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What about effects to the body? Any evidence to be gleaned there?

I can't see any effects on the body other than what the longer term transitional period provides, and the general effect of mind on body (emotions) being accelerated due to new awareness.

[BlatzAdict]

we're going to the 4th spiritual density
not the 5th

or at least that is where earth is going

also people mistake 4d for time..

while it takes longer to get to 5D

do we refer to 1 D and 2d as anything else but the plants and animals? do we also refer to time as a level of existence, a living being? perhaps we can someday. but it does not fall within the criteria for soul evolution and the mirroring of physical vessels to match the identity or level of awareness of the soul.

[Tenet Nosce]

Full instreaming to me is the "quantum leap"... More plausible for "STS" removal is very simply the lack of available catalyst at lower vibrations.

But I thought you are still expecting to see the "sharp increase" in negativity over the "short run" following the "quantum leap"?

Questioner: I am assuming that this vibratory increase began about twenty to thirty years ago. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. The first harbingers of this were approximately forty-five of your years ago, the energies vibrating more intensely through the forty-year period preceding the final movement of vibratory matter, shall we say, through the quantum leap, as you would call it."

If the "quantum leap" represents the "final movement of vibratory matter" then, how is it that this movement continues beyond the "quantum leap" for several generations- up to 700 years? That doesn't sound very "final" to me.

[zenmaster]

Full instreaming to me is the "quantum leap"... More plausible for "STS" removal is very simply the lack of available catalyst at lower vibrations.

But I thought you are still expecting to see the "sharp increase" in negativity over the "short run" following the "quantum leap"?

The quantum leap doesn't do anything but provide more opportunity to make use of that vibration. It is the use of the vibration which accelerates the formation of 4D.

If the "quantum leap" represents the "final movement of vibratory matter" then, how is it that this movement continues beyond the "quantum leap" for several generations- up to 700 years? That doesn't sound very "final" to me.

Imagine everything resonating at that frequency snapping into place, aligning to the local "matrix". This is the quantum leap. Yet there is little use of it due to lack of concerted effort and relative dominance of the 3D mindset. When used by like-resonating mind, the sphere begins to form. As "body is the creature of the minds creation" the particles of the body just like the patterns of the mind, are directly tied to this sphere.

Imagine now that the sphere is only partially activated (it doesn't fully exist yet). It takes quite a long while to activate and when it does, there will also be fully 4D beings (without transitional bodies). Do you understand?

[Monica]

As far as I'm aware, I haven't seen this discussed much in the forum...

What about all these sources now saying that the earth is headed to fifth density, rather than fourth? Simply different terminology? Did we "jump a timeline"? Or skip ahead? Have we unknowingly been in fourth density yet in some kind of 3D matrix program? All just a bunch of BS?

I'm coming into this discussion late, so my point may have already been made.

They're referring to the 5th dimension but are using our term density.

Density and dimension are 2 different things, but many people use the terms interchangeably.