Going to fourth density? Or fifth?

[reeay]

If only.

Maybe in your lifetime...

[hogey11]

People have had some really strange and eccentric notions of exaltation and intervention though, which have in a fool-proof manner reflected imbalance and perverted ideologies.

In your opinion

[Tenet Nosce]

What of this?

Questioner: I would like to continue with the questions about the fact that in fourth-density the red, orange, and green energies will be activated; yellow, blue, etc. being in potentiation. Right now, we have green energies activated. They have been activated for the last 45 years. I am wondering about the transition through this period so that the green is totally activated and the yellow is in potentiation. What will we lose as the yellow goes from activation into potentiation, and what will we gain as green comes into total activation, and what is the process?

Ra: I am Ra. It is misleading to speak of gains and losses when dealing with the subject of the cycle’s ending and the green-ray cycle beginning upon your sphere. It is to be kept in the forefront of the faculties of intelligence that there is one creation in which there is no loss. There are progressive cycles for experiential use by entities. We may now address your query.

As the green-ray cycle or the density of love and understanding begins to take shape the yellow-ray plane or Earth which you now enjoy in your dance will cease to be inhabited for some period of your space/time as the space/time necessary for fourth-density entities to learn their ability to shield their density from that of third is learned. After this period there will come a time when third density may again cycle on the yellow-ray sphere.

Meanwhile there is another sphere, congruent to a great extent with yellow ray, forming. This fourth-density sphere coexists with first, second, and third. It is of a denser nature due to the rotational core atomic aspects of its material. We have discussed this subject with you.

The fourth-density entities which incarnate at this space/time are fourth density in the view of experience but are incarnating in less dense vehicles due to desire to experience and aid in the birth of fourth density upon this plane.

You may note that fourth-density entities have a great abundance of compassion.

With specific respect to the emboldened part, how does this process appear to an incarnated observer on earth?

[hogey11]

Whoa. I've never read it like that, Tenet.

As the green-ray cycle or the density of love and understanding begins to take shape the yellow-ray plane or Earth which you now enjoy in your dance will cease to be inhabited for some period of your space/time

The '3D world' of confusion goes away for a set amount of time...

as the space/time necessary for fourth-density entities to learn their ability to shield their density from that of third is learned.

... while 4D folks sort out how to coexist with the "3D world" without ruining it for everyone.

To an incarnated observer, I have a hard time not seeing this as a 'transition period' purely geared towards the 4D inhabitants of earth. For me, the question then becomes 'can a 3D body survive in 4D space/time?'

Could the quote be saying that while 4D 'sets in', everyone is forced to deal with 4D space/time regardless of 3D or 4D body? Or do 3D folk just 'blip out' due to incompatibility? This could be a little more support for the idea of an 'abrupt graduation' (my new term for wanting my cake and eating it too).

I guess I kinda see it as a shot of tough luck for those who still are working with 3D catalyst at the 'striking of the clock', whenever that happens to be I'm not sure tho if this is to be interpreted as a sudden/abrupt aspect where there will be a moment where everything changes to 4D or if it means it in a very gradual manner over a period of time. I will say that 'begins to take shape' is not the most precise of indicators to use.

[Tenet Nosce]

... and what of this?

Questioner: Then at some time in the future the fourth-density sphere will be fully activated. What is the difference between full activation and partial activation for this sphere?

Ra: I am Ra. At this time the cosmic influxes are conducive to true-color green core particles being formed and material of this nature thus being formed. However, there is a mixture of the yellow-ray and green-ray environments at this time necessitating the birthing of transitional mind/body/spirit complex types of energy distortions. At full activation of the true-color green density of love the planetary sphere will be solid and inhabitable upon its own and the birthing that takes place will have been transformed through the process of time, shall we say, to the appropriate type of vehicle to appreciate in full the fourth-density planetary environment. At this nexus the green-ray environment exists to a far greater extent in time/space than in space/time.

If "full activation" is about to occur, then where is this "solid and inhabitable" sphere? And where is the "appropriate type of vehicle to appreciate in full the fourth-density planetary environment"?

If newly graduating entities being born into the 4D sphere have not yet learned to shield themselves from 3D, then wouldn't we be seeing them right about now?

[hogey11]

If newly graduating entities being born into the 4D sphere have not yet learned to shield themselves from 3D, then wouldn't we be seeing them right about now?

I think they are transitionals and exist in both spheres as they develop. I feel this might make some sense if you see the 3D/4D body being different ways of wielding the human body/consciousness. We know that the 3D and 4D body are fundamentally different, but do we know for sure they are still not the same 'form' to a certain degree? Can the 3D body evolve into the 4D body? Does the 'more electrical in nature' body refer to a greater usage of the brain? I wonder if it might be able to short-circuit aspects of our chemical biology and shut certain organs off. After time with no use, they may shrink or go away as the body instructs. I brought this up earlier and some pointed out the greater definition of 'electricity' as Ra stated and that could play into this as well, making this all ridiculous .

I guess the basic question that kinda sits below everything in my working idea here is whether 3D and 4D share space/time or if they each have their own 'stage', so to say...?

[zenmaster]

As the green-ray cycle or the density of love and understanding begins to take shape the yellow-ray plane or Earth which you now enjoy in your dance will cease to be inhabited for some period of your space/time as the space/time necessary for fourth-density entities to learn their ability to shield their density from that of third is learned.

With specific respect to the emboldened part, how does this process appear to an incarnated observer on earth?

No 3D incarnated to observe by that point.

---

... and what of this?

Questioner: Then at some time in the future the fourth-density sphere will be fully activated. What is the difference between full activation and partial activation for this sphere?

Ra: I am Ra. At this time the cosmic influxes are conducive to true-color green core particles being formed and material of this nature thus being formed. However, there is a mixture of the yellow-ray and green-ray environments at this time necessitating the birthing of transitional mind/body/spirit complex types of energy distortions. At full activation of the true-color green density of love the planetary sphere will be solid and inhabitable upon its own and the birthing that takes place will have been transformed through the process of time, shall we say, to the appropriate type of vehicle to appreciate in full the fourth-density planetary environment. At this nexus the green-ray environment exists to a far greater extent in time/space than in space/time.

If "full activation" is about to occur, then where is this "solid and inhabitable" sphere? And where is the "appropriate type of vehicle to appreciate in full the fourth-density planetary environment"?

If newly graduating entities being born into the 4D sphere have not yet learned to shield themselves from 3D, then wouldn't we be seeing them right about now?

Full activation is not about to occur. That's after the "dual-activated" becomes fully 4D.

[Tenet Nosce]

Full activation is not about to occur.

Ra said the sphere becomes inhabitable on its own upon full activation. You said 4D is inhabitable now here.

[zenmaster]

Full activation is not about to occur.

Ra said the sphere becomes inhabitable on its own upon full activation. You said 4D is inhabitable now here.

"On its own", as in the 4D plane of existence when it is fully formed. There are 4D-based individuals (core-vibration 4D) here now, because the environment can partially support 4D.

[Tenet Nosce]

Full activation is not about to occur.

Ra said the sphere becomes inhabitable on its own upon full activation. You said 4D is inhabitable now here.

"On its own", as in the 4D plane of existence when it is fully formed. There are 4D-based individuals (core-vibration 4D) here now, because the environment can partially support 4D.

Are you saying that, for the time period between "full instreaming" and "full activation" there is a 3D/4D hybrid sphere just as there are 3D/4D hybrid bodies?

[zenmaster]

Full activation is not about to occur.

Ra said the sphere becomes inhabitable on its own upon full activation. You said 4D is inhabitable now here.

"On its own", as in the 4D plane of existence when it is fully formed. There are 4D-based individuals (core-vibration 4D) here now, because the environment can partially support 4D.

Are you saying that, for the time period between "full instreaming" and "full activation" there is a 3D/4D hybrid sphere just as there are 3D/4D hybrid bodies?

Yes.

[Tenet Nosce]

Are you saying that, for the time period between "full instreaming" and "full activation" there is a 3D/4D hybrid sphere just as there are 3D/4D hybrid bodies?

Yes.

When, in relation to this sequence of events, do you think is the end of the 75,000 year cycle when "all are harvested regardless of progress"?

[zenmaster]

Are you saying that, for the time period between "full instreaming" and "full activation" there is a 3D/4D hybrid sphere just as there are 3D/4D hybrid bodies?

Yes.

When, in relation to this sequence of events, do you think is the end of the 75,000 year cycle when "all are harvested regardless of progress"?

End of 3D is not exact, like the beginning of 4D. The harvest is during the end of the 3D cycle or 75,000-76,000 years.

[Tenet Nosce]

Are you saying that, for the time period between "full instreaming" and "full activation" there is a 3D/4D hybrid sphere just as there are 3D/4D hybrid bodies?

Yes.

When, in relation to this sequence of events, do you think is the end of the 75,000 year cycle when "all are harvested regardless of progress"?

End of 3D is not exact, like the beginning of 4D. The harvest is during the end of the 3D cycle or 75,000-76,000 years.

What I am asking is: To what degree of "completeness" of the 3D cycle does harvest occur? When it is 90% complete? 99%?

Does harvest occur between "full instreaming" and "full activation"? When, in relation to these, does harvest occur?

Furthermore, can harvest be witnessed from within 3D? Is it a completely metaphysical event... outside of time and space?

---

What does this mean?

This intelligent energy offers a type of clock. The cycles move as precisely as a clock strikes your hour. Thus, the gateway from intelligent energy to intelligent infinity opens regardless of circumstance on the striking of the hour.

[zenmaster]

Are you saying that, for the time period between "full instreaming" and "full activation" there is a 3D/4D hybrid sphere just as there are 3D/4D hybrid bodies?

Yes.

When, in relation to this sequence of events, do you think is the end of the 75,000 year cycle when "all are harvested regardless of progress"?

End of 3D is not exact, like the beginning of 4D. The harvest is during the end of the 3D cycle or 75,000-76,000 years.

What I am asking is: To what degree of "completeness" of the 3D cycle does harvest occur? When it is 90% complete? 99%?

Harvest occurs when the 3D incarnation at a location is no longer useful for learning as opposed to another location.

Does harvest occur between "full instreaming" and "full activation"? When, in relation to these, does harvest occur?

My guess would be full instreaming.

Furthermore, can harvest be witnessed from within 3D? Is it a completely metaphysical event... outside of time and space?

Completely metaphysical event in time/space.

What does this mean?

This intelligent energy offers a type of clock. The cycles move as precisely as a clock strikes your hour. Thus, the gateway from intelligent energy to intelligent infinity opens regardless of circumstance on the striking of the hour.

In order to have a "harvest" this "gateway" must be opened, either naturally (planetary cycle) or artificially (through sufficient polarization, by choice). It provides the conditions necessary for placement of the spirit complex in the appropriately vibrating density.

[Parsons]

Furthermore, can harvest be witnessed from within 3D? Is it a completely metaphysical event... outside of time and space?

Completely metaphysical event in time/space.

I wonder how many people here realize our consciousness (the one that pilots your current chemical/physical vehicle that is reading this message)dwells entirely in time/space. Imagine it was a new computer operating system that hadn't been overhauled to upgrade to a new version in 75k years?

[hogey11]

Harvest occurs when the 3D incarnation at a location is no longer useful for learning as opposed to another location.

That's a circumstance.

This intelligent energy offers a type of clock. The cycles move as precisely as a clock strikes your hour. Thus, the gateway from intelligent energy to intelligent infinity opens regardless of circumstance on the striking of the hour.

From this quote it would seem that regard for individual's personal catalyst doesn't become involved in these formuations... as you said, it would be up to the higher self to make sure each soul is where it should be.

If the 'harvest' cannot manifest yet because people are not 'ready' for 4D, can we really say that and doubt the collective's higher selves? Do we really know better if we are indeed at the end of cycle and near the striking of the hour?

[Tenet Nosce]

My guess would be full instreaming.

So then, harvest is the process by which entities are moved from one sphere of influence to another. It begins of necessity when the density no longer supports the full spectrum of sub-densities, and when the lower vibrations begin to cease to be useful for teach/learning.

But then, 3D earth natives who are "harvested" would merely be incarnating back to the 3D/4D hybrid sphere. What would happen if they walked the steps of light and it was found that their vibration was too high to match those of the hybrid sphere?

Completely metaphysical event in time/space.

If time/space is reciprocal to space/time, then any motion in one must correlate to the other. How can an event occur in time/space, but not space/time?

In order to have a "harvest" this "gateway" must be opened, either naturally (planetary cycle) or artificially (through sufficient polarization, by choice).

What about the planetary cycle causes the gateway to be opened? How long does it stay open? And what causes it to close again?

It provides the conditions necessary for placement of the spirit complex in the appropriately vibrating density.

What are those conditions?

[hogey11]

Meanwhile there is another sphere, congruent to a great extent with yellow ray, forming. This fourth-density sphere coexists with first, second, and third. It is of a denser nature due to the rotational core atomic aspects of its material. We have discussed this subject with you.

The fourth-density entities which incarnate at this space/time are fourth density in the view of experience but are incarnating in less dense vehicles due to desire to experience and aid in the birth of fourth density upon this plane.

What does 'congruent to a great extent with yellow ray' mean?

Also, I notice how the 4D sphere coexists; the 3d sphere will cease to be inhabited, but it doesn't go away... Do they share a common space/time tho?

[zenmaster]

My guess would be full instreaming.

So then, harvest is the process by which entities are moved from one sphere of influence to another. It begins of necessity when the density no longer supports the full spectrum of sub-densities, and when the lower vibrations begin to cease to be useful for teach/learning.

But then, 3D earth natives who are "harvested" would merely be incarnating back to the 3D/4D hybrid sphere. What would happen if they walked the steps of light and it was found that their vibration was too high to match those of the hybrid sphere?

Well, there is an infinite creation from which to choose lessons. There is practically no way an earth native can learn all of the lessons of 4D while in 3D though. It calls upon another mode of one's being which involves learning which is not available in the 3D body.

Completely metaphysical event in time/space.

If time/space is reciprocal to space/time, then any motion in one must correlate to the other. How can an event occur in time/space, but not space/time?

In this sense, think of them as two domains or sectors (space and time) which are separated by a "unit boundary" ©. While in 3D bodies (space/time domain), we have very limited access to the time/space domain. This is largely responsible for our materialism, focus on yang principle, and the "veil". In 4D, I believe there is more balanced awareness available of both space/time and time/space. So time/space becomes navigable as more of "you" is now "there".

In order to have a "harvest" this "gateway" must be opened, either naturally (planetary cycle) or artificially (through sufficient polarization, by choice).

What about the planetary cycle causes the gateway to be opened?

Nothing, as far as I know. It is merely coincident with the availability of a different fundamental vibration.

How long does it stay open? And what causes it to close again?

As far as I know, it does not close and it does not open in that manner.
It's "open" because of what it elicits from individuals. "You" are the universe and the gateway. It opens the core of "you". Imagine all of this stuff being "on loan".

It provides the conditions necessary for placement of the spirit complex in the appropriately vibrating density.

What are those conditions?

After death, "In harvest the entity will then transfer its indigo body into violet-ray manifestation as seen in true-color yellow. This is for the purpose of gauging the harvestability of the entity. After this anomalous activity has been carefully completed, the entity will move into indigo body again and be placed in the correct true-color locus in space/time and time/space at which time the healings and learn/teachings necessary shall be completed and further incarnation needs determined."

[Aaron]

So then, harvest is the process by which entities are moved from one sphere of influence to another. It begins of necessity when the density no longer supports the full spectrum of sub-densities, and when the lower vibrations begin to cease to be useful for teach/learning.

Harvest is the name given to the process by which entities move themselves upwards through densities of experience. But The Harvest is an "anomalous" event taking place at the end of the 3D cycle. It's an opportunity.

Ra describes the process of death and the anomaly of Harvest here. (like zenmaster just posted)

Upon the bodily complex death, as you call this transition, the entity will immediately, upon realization of its state, return to the indigo form-maker body and rest therein until the proper future placement is made.

Here we have the anomaly of harvest. In harvest the entity will then transfer its indigo body into violet-ray manifestation as seen in true-color yellow. This is for the purpose of gauging the harvestability of the entity. After this anomalous activity has been carefully completed, the entity will move into indigo body again and be placed in the correct true-color locus in space/time and time/space at which time the healings and learn/teachings necessary shall be completed and further incarnation needs determined.

I interpret "return to the indigo form-maker body and rest therein until the proper future placement is made" as the normal process of an entity harvesting itself.

But I admit that I have no idea what "transfer its indigo ray body into violet-ray manifestation as seen in true-color yellow" means. If somebody told me, "Quick dude, transfer your indigo ray body into violet-ray manifestation from true-color yellow, man!" I would probably totally drop the ball at that point. But understanding aside, Ra says that action is for gauging the harvestability of the entity, and it only happens at Harvest.

I suppose a simpler way to say it is that during this time of Harvest, all 3D entities are offered the chance to walk the steps of light upon death.

Q'uo talks about it multiple times, but perhaps most clearly here:
http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0927.aspx

Be that as it may, this is only one layer of our answer. What impacts the questioner, and all of those upon Planet Earth, far more is the harvest that is occurring concomitantly with this turning of the age. The harvest has already begun. It began in your year 1987 in that period called “Harmonic Convergence.” [4] Entities began being harvested when they died from the physical at that time. All were offered the steps of light. Many of those you now call “Indigo Children” are those who have graduated from Planet Earth in the positive sense, have now gone on to acquaint themselves with their new fourth-density homes and have asked for permission to return to third density as wanderers.

This means that each who is hearing these words or who may read them shall undoubtedly be able to live their incarnation through and be, at the end of it, invited to walk those steps of light that the harvest times offer to souls who seek the one infinite Creator.

[zenmaster]

Harvest is the name given to the process by which entities move themselves upwards through densities of experience.

As far as I can tell it really means movement from one time/space and space/time location to another, irrespective of density "upgrade". As in, the 3D-native entities of Mars and 3D-native entities of other 3D planets, at the end of their planet's useful cycle, were "harvested" to 3D earth.

Because of this location matching, it stands to reason that "harvest" matches vibrational needs or compatibility as well as vibrational level.

So if you imagine "intelligent infinity" is the universe (all octaves) then this match-making is like a release from an otherwise more "tethered" state, across the creation, to naturally be attracted to the most-appropriately resonating (violet-ray compatible) time/space and space/time. Like attracting like.

[Aaron]

Harvest is the name given to the process by which entities move themselves upwards through densities of experience.

As far as I can tell it really means movement from one time/space and space/time location to another, irrespective of density "upgrade". As in, the 3D-native entities of Mars and 3D-native entities of other 3D planets, at the end of their planet's useful cycle, were "harvested" to 3D earth.

Because of this location matching, it stands to reason that "harvest" matches vibrational needs or compatibility as well as vibrational level.

So if you imagine "intelligent infinity" is the universe (all octaves) then this match-making is like a release from an otherwise more "tethered" state, across the creation, to naturally be attracted to the most-appropriately resonating (violet-ray compatible) time/space and space/time. Like attracting like.

Good distinction to make. Thanks! I'm in agreement, including the idea of the natural-ness of the process.

[zenmaster]

What I don't understand is how David Wilcock adamantly requires a "transmogrified" "harvest", rather than that which is described in the material. It has never made sense to me. To me it's a non-parsimonious idea that seems like something expected from an inflated ideology or some "sci-fi story" mindset. Why can such a depiction can be acceptable with honest consideration?

[anagogy]

What does 'congruent to a great extent with yellow ray' mean?

In my opinion, this means that the 4th density environment resembles to a great extent the 3rd density environment. It's like a higher vibrational version of the same environment, well, that is to say, until it is fully formed. At which point, it will not be molded by yellow ray, anymore, it will be the other way around.

Also, I notice how the 4D sphere coexists; the 3d sphere will cease to be inhabited, but it doesn't go away... Do they share a common space/time tho?

In my opinion, no. It is a completely different plane of existence. A separate set of space/time geometry.

[Tenet Nosce]

What I don't understand is how David Wilcock adamantly requires a "transmogrified" "harvest", rather than that which is described in the material. It has never made sense to me. To me it's a non-parsimonious idea that seems like something expected from an inflated ideology or some "sci-fi story" mindset. Why can such a depiction can be acceptable with honest consideration?

Are you really that confused about it? I see a rather straightforward explanation.

What I don't understand is why you adamantly require an utter lack of any sort of space/time event(s) associated with the opening of the gateway. If space/time and time/space are reciprocal, then any event that occurs in time/space must have a space/time correlate.

Transmogrification or... nothing at all? Doesn't make sense to me.

[zenmaster]

What I don't understand is how David Wilcock adamantly requires a "transmogrified" "harvest", rather than that which is described in the material. It has never made sense to me. To me it's a non-parsimonious idea that seems like something expected from an inflated ideology or some "sci-fi story" mindset. Why can such a depiction can be acceptable with honest consideration?

Are you really that confused about it? I see a rather straightforward explanation.

What is the straightforward explanation?

What I don't understand is why you adamantly require an utter lack of any sort of space/time event(s) associated with the opening of the gateway.

I require an utter lack? I simply do not see a correlation with space/time, other than with the availability of planetary-scale vibrations which would otherwise be individually created.

If space/time and time/space are reciprocal, then any event that occurs in time/space must have a space/time correlate.

And what is this event you speak of?
In this case, there is nothing to "change" except what is available to the mind (planetary/personal) which, when used (as 4D controls 3D), results in a corresponding change to the body along the lengthy transition period (up to year ~2700). Wanderers do not choose this change. 3D natives who are not harvestable do not choose this change. "dual-activated" have chosen the change, prior to their incarnation (birth choice).

The understandings available will change the context in which society functions, as experience of how and why things may be, particularly of the "noumenal", is gained. I do not expect any seminal revelations, or revolutionary ideas, except from those able to see the noumenal (new breed). And due to their more-primary status, these ideas would overtake and obsolete the conventional.

[Tenet Nosce]

What is the straightforward explanation?

Self-deprecation results in ego inflation.

I require an utter lack? I simply do not see a correlation with space/time, other than with the availability of planetary-scale vibrations which would otherwise be individually created.

There is a motion in time/space which you are referring to as the "opening of the gateway." This "opening" must have a space/time correlate, since the two domains are reciprocal to one another.

As you pointed out, "full instreaming" and "harvest" are not the same thing. The "availability of planetary-scale vibrations" you mention refers to the "full instreaming" not harvest.

And what is this event you speak of?

We can't say because it hasn't happened yet. But I think you are right in that it "will change the context in which society functions." The change of context is the event, the "transition period" is however long it takes for the new context to be expressed as actual functions of society.

I do not expect any seminal revelations, or revolutionary ideas

Why not? Do seminal revelations and revolutionary ideas discontinue upon "full instreaming"?

And due to their more-primary status, these ideas would overtake and obsolete the conventional.

Yes- "Out of the mouth of babes."

[zenmaster]

I require an utter lack? I simply do not see a correlation with space/time, other than with the availability of planetary-scale vibrations which would otherwise be individually created.

There is a motion in time/space which you are referring to as the "opening of the gateway." This "opening" must have a space/time correlate, since the two domains are reciprocal to one another.

The "opening of the gateway" is a response to the conditions available for the form-maker body. It is not an event. And again, if you want to use Larson's terminology, "time/space" is the "cosmic sector" and "space/time" is the "material sector" they are *not* reciprocally related. They are conjugates of the universe separated by a boundary, just as densities are separated by a boundary. Within a sector, time/space and space/time are indeed reciprocals (as "motion").

As you pointed out, "full instreaming" and "harvest" are not the same thing. The "availability of planetary-scale vibrations" you mention refers to the "full instreaming" not harvest.

And what is this event you speak of?

We can't say because it hasn't happened yet. But I think you are right in that it "will change the context in which society functions." The change of context is the event, the "transition period" is however long it takes for the new context to be expressed as actual functions of society.

I do not expect any seminal revelations, or revolutionary ideas

Why not? Do seminal revelations and revolutionary ideas discontinue upon "full instreaming"?

No, read what I said again. The ability to appreciate the 4D vibrations is what fosters the ideas. The ideas do become part of the 3D sphere as well as the 4D sphere.

And due to their more-primary status, these ideas would overtake and obsolete the conventional.

Yes- "Out of the mouth of babes."

It's common sense. There is a huge difference between actual insight and intuitive notion.

[Tenet Nosce]

The "opening of the gateway" is a response to the conditions available for the form-maker body. It is not an event.

The "changing of conditions" is an event. Any sort of motion is an event.