*trigger* beware need advice

[Monica]

Forgiving involves an understanding of your grandfather's twisted mind illness.

I think understanding is helpful, but not necessary for forgiveness. We don't always understand. Many don't have the tools to understand. But we can accept, even if we don't understand. It might even be more powerful to accept (which leads to forgiveness) despite not understanding. It's easier to forgive an abusive grandfather when we learn that he was abused too as a child. Not so easy if we are missing that bit of information.

To accept without understanding, we have to make a conscious choice to accept that which we abhor, find reprehensible, and cannot understand. We choose to accept that the person got that way somehow that might never be revealed to us, and choose to forgive them anyway.

Charming sociopaths never really give a damn about others feelings. They need a way to express hostility through domination, and abusing a child would be a release.

Lying is very easy for them, while shame or embarrassment may be impossible.

Very true! I learned this the hard way. This person was very, very charming. She had us all fooled. What stunned me the most was the ease with which she could lie, complete with tears and elaborate embellishments.

It was a very valuable lesson, and I thank her for that. She unwittingly offered a service.

In their universe they are powerful and always right, but perhaps somewhere in that twisted mind, is an unrecognized spark that maybe their universe isn't true

They might not allow themselves to recognize that spark until 4D, 5D, or even early 6D. If they have truly chosen the STS path, the further they traverse that path, the most deeply the spark will be buried, until they finally realize they cannot go any farther on that path and make the switch.

and this would create rage and fury. A child victim would release such tension. And there would be zero thought or concern for the human heart devastation they leave behind.

Yes, quite likely. And, sociopaths tend to scoff at any gestures of kindness. Remember that extending love to an STS entity is the equivalent of an STS entity extending hatred to an STO. Just as we reject the service of an STS, so too do they reject our STO service.

However, that only applies to the STS polarized entity. My guess is that a true sociopath is more likely to be polarized STS. It seems logical to me that the definition of sociopath fits the definition of STS: heart chakra blocked, seeks control over others, cares only for self, etc.

But, many abusers, as well as murderers, rapists, etc., haven't necessarily polarized STS. Despite being guilty of heinous crimes which, on the surface, seem to indicate STS polarity, most of them are probably just really messed up and of mixed polarity. It is these tortured souls who DO respond to love, kindness and compassion!

The thing is, we just can't tell by looking at someone what their polarity is. Even if we perceive their heart chakra as being blocked, we still don't know what their choice is. Unbeknownst to us, they might have made the choice to unblock it, and are looking for someone to help them.

Therefore, I think the response should always be love and service, BUT with boundaries! We can forgive from a distance! We can offer love to them, but NOT let them hurt us!

I offered love and kindness to the little sociopath I encountered recently. She rejected it. Her choice was quite clear, so as soon as I realized that, I accepted her choice and backed off. To continue to offer love when it is clearly not wanted, would be a violation of her free will. So the best thing to do in that case is to just wish them well and be on your way, away from them. But if they inflicted hurt, it's important to forgive, if even from a distance. They might not receive it or ever care about it. That is not our concern. We can break the cycle of karma between us and them. If they choose to continue, they'll have to find someone else to engage in that pattern, but it won't be us.

But I did need to forgive and release my mother, and understanding her weaknesses and her needs, helped me get there. It may help you too.

My father was a rageaholic tyrant. He terrorized the whole family. I was the youngest of 10 kids. There was NO joy in that house! It was a dark, creepy place.

When I was 16, my father had open-heart surgery. I saw him in ICU, naked, exposed, weak and vulnerable. When he came home, he was even more of a tyrant, because he was on meds. But I no longer feared him, because I had seen him in his weakened state.

I left home as soon as I could, as did all my sisters. After all the kids were gone, he mellowed a bit, and was a lot nicer to the grandkids (who only came to visit). It's odd now for me to read my niece's facebook posts about missing her grandparents. Very bizarre to see that she actually has pleasant memories of them.

My father had open-heart surgery a 2nd time, a few years later, but this time it killed him. I never shed any tears for him, but was happy to see him go. Over the next few years, I processed what had happened and did a lot of healing work to forgive him. It's been about 25 years since I ever felt any emotional charge about him whatsoever. I've moved on with my life. I only wish my sisters could have done the same, but 3 of them had it worse than I did. They were physically abused as well as emotionally. I was only emotionally abused, though I witnessed the physical abuse inflicted on them, and that alone was very traumatic, to live in fear of that being done to me too.

It never occurred to me to confront him. My older sisters had already done that, to no avail.

My mother was just a doormat for the tyrant. She tried to protect me in my teen years, and I appreciated that. So I never hated her. But neither did I love her, because she was incapable of showing any love. I never got a single hug my entire childhood. So when she died, I didn't feel much. Mostly relief that that chapter of my life was over.

My mother did get an opportunity do process what had happened, and showed remorse for her part in it. But she died in a state of anguish that the 1 daughter who hated her the most refused to reconcile. That was very tragic.

To this day, 2 of my sisters still have extreme hatred towards both our parents.

This is probably why I feel so strongly that, if you have a chance to confront the person, do it! You have no way of knowing how much they might want that opportunity to reconcile. They might refuse your efforts, but at least you did your part. Or, they might embrace your efforts. But you won't know unless you try.

The only thing that still creeps me out is the house. It's been completely restored and looks totally different. I've thought about how I might feel if I ever went inside that house, and shudder at the thought.

Last I heard, no one lives there. It was used as a summer retreat. I wonder if the guests ever see ghosts. There was a lot of pain in that house.

And there is also, always, a soul contract question.

Very true! It's all catalyst. I had a friend involved in a love triangle. In a moment of clarity, she told me she realized that the 3 of them had agree pre-incarnatively to help one another grow spiritually, and she loved them both for that, despite major conflicts with their personalities. I found that very profound!

I am no longer a victim, I am now a survivor. I am no longer terrified, I am now living easier.

Wonderful! Yes, it's important to get out of the victim mentality. Realizing that we took this on, can help. Understanding about catalyst can help.

Forgiving is a wonderful release, and is really an entirely selfish act.

I'd have to disagree with this part. I can see how, if someone 'forgives' only to heal themselves, it could be a selfish act. Though we certainly wouldn't want to judge them for it, since they are doing what they must, to survive and heal.

But, is it really forgiveness, in that case? I think not. I think that, in order to truly break the bonds of karma, there must be acceptance, love, and genuine compassion for the abuser. It is this that would be classified as true forgiveness, from a spiritual perspective, and it is an STO act, which has the fringe benefit of healing the forgiver as well.

I'm a hypnotherapist, and I do Life Between Lives (LBL) work.

That sounds very interesting! I will definitely check out the website. I hope there is a practitioner in my area. Thanks for sharing all this!

[Charles]

Confused said:

Update on my previous post: Hi, just an update on my previous post. I had an open discussion with my mother and apologized clearly for all the mistakes I did. She said she forgives me and asked me only to construct a wall so that the past does not keep hampering and downgrading my present and my future. Now, the task is not to relapse, ever. At times, I feel sad that the abused need to be under the 'mercy' of the abusers, since they are usually more 'powerful' within a given context. In my case, I am going to make sure that I am going to stay firm on my commitment of honoring and respecting my mother, as a way of alleviating my karma over the way I have behaved with her so far. Thanks for opening this thread and discussing such a painful matter. It helps. It really is quite a distance from just talking the talk and walking the walk.

Wonderful good. Delighted that you are now able to see your behaviors as both wrong and correctable. I wish you and your mother well.

But I question this "wall."

When under siege, to protect myself, I constructed a wall of fire around myself. At one point, while ascertaining that my protective fire wall was strong enough, I saw one of my enemies (family, for me this was family), walk into the wall of fire and burn. I was shocked and upset by that.

I doubt that this was a curse, because I thought and felt no such intension. I don't know if this was precognition, because I've no way of contacting any once upon a time "family," to find out.

But I changed my wall of fire into a wall of Light. A wall can constrict you. Fire can harm you. A wall of Light feels perfect, only good may pass, either within or without. Only good.

I strongly suggest replacing this wall with a Light barrier instead. Works best for me. And there is no shortage you know, the Light is infinite.

[Confused]

I did not realize this before. However, now I am convinced from my own abusive behavior to my mother that when a person abuses, they clearly lose the art of living. They forget what it is to feel the beauty of life around them and only want to absorb and see pain, so as to convince themselves that reality is only that, an unending phantasmagoria where the strong abuse the weak. To know and accept beauty and love becomes an exercise in pain and hypocrisy for such a soul, whose heart has closed itself to the tender emotions that make life worth living for the vast majority. Moreover, abusive behavior clearly opens the gate to the dark side, whether one realizes it or not. It is such a stain on the natural state of the soul that the abuser has to keep erecting higher and higher walls of denial and manipulation so as to not let the outside world see through the beastly secrets and morbidness of their heart.

As a person who has abused, when I look back, I can clearly see the pattern that I abused because deep inside me I felt cut off from everything else and everybody else. In other words, I felt alone and undervalued, with no purpose or hope in life. Though the first seeds of my abuse of my mother stemmed directly from the greatly horrible experiences with my father who abused me in the most imaginative of psychological ways (especially in the context and culture of my country), it is only right to now admit and accept that I chose the path without stopping to consciously search, as an adult, for appropriate methods of alleviating my situation. In other words, abusers carry in them, I think, a deep strain of entitlement, which is usually what makes them overtly jealous, possessive and envious, which adds fuel to already latent mentally violent and abusive tendencies. Moreover, I think an abusive person's behavior contains a virulent cry for revenge for some real or imaginary wrong done to them, which renders everyone they meet beyond a point of time as enemies before their now mentally transformed eyes, just because those others have the ability to be happy and to take part in social interactions and smile with natural joy.

I know my abuses were all always driven deeply by self-loathing and fear. Yes, the very fear that opens the portals of darkness. As a person who felt psychologically violated myself and as someone who became prey to unceasing insomnia, I lost all bearing and I turned into a sociopath unable to maintain healthy relationships. Somehow, in my degraded state, I wanted to feel superior to people in any which way possible. I wanted to feel human by raising myself over other humans. When those attempts were constantly thwarted, my anger and fear only exacerbated without me knowing what evil brew was frothing deep inside my subconscious. In a state wherein an abuser comes under the grip of the straitjacket of fear and revenge, I think it is easy from that point to develop a character that is very cold and calculating, somewhat akin to the character of Max Cady in the film Cape Fear (1991). From that point on, I think an abusive mind develops thoughts like only my 'my' agenda and 'my' pain is important and that the world is unfair to me and always out to get me. In short, the mind becomes deeply paranoid, inhabiting a very different space of consensus reality, and the slide to a brute animal like existence is now almost complete. At that point, I guess no amount of love from outside is really helpful, as the abuser gets into a vicious circle of abuse, guilt, resentment and the need to further abuse to maintain some sort of psychological integrity in order to feel what they did all along was only right or justified. Sadly, I know all that and have been through that, myself.

I am sorry, my dear mother and dear One Infinite Creator. I kneel before creation with a heavy heart, a heart stained by fear, helplessness and a sense of deep worthlessness, which fuels negative competitive behavior. I am very sorry, though I know saying sorry is not going to take away the past pain.

Thanks for reading.

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I strongly suggest replacing this wall with a Light barrier instead. Works best for me. And there is no shortage you know, the Light is infinite.

Thanks for that suggestion, Charles. It makes a lot of sense. I agree.

My mother used the term wall as a means of completely forgetting and letting go my guilt and self-loathing for what I have done to her in the past. However, I see what you mean. It makes for perfect sense to draw a circle of light around oneself, something akin to the banishing ritual, in order to prevent hitherto banished negative mental energies from entering the frame once again.

Thanks once again.

[Charles]

Reacting to my calling forgiveness an entirely selfish act, Monica said:

I'd have to disagree with this part. I can see how, if someone 'forgives' only to heal themselves, it could be a selfish act. Though we certainly wouldn't want to judge them for it, since they are doing what they must, to survive and heal.

But, is it really forgiveness, in that case? I think not. I think that, in order to truly break the bonds of karma, there must be acceptance, love, and genuine compassion for the abuser. It is this that would be classified as true forgiveness, from a spiritual perspective, and it is an STO act, which has the fringe benefit of healing the forgiver as well.

I guess I didn't say that well, and I should remove the word "entirely."

For me this quest of forgiving was entirely for me, for my sanity, and for my freedom.

But then this forgiving and understanding, morphed into love. Easily and naturally, the forgiven tyrant is now loved. I talk with That One on her behalf, and I talk with her, to encourage her onto her path of soul growth. I send her light and love, to more easily see that path, she has a very long journey ahead of her.

If this was a soul contract, then she is likely a member of my soul group, and that means that I will see her again.

But I have made it clear, to myself, and to her, and to That One, that I'm (in my current 3D mind) only willing to live a life with her After she has learned simple human decency, and not one moment before. My sanity has to remain my priority.

And it is for the sake of sanity, that I feel that lightworker may be better off without confrontation. And it is for the sake of clarity, that I also must tell her that I don't know what I'm talking about.

[Monica]

As a person who has abused, when I look back, I can clearly see the pattern that I abused because deep inside me I felt cut off from everything else and everybody else. In other words, I felt alone and undervalued, with no purpose or hope in life. Though the first seeds of my abuse of my mother stemmed directly from the greatly horrible experiences with my father who abused me in the most imaginative of psychological ways (especially in the context and culture of my country), it is only right to now admit and accept that I chose the path without stopping to consciously search, as an adult, for appropriate methods of alleviating my situation.

Oh, Confused, I had no idea you had experienced these things!

Thank you for opening up and sharing your struggles and what you have learned. Your courageous sharing may help others who read this!

I don't know what to say, so I will send you extra love!

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And it is for the sake of sanity, that I feel that lightworker may be better off without confrontation.

Maybe so. This thread has offered many different viewpoints, that might help her in making her choice.

And it is for the sake of clarity, that I also must tell her that I don't know what I'm talking about.

None of us really do!

[kycahi]

I say confront, as simply appear before him, rather than with rage and blame. I assume that you haven't had dialogue with him in a long time, so just go and say, "Hi Granddad." After that, don't say much. He may stay quiet out of fear of strong words, but he may try to draw conversation from you to learn of your memories and feelings.

If he does probe a little, keep answers simple, but smile some. If he eventually gets around to asking if you remember things when you were little, say, "Oh yeah, I remember it all right." Now he may change the subject or he may ask if you can forgive him. If so, smile and ask, "Well, do you want me to?" If he says yes, then try to say that you do. If you can't say that, say "I wish!"

You have all the power while he is weak and dying. Is that how he sees it, or is he still attempting to be the strong alpha male? If the latter, and it's clear, then you can just say, "I'll be going now. Good luck."

Your goal while in his company, IMO, is first to assist him with his transition and second to forgive. Later if necessary, keep working on your forgiveness because you will be oh so better for it! Remember that he and you are (The) One.

[Confused]

Thank you very much, Monica

[Ens Entium]

This may have already been said but it could help is to give in to your what your negative emotions are saying.

Then to see your situation (and what you think about that person) in the context of receiving no recognition or appreciation or recompense for your hurt and pain and abandonment, violation, etc.

Of course, before all of this, you need to identify the theme of your feelings in terms of what you feel is happening/being done to you.

Then, the version/condition of yourself that this situation is bringing to you will become clear. The framing that I spoke about above is a way of removing the shoulds/supposed tos/hopes, etc and leaving the violated or hurt self bare.

For me, it came down to insignificance... That insignificance is something to be accepted as some portion or version of myself. It seems I still have some ways to go in accepting insignificant me, and more importantly giving life to it (making it a part of life) I do still have moments when the hurt, disappointment and let down strikes, but the emotion has a different quality to it now, those unfortunate emotions are no longer as bewildering.

And...most importantly, those emotions are no longer associated with the person that hurt me as much anymore. I don't feel that it's a must to address it with that person anymore.

[Monica]

Blessings to lightworker! I hope these ideas helped you in your decision. None of us can know exactly what you are going through, so we will respect and honor your choice. Please take whatever ideas resonate and discard the rest. Whatever you decide, we send you love/light and hope everything works out well for you! Wishing you clarity, peace and healing! Hugs!

[Monica]

When I was 13, I had spent the night at my best friend's house, and her dad took me home the next day. On the drive, while causally talking, he leaned over and touched me inappropriately several times. I didn't know what to do so I just leaned as far as I could against the door. I told my parents and they wouldn't let me spend the night at her house again for a very long time. (They finally did later, with strict warnings about not being around the dad.)

I never told my friend. About a year ago, she and I reconnected after many years of not being in touch. She went on and on about how much she had loved her dad, what an awesome dad he was, and how much she missed him since he died. Of course I was thinking "you didn't know he was a pervert did you" but kept my mouth shut. It would have served no purpose!

I wasn't traumatized by the event at all. It was just weird and creepy to have my friend's dad do that, but he actually didn't do much, so it had no effect on me. So there was never any need to bring it up to her. Although, I think my parents should have done something. But knowledge about pedophilia wasn't as out in the open back then.

This was one of those cases in which confrontation would have been the worst possible thing to do. My friend has only good memories of her dad, and I didn't want to ruin that for her. And I never saw any indication that he ever did any more than that to anyone else.

(She is totally mainstream so there's zero chance she would ever read this forum.)

Even if we do decide to confront the abuser, it's important to remember that they might have changed. My husband's dad abandoned his family when the children were very young. Decades later, my husband's brother did some research and found out the dad had died some years back. He went to visit the grave and saw an engraving about what a great dad this man was. Apparently he had started a new family and they really loved him. Too bad he never had the courage to look up the first set of kids he had tossed aside.

Sometimes people just move on and start fresh, and do better the next time, without ever making amends to those they hurt. It takes courage to make amends. Many lack that courage. But, when confronted, they might welcome the opportunity to face that which they were unable to face on their own.

[Charles]

lightworker, you have a decision to make, and it's your decision.

I (and very likely everyone else here) will support you in your decision, whatever that may be.

But . . . and perhaps this is just an ex-victim speaking . . . I read an awful lot here about you going there to help him, and about his growing and changing for the better, on his own.

His having already done his own healing work is at best a 50 - 50 maybe.

But let's say that those advisers are correct, and that your grandfather does both realize and regret the agony of body and mind he has caused within you . . . . I say, that if that were true, He Would Have Let You Know, And Apologized to you long before now.

It feels just as possible to me, that he may have grown so old, that his penis won't work any longer, and since he no longer has children easily available to torment, he's "changed."

That is Not a change of heart. That is a change of circumstance.

Those advisers who expect you visit him, and to calmly comfort him, have very likely never themselves experienced any helpless terror. Probably the repetition of his assaults have erased your memory of the initial shock, but the First Time Shock of this, does remain as part of your pain.

I read the advice given to you . . . to go to see him without rage or blame, and with a gentle smile, because "your goal is first to assist him, and second to forgive."

Ass backwards if you ask me. First love yourself or you will be unable to love him. And if you don't care for him, You Cannot Help Him. First let go and forgive yourself and him, or you will continue to carry the heavy weight of anger, and self blame, and terror.

Lightworker, you fear an "outward display of hate" and I agree with you. Going there with zero anger, and with a calm smile, BEFORE Doing Your Internal Work, will not help him at all, and may well add to the weight you carry, because uncontrolled hysteria may be stronger than your calm and loving false smile.

It's no good unless it's real.

The likelihood of his denying your claim and ignoring your pain is great. The likelihood of this confrontation clearing or calming things For You is small.

This continuing torment, created by your grandfathers selfish evil, has also very likely injured your self esteem. Your parents doing NOTHING to help you, not even an embrace, no prayer, and no counseling, and no removal of your grandfather from your life . . . very likely reinforced your confused low self esteem.

Loving, Includes Loving Yourself.

Loving and forgiving (IMHO) must begin with yourself. Love Yourself, and do what you feel is Best For You. This is Not STS, this is an emotional and medical necessity.

AFTER you have cleared your mind, and calmed your heart, your STO work will be real, and you have all the time in the world for this.

You can still reach him after he's died, you can talk to him, you can send him Light, and you can forgive him. Or, you may prefer to just lovingly leave him with the Wisdom of his Enlightened Elders and Teachers.

Wish him well, send him Light, and breathe easily while you're at it.

Then, it will be real.

Your internal and balanced resolution of this mess, which he caused, has nothing to do with his soul growth, and everything to do with yours.

He will grow, and he will heal. And maybe in some future lifetime he will help you in some manner. We do all share the same destiny.

Forgiving yourself and him, will ease your pain, and make a helpful confrontation possible. That would include your being able to exercise a wise and wonderful STO. But the fact is, that you haven't the time for this (he is dying now), and now a decision needs to be made.

Accept the fact that this "time" constraint may be a part of your learning and growth. It is forcing you to make a decision, to love yourself Now, or to go do a phony STO that hasn't a chance of working.

[Monica]

Those advisers who expect you visit him, and to calmly comfort him,

I just did a search for the word comfort and found only 1 reference to comforting a dying man. I'm wondering if you might have misread confront as comfort.

I read the advice given to you . . . to go to see him without rage or blame, and with a gentle smile, because "your goal is first to assist him, and second to forgive."

You seem to imply that there was some sort of consensus, but actually that is a single opinion from one person. There has been an assortment of opinions offered.

Going there with zero anger, and with a calm smile, BEFORE Doing Your Internal Work, will not help him at all, and may well add to the weight you carry, because uncontrolled hysteria may be stronger than your calm and loving false smile.

I agree, which is why I suggested s/he do some inner work first, to get to that state of calm and forgiveness, before confronting him. But in all fairness, I don't think anyone suggested that s/he go with a "loving false smile."

The likelihood of his denying your claim and ignoring your pain is great.

Very true!

The likelihood of this confrontation clearing or calming things For You is small.

This really depends on the person. Personally, I like to get things out in the open, and I would much rather face the aggressor in the here and now. And yes, this is coming from someone who was abused. An advantage is that the aggressor is no longer strong and scary. He's a decrepit, weak, frail, dying, probably miserable, old man.

What better time to confront him than now? What better time for the victim to feel empowered, than to see his tormentor weakened?

If the grandfather was still strong, or Lightworker still a child, then I'd agree with you that it might be too traumatizing to attempt a confrontation.

But the abuser is no longer strong. He is weak and dying. Sooner or later, the karma will have to be resolved. Are we not at the end of a major cycle? Is it not Harvest time? My understanding that it is our task to resolve as much of our karma as we can, during this important nexus. If we don't, we will surely have to face it later.

What better time to resolve it, than now, with full awareness that this was all catalyst, and full understanding that forgiveness stops the pattern of karma.

Compassion is necessary to forgive. I contend that it would much easier to get to a state of compassion for a dying old man. It seems to me that a golden opportunity has been offered.

But of course, only Lightworker can decide that. I'm just offering another perspective to your comments.

You can still reach him after he's died, you can talk to him, you can send him Light, and you can forgive him. Or, you may prefer to just lovingly leave him with the Wisdom of his Enlightened Elders and Teachers.

Without going to see him in his weakened state, the grandfather will live on in the victim's mind, in the fullness of his strength and control. He will live on as a monster, and be much harder to forgive.

See him as a frail old man, pathetic and pitiful, and he will be easier to work with.

I lived 18 years in the house of a tyrant. But guess which is the more lasting memory? The memory of an old, dying man, hooked up to needles and hoses, naked, with his private parts exposed, zero dignity, weak, sick, pathetic. And then, the mouth agape as he took his last breath, only to be filled with vomit after the air stopped moving, that I wish I had never seen. I wish I could erase that memory. But it was worth it, because I realized he could no longer hurt me.

I'm glad I saw him like that. It helped me to no longer fear him. It helped me to forgive him and have compassion for him. The raging monster had been reduced to scared, pathetic creature.

-------->> Darkness

[Charles]

Monica said,

I'm glad I saw him like that. It helped me to no longer fear him. It helped me to forgive him and have compassion for him. The raging monster had been reduced to scared, pathetic creature.

Yes, well said, I see your point.

Only lightworker knows what is best to do now.

[LastBreath]

I'm not going to type out a books length argument in support or against confronting him, instead I'll make it short and simple, I'd do it if I were in your position.

[Cyan]

I'll be unusually human and re-iterate my point.

Ignore these people, that talk of people like us, who go through what you and i go through, in the third person, and comfort a dying man on his death bed, and if you really want to see how cured you are, try to cry with him about all the times his weakness robbed from the both of you.

Then, if possible, cry a little.

I'll switch back to student mode now.

[Plenum]

advice is always great because we don't have to be the ones to do it

[Cyan]

advice is always great because we don't have to be the ones to do it

Advice is always great. Period.

Mostly because it gives the illusion of manyness

Add-Vice. Get it. Get it! HAHAHa i crack myself up. Okay, moving onto the serious business again.

[Oceania]

funny, cyan

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there's no forgiving other without forgiving self... it's the same thing in the end

[reeay]

Oceania you keep posting on 11:11 (my time) lol

Just when it was 11/11 at 11:11am for moi.


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Advice... is that really projection? Seeing the problem from my eyes and my bias/world view, then giving matching dictates on what should be done? Not really coming from where the person who asked for help comes from?

[Oceania]

lol it's 11.11 today

[Patrick]

You are perceptive.