The Bible: Hell is same as 4th density STS?

[christine10]

There is no Bible hell.
Hell doesn't exist in the Bible.
No hell, and no everlasting punishment or torture.
Go ahead, try and find it.

The Church created hell, even though it has no basis in scripture.
Hell, and purgatory, and the limbos, and confession, make it easier to frighten people into obedience.

I studied this long ago, the date, the Pope, etc. I remember that it had something to do with a Church / State power struggle at the time. But I can't find it and I haven't the energy or time to do it again. I think the thought of eternal agony began at some point in the 2nd or 3rd centuries, and entered Cannon about 5th century. (?)

We live in a wise and loving universe. Love, patience, and understanding, reign.

Believe this, or not. Use your own free will to create your balance, or your fear.

DITO.....I always thought of "hell" as whatever you make of it in your mind.....never a actual place!!!


But as long as were on this topic can anyone answer me this.........

Where does Ra stand on the whole Jesus thing.....real/not real....I mean I know hes a 5th density being,4th when he walked earth but what I guess Im saying is......did it go down the way "they" said it did and was mary truely a virgin.....Im just curious and dont understand why there isnt chapters. about this in the Law of One....Im just saying....prolly would have been one of my top 10 questions!!!

Thanks for any help!!
Christine

[XionComrade]

I find the way the "Aliens" working with L/L describe Jesus and his life to be surprisingly close to what can be drawn from the Bible itself. One has to keep in mind that there are 3 major warring factions in Christianity...Catholic, Protestant, and Orthodox. The first two having pretty horrific histories specifically, thoroughly hijacked by the forces of Orion/Darkness. And under that there are around 30,000 different denominations. It has been a ongoing project of mine to see what comes out when you filter the channelings through the Bible/use them as a companion to it(And Vice versa). Seems to zip up very surprisingly well so far, essential to go about studying the two sides this way. But will not set well with mainstream religion at all imo, but nothing ever does. I don't think even the most dedicated religious people can even grasp the depths of their own religions, a person could study any one of the major ones their entire lives and still barely have a grasp on it.

The "Aliens" seem to be big on the close Theosis version of Jesus rather than the more rigid and infinitely distant God version taught to me by the protestants growing up. One of the biggest problems that we have right now in Christianity is the doctrine that the Bible is the perfect word of God(And consequently whatever pops into their head whenever they read it is dead on perfect straight from God, they never stop to think that the guy next to them has something completely different in his head reading the same passage, it is all so very subjective), in other words people that don't know what they are talking about or even have a clue about all of the painstaking amounts of work, political manipulation, and difficulties that have occurred to give us what we have today...Dozens if not hundreds of different, sometimes radically so, translations of hundreds of different often fragmented ancient manuscripts. It is no small task to attempt to faithfully put together a Bible, nowadays they just copy each other.

[christine10]

I find the way the "Aliens" working with L/L describe Jesus and his life to be surprisingly close to what can be drawn from the Bible itself. One has to keep in mind that there are 3 major warring factions in Christianity...Catholic, Protestant, and Orthodox. The first two having pretty horrific histories specifically, thoroughly hijacked by the forces of Orion/Darkness. And under that there are around 30,000 different denominations. It has been a ongoing project of mine to see what comes out when you filter the channelings through the Bible/use them as a companion to it(And Vice versa). Seems to zip up very surprisingly well so far, essential to go about studying the two sides this way. But will not set well with mainstream religion at all imo, but nothing ever does. I don't think even the most dedicated religious people can even grasp the depths of their own religions, a person could study any one of the major ones their entire lives and still barely have a grasp on it.

The "Aliens" seem to be big on the close Theosis version of Jesus rather than the more rigid and infinitely distant God version taught to me by the protestants growing up. One of the biggest problems that we have right now in Christianity is the doctrine that the Bible is the perfect word of God(And consequently whatever pops into their head whenever they read it is dead on perfect straight from God, they never stop to think that the guy next to them has something completely different in his head reading the same passage, it is all so very subjective), in other words people that don't know what they are talking about or even have a clue about all of the painstaking amounts of work, political manipulation, and difficulties that have occurred to give us what we have today...Dozens if not hundreds of different, sometimes radically so, translations of hundreds of different often fragmented ancient manuscripts. It is no small task to attempt to faithfully put together a Bible, nowadays they just copy each other.

Thanks for responding Xion and I totally agree with you and by the sounds of it I must be missing some of the Law of One material on jesus cuz alls I found was one page and not alot of info,under the catagory people then jesus.....is there more info somewhere else?

I myself was raised catholic and up till about 10yrs ago pretty much followed their beliefs, to a point, I mean never ever believed that the bible was complete truth but that is was a foundation for how people should behave, I personally always found it quite brutal but of course the bottom line was a positive message, my parents on the other hand werent fanatic but did obey most the catholic laws, one specific one.....no birth control....12 kids later...hahaha!!

My point being is Ive always been more spiritual then religious and always knew religion was just away for man to control the masses but I had ALWAYS believed that there was a man named jesus and the storys that went with him TILL about 5yrs ago when I really started opening my mind to other options,such as the Law of One and others that all seem to have similar messages, but what really made me rethink the whole jesus thing was the movie Zeitgeist it had some very convincing arguments/facts and such obvious reasons to back them up and of course how man has just misinterpeted things and it ALL made perfect sense to me, I almost felt like a idiot for not seeing these points myself but even still, havent been able to totally commit to the idea he didnt exsist at all, then after reading TLOO info I could get behind the idea that he was a 4 density being here to spread the word but I wanna know more, like the whole story did it go down as the bible says I just wish there was more detailed info(and maybe Im just not aware of it)and Im guessing if anyone could give us the real complete story it would be Ra....right?

Also since the discovery of the lost gospel of paul and what could be thomas,judus and mary magdelan....that text all seems to confirm TLOO word for word....which is EPIC!!

I just want more, and from what I consider to be the most reliable source!!

Love to hear all your opinions and any direction you may beable to point me!!

Thanks all

[XionComrade]

Most of the information L/L has is in their archives rather than being given by Ra directly, the other spirits/entities talk about Jesus much more than Ra did(Who mentioned him around 3 times if I remember right, besides responding to the challenge by Carla, challenging Ra in the name of Christ)

A interesting thing...
"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world." Even early Christians were well versed in methods of channeling it seems to me, very very knowledgeable of spiritual matters/"warfare".

Some of the details surrounding Jesus are interesting. This wanderer/spirit is configured, if I am not mistaken, so that it does not forget in the same manner that other entities do when incarnating into 3rd density. The veil does not effect it the same way it does us, and thusly Jesus did not forget as we did, sacrificing free will for knowledge/understanding of love, and thereby truth as well. Alot of stories surrounding him, such as being able to speak from birth(Islam). But mentioned in the channeling is that he had, as a result of the way the veil was for him, a natural aptitude for psychic powers from birth/a extremely early age, and as a result accidentally killed a playmate at age 3 or where about in a fit of anger, and that is a very very important point in his life that you won't hear about in church probably. It was the event that set him on the path that led him to Christhood you could say. The material I have studied around the subject of Channeling has led me to firmly believe that the events happened as they are recorded more or less, death and resurrection, virgin birth...all things not to fantastic to believe in light of some of these...metaphysical teachings I suppose. Religion/Scripture/Whatever documents THAT it happened, this LL material/The Occult documents HOW it happened the way I see it.

Especially considering reports of 20 mile diameter flying space cities, soul devouring light beings, cosmic parasites, and flying brain wave talking space gods that...here is the kicker...are in no way any different from any of us. The idea that the entire creation itself is just one gigantic miracle is becoming ever more the view of myself.

[caycegal]

'Hell' is a percieved separation from God, or being 'cut off'.

That about sums it up. Heaven is being aligned with/aware of/connected with God/The One/All-That-Is.

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"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."

This is one of my favorites:
(from the book of Luke)

49 John said to Jesus, “Master, we saw someone using your name to cast out demons, but we told him to stop because he isn’t in our group.”

50 But Jesus said, “Don’t stop him! Anyone who is not against you is for you.”

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I think the bottom line is, you can find about anything you want to in the Bible!

It is a valuable tool, depending on how you use it.

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Let me add, this forum is so very, very much fun!

[XionComrade]

So much excellent guidance/information in the New Testament concerning spiritual matters. I wonder though if it is true that Negative entities in general cannot tell the truth by nature(Because there is no truth in them), that is a profound statement even in the light of the things the Confederation has to say. One must have love to know the truth, because the truth is love, and love is the truth. The Orion entities in general choose to exist in a state of perpetual lies and illusions.

I remember studying about the lives of the spiritual giants/saints of Christianity and their exploits, lives...their battles with dark spiritual forces day and night. I remember that they would come under attack and would pray/call to Jesus, Mary, or some other deceased person on those lines and the Demon would just writhe in pain before leaving. They(Beings of Light) were, I think, bathing the creature in Love, which in excess does have(I know from experience) a sort of horrid burning/over energizing feel to it when in excess. But as the Confederation mentions, they can only defend you if you ask them to.

[christine10]

Most of the information L/L has is in their archives rather than being given by Ra directly, the other spirits/entities talk about Jesus much more than Ra did(Who mentioned him around 3 times if I remember right, besides responding to the challenge by Carla, challenging Ra in the name of Christ)

A interesting thing...
"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world." Even early Christians were well versed in methods of channeling it seems to me, very very knowledgeable of spiritual matters/"warfare".

Some of the details surrounding Jesus are interesting. This wanderer/spirit is configured, if I am not mistaken, so that it does not forget in the same manner that other entities do when incarnating into 3rd density. The veil does not effect it the same way it does us, and thusly Jesus did not forget as we did, sacrificing free will for knowledge/understanding of love, and thereby truth as well. Alot of stories surrounding him, such as being able to speak from birth(Islam). But mentioned in the channeling is that he had, as a result of the way the veil was for him, a natural aptitude for psychic powers from birth/a extremely early age, and as a result accidentally killed a playmate at age 3 or where about in a fit of anger, and that is a very very important point in his life that you won't hear about in church probably. It was the event that set him on the path that led him to Christhood you could say. The material I have studied around the subject of Channeling has led me to firmly believe that the events happened as they are recorded more or less, death and resurrection, virgin birth...all things not to fantastic to believe in light of some of these...metaphysical teachings I suppose. Religion/Scripture/Whatever documents THAT it happened, this LL material/The Occult documents HOW it happened the way I see it.

Especially considering reports of 20 mile diameter flying space cities, soul devouring light beings, cosmic parasites, and flying brain wave talking space gods that...here is the kicker...are in no way any different from any of us. The idea that the entire creation itself is just one gigantic miracle is becoming ever more the view of myself.

Xion thanks again for taken the time to respond I really appreciate your input!!

But I think I may be a bit confusing....hahaha....see what Im getting at here is why cant those who could literally confirm or deny his storys and without infringing on our free will(correct) why havnt they done so, I cant believe it wasnt/isnt a major topic of conversation....I mean HOLY COW.... dunno about anyone else but believer or not that is one story I want the scoop on....the REAL,WITHOUT A DOUBT,IN DETAIL,THE FACTS MA'AM JUST THE FACTS SCOOP....seriously, the thing I get so excited about doing when "my time comes" is the being in the loop...hehehe....getting to hear the true storys straight from the horses mouth (someone WILL introduce me right....they will wont they :-/ ....hehehe...they better damn it!!) its the FIRST thing Im gonna wanna do after orientation..... I just imagine standing around the watercooler with JC bs'ing....I swear Im gonna be his biggest groupie(stalker )...hahaha

Ya know what Im saying brother.....I know all the "stories" according to all his peeps but noone can confirm as absolute truth and believe me I get the whole faith thing I do, its whats got me throu all these years but ...COME ON....doesnt EVERYONE wanna know the real dealie-o, and maybe what we already know is the real deal but I want some confirmation so that I can FULLY AND COMPLETELY APPRECIATE THE MASSIVE AWESOMENESS OF IT ALL!!

And It seems that Ra would beable to answer all/any question about jesus ,his posse and their journeys.....man I wish I had a direct line to the " ALL KNOWING" .....hehehe...that would be AWESOME

Anyways no big deal I was really just hopeing that maybe I missed a bunch of TLOO material on that subject and someone would show me the way and all the questions that Ive ever wanted answered and all the mysteries of the world would all be made crystal clear to me JUST LIKE THAT......BAM!!!

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha.....guess Ill just have to wait

Thanks sooooo much everyone I do enjoy hearing other perspectives, I always learn something!!!

[Tenet Nosce]

Most of the information L/L has is in their archives rather than being given by Ra directly, the other spirits/entities talk about Jesus much more than Ra did(Who mentioned him around 3 times if I remember right, besides responding to the challenge by Carla, challenging Ra in the name of Christ)

I would also point out there is a difference- albeit unacknowledged by many Christians- between Jesus, the human, and Christ, the higher consciousness, or spiritual office, that he came to embody. There is more than one historical personage that was given the title of Christ.

In the transcripts, there are these very strange and interesting sessions with Yadda that touch upon this notion of challenging in the name(s) of Jesus Christ:

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0802.aspx

I Yadda. I with this instrument, greet you in love and light of infinite Creator. We like this instrument. She challenge in name of Jesus Christ. We say, “How about Buddha?” We not fully grasp this instrument’s fanaticism, but even she be provincial, we say, “Okay,” because she passionate, she care, and she real.

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0804.aspx

This one challenge not in Buddha’s name, don’t worry, little one, he CHALLENGE SMART CHALLENGE. HE CHALLENGE WITH … He say, I came in fellowship of the eternal truth of the Christ. Christ everywhere. I no problem with Christ! Only with Jee-sus. But I tell you, this one does not know Buddha, so he say, if I challenge with Buddha, I don’t know what (inaudible) I don’t use that word. I give you new word. He (inaudible) this one, because he don’t like making up stuff he never heard before.

I think the thought process here is... challenging an entity in the name of Christ is one thing. Challenging an entity in the name of Jesus, another.

"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world." Even early Christians were well versed in methods of channeling it seems to me, very very knowledgeable of spiritual matters/"warfare".

Where is this quote from?

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Another little-known factoid is that Carla did channel an entity called Amira who claimed to have incarnated as Jesus. More details here...

http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthrea...1#pid55041

[XionComrade]

Xion thanks again for taken the time to respond I really appreciate your input!!

Very welcome! Yeah looks like we are supposed to wait until we are a 4th density society before we get the real scoop on things. I suppose it does make some sense not just laying out the full life of Jesus, it keeps us digging for the truth which I think is what the Confederation wants/the way it has to be, it would certainly be a huge upset to the religious community if they began divulging information that contradicted them and alot of pretty rough things could happen, if a Negatively oriented person got ahold of that information they could use it as motivation to try to burn down the entire religion for instance.

Supposedly, I have heard, that once our society becomes fully aware of the Space peoples/Confederation we are going to be given our true history, apparently some Social Memory Complexes just catalog the history of other societies and will be among the very first to greet us as a planet, gonna be pretty awesome if you ask me!

I would also point out there is a difference- albeit unacknowledged by many Christians- between Jesus, the human, and Christ, the higher consciousness, or spiritual office, that he came to embody. There is more than one historical personage that was given the title of Christ.

In the transcripts, there are these very strange and interesting sessions with Yadda that touch upon this notion of challenging in the name(s) of Jesus Christ:

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0802.aspx

A interesting point! I would say the different between Jesus and Christ is precisely the same as Jesus and The Word or Logos. I would say, to my current understanding, that Jesus the Man was his fake identity, Jesus the Christ was his true self, and that this situation is the same for all humans on Earth. The person we are, that personality which is grown and cultivated within our societal/physical illusion is just that, a fake illusion, a prison, a distortion of reality. The real us, once undistorted and reconnected to God you could say, is a part of the Christ/Logos. It is pure radiant love. I believe that in Greek philosophy some believed the creator to be perfect and the material universe/universe to be imperfect. Due to this, it was completely preposterous to think that the Perfect Creator could interact directly with the Imperfect Creation, and thus they philosophized the Logos. We of Earth, upon being born, are born into a sea of lies, we have to swim out of this sea and find reality. This is what Jesus did, he did what we must also do. He threw us back a rope as well, which is the testament of his life and the shattered remnant of the Church.

We are all parts of the logos of varying distortions/vibrations. When the distortions are cleared and one is vibrationally realigned with the Logos(Not even entirely I think) they become a "god", Child of God...Theosis...the lesser the distortion, the more a god one becomes...I think that that was a major screw up in Christian philosophy/doctrine, they switched out Word for Jesus/Christ and now everything is in shambles. Noone really gets it I think.

Where is this quote from?

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Another little-known factoid is that Carla did channel an entity called Amira who claimed to have incarnated as Jesus. More details here...

http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthrea...1#pid55041

The quote is 1 John Chapter 4


Yes I remember reading one of the earlier sessions that one of the entities who is regularly channeled(Like Qu'o or Hatton, can't remember exactly though) knows Jesus personally but always knew him by the name Amira. Another regular that pops up in new age circles is a entity purporting the name Sananda, supposedly also Jesus. Who knows....I do remember that Jesus was ministered to by Angels, and would have likely had tremendous amounts of interaction and communication with Spirits even at a early age, so there may be a few buzzing a[/quote]round L/L Research and the Confederation who were a part of that!

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Man alive, Yadda was a trip and very scary at times it seems. Was it a dis incarnate human or something? Man the things running around the Cosmos...

[christine10]

Xion thanks again for taken the time to respond I really appreciate your input!!

Very welcome! Yeah looks like we are supposed to wait until we are a 4th density society before we get the real scoop on things. I suppose it does make some sense not just laying out the full life of Jesus, it keeps us digging for the truth which I think is what the Confederation wants/the way it has to be, it would certainly be a huge upset to the religious community if they began divulging information that contradicted them and alot of pretty rough things could happen, if a Negatively oriented person got ahold of that information they could use it as motivation to try to burn down the entire religion for instance.

Supposedly, I have heard, that once our society becomes fully aware of the Space peoples/Confederation we are going to be given our true history, apparently some Social Memory Complexes just catalog the history of other societies and will be among the very first to greet us as a planet, gonna be pretty awesome if you ask me!

I would also point out there is a difference- albeit unacknowledged by many Christians- between Jesus, the human, and Christ, the higher consciousness, or spiritual office, that he came to embody. There is more than one historical personage that was given the title of Christ.

In the transcripts, there are these very strange and interesting sessions with Yadda that touch upon this notion of challenging in the name(s) of Jesus Christ:

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0802.aspx

A interesting point! I would say the different between Jesus and Christ is precisely the same as Jesus and The Word or Logos. I would say, to my current understanding, that Jesus the Man was his fake identity, Jesus the Christ was his true self, and that this situation is the same for all humans on Earth. The person we are, that personality which is grown and cultivated within our societal/physical illusion is just that, a fake illusion, a prison, a distortion of reality. The real us, once undistorted and reconnected to God you could say, is a part of the Christ/Logos. It is pure radiant love. I believe that in Greek philosophy some believed the creator to be perfect and the material universe/universe to be imperfect. Due to this, it was completely preposterous to think that the Perfect Creator could interact directly with the Imperfect Creation, and thus they philosophized the Logos. We of Earth, upon being born, are born into a sea of lies, we have to swim out of this sea and find reality. This is what Jesus did, he did what we must also do. He threw us back a rope as well, which is the testament of his life and the shattered remnant of the Church.

We are all parts of the logos of varying distortions/vibrations. When the distortions are cleared and one is vibrationally realigned with the Logos(Not even entirely I think) they become a "god", Child of God...Theosis...the lesser the distortion, the more a god one becomes...I think that that was a major screw up in Christian philosophy/doctrine, they switched out Word for Jesus/Christ and now everything is in shambles. Noone really gets it I think.

Where is this quote from?

---

Another little-known factoid is that Carla did channel an entity called Amira who claimed to have incarnated as Jesus. More details here...

http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthrea...1#pid55041

The quote is 1 John Chapter 4


Yes I remember reading one of the earlier sessions that one of the entities who is regularly channeled(Like Qu'o or Hatton, can't remember exactly though) knows Jesus personally but always knew him by the name Amira. Another regular that pops up in new age circles is a entity purporting the name Sananda, supposedly also Jesus. Who knows....I do remember that Jesus was ministered to by Angels, and would have likely had tremendous amounts of interaction and communication with Spirits even at a early age, so there may be a few buzzing a

round L/L Research and the Confederation who were a part of that!

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Man alive, Yadda was a trip and very scary at times it seems. Was it a dis incarnate human or something? Man the things running around the Cosmos...
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Again.....agreed.....and understand that they dont wanna give away the ending.....SPOILER ALERT....fact is we'll all still go on, we'll find some other truths to seek and we'll all eventually die, knowing the truth isnt gonna prevent that from happening and the bible is supose to be fact, so if thats the case then theres really no truth about jesus to seek, its all been layed out for us .....also isnt their whole mission based on the truth.......seeking it....spreading it....unveiling it .....so with that being said maybe
the bible is completely accurate, otherwise wouldnt that be a pretty big distortion about an event that was sooooooo very monumental to mankind, cant imagine them letting something of such importance go so terrible wrong and to this day not still feel the need to clean it up(like the "Egyptians incident of 5000bc" hehehe not certain about that date) ya know what Im saying....I would think if they knew for the last 2000yrs mankind was baseing our whole spiritual lives on bogus storys wouldnt they be obligated to set it all straight..... right, cause the truth is what makes up a huge chunk of service to others ......Id think......am I right.....am I making any sense at all...hahaha....o the humanity of it all....hahaha...I sometimes over think crap and veer off base alil, please feel free to tell me when I do....wouldnt offend me one bit....hehehehe!!
I also believe and could be completely wrong but that the being jesus wasnt JUST jesus but would show up anytime/everytime in history when humanity needed spiritual guideness, he was all spiritual icons....buddah,gandhi,confucious...... I dunno.....but I know a group of beings that DO KNOW....hahahahaha!!

O and One other thing....I dont think it would hurt one bit if organized religion was knocked down a peg or two.....but I know, I know, I think over half the senior citizens in the world would all drop dead if the "HOUSE OF RELIGIOUS CARDS" came tumbling down!!

Oh well....like I said ....guess I just have to wait my turn!!!

Thanks again Xion its been fun bouncing my craziness off you, your a good sport!!!

See ya on the otherside

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There is no Bible hell.
Hell doesn't exist in the Bible.
No hell, and no everlasting punishment or torture.
Go ahead, try and find it.

The Church created hell, even though it has no basis in scripture.
Hell, and purgatory, and the limbos, and confession, make it easier to frighten people into obedience.

I studied this long ago, the date, the Pope, etc. I remember that it had something to do with a Church / State power struggle at the time. But I can't find it and I haven't the energy or time to do it again. I think the thought of eternal agony began at some point in the 2nd or 3rd centuries, and entered Cannon about 5th century. (?)

We live in a wise and loving universe. Love, patience, and understanding, reign.

Believe this, or not. Use your own free will to create your balance, or your fear.

DITO.....I always thought of "hell" as whatever you make of it in your mind.....never a actual place!!!


But as long as were on this topic can anyone answer me this.........

Where does Ra stand on the whole Jesus thing.....real/not real....I mean I know hes a 5th density being,4th when he walked earth but what I guess Im saying is......did it go down the way "they" said it did and was mary truely a virgin.....Im just curious and dont understand why there isnt chapters. about this in the Law of One....Im just saying....prolly would have been one of my top 10 questions!!!

Thanks for any help!!
Christine

As Thomas Hobbes wrote; Hell is truth seen too late!

I like it, I like it alot!!

[caycegal]

Is there a "true" version of history? Jane Roberts channeled that there are alternate realities, and also that it's possible to change the past as well as the future. So that seems to bring us back to ............. The Now!........... The Now is all there is, The Now is God, The Now is ............Now!

God is infinite and so limitless.

P.S. I'm not arguing for this point of view - or against it, as I really don't know or understand it all. I am leaning towards it, though.

[christine10]

Is there a "true" version of history? Jane Roberts channeled that there are alternate realities, and also that it's possible to change the past as well as the future. So that seems to bring us back to ............. The Now!........... The Now is all there is, The Now is God, The Now is ............Now!

God is infinite and so limitless.

P.S. I'm not arguing for this point of view - or against it, as I really don't know or understand it all. I am leaning towards it, though.

Nope....your right and I know this, I really need to stop and think, old habits are hard to break, I need to clear my brain of all those out dated ideas....its strange cause I believe in TLOO... heart and soul its my brain that cant let go of the old...hahaha....guess 35yrs of thinkin one way is gonna take some time to deprogram and reteach!!

Thanks for reminding me!!

[caycegal]

Thanks for reminding me!!

Christine, sometimes I imagine spiritual learning as something that begins as an idea I hear or read, and then it might take several years or decades as it gradually becomes a part of me on a deep level.

That's why I like to go back and reread some of the books that really affected me deeply - read them again a year or a decade later.

This forum is really fun and often someone will write something that throws everything into a whole new light for me.

Happy Thanksgiving!

[christine10]

Thanks for reminding me!!

Christine, sometimes I imagine spiritual learning as something that begins as an idea I hear or read, and then it might take several years or decades as it gradually becomes a part of me on a deep level.

That's why I like to go back and reread some of the books that really affected me deeply - read them again a year or a decade later.

This forum is really fun and often someone will write something that throws everything into a whole new light for.

Happy Thanksgiving!

Great advice!!!

Thanks again and you and everyone else here.....

HAPPY THANKSGIVING IM GREATFUL FOR ALL!!!
BE SAFE!

[Tenet Nosce]

I would say, to my current understanding, that Jesus the Man was his fake identity, Jesus the Christ was his true self, and that this situation is the same for all humans on Earth. The person we are, that personality which is grown and cultivated within our societal/physical illusion is just that, a fake illusion, a prison, a distortion of reality. The real us, once undistorted and reconnected to God you could say, is a part of the Christ/Logos.

So given this, what is the difference between challenging a spirit in the name of "Jesus", in the name of "Christ", or in the name of "Jesus Christ"?

It is pure radiant love. I believe that in Greek philosophy some believed the creator to be perfect and the material universe/universe to be imperfect. Due to this, it was completely preposterous to think that the Perfect Creator could interact directly with the Imperfect Creation, and thus they philosophized the Logos.

This discussion goes all the way back to the earliest Vedic philosophers. The question being: Is God transcendent from, or immanent in, the universe? The answer they came up with is: All of the Above. Hence the three aspects of divinity.

We of Earth, upon being born, are born into a sea of lies, we have to swim out of this sea and find reality. This is what Jesus did, he did what we must also do. He threw us back a rope as well, which is the testament of his life and the shattered remnant of the Church.

Yes, but are we required to use that rope? Or are there other ropes that will also work?

they switched out Word for Jesus/Christ and now everything is in shambles. Noone really gets it I think.

Yes, and "they" also identified Jesus as "LORD" and "SAVIOR". Very few get what that means, either.

The quote is 1 John Chapter 4

I find it instructive to see how these quotes are given in different versions of the Bible. For example:

Chaverim, do not believe every ruach. [YIRMEYAH 29:8] But test the ruchot (spirits), if they be of Hashem, because many nevi’ei sheker have gone out into the Olam Hazeh.

2 By this we have da’as of the Ruach Hakodesh of Hashem: every ruach which makes hoda’ah (confession) of Yehoshua, Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach as having come in the basar is of Hashem,

3 And every ruach which does not make hoda’ah of Yehoshua is not of Hashem. And this is the ruach of the Anti-Moshiach, which you have heard that it is coming; and now it already is in the Olam Hazeh.

Now if I could only read Hebrew! And also Greek and Latin...

Man alive, Yadda was a trip and very scary at times it seems. Was it a dis incarnate human or something? Man the things running around the Cosmos...

According to my knowledge, Yadda is a 6D social memory complex channeled by Mark Probert and the Detroit Chapter of "Understanding" starting back in the 50's. Notice the L/L contact isn't until 1984. More info on Yadda here: http://www.soulwise.net/yada-00.htm

It appears that Yadda walked among the peoples of Asia in the distant past, and like the other contacts in Egypt and South America, there were unforeseen consequences. I find it interesting that Ra makes no mention of them.

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In the Old testament budding into the New testament, there was a hebrew word, sheol if my memory serves me right, which refers more to the mass grave site where corpses were cast much like a public landfill. It was from this word that the word hell was spawned.

Sheol is more like where all the dead go, regardless of moral character. Similar to Hades of the Greek tradition. Although in some Old Testament verses which refer to the "righteous" and the "wicked" (as handed down from Zoroastrianism) Sheol becomes more identified as the place that only the "wicked" go when they die.

What you are thinking of is Gehenna, or the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, which is where corpses were burned outside of old Jerusalem, as Horuseus pointed out. It was also where apostate Israelites and followers of various Ba'als and Caananite gods, sacrificed their children by fire.

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This is just my thought, but I think changing "a" into "the" has made a very big difference.

Funny how changing- or misreading- one little word can make all the difference in the world.

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In addition to the above, in comparative eschatology one will find both Abrahamic Religions to present the idea of Hell being a disconnection with God at core.

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There is an important distinction to be made between historical eschatology found in the Judeao-Christian-Muslim (Abrahamic) line of thought as it contrasts to the mythical eschatology found, for example in the Hindu cosmology which posits a return to the Golden Age at the end of the cycle.

[XionComrade]

I have always been extremely interested in the concept of a Divine Trinity, any information you can feed me or point me to is extremely appreciated! I remember that in a channeling session the Spirits were about to discuss the subject but if I am not mistaken they stopped and mentioned that the subject goes much to deeply for a single session. Prior to coming across these materials/my plodding spiritual awakening I had always thought that the subject was purely political, dreamed up by sociopaths who had taken the religion over and that the concept was merely used to create a definite divide between the God of Jesus/Christianity(As they wanted the people to understand it), The God of Muhammad and the Muslims(As the material owners of Christianity wanted their people to view them, this is the same circumstance that has existed until this very day), and the God of the Jews...

It was interesting, the concept that originally the concept actually had a solid philosophical base to it that was useful in real-world cosmology...

I would guess that Holy Spirit is God immanent in, Logos is God Transcendent from, and God the Father is the force behind them both? A sort of unifying force for the two? This discussion is most interesting....

[one_seed]

Well... according to the Bible/Tenach and NT there are 3 heavens. God living in the 3rd, the 2nd where the Devil currently lives and travels between 2nd and 1st heavens, the 1st being the Earth's atmosphere...

So, if this were the case, moving up one level would mean ascending to where the "devil" is headquartered. Who told you 4th Density was a good place? Ra? In Hebrew, Ra means "Evil", "Calamity"... Certainly a place where "keep on doing what yer doing" does for all the people who are unsaved. Keep reaching them. There's a difference between the hopelessly corrupt and dead (sociopaths) and the lost in ego/flesh (sleeping).

Kabbalah looks at it as 10 worlds, but that is a whole different thing all together and has a very unique application. For great authentic Kaballah, taught by Rav Leitman PHD I recommend the free courses from the ARI institute (www.percievingreality.com). Authentic Kabballah is the science of transforming one's character, emotion, and will to that of God's. Nothing more, nothing less... save that talk for another day....

Now weather that has anything to do with Hell who knows, but it doesn't sound great. Hell in the bible is translated from the word "Grave" and is not to be confused with "lake of fire" (Gehinom). I will not get into this. This is simply about earth's destruction or renewal I guess since we are on the topic.

I know the bible speaks nothing of ascending to the next level. A study of Rev. could be understood that the "Great and Terrible Day of The Lord" Destruction/Judgement or "Marriage Supper of the Lamb" (New Earth/Eden) as existing on the same day. Day 7. This is a day with God (Represented by the Menorah/7 Lamp-stands) or a day "Without" (A desolated temple)... 1 day = 1000 Years. Then the cycle begins again elsewhere, but in a perfect world without the fall. So the rapture appears to be nothing more than a quantum shift... a big cosmic fork in the road leading down one of two paths.

However I believe Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection to be an event that transcends time and space. An event saving both body and soul from judgment. An event that cannot be stopped or ignored any more than we can choose to ignore the sun or gravity. That is simply done. That's the good news. The other good news is that many are true Christians who don't know it. The bad news is there are they who think they are Christians who are not. A true disciple of Christ looks with his spiritual eyes. God is Love. And the teachings of Christ go on and on and on about how the IAM lives within us and that we are children of God. Much like a drop of water (each of us) compared to the Ocean (God). In Luke, Christ is asked "What must I do to be saved". He did answered with the parable of the Good Samaritan who Jesus went out of His way to make sure it was understood that the Samaritan was by all accounts not a religious person. Jesus went through painstaking efforts to teach that we can serve Love (God) or Fear (Lack, Greed, Mammon). To teach about always being aware of the light, and seeking it. And to be wary of becoming fear or self minded. His real sacrifice a testimony to the work each of us are to do through the help of the Holy spirit. That is to die to self, and live as unconditionally loving beings. The entire bible from revelation of God to revelation of God is taught as one of "Progressive Revelation". That is at first God is seen as "Out There" separate from us. Next He is seen as "A human going thru the transformation of killing his Ego/Satan", Next revealed to us as the Holy Spirit that lives "within" the temple of our bodies. (This is what the Eye of Providence symbolizes). Since in this Quantum world we are and manifest what we focus on, the Bible STRESSES keeping our focus on Jesus (our goal to be just like him, one with the father just like him, and just as powerful and to do even greater things) and the Holy Spirit will help us do the work of transforming us into His likeness. Lucky for us, we don't have to be perfect as we will be transformed in the twinkling of an eye. But it is important to remember "Perfect Love casts out all fear". Forgive always, and set aside judgement, even your enemies.

I could go on and on about the teachings of the Bible, The Mishnah, and many Rabbinical writings, and some Kabbalistic writings (Not NagHamadi as It's not authentic Judeo-Christian so the role-reversal and reverse-symbolism can cause some confusion in the psyche). I have absolutely no idea why or how things in the Christian world have gone where they've gone, or how they believe what they believe or teach what they teach. (For instance Big Bang Theory and Evolution. The bible supports Evolution Theory... how they missed this is beyond me) Instead of working to transform into His likeness (Unconditional Love/United), they seem to preach a God that is in the image of man (Judgmental and Separate). Keep your eyes on Jesus Christ and who HE IS, the beholder becomes and experiences what he perceives. I don't mean the Jewish Carpenter, or a Jesus Hanging on the Cross. I didn't say who HE WAS and neither does the Bible. It's nice to be excited about the wrapping or packaging our Creator gave to mankind. But that is just the outer garment. Who was Jesus "Spiritually"? That is the focus I am talking about. That is who is Judge, and our truest highest self is God as that is where we got our "spark". Weather or not judgement is case-by-case or upgraded to a class-action suit, who knows My hope is for the whole world to move on to a better existence, and that is my prayer.

"As HE IS. SO AM I in THIS world."

Anyways, I personally do not know much about the LOO where I assume much of the stuff in this site comes from, but from what I have read is a lot of mixed-truth, but that's for you to decide. Then again that's what I see when I look anywhere but the Bible, and even then I haven't heard anyone to interpret the Bible it the way I understand it. I've been walking the path of Christ and studying Hebraic/Judeo-Christian religions for almost 30 years on the nose. Maybe it's time I step out and start ministering. I'm just some guy who would rather remain anonymous who would like to help others grow in unity regardless of religious creed or background, and to walk upright in God with the world underneath their feet where it belongs and not on their shoulders - reigning in life.

Apologies for the terrible spelling/syntax/grammar. I'm a bit rushed right now. So many things to do...

[Taco]

I thought 'hell' was a metaphor for keeping oneself as a slave to ego (sinful nature in christianity).

jesus saves you from hell by offering the holy spirit (inner divine spark; look at fruits of the spirit).

jesus character represents following sto path, i think.

[Ankh]

Anyways, I personally do not know much about the LOO where I assume much of the stuff in this site comes from, but from what I have read is a lot of mixed-truth, but that's for you to decide. Then again that's what I see when I look anywhere but the Bible, and even then I haven't heard anyone to interpret the Bible it the way I understand it.

Excuse me if this will be off topic, but I just had to quote the above and see the humorous aspect of One Infinite Creation. Because this is exactly how I think but in regards to the Ra material, that it's the only true, undistorted and pure information available on this planet. And especially compared to Bible, which is to me a confused and mixed source. I am completely convinced about it. And imagine! That there are people who are equally convinced about their own truth!! I can't stop laughing!! Universe is sure funny!

[Shin'Ar]

In the Old testament budding into the New testament, there was a hebrew word, sheol if my memory serves me right, which refers more to the mass grave site where corpses were cast much like a public landfill. It was from this word that the word hell was spawned.

Sheol is more like where all the dead go, regardless of moral character. Similar to Hades of the Greek tradition. Although in some Old Testament verses which refer to the "righteous" and the "wicked" (as handed down from Zoroastrianism) Sheol becomes more identified as the place that only the "wicked" go when they die.

What you are thinking of is Gehenna, or the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, which is where corpses were burned outside of old Jerusalem, as Horuseus pointed out. It was also where apostate Israelites and followers of various Ba'als and Caananite gods, sacrificed their children by fire.

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Thank you for your clarification Tenet.

And I would not argue the translations as there are numerous situations where a word can be translated to mean one thing in one verse and be used in a different context in a verse elsewhere.

It is my understanding that the words themselves, are bound both to the originator and the interpreter as the process of being which connects them, and it is there, in that sacred place where the two become one, that meaning loses context with reality because the very reality of meaning is never singular, and always a continuing process of interpretation of following and succeeding connections.

This is the Process of Divine Design.

Any attempt to alter that divine process of continued 'Being', into a being of one immovable and unquestionable point of void fact, denies the ever changing and always questionable Mystery.

This idea of hell is comparable to every other idea of man as he attempts to move in the process. His thoughts and speculations become ideals of faith and belief so dear that to abandon them is to abandon their very souls. All of these faiths and beliefs are the results of interpretation between originator and interpreter, between one and the other. Their confusion and chaos as natural as the differences between the experience of the infant and its mother.

Each must walk with their own subjective experience and interpretations of it.

Hell is the evolution of this process and has become many things to many people, but is always associated with the idea of one's soul being somehow sent into a descent, rather than an ascension.

The Christian hell is not really any different than the descents of countless speculations and comparisons which have been made long before Christian ideologies were formed.

All have been linked to this thinking that there is a consequence to the soul for not achieving ascension, which means many different things depending on one's cultural ideologies as well.

Hell is thought, by those who perceive the inability to ascend, either into a Christian heaven or a higher Being, to be a place of the opposite, which would be a descent rather than an ascent.

And thus we have developed, as beings of a planet with a very mysterious curiosity about what lies deep within, beliefs around some deep and dark realm within the Earth, below us, where down is the opposite of up, where hell is the opposite of heaven and where descent becomes a bad thing rather the glory of the ascent.

This thinking has been managed differently by many of the great cultures, like the Land of the Dead of the Egyptians and The Hell of the Christians, but all are bound to the same efforts to understand the descent and ascent of soul; or the Mystery of Self.

When considered in an overview from The All, hell, or whatever one chooses to name it, is really nothing more than 'that which man cannot know until death opens that doorway into the great beyond.'

And of course, it has been the case as far as we know on this side of that doorway, that the truth of beyond is not shared with us by those which leave us behind. At least not in ways which can be universally agreed and confirmed, without debate and doubt.

Whether in the bowels of Mother Earth, or the astral arms of the Great Spirals, hell is, and always has been, The Mystery constantly evading capture. The Mystery that man, in his delusion of divine stature, commands to stand still, and yet observes only from the distance of consciousness, not his own, alone.

It is only when he observes through eyes, not his own, that he truly observes a glimpse of a Mystery which he then knows he shall never catch.

If you could actually reach into that mirror and become the other you see there, not as your self, but as the opposite of that which you believe to be self, you would grasp the Mystery in your clutches and stop it cold.

But because of Divine Design there is none that shall ever accomplish such a feat. By design all we can do is 'connect', and further interpret.

Hell is the sand which separates The One from The Other.

[Tenet Nosce]

Thanks for the thoughtful reply, Shin'Ar! I feel moved to respond directly to these specific parts:

Hell is the evolution of this process and has become many things to many people, but is always associated with the idea of one's soul being somehow sent into a descent, rather than an ascension.

Hell is thought, by those who perceive the inability to ascend, either into a Christian heaven or a higher Being, to be a place of the opposite, which would be a descent rather than an ascent.

I found in my experience during an ayahuasca trip that one must "descend" to the planetary core before "ascending" into the higher realms. And yes, on the journey to the core one must pass through areas of dark thought-forms that might appear "hellish" to the uninitiated.

But in speaking to the Christian/Biblical framework that we are discussing... I believe this judgement around "descending" is more than just an error in thought, but an attempt at deliberate manipulation of people by causing them to have fear about any sort of "descending" motion they might encounter in meditation, or while in the astral state.

I imagine this might have something to do with why these activities (meditation and astral travel) have become serious taboo to many Christians.

[XionComrade]

I imagine this might have something to do with why these activities (meditation and astral travel) have become serious taboo to many Christians.

I found it interesting once I had my sort of miniature "awakening" that the Bible is seriously chock full of psychic phenomena. Tons of astral travel, I mean s*** tons. Visions, trances, telepathy, healing, even some channeling here and there(Probably a pretty common thing back in those days, widespread and accepted very much so in many forms) And alot, alot of meditation. Paul did it for years on end if I am not mistaken, Jesus did it obsessively(Every time he went off to a quiet place alone to pray). Basically every time one of these guys went off to pray, to my understanding, they also meditated thereafter. They just didn't call it meditation.

God told several people to "Be still"...It is funny looking at it nowadays just how extreme the fall of the church was. Holy s*** did we ever ruin this religion.

[Shin'Ar]

Thanks for the thoughtful reply, Shin'Ar! I feel moved to respond directly to these specific parts:

Hell is the evolution of this process and has become many things to many people, but is always associated with the idea of one's soul being somehow sent into a descent, rather than an ascension.

Hell is thought, by those who perceive the inability to ascend, either into a Christian heaven or a higher Being, to be a place of the opposite, which would be a descent rather than an ascent.

I found in my experience during an ayahuasca trip that one must "descend" to the planetary core before "ascending" into the higher realms. And yes, on the journey to the core one must pass through areas of dark thought-forms that might appear "hellish" to the uninitiated.

But in speaking to the Christian/Biblical framework that we are discussing... I believe this judgement around "descending" is more than just an error in thought, but an attempt at deliberate manipulation of people by causing them to have fear about any sort of "descending" motion they might encounter in meditation, or while in the astral state.

I imagine this might have something to do with why these activities (meditation and astral travel) have become serious taboo to many Christians.

What you speak of here is precisely the revelation which caused Drunvalo Melchizedek to alter his teaching on the Flower of Life and begin work on the Merkaba.

He has said that to acquire higher being one must first become intimately acquainted with their lower being, or the way to higher being is through the lower being.

Yet, in order to comprehend what is meant by such revelation, one must know what higher and lower being actually is.

With regard to these hellish aspects, do you suppose that the horrors are merely deeply seated thoughts imposed on us from traditional and worldly influences that are so ingrained into our thought processing that even when we have these 'spiritual experiences', they are also afflicted with the images and fears of many influential invasions of our psyche?

You have even jumped right into almost confirming this in your next paragraph where you speculate on such influential manipulation.

It is no mystery why the human mind is filled with tho9ughts of evil demons and things of horrifying stature.

As a whole the field of human consciousness has been exposed to many such terrible influences both from their own natural tendencies as well as from otherworldly influences.

That consciousness is filled with corruption of beauty and love, and when we correlate that with things which we also comprehend as terrifying, like death, such corruption seeps into the efforts to understand and describe it.

This has virtually been the case with most of the main cultures of the world. But it has also been the case with many of the more isolated smaller cultures. Which points to a perversion and corruption which is more than just manipulated, but also ingrained deep within the human consciousness.

Our very ancient pasts are not available to us in any degree of accuracy. Much is speculative, but there is also much evidence that the human has been in contact with beings that are not like us.

Has this long forgotten influence been the subconscious source of our delusions of demons and evil?

Hollow Earth Theory.

Heaven and Hell.

Lower and Higher Being.

Anunnaki interventions.

Hybrid human/dragon bloodlines.

Tenet, you touch on an extremely sensitive reality confronting human evolution, and such manipulation has been obvious to many, and remains a constant state of being.

The affect which the Christian Church had on silencing much of ancient wisdom is great indeed, but miniscule in comparison with how the knowledge and information once known by mankind has been completely obliterated.

It is like comparing the man who cheats one night on his wife, to the man who murders his entire family for the sake of his new interest.

In ancient past a vast amount of information was lost to mankind, and only portions of it remained which was hidden and protected by both the protectors of its sanctity, as well as the ones in high places who continue to seek self satisfaction. What was saved is a fragment of what was once known.

And you are right without doubt that the recent manipulations of such powers as the church, has played a significant part in further perverting and corrupting that information.

These higher actors/elites know the difference in some cases. And they hide such information for the sake of both preservation and opportunity. In their lower ranks their pawns also play their part but they are not as educated in the realities in which they take part.

And then there are those who strive to secure these ancient truths from being completely eradicated for no reason of greed or opportunity other than allowing for the natural evolution/ascendance of the field of consciousness as it becomes aware of all of this interaction and information.

Believe in your dreams and your visions, and follow your inner voices and counsel, but do so with the understanding of such past corruptions may have influenced your thought processing and your ability to rise beyond it all.

To that I say,

Know Thy True Self, and beware thy manipulated self.

Much is spoken by the enlightened ones about the need to know the lower being/self before one can rise into their higher states.

And many vary in that teaching from going into the depths of the land of the dead and defeating a certain pathway there, to simply confronting one's past lives and coming to terms with issues which may afflict peace and ability to move on.

Each is the same in that cutting free the chains of the past will free one to launch into their future.

But fully understanding this lower being also requires the ability to overcome and conquer the influences of our past which cause us to define lower being in ways that may not be beneficial to truly understanding it. And as you noted, there are many influences who would establish methods that would inhibit our ability to reach such opportunity, and effectively use our own imaginations and memories as tools against us.

In essence, to conquer them, we must first conquer our self. And as I have declared many times over, that true self is NOT what we think it is.

"Know Thy True Self, and beware thy manipulated self."


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[Tenet Nosce]

Yet, in order to comprehend what is meant by such revelation, one must know what higher and lower being actually is.

I would say that the lower being is the animal self- our biological consciousness- and the higher self is our spiritual consciousness. But this is an oversimplification. There are many levels of "self"... "self" within "self", etc.

With regard to these hellish aspects, do you suppose that the horrors are merely deeply seated thoughts imposed on us from traditional and worldly influences that are so ingrained into our thought processing that even when we have these 'spiritual experiences', they are also afflicted with the images and fears of many influential invasions of our psyche?

The impression I was given is that these "horrors" are, indeed, mostly denied thought-forms made by humanity. But there are some real entities as well. These are the guardians.

It is as if a man lived alone in the forest with two guard dogs trained to attack anybody who comes near the house, unless they issue a specific command known only to the owner.

One day, the man goes deep out into the forest and becomes lost. He cannot find his way back, and so spends many years wandering in the forest until even his own identity is lost to himself.

After many years, the man stumbles upon his old home. Except he doesn't recognize it. The guard dogs run out to attack him, and the man is given a good fright, running away.

For some time, the man contemplates how to get into that house- for he is weary and in need of shelter. He tries everything he can think of, but nothing will placate the guard dogs. They are vicious, and relentless.

Exhausted, the man flops down in a small meadow and stares up to the sky, silently calling inward for assistance. Suddenly, he remembers! He is the owner of those guard dogs! And it is he who programmed them to attack anybody who did not issue the proper command while approaching the house.

Elated- he runs back toward the house. The dogs come running, hungry and snarling and with foam dripping from their fangs. The man- recognizing his lost identity- issues the command. The dogs- vicious as they were a moment ago, now lie down and let the man pass, in recognition of their master once again.

They even allow him to scratch their bellies as he passes.

In essence, to conquer them, we must first conquer our self. And as I have declared many times over, that true self is NOT what we think it is.

"Know Thy True Self, and beware thy manipulated self."

Rather than to beware and conquer it- why not accept it?

[Cyan]

If you want a view of what I imagine hell to be like. Watch and more importantly, listen to the movie what dreams may come.

[AnthroHeart]

Like a veiled 4D negative.

[Cyan]

Like a veiled 4D negative.

If this is directed at me, then i am confused as to the meaning.

[AnthroHeart]

It's the view of hell from What Dreams May Come.

[Shin'Ar]

Yet, in order to comprehend what is meant by such revelation, one must know what higher and lower being actually is.

I would say that the lower being is the animal self- our biological consciousness- and the higher self is our spiritual consciousness. But this is an oversimplification. There are many levels of "self"... "self" within "self", etc.

There are many levels of self conceived 'self' devised from our experiences, but there is only one true Self. And it is not any of the individual fragmented experiences as identities, nor you, or I.

I fear that the old adage often used, 'I am that I am', has often been misinterpreted to suggest a reference to the 'I' which each fragment thinks they are, when in fact the adage refers to the state of being, and a paraphrase of it might be more understandable if said this way, 'I am, because I exist.' It does not refer to particular identity of 'I', it simply refers to the state of conscious awareness.

I know this is difficult for most to grasp, and that is a natural process. And when I speak of our existence as a process rather than an identity, it seems impossible for those who still think in terms of 'I' to let go of that impression and try to relate to that which I am saying here.

Our identity is what we believe connects us to consciousness, and we hold it dearly within us as though it is our very existence. And even as we begin to realize the dynamics of The One and The All, we still refuse to let go of that identity and begin to see ourselves as God in order to fit into the new enlightened way of understanding with we are slowly becoming acquainted.

In our minds it is always about 'I'. Who and what we think we are based upon this fragmented experience of being the fragment of the whole.

We cannot separate ourselves, self, from it. The fragmentation is the result of a duality established by The One and set in a Divine Design which cannot be breached.

And even when we begin to ascend into higher understanding of our possible connections to The All and The One, (at least in this density, state of being, degree of evolved understanding, vibration), we still cannot manage to breach the gap between The One and The Other.

No matter how hard we try, we shall not reach into that mirror and touch that other 'I'. Divine Design denies it.

Tenet, much of our lower being will involve experience as animals. But not accurately defined as 'animal self' in a sense that there is some difference between biological consciousness and spiritual consciousness, or that our biological consciousness is somehow related directly to some animalistitic nature of lower being.

Our field of consciousness is one all encompassing aspect of our fragmentational experience from the first second of its fragmentation from The One till this present time.

And that will include our experiences as many various forms of creation which carried our field within them. My lower being, or lower state of being may have been some grain of salt on a distant planet. Maybe a tree in the age of the dinosaur that lived for a thousand years before being toppled by a giant storm.

The Ancient Ones believe that incarnation into animal form would actually be much further into the evolution process to actually be considered lower state of being. Many animal and plant life was considered higher being to many of The Ancients who recognized that many more evolved fields would return as such for individual reasons according to Divine protocols.

Lower being is in no way related to our animalistic biology or the biological processes of the brain.

The brain is just another one of our many organs which functions the way it was designed to function and the data and memory which it stores in any given incarnate form is directly related to the health and experience of that one incarnation. It has nothing at all to do with consciousness. So you are right to note that there is a separation between the brain and the consciousness in that regard, but inaccurate in your thinking that the brain is some lower aspect of that consciousness.

If a being of highly evolved status was somehow reincarnated into the form of a primitive human, it would be working with a brain that functioned exactly as yours or mine does, more or less given its state of health. But it would also be working with a field of consciousness which is vastly more evolved than most of the primitives with which it lived its life in that form.

Its higher being is not related to state of intelligence nor brain function, and its lower being is not related to its primitive incarnation nor brain function.

Both its higher and lower being is directly related to the degree of its evolution, the evolved status of its evolving field of consciousness. The higher being what it has already achieved, not restricted to the state of being of this incarnation, or any other previous one, but to how ever long it has been in existence as a fragment of The One. Higher Being is simply the evolved state of being of our fragmented field of consciousness.

Lower being therefore is simply the opposite of that; states where our field of consciousness was lower.

It could be said that our last incarnation would be a lower being.

It could be said that our next incarnation would be our higher being.

Both would be accurate.

But in general, with regard to understanding state of being and ascension, and the Process of Being, when we speak of understanding lower being, it means that we 'realize and understand the Divine Process of As Above, So Below'.

Knowing one's lower being simply means that one realizes that they are a process in action and as there is a procession into higher there was also a lower that was left behind in that process, and what was left behind was the process and tool which was used to proceed into the higher, and applying that memory and experience as it becomes afforded to us, it becomes an invaluable tool into further procession.

In short, the real only difference between higher and lower being is memory of past experience. memory that may not seem attainable through brain function and storage, but is divinely attainable through that field of consciousness which we truly are. We may not always understand or realize how and when that memory makes itself available, but it is there just as sure as the Great Heron migrates on invisible pathways to places it has never before been.

The fear which causes man to see lower being as some hell filled with demons is simply man's fear of what he really might be. Our imaginations give form to our deepest fears. And what horrifying form would manifest as the fear of abandoning one's identity?

With regard to these hellish aspects, do you suppose that the horrors are merely deeply seated thoughts imposed on us from traditional and worldly influences that are so ingrained into our thought processing that even when we have these 'spiritual experiences', they are also afflicted with the images and fears of many influential invasions of our psyche?

The impression I was given is that these "horrors" are, indeed, mostly denied thought-forms made by humanity. But there are some real entities as well. These are the guardians.

It is as if a man lived alone in the forest with two guard dogs trained to attack anybody who comes near the house, unless they issue a specific command known only to the owner.

What synchronicity that you use the metaphor of hounds with regard to the Mystery of Self.

"Aye, know ye man,
that the Soul who dares the Barrier
may be held in bondage
by the HOUNDS from beyond time,
held till this cycle is completed
and left behind
when the consciousness leaves.

Entered I my body.
Created the circles that know not angles,
created the form
that from my form was formed.
Made my body into a circle
and lost the pursuers in the circles of time.
But, even yet, when free from my body,
cautious ever must I be
not to move through angles,
else my soul may never be free.

Strange and terrible
are the HOUNDS of the Barrier.
Follow they consciousness to the limits of space.
Think not to escape by entering your body,
for follow they fast the Soul through angles.
Only the circle will give ye protection,
save from the claws
of the DWELLERS IN ANGLES.


Tenet, above is a portion of the Key of Wisdom from the Emerald Tablets which you know to be dear to my field.

It is nothing less than profound that you chose to relate the discovery of one's key to returning to the comfort and safety of self, as being a secret word or command that would call off the hounds. Because according to Thoth, it is these Keys of Mystery, (which is exactly what the Emerald Tablets actually are), and the ability and understanding to unlock and decode their secret, which also unlock one's ability to ascend into Higher Being.

If you read this portion above you sill see clearly that Thoth speaks of circles and angles. And that when one 'dares the barrier' they enter into the angles. And become exposed to the danger of the hounds which protect the barrier.

In your analogy that barrier was the forgetting of the secret command word, or the forgetting of identity, or inability to recall past life.

In Thoth's analogy that Barrier is The Mystery of the Infinite Process of Being /existence; the ends of space, the end to amnesia of NOT recalling true/original self, or the possibility of becoming The Source.

Any who dare to breach that barrier expose themselves to the protectors of it which shall chase them through the angles and back into the circle. Notice how Thoth says that the hounds will follow the consciousness to the limits of space thereby directly correlating the limitations of space to consciousness itself.

In Thoth's analogy of his experience traveling through space time, he refers to The Circle as the one place where man can escape from the hounds. This is the Circle of Divine Design, The Flower of Life, the whole established by the Sacred Eye process of infinite computation. The Process of Being One and Fragment together.

To leave that Circle,( the yard of your analogy), to try to be The One alone, unfragmented, takes one into the angles, a place which defies the design of the circle, the opposite of the circle, where there is no continuation of familiarity or re-occurrence. Void of memory of past experience. The not yet created. The Mystery. And such is guarded by the Hounds of the Barrier preventing consciousness from entering and desecrating Divine Design.

To enter into a state of being where one attempts to know The Mystery, one leaves The Circle/Flower of Life, breaching the Divine Design, and is immediately driven back and pursued by the Hounds.


The difference between your hounds, and the hounds in Thoth's analogy, is that yours are guarding your property, where those are guarding Divine Design. And as such, your idea of recalling a secret command that will call them off, becomes its angular opposite, where that recollection/command of true self/godhead/omniscience becomes the very whistle that calls forth the hounds which will drive you back into the state of unknowing and Mystery once again, rather than welcoming you back into your home.

In essence, to conquer them, we must first conquer our self. And as I have declared many times over, that true self is NOT what we think it is.

"Know Thy True Self, and beware thy manipulated self."

Rather than to beware and conquer it- why not accept it?

Because, as I stated above, that is a manipulation and as such is not reality. Why would one choose to accept an identity which they knew to be a manipulation of their true reality?

This is to fall prey to those who say 'Know Thy Self', and manipulate it to mean that one's self is God.

The reality is that what it really means is to know that one's true self is not the identity that they have assumed in any one incarnation. And that 'self' involves much more than the identity of fragmentation or any of its many forms and identities.

But to go too far, and try to actually comprehend that true self in such a way that you attempt to deny Divine Design, by trying to capture The Mystery and make it be still, one only subjects their fragmented experience to the Hounds of The Barrier, (or whatever Force one would like to envision that as), and will only realize that such force and energy will most certainly stop them cold in their attempt and drive them back into The Process of Being, the Circle.

It is no coincidence that The Ancients held the Circle in such reverence my friend.

And no surprise that so many have corrupted their message.

But the reality is, that until one acknowledges that, what they 'assume' to be their identity is simply an ongoing process, or state of being which far exceeds any one temporary aspect of that field of consciousness,

and also acknowledges the limitation of the Barrier of Divine Design, which cannot be breached by their attempt to assume the identity of Creator, and some ability to end that process by assuming knowledge of future creation,

one will not know their true self as a process of being rather than an identity.

Know Thyself means to know that you are not an identity, but that you are a continuing, infinite process of being.

Self is NOT an identity. Self is a Process of Being; an ongoing, continuing, infinite process of The One Consciousness which experiences it.

And the fear of such knowledge is what the elites use against us for their greedy purposes, and also our own fear of abandoning what we believe to be our true self, whether we think that to be as God or as this present incarnation we now have as Shin'Ar or Tenet Nosche.

Hell is both identity and Mystery simply because, by Divine Decree and design, Mystery cannot be identified.

[darklight]

This is probably what you are quoting.

11.12 Questioner: Where are these three entities now?

Ra: I am Ra. These entities are in the dimension known to you as fourth. Therefore the space/time continua are not compatible. An approximation of the space/time locus of each would net no actual understanding. Each chose a fourth-density planet which was dedicated to the pursuit of the understanding of the Law of One through service to self, one in what you know as the Orion group, one in what you know as Cassiopeia, one in what you know as Southern Cross; however, these loci are not satisfactory. We do not have vocabulary for the geometric calculations necessary for transfer of this understanding to you.

All this means is that the information given by Ra regarding the location in space of this entity is not satisfactory. In the sense that they are in 4d space and we are in 3d space and so we cannot really understand where this location is with our 3d mind.

That is right in the context, but I believe Ra speaks also out of the context. It can also means that 4th density negative continue in an disintegration process of their social memory complex.