4 months to go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[GentleReckoning]

...and no, that's not a question of semantics.

Meaning that this information you provided is absolute ? Or is it that it's absolutely clear to you?

First, one can simply bother to look at the material. It's mentioned numerous times.
Also, why do you think the realms are referred to as densities? Sometimes you have to question nonsense.

You can have density of energy vs density of mass. Think of the progression of the densities:

You have 1d rock, inanimate material. Dense.
Next you have 2d plants, simple animals, and microbes. Less Dense
For 3d you largely have Humans, and some water animals. Possibly less dense overall.
4d moves from a chemical body to an electrical guided body. Very likely less dense as far as mass goes than 4d was.

It would seem to me that as you increase in density you decrease mass, and increase love/light.

[reeay]

Personal experience: when I meditate about this time period and the shift, I am quickly drawn to a space/place of gratitude for this opportunity and sense of contentment/joy of doing the work I'm here to do. The questions of 'where am I going,' or 'what will happen' seems not important anymore. That's not to say tho, that it's unimportant for everybody. I don't believe that. But I will keep my appointments and plans for 2012 and beyond :p.

[Patrick]

...I will keep my appointments and plans for 2012 and beyond :p.

I registered my son for school in 2013 and we are going to see Disney World in summer 2013. But maybe after 2012 we won't need the concept of money to do these things?

[reeay]

Well instead of bungee jumping I was hoping for free fall from space lol
And spaceships instead of airplanes

[Patrick]

What would be cool is if in December the Guardians simply remove the quarantine around this planet.

I believe this would precipitate all other changes that we expect would come with harvest.

[zenmaster]

I'm planning on staying away from super nit-picky posts attempting to argue a small detail.

And cling to posts which reinforce your prejudices, of course.

[Parsons]

"The word prejudice (or foredeeming) is most often used to refer to preconceived, usually unfavorable, judgments toward people or a person because of gender, social class, age, disability, religion, sexuality, race/ethnicity, language, nationality or other personal characteristics. It can also refer to unfounded beliefs and may include any unreasonable attitude that is unusually resistant to rational influence."

You are misusing the word, in an (ironically) prejudiced manner. My views and beliefs are all based on rational thought, which, to be fair, is a huge crutch/stumbling block in the way of anyone who wants to evolve spiritually(such as myself). Also, the statement you made could just as easily apply to anyone who resonates with any part of the Ra material or any channeled material. With that same attitude, you could easily hypothetically say "you only believe in that spirituality channel new age nonsense because they say what you want to hear".

Look, the quote you originally posted about was a single small portion of a post that was meant purely to help reenforce the beliefs of the people who are ALREADY believers of an abrupt (or at least believe in the opening of the gateway to intelligent infinity) ascension/shift/harvest/ to 4D for those ready to graduate, and not at all to convince anyone who believes otherwise. My belief is both schools of thought are going to be correct, just to be clear.

I feel it appropriate due to the context of this thread here on bring4th orignally intended to express another members post stating their shock/excitement that there was only 4 months left(at the time) to express my deepest desire out of all the traits of 4D: pure, verifiable honesty(due to telepathy). This is so you will all understand how much I desire to express my love for you all, even you zenmaster. I know I may sound cynical sometimes, but this is partially due to my difficulty with expressing myself in a social situation and I wish you could literally feel the love I have for you all for whichever path you choose.

[zenmaster]

"The word prejudice (or foredeeming) is most often used to refer to preconceived, usually unfavorable, judgments toward people or a person because of gender, social class, age, disability, religion, sexuality, race/ethnicity, language, nationality or other personal characteristics. It can also refer to unfounded beliefs and may include any unreasonable attitude that is unusually resistant to rational influence."

You are misusing the word, in an (ironically) prejudiced manner.

Prejudice, merely as in preconceived notions (of course), as opposed to the negatively perceived one (which is ironically, prejudiced - as expected). Let me check Webster. Yep, definition fits perfectly.

[reeay]

So why is it abrupt or/vs. gradual?

Are there only 2 options to select from?

How does one option get foreclosed for the other?

[Conifer16]

It is probably both to different degrees. I think some sort of "abrupt" consciousness thing happens. then a gradual physical change. The consciousness thing may or may not be totally noticeable.

IMO

[Patrick]

I think some would prefer it to be abrupt, because they are tired of 3d. But I think changes in our way of life could be abrupt while the harvest itself a gradual process.

[Conifer16]

but i am totally getting to celebrate my 18th year in february and will be greeting merry christmas/yule to people :-)

[zenmaster]

...and no, that's not a question of semantics.

Meaning that this information you provided is absolute ? Or is it that it's absolutely clear to you?

First, one can simply bother to look at the material. It's mentioned numerous times.
Also, why do you think the realms are referred to as densities? Sometimes you have to question nonsense.

You can have density of energy vs density of mass. Think of the progression of the densities:

You have 1d rock, inanimate material. Dense.
Next you have 2d plants, simple animals, and microbes. Less Dense
For 3d you largely have Humans, and some water animals. Possibly less dense overall.
4d moves from a chemical body to an electrical guided body. Very likely less dense as far as mass goes than 4d was.

It would seem to me that as you increase in density you decrease mass, and increase love/light.

No, actually you are confusing what is more subtle with was is more dense. Remember the more dense, the less distorted and therefore the less overt.

[byodoinpilgrim]

This is not a reply to any of the above. I was looking for the most relevant forum to place this. I wanted to let the group know that Dean from Memphis (visited Homecoming 2012) has started an eight part lecture series on The Shift. It's a local lecture here in Memphis, but we are filming it and placing it on Youtube. Dean is actively channeling new Ra material through his Higher Self, and there will be a lot of good information to help prepare for December 21 and the transition to 4th Density. He will also discuss the Singularity Event. This first lecture contained a lot of review, but that will change as he goes along.

His youtube channel is called "DeanHalf." The first installment is below.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU4BnHTujZw&feature=plcp

[AnthroHeart]

I've lost faith in anything extraordinary happening Dec. 21.

[oneloveonebeing]

I've lost faith in anything extraordinary happening Dec. 21.

why?

[AnthroHeart]

Because nothing is happening leading up to that date.
I tend to think that reality is somewhere between purely physical and scientific, and the Ra material. They are both extreme ends of the spectrum, and reality is somewhere in the middle.

[oneloveonebeing]

Because nothing is happening leading up to that date.
I tend to think that reality is somewhere between purely physical and scientific, and the Ra material. They are both extreme ends of the spectrum, and reality is somewhere in the middle.

have you not experienced anything within yourself?
i have, perhaps you do not wish to discuss them?

definitely a projection there

[Patrick]

I've lost faith in anything extraordinary happening Dec. 21.

I second this. But of course it all depends on what is considered to be extraordinary.

[hogey11]

I am prepared for nothing to 'happen' on December 21st, but I also know that often in my life whatever I am 'waiting for' doesn't manifest until I let go of it and stop expecting a certain reality to come forward. I think intention is so very important, but not forceful intention. I don't think forceful intention works unless you an adept. That being said, I don't think it's impossible for something amazing still to happen. I will be more definite if we're still in very quiet waters come mid-december, but there is still a LOT of time for a lot of things to happen. The disclosure fronts are starting to warm up. There have been a tonne of reports of UFO sightings between India/China the last week, and David Wilcock seems to be starting to beat that drum as well (not that we should fall for all that David promotes). Another habitable exoplanet was announced by NASA today again. All I can be sure of is that we'll receive exactly what we need to.

[Parsons]

Disclosure and an abrupt harvest are totally different concepts. Disclosure, as it is commonly used here, would be for all 3D inhabitants on this planet. Abrupt harvest/ascension for those ready for 4D would of course entail the unveiling of the forgetting and include memories of all our galactic brothers and sisters plus more direct contact with them.

[reeay]

I've been seeing a lot of UFOs these past 2 months now (almost 3). Considering this entire island is like a 'military base,' I first thought they were military crafts or shooting stars (shooting stars don't slow down and make a wide loop do they?)... who knows. They appear for a brief time in about the same location and disappear quickly.

[xise]

Ever since November 5, most nights I have woken up thinking I'm in the middle of an earthquake (here in southern california)...my body is vibrating all over. I look it up the next morning and ask my roommies...no earthquake...

I've been feeling strong energy in the energy centers in my chest the past few nights...right now as well actually. Feels around my solar plexus at the moment. I also feel like cords of rubberbands of energy being released in my heart the past few days...

I don't know if it's related to the ambient energy, or mediation work I've been doing, or the indigo biofeedback machine I started using in the past three weeks, or a combination.

[Parsons]

It's funny how many of us exhibit the same behavior at the same time. I feel as though I have broken new ground in meditation, chakra balancing, and intercepting new energies. The last two hours of work on Wednesday was dedicated to meditation/throat friction.

My friend who is capable of adept/magical work noticed me meditating a lot and asked what I was meditating about. I said "nothing" as I know that is the most effective means to reach the Creator but he was confused by 'nothing' and told me to make it rain. I decided to parley his request into meditating on it raining in the next 1-3 days. I checked the forecast and only 10% chance for Fri/Sat. The next day(today, Thursday), it rained. =O)

[Confused]

I've been seeing a lot of UFOs these past 2 months now (almost 3). Considering this entire island is like a 'military base,' I first thought they were military crafts or shooting stars (shooting stars don't slow down and make a wide loop do they?)... who knows. They appear for a brief time in about the same location and disappear quickly.

rie, recently, there has been a lot of activity reported on India's border with China, in terms of UFOs, similar to what you have said.

On India-China border, reports of UFOs skyrocket

Over 100 UFOs seen along China border

May be 'they' are here to oversee the Harvest!

17.22 Questioner: In our culture there is a saying that he will return. Can you tell me if this is planned?

Ra: I am Ra. I will attempt to sort out this question. It is difficult. This entity became aware that it was not an entity of itself but operated as a messenger of the One Creator whom this entity saw as love. This entity was aware that this cycle was in its last portion and spoke to the effect that those of its consciousness would return at the harvest.

The particular mind/body/spirit complex you call Jesus is, as what you would call an entity, not to return except as a member of the Confederation occasionally speaking through a channel. However, there are others of the identical congruency of consciousness that will welcome those to the fourth density. This is the meaning of the returning

Of course, I am speculating. I still live the normal worldly secular life as most of the world does, in terms of job, planning for the future prudently, etc. Do not want to end up a fool because of wild mental speculations and vague personal assumptions! :p

[vilst3r]

Man it's been feels so quick this year, only like one month to go. For me, I've received frequent synchronocities every day, especially checking the time at the right moment. I never had synchronocities last year, but this year I guess it's going to get very interesting as we get closer to the prophetic date.

[AnthroHeart]

Because nothing is happening leading up to that date.
I tend to think that reality is somewhere between purely physical and scientific, and the Ra material. They are both extreme ends of the spectrum, and reality is somewhere in the middle.

have you not experienced anything within yourself?
i have, perhaps you do not wish to discuss them?

definitely a projection there

I have had experiences, though they have been nothing but trouble. I once tried to feel the love of Creator in my heart, and that ended up causing me major problems and landed me in a mental health facility. Any time I've had assumptions about the experiences I went through, they've been wrong.

I don't feel I am harvestable anyway, so hold no regard for that date. As long as I don't end up an anthro on some other 3D world I'll be fine.

[Patrick]

Ever since November 5, most nights I have woken up thinking I'm in the middle of an earthquake (here in southern california)...my body is vibrating all over. I look it up the next morning and ask my roommies...no earthquake...

I've been feeling strong energy in the energy centers in my chest the past few nights...right now as well actually. Feels around my solar plexus at the moment. I also feel like cords of rubberbands of energy being released in my heart the past few days...

I don't know if it's related to the ambient energy, or mediation work I've been doing, or the indigo biofeedback machine I started using in the past three weeks, or a combination.

My girlfriend told me I was quaking the other night, but I did not feel anything.

[Confused]

I don't feel I am harvestable anyway...

GW, you may still end up surprising yourself in terms of evolving towards harvestability in this lifetime

54.24 Questioner: The purpose then, of what we call the incarnate physical state, seems to be wholly or almost wholly that of experiencing the programmed catalyst and then evolving as a function of that catalyst. Is that correct?

Ra: I am Ra. We shall restate for clarity. The purpose of incarnative existence is evolution of mind, body, and spirit. In order to do this it is not strictly necessary to have catalyst. However, without catalyst the desire to evolve and the faith in the process do not normally manifest and thus evolution occurs not. Therefore, catalyst is programmed and the program is designed for the mind/body/spirit complex for its unique requirements. Thus it is desirable that a mind/body/spirit complex be aware of and hearken to the voice of its experiential catalyst, gleaning from it that which it incarnated to glean.

[reeay]

May be 'they' are here to oversee the Harvest!

They might be showing us their presence, think they've been for a long time now... more intensely these past 5-10 years? Although, depending upon a person's point in development this could be seen as a threat or perhaps something more positive.

I said I wanted to see one last night and lo-and-behold this ball of light swooshed down from above me, surprisingly closer to ground level... turned out to be a meteor or space junk that went down towards the ocean lol :p darn.

If they do come, they must be of 3D of higher sub-densities? Unless the are very early 4D still visible to us?

lol had a dream yesterday I was holding my doe-eyed alien baby in my arms... was pretty fantastic. Alien theme haha.

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I don't know if it's related to the ambient energy, or mediation work I've been doing, or the indigo biofeedback machine I started using in the past three weeks, or a combination.

Is the indigo biofeedback machine like the energy resonance blue box? Or do you have something that's used for pain treatment?