4 months to go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[zenmaster]

Yes, that's why it was an appealing image to use.

[GentleReckoning]

It looks like psychotherapists are going to make a fortune in 2013 with lightworkers.

Just kidding, but this forum will be very helpful to go through this period. We can help each others.

No way, it's simply just superb catalyst!

[reeay]

Inner and outer change & freedom

[Parsons]

From our point of view, we would say that ascension in general means to the population of those not Christian, perhaps not on a particular religious path at all, the event tied in with the date of the Winter Solstice of 2012, or whenever a particular seeker considers that third density is over and the next density or Age of man has begun.

Now, what virtue is there in considering how to ascend while in the body? My friends, in terms of activity within the body, we do not find that this is a helpful concept for all people. The reason that we say this is that each of you won his or her way into the earth plane [at the time of] the harvest. Many there are who wished to have incarnations upon Planet Earth at this time, either to help raise the consciousness of Planet Earth with their love, or to do the work of third density in achieving a satisfactory balance between love and wisdom, love and power, or wisdom and power.

Consequently, having won your way into the physical, we find there is wisdom in choosing to stay with the incarnation until you have learned all you can and served all you are able and are truly ready to let go of third density and all of its gifts and challenges.

However, the one known as Y noted that the kind of ascension that she has seen discussed in the book The Masters of the Far East seems to be a lot like living in fourth density, and we find that the heart of the question concerning ascension while in the physical body is keyed to this realization.
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Your creation is made up of the way you choose to think about things, the way you choose to observe and perceive things. The striving of humanity in third density is to move beyond the limits of normal perception and open the doors to all that there is. Consequently, if you wish to ascend within the body, that is, the physical body, you shall wish to let your intuition bring to you the activities and the thoughts that will help you to achieve that. Consciousness, awareness, perception, is malleable and easily influenced by many things.

[Monica]

Good find, Parsons!

[Tenet Nosce]

Just my own bias I suppose, but I have a tendency to wanna see what is in the [...]

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0219.aspx

The key to this work is this: the consciousness that you share with all others who are self-aware is one. It is the consciousness of the Creator. It is the consciousness of complete and unconditional love. [It is] not love as known to the poets who speak of romance. [It is] not the love of brother for brother. [It is] not the love that is sentimentalized in valentines tied up with ribbons, gifted with pretty gems. This is a love that creates and destroys. This is a state of aliveness and endless potential.

I'm also reminded of this one:

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0213.aspx

We realize that this is one of the less comfortable or naturally obvious concepts having to do with the concept of densities. It is natural for a person to think that this same Earth upon which your feet make footsteps shall become fourth density and that on this same Earth, fourth density shall take place. However, we would suggest to you that it is much like wanting to take your physical body with you when you pass from physical life upon this planet and hoping to drag what this instrument would call this chemical distillery of a body into fourth density and attempt to lug it around when everyone else is dancing with a much lighter and electrically driven rather than chemically driven body.

[Parsons]

My Q'uo'te says ascend while *in* the body, not literally take the 3D body into full 4D. I agree with Q'uo in your Q'uo'te, it would be silly to take my 3D body with me. I mostly quoted that to establish for those who are waiting to ascend at the end of the master cycle that Q'uo talked about this concept directly at some point.

I also find it facinating that Q'uo displays a clear bias in the above channeling towards living out your full incarnation instead of leaving early at what is commonly referred to as 'the ascension event' or as Ra referred to it "the gateway from intelligent energy to intelligent infinity opens regardless of circumstance on the striking of the hour."

[Tenet Nosce]

My Q'uo'te says ascend while *in* the body, not literally take the 3D body into full 4D.

A most excellent observation! :idea: Sometimes it's the little in-between words that matter most, isn't it?

I also find it facinating that Q'uo displays a clear bias in the above channeling towards living out your full incarnation instead of leaving early at what is commonly referred to as 'the ascension event' or as Ra referred to it "the gateway from intelligent energy to intelligent infinity opens regardless of circumstance on the striking of the hour."

As I find more value in this otherwise seemingly ridiculous state of existence, I have come around to Q'uo's view on this matter.

But let us remember, contact with intelligent infinity does not preclude the living out of one's full incarnation.

Rather, it presents us with "The Choice".

[Patrick]

I believe Q'uo says this because wanting to escape from 3d may not be the most balanced of intention.

[Parsons]

I believe Q'uo says this because wanting to escape from 3d may not be the most balanced of intention.

You are generalizing. It seems to be entirely subjective, just as is the harvest. For example, you may want to live out your entire natural incarnational length in 3D. However, I will mostly likely take the opportunity to leave as I feel I have virtually no more 3D lessons to learn.

[xise]

As 3D is a classroom:

If you're in a hurry to leave because the lessons are too difficult, even if you feel you have a good grasp of the upcoming work of the next grade, you probably could benefit by staying around and really getting the fundamentals in the current class down.

On the other hand, if you're ready to leave, not because things are difficult, but because you've been there done that and nothing really is much of a lesson and you feel you've grasped nearly all of what you can learn, it makes sense that it probably isn't a bad idea to go the next grade.

[Parsons]

I wouldn't say the lessons are 'difficult'; they would be redundant/monotonous in my case. Using the classroom analogy, it wouldn't be like leaving the class slightly early. It would be like leaving the classroom as soon as the bell rung instead of milling about and talking with the teacher and students after class.

[reeay]

I like Bashar's positive connotation of 3D experience ('rubberband' analogy)

[Parsons]

The incredible variety this planet presents in many areas is due to one purpose of this world which decrees that it be a central hub of activity whereby the brainstorming, sharing, refinement and emulation of ideas between countless beings will be effectuated following the period when the quarantine has been removed and cosmic-wide communication may take place freely. The tremendous interest in establishing such a "creativity marketplace" is directly correlated to the conjunction of the faculty of free will and, more significantly, the powerful veil which has held this planet in its grip but swiftly dwindles, and the tremendous exploration of possibility which this has given rise to. The experiences which have been produced upon this planet have resulted in an astonishing learning experience for the rest of Creation. Many, many, many entities have been and continue to be left mesmerized by what has transpired on this planet. Extreme penetration of the veil and elevated operation while still in the human incarnation is considered an amazing feat by those innumerable watching eyes of your cosmic family. Even some of the most evolved of entities have greatly furthered their wisdom simply by observing the happenings of this planet and the extent of the meandering done by entities guided through obscure wilderness by rampant free will.

I can hardly wait...

[Patrick]

I can hardly wait...

Are you throwing a party for the event ?

[Parsons]

If I had people to party with in Phoenix... Then I would party like its 1999. :p

In all seriousness, I doubt we will make it to Dec 21st to throw a party... Anytime between now and December.

[zenmaster]

Anytime between now and December.

For what?

[Parsons]

Read the gw_v questions thread or my views in "Abrupt vs Gradual".

[reeay]

I had plans for 2013... lol

[Parsons]

If you seriously have plans to stay here in 3D, you will absolutely be able to stay in 3D if that is your final decision after the veil lifts while the gateway to intelligent infinity is open for all briefly as the clock strikes the hour.

[Confused]

If you seriously have plans to stay here in 3D, you will absolutely be able to stay in 3D if that is your final decision after the veil lifts while the gateway to intelligent infinity is open for all briefly as the clock strikes the hour.

Coming to think of it, I did not really conceive of it that way, in terms of the clock striking the hour. I usually read that phrase in the LOO in a poetic sense. However, given Ra's avowed commitment for ensuring maximal accuracy as much as possible through the English language while channeling the LOO, the phrase of the clock striking the hour may very well be literal.

You have got me thinking now, Parsons. Do you personally have any window of a time-frame in mind? If you do not want to put the answer in public domain, please consider PMing the response to me. Thank you.

[Parsons]

Anytime between Sep 22nd and Dec 21st (equinox and solstice).

[Confused]

Anytime between Sep 22nd and Dec 21st (equinox and solstice).

What exactly do you think might happen, Parsons? I am very curious to know what your opinion from your research/intuition is. I mean, do you have any idea as to the mechanics and the process of the Harvest?

[Parsons]

Anytime between Sep 22nd and Dec 21st (equinox and solstice).

What exactly do you think might happen, Parsons? I am very curious to know what your opinion from your research/intuition is. I mean, do you have any idea as to the mechanics and the process of the Harvest?

Ra 9.3 This intelligent energy offers a type of clock. The cycles move as precisely as a clock strikes your hour. Thus, the gateway from intelligent energy to intelligent infinity opens regardless of circumstance on the striking of the hour

The moment of the vibrational shift remains set and marked in the approximate moments preceding, during, and following the onset of the winter solstice period of this year. Consciousness will be the primary constituent in the transition which will emulate the termination of physicality as it is currently known in this density of experience. Though the engulfing will be a global affection, the individual perception of the experience will be unique to each observer and coincide with personal expectation and orientation however the "destination" in the general sense will remain the same excluding those who will need to repeat the 3rd Density cycle of experience.

The expiration of the physical vehicle will result in a semi-delayed substitution with the corresponding green-ray vehicle necessary for the maneuvering through the subsequent dimensional spectrum. The first moments of awareness following this existential shift will manifest experientially as the mental acknowledgement of the subsidization of the effects of the veil with the rush of recollection of data stemming from the rejoining of the subconscious and conscious aspects of the mind complex into a whole unit again.

The conjunction of the conscious aspect of the mind complex with the subconscious will result in remembrance of one's nature, prior incarnations and experiences, and most prominently the linking to what is typically considered the collective unconscious or universal mind being essentially a reunion of a portion of the One Infinite Creator to the extent available to the 4th Density spectrum of creation with the conscious mind complex containing temporal identity and existential distortions carried over from the recent incarnation including personality and physical appearance, although elements of the personality and appearance may be drastically modified through use of the mind complex having undergone the recent restoration, reactivation, and rejuvenation of its presently dormant but innate capabilities.

What will happen to our advanced 2D/chemical vehicles after the shift this December? Will we be inhabiting the appropriate density vehicle for 4D consciousness after that? Will these vehicles be upgraded to accommodate? And what will happen to the physical vehicles for the ones that are going to be repeating 3D?

The physical vehicle which the 3D human consciousness currently inhabits will be transmuted into the vessel which is most appropriately equipped to handle the less denser 4D spectrum of experience. You are correct in that it will be an upgrade rather than a new outfitting. For those beings who will be required to remain 3D participants, their physical vehicles will remain largely unmodified or affected as they will continue to be needed to sustain further 3D experience in the new arena which they will reside in.

[zenmaster]

[quote='Parsons' pid='90387' dateline='1341278742']
What will happen to our advanced 2D/chemical vehicles after the shift this December? Will we be inhabiting the appropriate density vehicle for 4D consciousness after that? Will these vehicles be upgraded to accommodate? And what will happen to the physical vehicles for the ones that are going to be repeating 3D?

The physical vehicle which the 3D human consciousness currently inhabits will be transmuted into the vessel which is most appropriately equipped to handle the less denser 4D spectrum of experience.

Sounds like the typical ascension idea, rather than harvest. Problem is that this is a rather long process of successive generations birthing "transitional bodies" which newly enter this realm as 4D. Further, the "4D spectrum of experience" is more dense, not less dense - and no, that's not a question of semantics.

[Patrick]

...and no, that's not a question of semantics.

Meaning that this information you provided is absolute ? Or is it that it's absolutely clear to you?

[Confused]

Thank you very much for replying, Parsons.

[zenmaster]

...and no, that's not a question of semantics.

Meaning that this information you provided is absolute ? Or is it that it's absolutely clear to you?

First, one can simply bother to look at the material. It's mentioned numerous times.
Also, why do you think the realms are referred to as densities? Sometimes you have to question nonsense.

[Patrick]

...
First, one can simply bother to look at the material. It's mentioned numerous times.
Also, why do you think the realms are referred to as densities? Sometimes you have to question nonsense.

All I'm aware of is that everybody sees what they want to see.

I do not disagree with you on your original comment by the way.

[Parsons]

Ugh, looks like my attempts to not derail threads by replying to derailing posts in an appropriate thread won't work since everyone will just dog pile on the original derailing post. Oh well, derail to your hearts content, I give up. In fact, lets start talking about Obama and Romney in this thread! :p

Actually, silliness aside, I'm planning on staying away from super nit-picky posts attempting to argue a small detail. I'll gladly discuss new topics I'm not familiar with or answer direct questions such as Confused...